Guild Wars 2

Doomdesire.9365:

Sharpoon.8197:

Doomdesire.9365:

Why are people acting as if SoR’s NA is “stacked” now? It’s always been like that. Nobody complained about it when BG was winning, nor JQ. It’s more like JQ/BG seems to be getting demoralized + we don’t lose everything overnight. Choo, FEAR, TW have been here from the start. Tysm joined quite a while ago in T1. These complaints are literally coming out of nowhere….

TW was in SoR from day 1?

Since rank 17. It’s not technically the start, but it was the beginning of SoR’s rise to T1. Prior to that, SoR was not a competitive WvW server. I still remember playing against them back in the old days of Sorrow’s Furnace (against SoR and FA).

Not exactly true. TW joined us on SoR when we were already on the rise thanks to a strong NA presense. They joined us when we were in T4 iirc. We were competitive before them; not denying though that they are an asset to SoR.

After 864 rares and 1670 exotics i finally got the precursor.

However, even when i got it there was some irony involved. I decided to leave my current strategy and invest a bunch of gold and bought tons of exotic weapons. Yes, you guessed right, the first try was the precursor. At least i can resell the leftover exotics.

munkiman.3068:

No you are wrong, actually. Even if you could get an exotic for 1g (which you can’t) that’s 1600G. You can’t even craft one for 1g unless you farm all the mats and use BLSKs to salvage every rare you get as a drop, but even then, that’s a lot of kits and tools. At around 2g, which is a steal, you’re talking 3200g.

The only extremely remote possibility would be getting super lucky with the forge and upgrading thousands of masterwork items to rare, then to exotic. I don’t think there’s even enough stock for that, not to mention the fact that you have to get really lucky.

Of course it is easier to assume that i am either dumb or a liar, because that is what your basically implying, instead of taking into consideration that i may be telling the truth.

So, i will continue with my tactic, and you may think about it whatever you wish.

munkiman.3068:

Vol.5241:

Rashka.7304:

At 864 rares (38 exo back) and 1608 exotics, no precursor yet. To quote Obi-Wan: “In my experience, there’s no such thing as luck”.

1608 exotics? ok buddy

Funny, even at the lowest priced exotic, you could have just bought the legendary for that kind of money.

Funny, you are wrong. Like i posted before, my total cost is a lot less than you think they are. They went up though because i extended the borders i am operating in; still under 200g though.

At 864 rares (38 exo back) and 1608 exotics, no precursor yet. To quote Obi-Wan: “In my experience, there’s no such thing as luck”.

Sauzo.6821:

Rashka.7304:

Orangensaft.7139:

Rashka.7304:

Rashka.7304:

Currently i am at 508 rares (19 exo back) and 1408 exotics, no precursor yet.

Up to 624 rares (28 exo back) and 1472 exotics, still no precursor.

both of you spent over 1400 exotics ?

thats like 3000 gold which is like 5-7 precursors depending on which one…

That is naive fallacy because you are not taking everything into account. So far my loss in gold is smaller than the cost of the precursor on TP…

Up to 700 rares (29 exo) and 1476 exotics btw. That was a bad streak of 76 rares and only 1 exo back.

Now imagine of you would have sold all those rares and whatever total exotics you had not counting the ones you got from 4 rares of course. The rares alone at say 30s each is around 200g. You would almost halfway and that’s not even counting the exotics.

Now what if i told you that my total costs so far are under 100g? Doh!

Nachtz.4930:

Rashka.7304:

Orangensaft.7139:

Rashka.7304:

Rashka.7304:

Currently i am at 508 rares (19 exo back) and 1408 exotics, no precursor yet.

Up to 624 rares (28 exo back) and 1472 exotics, still no precursor.

both of you spent over 1400 exotics ?

thats like 3000 gold which is like 5-7 precursors depending on which one…

That is naive fallacy because you are not taking everything into account. So far my loss in gold is smaller than the cost of the precursor on TP…

Up to 700 rares (29 exo) and 1476 exotics btw. That was a bad streak of 76 rares and only 1 exo back.

As far as I have been told, the 4 weapons you have to throw in the Mystic Toilet have to have the same stats between eachothers. At least, that’s the only way it worked for me (already got 3 precursors for less than 80 gold, working on my 4th now). It has not been confirmed by any official statement, but that’s what my experience (and my guildies’) say, I may be wrong though. So in your case, what did you throw in the forge ?

Grats to your luck then.

For exotics, a-a-a-a or a-a-a-b. So much for that theory. Rares i just combined whatever i had.

Orangensaft.7139:

Rashka.7304:

Rashka.7304:

Currently i am at 508 rares (19 exo back) and 1408 exotics, no precursor yet.

Up to 624 rares (28 exo back) and 1472 exotics, still no precursor.

both of you spent over 1400 exotics ?

thats like 3000 gold which is like 5-7 precursors depending on which one…

That is naive fallacy because you are not taking everything into account. So far my loss in gold is smaller than the cost of the precursor on TP…

Up to 700 rares (29 exo) and 1476 exotics btw. That was a bad streak of 76 rares and only 1 exo back.

Rashka.7304:

Currently i am at 508 rares (19 exo back) and 1408 exotics, no precursor yet.

Up to 624 rares (28 exo back) and 1472 exotics, still no precursor.

Currently i am at 508 rares (19 exo back) and 1408 exotics, no precursor yet.

Serum.4067:

Today marks my 1000th attempt at Dusk or Dawn (yes I kept track). That’s 4000 rares and still not one precursor. I’d like to give a Big Bird to the Mystic toilet and the devs that coded it. That is all.

Still “beating” you… 444 rares and 1284 exotics so far, no precursor yet…

Demeron.5423:

40 Extoics Latter still no Dusk

200 Rares Latter still no dusk..

This RNG is kinda bs…

360 rares, 1132 exo, still no precursor. Try to beat that.

Edit: Total of course.

Wesley Of Florin.2150:

So you don’t understand what I meant, apparently. If, in fact, you have thrown in 956 exotics (don’t even care about the rares at this point), that means over the course of these attempts you have acquired about 717 exotics. How much do you think you could have sold those for on the TP?

On a related note, it sounds like you’ve discovered an amazing way to make infinite gold. What’s your secret?

Oh, i did understand. The problem is that you are making assumption about what i did, or not did. And instead of asking yourself what could be wrong with your theory you are accusing me to be a liar, and clueless. So why exactly should i point out to you where the mistake in your train of thoughts is, yes?

Besides, i didn’t reinvent the wheel, just picked up some ideas from this very forum and continued from there. Fortunately i don’t have to proof anything to you, so think what you want.

Charismatic Harm.9683:

(…)
There are currently 3 ways to get a precursor (random world drop, Mystic Forge and Trading Post) with another one slated later (scavenger hunt). If you don’t currently like one of the ways to get a precursor that’s in the game now, then you should wait until the scavenger hunt is released and determine if THAT way suits you better. Who knows how long that will be though.

However, there are only 2 ways for a precursor to enter the world, and that is random drop or MF. Precursors just don’t spawn out of nowhere on the TP.

Wesley Of Florin.2150:

Rashka.7304:

Currently i am at 334 rares and 936 exotics thrown into the MF, zero precursor…

Well I don’t believe these numbers, but I’ll entertain them for a moment. Do you realize that you could have purchased 2-3 (low estimate) precursors if you had sold those items on the TP?

Yes, the 334 rares is a typo; it is 344 rares. Exos are up to 956 thrown into the MF now.

Anyhow, you are completely wrong with your assumption because you don’t know my strategy. My current cost for those tries is under 100g; would have been an even deal if the RNG wasn’t punishing me with Donald Duck sized bad luck.

Atroras.9481:

Rashka.7304:

Guess i am one of those mathematical anomalies. I am at 334 rares and 948 exotics thrown into the MF, so far no precursor…

A very humble estimate of 2g per exotic would easily set u back 500g… I wish u all the luck in getting the precursor, mate.

Thanks, it is the only obstacle left between me and the legendary. Cost in gold involved is a lot less than it seems on first glance though. It is more a question of time, not gold.

The other reason for my endurance is that under no circumstances i am willing to buy the precursor from the TP. From my perception precursor market is controlled and i am not going to support those individuals. I do have the necessary patience to carry on throwing items into the MF until i succeed.

Iures.2894:

Rashka.7304:

Guess i am one of those mathematical anomalies. I am at 334 rares and 948 exotics thrown into the MF, so far no precursor…

Sorry you have to be the outlier in the unlucky direction.

Also, your count for rares is off by 2. >_>

Oh, a typo. I am off by 10. It is 344 rares which yielded 15 exotics, so a bit behind the curve there as well with 17.4%.

Guess i am one of those mathematical anomalies. I am at 334 rares and 948 exotics thrown into the MF, so far no precursor…

Currently i am at 334 rares and 936 exotics thrown into the MF, zero precursor…

Unakrynj.4956:

after a couple of resets, he still cant ’’hit’’ the electric pillar to get properly damaged (have hes ice armor buff removed)

Had the same problem after patch. He just ran through the pillars without getting knocked down.

For optical reasons i switched to other legs on my warrior, just to be surprised by those weird jumping sounds, as if two empty tin cans hit each other.

Tested around a bit with various legs i still had in bank, and they all have different sounds when i am jumping. The legs i am currently using don’t make any sounds at all, hence i never noticed.

That sound really drives me crazy so i switched back to the legs i was using for weeks. Never thought i’d have to pick leg armor not for looks but for sounds. O.o

Nut.4713:

Jubelum.3472:

Those server transfer guilds you’re so fond of mentioning haven’t really been out this week either, I’m a regular in WvW and it’s been a real slow week for us. The entirety of Yak’s and GoM simply gave up from the get-go, there is no one to blame for that but yourselves.

What nonsense. I’ve seen the transfer guilds in Wv3 all week. How could you miss them? There was no giving up, you had a huge number of players transfer and were putting double our numbers on the map. You’re deluding yourself if you think otherwise.

Same old song every other week. This isn’t the first time SoR was matched up against same servers again. The mistake lies within expectation. People expect the followup match to be just like previous one.

However, SoR managed to adapt their strategy. Since expectation wasn’t met people struggle for explanations – guild transfers, cheating, full moon, whatever.

Many servers just forfeit if the going gets tough, but so far SoR is strong when it comes to morale. The core guilds on SoR are here to stay, and with them their defiance in order to beat the odds.

Arius.7031:

Ask most EB people or SoR etc who they are more worried about, a group of 10 DH or a group of 10 NSP. The answer will be clear.

Well, let me put it this way, for this entire match expect for last night, we were beating you during your prime time before our prime time.

Ask anyone from EB or SoR, would they rather face a nighttime zerg from NSP or Dh… with one zerg we were still able to SoR and lead them even though they outmanned us on three maps and had equal numbers on whatever map had the zerg.

The boring part and frustrating part of this match up is again the fact that our servers really dont get to face off that much. I know in an even match up we are better than you. Just like you think in an even match up you are better than us.

(…)

Yes, DH night zerg caused SoR trouble, and we were only a few k points behind. First week. On second week however SoR beat up the DH night zerg so hard that it dropped one spot down the ladder while SoR moved up three.

Sometimes i wonder if you really believe your own propaganda.

Daboss.4682:

Tiglie.5834:

With that said, all these trash guilds that came and ruined our queue, why don’t you make a name for yourselves transfering to a non-winning server, instead of bandwagoning in and ruining it for those of us that have been here?

Sigh, i’m glad your a minority when it comes to this opinion.

JQ was the designated target server for many old daoc/WAR guilds. The guilds Daboss listed are such old guilds, with players with over a decade of MMO pvp/wvw experience. Usually they know their game.

Welcome from VIG alliance , TW.

Imperious.3940:

Farming Yacks Bend bots, in Yacks Bend = fun times

That is like 10 bots? Assuming there are more in the lake i can see why people think there is a population imbalance while in reality many valuable spots are just taken by bots.

Arius.7031:

Rashka.7304:

Worban.1574:

Oh don’t worry, warmonkey. We’ll chase as far as we have to reach you guys, even if it means chasing you to 1st bracket.

Vengeance is our engine. Coffee and/or booze is our regular fuel to catch up. Once we do, we’re going all nitro on ya! And may the better server win!

Yes, we can see how serious DH is about that.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Dark-Haven-Hiring-Capable-Guilds-9am-3pm-pst

Indeed we are! We recognized during this latest match that our only serious weakness is during the morning/afternoon times (8am-4pm). Once prime time hits, we start dominating NSP and by 11am-12pm it’s not uncommon for us to have the entire map.

We’re taking a page out of SoR’s book, finding our weaknesses and looking for ways to improve. Unfortunately we just don’t have even a decent morning WvW population, so it looks like HNN is trying to correct that.

Whichever book you took that recruiting page from, it is not from SoR’s book.

NSP, your presence is requested one tier higher, so get things going, please.

Worban.1574:

Oh don’t worry, warmonkey. We’ll chase as far as we have to reach you guys, even if it means chasing you to 1st bracket.

Vengeance is our engine. Coffee and/or booze is our regular fuel to catch up. Once we do, we’re going all nitro on ya! And may the better server win!

Yes, we can see how serious DH is about that.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Dark-Haven-Hiring-Capable-Guilds-9am-3pm-pst

iii.3905:

Tempest wolves joined SoR? Wow

Why so surprised? The answer was given earlier in this thread.

Kiamar.1820:

Elthurien, several RvR-focused guilds with a long history together from WAR/DAOC had wanted to join up on the same server, but ended up splitting choices. Tempest Wolves, Irony and most of the DAOC vets chose Jade Quarry while Vigilance, Knight/War Templars and Reveille le Lion decided on SoR to avoid the anticipated queues (and because Fog invited us).

I believe their intent was to get away from the massive queues on Jade Quarry and join up with the rest of us. It has nothing to do with any of the recent successful wins on SoR.

As for balance, it will come through moving up in tiers.

Kinda odd to fight with instead against TW. I still target and try to shoot them though, just out of old habit. Those Chaos Hibs!

iii.3905:

NSP GoGoGo! GoGoGo!

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Dear-Anvie-and-Fergie-baby

Thanks for the idea, HNN. If SoR meets DH again, we may be picking it up.

Recently people are too fast pointing fingers. Had to calm down folks in SoR chat as well.

The destroyed watergate, destroyed inner gate and that footprint of an Omega Golem on my back are telling me it was done the regular way. Their goal wasn’t taking garrison, just the orb.

There was a mesmer inside keep after those grabbers were gone, so he may just as well have stayed behind.

Two weeks ago DH was PvEing through the maps at night against SR and SoR. They made it second after SR with only 2k difference.

Last week same matchup and DH thought all they need to do is improving their daytime performance to win that round. While SR gave up on the DH nightzerg SoR pushed back. Hard.

Result was not only that DH gave up after facing reasonable resistance, on top of it certain individuals spread false rumors about guild transfers and hacking. And here, not 24h after they were beaten down one tier the same folks are padding themselves on their shoulders again. Some of DH really need to learn some diginity.

Sojou.2067:

Kuthos.9623:

That person just wants to believe that everyone transfered to SoR and that’s the only reason we’re winning. People will come up with excuses anytime they start losing.

Overall it’s been a lot of fun winning or losing. Honestly it was more fun (for me personally) when SoR was behind and we had to fight extra hard to take stuff.

I have noticed an increase in the number of people in WvW but I think that’s just because we started doing really well, and people got word of it. I dont think that many people have transferred here. Not enough to say “you guys only win because people transfered there” heh.

I would say your server transfers helped but it’s not the only reason you’re dominating now.

The main reason is, I was just in WvW watching several people from SoF flying around the map. Going over fort walls, mesmers using glitches to pass through walls, etc… It’s sad that a once highly competitive environment between these three worlds has been ruined by a sizable group of cheaters. Yeah it’s not your whole server, but it only takes a few to completely destroy what balance there was left after SoF got the population boost.

Report them and ask other witnesses to report as well.

PotatoOverdose.6583:

Enerjak.2475:

SF’s larger alliances (ITM, SR, etc) are still cozy on SF. That said, if there was any flux moving to SoR or DH, it was so miniscule that we didn’t even notice.

I don’t doubt there are those pricks who transfer just to be on the “winning side”… but I imagine they are fewer rather than any majority.

SF is just complacent. Most are pushing other goals (100% map completion for legendaries, dungeon armor, etc) and don’t really care for a second fight against the exact same opponents. At least, those I’ve spoken to in my guild and abroad have cited these reasons.

SF has a whole hell of a lot stronger forces, as proven in the epic battles last week. When SF wants to kick kitten they will kick kitten

The difficult part stands in making them want to.

I have to agree with Enerjak, many people are just doing other things. We regularly have around 30+ people in jumping puzzles, even during off-peak hours. Kinda funny really, if our jumping puzzle crew helped our night crew, we might actually be winning.

What will be interesting is if SoR wins and if we get another round, will the same thing happen to them?

That rumor was spread by certain DH individuals in now deleted threads. They were called out on it but of course they didn’t further comment it. Anyway, rumors spread like cancer once they are in the world.

Actually i do think we are going to have another matchup. SoR has some daoc vet guilds including VIG. We are used to fighting the same enemies over and over again. Personally i like it because one develops a love/hate relationship which makes it more fun.

Worban.1574:

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I have never called a guild out or labeled a server. I’m just hoping that a public conversation about this problem will give Anet a sense of urgency on this issue. I agree that flaming and blaming needs to be kept to a minimum. But Anet needs to understand that this is becoming a serious player satisfaction issue and the only way that happens is with a public discussion of the topic.

It is a very, very fine line between reasonable discussion and flame war when it comes to this topic. Once a rumor/accusation is in the world it cannot be undone, and usually it spreads and evolves like a virus. No matter the truth the reputation of guilds and individuals mentioned will be damaged. There is a reason why couple other threads were deleted today.

Anyway, most important thing is to report possible cheating/hacking to anet. Informing the community to sharpen their senses is a delicate matter though. The opposite of “good” is “good intention”.

Raffie.7865:

SoR is winning alright, hands down.(…)

The scoreboard is a mere measurement for performance, not a tool to determine a winner. What does the “winner” get? Trumpets, a medal, gold, gems?

Actually the “winners” have more bonuses they are losing when matches are recalculated. If they go up the ladder next round they may be getting less bonuses due to stronger enemies. So no, they are not “winning” in a classic sense.

What they gain is a bigger challenge. That is what w³ is about. The challenge. That is why taking a break cause you won the previous round is in reality giving up. It is also why cheaters have to be reported and punished – they are destroying that challenge.

There is no winner because there is no end, just the next round waiting, the next challenge.

Worban.1574:

Indeed, 2-3 guilds of comprising of 50-60 members of notorious cheaters(…)

In one of those deleted threads there was talk about one group of 5-6 players which were reported for cheating/exploiting. Now we are up to 50-60, yes?

If you can provide any useful information or evidence send them to anet. Otherwise, generalizations are bad. Don’t, please.

Mikaila.5942:

So what’s the score?

SoR 143,7k 215/tick
DH 129,0 245/tick
SR 118,2 235/tick

One orb each.

Time: 5:20am EST

Dinks.2478:

SF maps are barren. I can hop from map to map with no queue, I feel like most of SF doesn’t care due to a bunch of factors. I personally still show up to WvW because its fun. But I do feel demoralized and tired the next day when we don’t have anything because we lost it all overnight. I am also bored of fighting the same people every week from the same spot because the system didn’t even change our colors in the matchup.

That on top of the fact that I think a lot of SF players put in a lot of overtime last week to compete with the night capping, I think we’re just taking a break this week.

w³ is not fair, the importance of morale should not be underestimated.

Anyhow, 4:30pm EST, current ticks are:
315 SF
200 SoR
180 DH

Looks like some of the men in green tights are out roaming for fights.

According to von Clausewitz military power is the multiplication of means and willpower, roughly said. If SFs lacks the willpower, the morale, then their number advantage is meaningless.

Was a bit surprising on Sunday seeing DH out in force during the day. Of course the lower numbers of SF helped them but still, good show. Also, even when SF is behind atm, and despite some postings here, i wouldn’t write them off. That would be a mistake.

What i cannot understand is the argument that some SF brought up, that it is boring to fight same enemies again. For SoR it is not, on the contrary. Fighting the same servers again means you have the chance to build a love/hate relationship with them.

Maybe it is helping us that at least Vigilance [VIG] and our allied guilds are daoc veterans, and later WAR. Back in those games we fought the same enemies over and over again, for years. Patches/expansions turned the tides of war, and you had to deal with it. What we learned is that w³ style pvp is an ever changing, dynamic, unfair beast. It is the same thing in gw2, despite the resets.

You have to proof your strength every single 24h day. If a server decides to forfeit for whatever reasons e.g. a quesiton of morale then they deserve to drop in tiers. There they can boost their morale again against weaker targets.

Arius.7031:

(…) Honestly, Rashka, I think I’m just not explaining my point well enough. I agree that we outnumber you guys in 99% of the fights at nighttime, I just think that this is due to the fact that the zerg absorbs almost every single WvWer playing during nighttime. (…)

That part is not true. While we held SoR garrison during that orb incident our points were steadily decreasing because we lost ground in EB/SR. While we were trying to defend our border from the DH zerg we lost Bay keep in SR which held the other orb we had. And we did not lose the keep to SR, we lost it to DH.

You don’t organize 99% of your troops, “just” a decent amount on one map. The rest is more than enough to wipe out any opposition on the remaining 2 maps, assuming you cleared DH border first.

If you don’t believe it, watch the point progress and where you gained ground. It is in all borders, at the same time. Unless you are doing some insane map hopping at awesome speed DH has zergs out on every map, not just the one you are in.

Actium.8765:

(…)
Anyways I wanna comment on the hole orb issue in Sanctums BL… I don’t know how it happend but that orb just appeared in my keep outa knowhere and I KNOW we didn’t capture it so i’m going to assume someone hacked it like i’v been seeing on youtube and some screenies on some of the forums.. I’d like to apologize for that. :\ none of us liked that when it happend and we tried to find out who did it but, of course, we couldn’t.
(…)

It wasn’t some sinister plan but more likely the deed of a single person. One can just hope that anet is able to track these things and ban accordingly.

Arius.7031:

Rashka.7304:

Arius.7031:

@Niim
Hey, I understand your point. One might be tempted to say that we just overpower everything at night with numbers… but that’s not the case at all. Ask any DH member who plays at those times, and while a lot of the times we do just roll on over everything, we actually get into battles where we’re outnumbered too at times. The fact is, we’re just far more organized. Our commanders embolden us, and we’re willing to charge right into enemy groups even larger than our own. This gives us a massive edge.
(…)

Do you really think it is because of your organization that during the night DH manages to skyrocket from 100ish to 650ish per tick… in 1-2 hours? Let’s face it, both SoR and SR have little nighttime presence so DH just PvEs through all four maps simultaneously with little resistance.

That’s ok, it’s part of the game, just don’t kid yourself.

Yes, in fact I do. Not only have we multiple times ran into groups LARGER than ours, we’re so successful because we’re quick and organized. Most any pug could not do half of what we can in the same amount of time. And, let’s face it, Sorrow’s Furnace has a far larger population than both SoR and Dh. So to be completely frank, I think you guys outnumber us no matter what time. We don’t have loads of oceanic players or anything, that night group is mostly North American in fact.

Anyhow, I think Sorrow’s Furnace actually outnumbers us greatly during night time. I just think they’re all off on their own in different maps, whereas we’re all in one zerg in one map.

In fact, what’s odd, is the only time that SF truly dominates the other two is during the morning. If you’re there for primetime, it’s usually a close fight and Sanctum of Rall is usually the one in the lead. So honestly? Even if you were correct, you do the exact same thing, except for you outnumber us consistently, whereas we (if you’re correct, I doubt you are) outnumber you for like 6 hours…

Guess we have different opinions then.

DH is the king of the nighttime zerg, you PvE through all 4 maps at the same time, facing little resistance. However, during day/evening you are lacking the numbers. Even worse, SR/SoR are using your border somewhat as “neutral” ground for fighting each other for the lead.

SR has their advantage in numbers. During the day their zerg is on a run. They are facing opposition but the biggest zerg wins.

SoR has a handfull dedicated w³ guilds which are active in the evening, and the number advantage for SR isn’t that big compared to daytime. That is where we are making our stand.

Personally i think that it is interesting that each server has a different strength they bring to the table, yet we are a very balanced matchup.

Erekose.5673:

I would love to agree with all the sentiment about this being a good match up but it is more like a 2 on 1 fight which proves in the long run we owned it all. If anyone has anything to say from the other servers they are more welcome to but the proof is there sanctum only feeds off of sorrows scraps if not for sorrows, sanctum would not even be on the map if you 2 ever fought each other this match would be totally different.

Maybe you forgot last weekend when SoR invaded your border and turned it from green to blue? Two days in a row?

SR has the number advantage during the day, i grant you that, but nothing more. Actually you should be thankful to the DH nightcrew that they are forcing us to clean up their mess first, so you are usually spared of our full attention while we have similar numbers compared to SR.

Arius.7031:

@Niim
Hey, I understand your point. One might be tempted to say that we just overpower everything at night with numbers… but that’s not the case at all. Ask any DH member who plays at those times, and while a lot of the times we do just roll on over everything, we actually get into battles where we’re outnumbered too at times. The fact is, we’re just far more organized. Our commanders embolden us, and we’re willing to charge right into enemy groups even larger than our own. This gives us a massive edge.
(…)

Do you really think it is because of your organization that during the night DH manages to skyrocket from 100ish to 650ish per tick… in 1-2 hours? Let’s face it, both SoR and SR have little nighttime presence so DH just PvEs through all four maps simultaneously with little resistance.

That’s ok, it’s part of the game, just don’t kid yourself.

Zenyatoo.4059:

(…)
Like ive said, perhaps day is different. But at night literally every rall (and I do mean literally. Like I do keep saying I have yet to meet a single rall person who deviates from this) acts in the manners ive described.

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I’m also kind of confused why people believe im badmouthing the rall server. Last I checked if your enemies in war think you are jerks then you’re probably doing something right… <.<

Ok, so you are one of the FA players who PvEs all maps green during the night and heavily fortify every single location. And why exactly are you surprised that our few nighttime defenders fight for every single inch of ground our day/evening crew managed to wrestle back from you?

Don’t get me wrong, w³ isn’t fair, FA has a valid advantage at night and they are using it. Just confuses me that our nighttime players are jerks in your eyes just because they are trying to prevent an easy win for FA.