Guild Wars 2

The new league format is good, however the population of players is not sufficient for this system. Unless, Anet merge EU and NA into one increasing the probability of more active pvp players. Which is a challenge due to good connection between overseas players and still may not be enough. Anet atleast needs to remove divisions boundaries and so all teams regardless on what division you are in, can still play one another and focus on indiviual progression; so each player may recieve more or less pts based on the team projected skill level, win/loss probability, and projected scores vs actual score. Therefore, depending on your mmr, rank games played, etc… each player will recieve certain amount progression pts based on the projected outcome who has a higher probabilty of winning, players score, and overall score in comparison to the actual results. So even if a team was to lose and there was very low probabilty of winning players can still get pts since they did better then projected scores. This will keep each player the motive to play throughout, reduce que time, losing purposly and calibrating competition imbalance. Of course, there should still be matching system in place to reduce the imbalance competition. But the main focus is playtime, esp. for pvpers. Hopefully, I am 100% wrong and everything does get better with time and we just needed to be patient.

As always, the Trolls and the Conspiracy Theorist come out to play during these times of change. Entertaining I will Say!!!

Laserbolt.6731:

“Half the people on the front page are in the 50%’s.”

Doesn’t this just mean the matcher does a good job of giving a match where you have a only a 50/50 chance of winning? As designed?

Bingo, Laserbolt.6731 hit the nail on the head!!! The 50% are most likely soloque peeps and more likely above avg skilz players, the new system basically exposes the diamonds in the rough. Great way to form a team or to recruit them. Just like all other games that require team play, it can be hard for some people to join a good team or to get notice. Think of the Fifty%ers on the front pages as top college football players looking to go pro. Focusing just on win/loss ratio alone is overrated and old school.

Most players would focus on there main class for leaderboards and the class leaderboards would help top 10 players in each class be expose more.

It way pass due and adding rank Pvp class leaderboards would be nice. Especially for players that are starting out and can also focus on the smaller leaderboards as way to keep them interested; instead of one leaderboard that may be a daunting task to achieve or see it as a long way to go behavior. It would be nice to see the top players in each class expose more and it would help promote more attention to those players for advice or being ask to join a team. etc…. The data is already there and sorted, just let that beast go!!!!!

I agree with thiss post LoL

I just want to chime in that a lot of us seem to forget that you can get up to +2 points even if you are losing. (https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/finding-the-perfect-match/) It happens when you have a close match against much tougher opponent (possibly premade team).
As Justin has pointed out, your points, total games and average points per game regardless of winning or losing matter. It comes to my understanding that your total point, albeit benefiting from grinding more games, decides your relative position on the LB. However if you are more skilled, you can still reach higher points with less total games. The higher number of games is, the better the estimation of your skill level (per statistics rationale). Last but not least, if you are skilled and have a good MMR, it is expected that your average point per game is in between 0 and 0.5.

I agree, plus it like the other said being a test phase. Let the man observe, tweak and finish his product. As for grinding games, keep in mind the more you play the better you will become. The force has spoken.

Or Venom are to risky to play until a a good thief starts to use it. Then every one follows like sheep. I smell lots of sheep here.

Either is fine, it depends on your experience. But i would go d/p and p/d for wvw roaming and since you are still learning this class. Besides d/p is similar to d/d.

Good luck!!!

K U T M.4539:

I don’t think anyone would care about your current build if you didn’t use perplexity.

Problem solved!!!!!!
So let all voluntary refrain ourselves to not use perplexity for the sake of being called cheese and to have a fair fight.
Bravo

Dee Jay.2460:

“Cheese” is a term people use to label tactics they consider cheap.

I.e. they are either hard to counter or easy to use and exploit.

In Starcraft 2 Protoss players could cannon-rush enemy bases which was considered cheesey for a long time as it exploited the fact that Protoss could port in structures at any location, even if this was in the middle of the enemy base.

It was hard to counter if you were caught off guard and scouting was really the only effective measure against it. Other races had similar tactics and it wasn’t unbalanced. It just felt “cheap” losing to such a simple trick.

Stealth is generally what people feel is cheap about Thieves because it’s so frequently available and provides so many benefits. I sort of agree, but it’s not the Thief’s fault they were designed with so much focus on stealth.

It felt cheap because it was different and hard to counter from the beginning, the protoss cannon rush was use in SC1 as well as scv rush, 6zerg pool rush, zealot rush, bunker rush, and my favourite reaver drop. Each was all easily counter later, it know different on what we deal with on GW2.

Mordecai.6318:

Let me preface this by saying this is more than likely going to be a rant, because I am beyond tired of reading/listening to people toss the word ‘cheese’ around every time they lose.

‘Cheese’ is a term used most commonly by scrubs who either A.) feel or act above using specific weapons/runesets/builds, etc. B.) don’t play to win

I have been called out on using ‘cheese’ setups on virtually every thief set/build imaginable. It literally does not matter I play. I will inevitably receive a group invite from some raging sourpuss, then listen to them call me cheese.

I ran a 10/0/0/30/30 S/D build that hit like a wet noodle in a lot of cases and still was called ‘Cheese.’

Currently my main cheese is the ever-so-popular P/D plexity thief. I’m sorry, but this is not cheese and never will be. Anyone who uses the P/D set as their ‘latest’ weapon set is either really new to thief or has been living in a box for the past 7-8 months. P/D has been one of/if not the thief’s strongest weapon set for most of this games existence. Even before the Shadow Strike buff, perplexity runes, etc. I’ve used P/D longer than I have D/P and that was even during the D/P ‘perma-stealth’ phase.

I’m sorry that when I play WvW I don’t want to play with an infinite amount of handicaps. Why? Because 90% of the time I am having to deal with the biggest handicap of fighting 1vX. Knowing that is more than likely going to happen I have built my toon to survive and outlast my opponents. It compliments my playstyle and my abilities. If I am interrupting and shutting down your critical survival tools, then kitten right I am going to use a runeset that compliments my ability to out think my opponent and one that punishes them for allowing me to do so.

Builds that I’ve used that have been called ‘Cheese:’
10/30/30/0/0 D/P or D/D or P/D
0/20/30/20/0 D/P
10/0/0/30/30 S/D
10/30/0/0/30 S/D or S/P or D/P
10/0/30/0/30 P/D with/without plexity
10/0/30/0/30 S/P-P/D Hybrid
0/25/30/0/15 S/P-P/D Hybrid

There are more, but the point is that I’ve tried basically everything there is to try on a thief. I have 6 armor sets and a plethora of weapons to go with. There is nothing that I can use that isn’t automatically going to be labeled as ‘cheese.’

I play to win and I’m sorry if you don’t. This is my gaming experience, I paid for the game just as you did, I’ve put the hours into my class to beat the odds, and I will absolutely not be catering to everyone else because they are too inept to figure out how to counter/adjust their play style.

TL;DR
Shut up.

LOL I so agree, however this forum is full of hypocrites and they love this word “cheese” it gives them the fantasy to think there skill is still godly. I call it the pride relaxer. Any high skill player will look at it as a challenge to beat it, instead of crying about it. Cheese sayer=Insecurity
Unfortunately, this has been happening since I can remember in the days of street fighter, starcraft, etc…
They just don’t understand “I play to win”, they think " I play to win, BUT"

Dam Viking jorun, it sadden me that your getting the same treatment lol

Flumek.9043:

The negative feedback poeple give you is because you seem like a new player , who got the wrong 1st impression. Theres nothing wrong with it, as long as you are prepared to listen, be reasonable and accept the fact that you arent showing anything special in the videos……… ur pretty bad actualy, both of u

A small sidenote:
Poeple who ONLY duel, use the 3min elites once every third match… u get the idea probably

Edit: Your basically a phantsm mesmer, nuff said

Thanks Dr. (necro) Flumek on your professional observation, it give me great honor to hear your insightful advice and to especially point out the other person and I are , ”ur pretty bad actually, both of u ” Keep in mind, which I never said I was good nor bad In this forum discussion. What with the Wink? You got Sir VinceAlot doing it now. Which he make no sense what he saying about replacing shadow step with scorpion wire, replace this, replace that. Why would I replace anything since I already have it both and more. (wink) What do you mean ima Phantom Memser and then adding Nuff said? OwinkO Also the 3min cd duel every 3rd match thing, im confused, is there like a speed duelling event, like speed dating? I don’t need them all the time.

o man, then the Mesmer will be in here whining “not fair”

So I have seem to get a lot of negative support from my fellow thieves, (which seems most are all from HOD or GOM) Here is a Happy Battle song to cheer you guys or ladies up on my play style. Now, I am thinking outside the box, You all are so fixated on the thieves and no one really seeing why I use all these AI, the damage that they do is low (maybe except the rock dog) and just a small reason I use them. So just think and watch, Maybe the Jedi Mind Tricks is affecting you too.

http://youtu.be/VqxCA_SFRgM

capmasterflash.5690:

Dahkeus.8243:

Lesson of the video: When faced with a 1 vs 1, just cheese your way through it with Thieves Guild and Ambush. =P

This exactly. Build too tough for you…NP just be a cheapass and call three thieves during a duel.

O my, The purple Guardian (MU), i thought we had good o fight. I am deeply offended, i believe it was a fair fight. I mean, you use what you got and i use what i have. Not sure whats the prob. and it wasnt just 3 thieves, you cant forget the rock dog You should ask me to fight you again, and again, and again, and again until you find my weakness. That what duels are for IMO. Instead of “I WIN so that means i am better then you”. I will show you the video on that one, to study.

Maesk.8753:

RocSteady.9784:

Wow so your saying Maesk, that I was skill-less and we had a nice clean battle and I was not worthy of you, because you are The Best of Best. I was lucky to survive the whole old deal? Viking Jorun.5413 thanks for being so Nice, you was gracious to be so polite. I feel you must know me too, have we met before lately? (-2)

Also, just so I know, if you are not a FAN, does that mean by law all the thieves should believe the same? I mean who the The Judge of all this. I mean is your build a cheesey type too or yours take great skilz to master.

Well, if you’re going to be like that.

You missed ALOT of cloak and daggers both in our fight and in the video, and most of the time you were doing damage to me, you were actually sitting in SR while your thieves DPS’d me. Due to running negative condi food and having a lot of cleanses your spec countered mine very well, especially since I was running double p/d and had zero cleave to deal with your thieves.

So yeah, I guess I’m saying the only reason you didn’t die was because your super cheesy spec counters my build very well. And also because you have much more mobility than I did, which you used very effectively to run away.

I tried not to be a kitten, but y’know. If you’re going to twist my words…

I am trying to remember our battle you speak of Maesk, You must be the Sylvari thief with with Perplex runes I think for HOD server? Clan Tag [UDW} in EB at SM, that was a very interesting fight Viking JOrun.5413 was there too for GOM-[SB}

People that label others Cheesy=Intimidation simply because they got beat by them and refuse accept there loss or unable to down him/her. Therefore, adding cheesy helps the pride but not the skill to progress.

Another person explain this well in a different discussion:

If only people played it for fun like they use too. Experiment with others and learn. Builds are defined and used in order of “best of”. If you try something new or off beat you get dominated by what people call “cheese”(best of). Builds are not secret, they are not unique. If you play something “new” and you lose on it the “pro” players with “unique” builds will snuff you as a bad player. If you play a build that competes you are “cheese”. We need to lose the double standard and arrogance.

Really sucks for the original pioneers who worked hard polishing the “go to” builds everyone complains about.

I enjoy fighting any and all builds at anytime. I get aggravated with my own self for bad targeting or lack of rotation speed, but don’t care what the opposition plays anymore.

Less QQ more pew pew."

Silas Drake.8946 (this person gets it, so should you)

Wow I see the Fog of Insecurity has thicken

OO so you was being Creative in a since, Meaning not many people us it, because of it disadvantage. Interesting, something that people are not use to seeing, Which could lead to a challenge for the other person. Wow I likes, you are evolving. Maesk, how that SM wall Holding up, with those cannons supporting you Wink, Wink

Wow so your saying Maesk, that I was skill-less and we had a nice clean battle and I was not worthy of you, because you are The Best of Best. I was lucky to survive the whole old deal? Viking Jorun.5413 thanks for being so Nice, you was gracious to be so polite. I feel you must know me too, have we met before lately? (-2)

Also, just so I know, if you are not a FAN, does that mean by law all the thieves should believe the same? I mean who the The Judge of all this. I mean is your build a cheesey type too or yours take great skilz to master.

This build will make Mesmer whine, because I can max out 4 thieves and rock dog if the timing is right. I do have high crit damage for d/d and with all the distraction they lose me in the mix. I have a better video to show, which is almost done. The little perma stealth thieves are no issue as well.

Hey, had a little fun using afterburner for recording video and audio for the first time. Typical day or night for me playing my thief (outnumber, chasing, etc… ) Nothing edited yet, but the Star wars music happen to sync well with many battles I had, which was funny. Little long tho.

Just for entertainment:

http://youtu.be/BTmThP7919Y

Ynot.8397:

beyonder.9735:

fc is still a bunch of scrubs in my eyes. hats off to DR though they definitely stepped it up .. fc biggest flaw = 80 million man blob that doesnt spread their numbers out and cant due to lack of skill ..also if they cant keep a wp their pretty much done cuz they cant spam their whole server in. and that folks is fc exposed like dog nuts. my advice to DR if u wanna take 2nd focus getting down fc’s way points. keep their kitten paper and GG.

Teach us the advanced SF tactics of queuing all of the maps!
edit: I decided to take a few pictures of advanced SF tactics defending the empty map. Thank you all for this wonderful lesson.

Good times last night, here a battle after Ynots pictures of the Serengeti Migration

http://youtu.be/k3zY_fa8YG0

We need kill spam in WvWvW. It will help WvWvW be more appealing whether you are in a zerg, small group or solo. It gives an opportunity for players to make a name for themselves. You want other enemies to know your name. I know something so small seems insignificant, but for people who played DAOC can relate. You always knew certain guilds or leaders that led zerg, or elite small groups that were able to handle 2 groups because they all where veterans, and played there roles in a group; which would make the game more exciting and determine to play with them, as well making a name for yourself. Seeing that GW2 is new, Zerging will be main play for now, as time goes bye you will see group getting smaller and becoming more picky about who with who and what gear you got, kinda like seals, special forces, people will get bored of zerging and want more 5v5 battle where everyone is hold accountable who wins base on strategy and not who got more players. I know PVP is out there, but players are evenly matched, WvWvW give you chance to show off your hard to get exotic or legendary gears. Also, player rankings and guild rankings is a must. Rank each Players, overall, and by class would be nice in WvW being rank for each server.

We need kill spam in WvWvW. It will help WvWvW be more appealing whether you are in a zerg, small group or solo. It gives an opportunity for players to make a name for themselves. You want other enemies to know your name. I know something so small seems insignificant, but for people who played DAOC can relate. You always knew certain guilds or leaders that led zerg, or elite small groups that were able to handle 2 groups because they all where veterans, and played there roles in a group; which would make the game more exciting and determine to play with them, as well making a name for yourself. Seeing that GW2 is new, Zerging will be main play for now, as time goes bye you will see group getting smaller and becoming more picky about who with who and what gear you got, kinda like seals, special forces, people will get bored of zerging and want more 5v5 battle where everyone is hold accountable who wins base on strategy and not who got more players. I know PVP is out there, but players are evenly matched, WvWvW give you chance to show off your hard to get exotic or legendary gears. Also, player rankings and guild rankings is a must. Rank each Players, overall, and by class would be nice in WvW being rank for each server.

We need kill spam in WvWvW. It will help WvWvW be more appealing whether you are in a zerg, small group or solo. It gives an opportunity for players to make a name for themselves. You want other enemies to know your name. I know something so small seems insignificant, but for people who played DAOC can relate. You always knew certain guilds or leaders that led zerg, or elite small groups that were able to handle 2 groups because they all where veterans, and played there roles in a group; which would make the game more exciting and determine to play with them, as well making a name for yourself. Seeing that GW2 is new, Zerging will be main play for now, as time goes bye you will see group getting smaller and becoming more picky about who with who and what gear you got, kinda like seals, special forces, people will get bored of zerging and want more 5v5 battle where everyone is hold accountable who wins base on strategy and not who got more players. I know PVP is out there, but players are evenly matched, WvWvW give you chance to show off your hard to get exotic or legendary gears. Also, not sure if it exists, but player rankings and guild rankings is a must. If there is such thing, let me know.

We should always know if good players are in the vicinity so we can either run away or to confront. Kill spam will give these players a reputation and the incentive to play WvWvW.

We need kill spam in WvWvW. It will help WvWvW be more appealing whether you are in a zerg, small group or solo. It gives an opportunity for players to make a name for themselves. You want other enemies to know your name. I know something so small seems insignificant, but for people who played DAOC can relate. You always knew certain guilds or leaders that led zerg, or elite small groups that were able to handle 2 groups because they all where veterans, and played there roles in a group; which would make the game more exciting and determine to play with them, as well making a name for yourself. Seeing that GW2 is new, Zerging will be main play for now, as time goes bye you will see group getting smaller and becoming more picky about who with who and what gear you got, kinda like seals, special forces, people will get bored of zerging and want more 5v5 battle where everyone is hold accountable who wins base on strategy and not who got more players. I know PVP is out there, but players are evenly matched, WvWvW give you chance to show off your hard to get exotic or legendary gears. Also, not sure if it exists, but player rankings and guild rankings is a must. If there is such thing, let me know.