Guild Wars 2

Magic Cuber.6230:

ah, any idea about the fix patch time?

Around a week

yeah don’t count on it.

There’s already a megathread for this

it’ll take them a week or so to fix it

Same problem, surprised this is still an issue

Anyone know when we should expect a fix?

Coulter.2315:

Savior.5783:

Impact.2780:

Savior.5783:

Impact.2780:

Then look it up.

But you just made a claim, the burden of proof is on you mate.

I don’t need to prove inflation. It’s existence is common knowledge. If you want exact figures, find them yourself. I’m not your servant.

Then don’t make claims that you can’t back up with evidence.

Scroll up, I backed it up.

Yes, in the UK. And it’s quite negligible, and that’s the point. Still not an unfair comparison since Factions has more content.

Impact.2780:

Savior.5783:

Impact.2780:

Then look it up.

But you just made a claim, the burden of proof is on you mate.

I don’t need to prove inflation. It’s existence is common knowledge. If you want exact figures, find them yourself. I’m not your servant.

Then don’t make claims that you can’t back up with evidence.

Entenkommando.5208:

Savior.5783:

Anyway, I’m mainly attacking Anet’s integrity considering they give an expansion-worth, if you want to call it that, 3 years after its release, while in GW1 they came up with an entirely new SEQUEL 1.5 years later. They clearly don’t care about the game as much as they used to.

U know living story and feature packs bro?

lmao

Killthehealersffs.8940:

How so ?
I can think of one player that comes from WoW and deleted his post history to pass as a GW1 player .
I remember that person that said : GW2 will be dead when the Wildstar + Archeage + WoW expansion will come up .
And here he is today to tell us about about the regulars and vets ?

Have you ever played some game in your life , surrounded in your dark room ?
Have you seen some game release x-packs and screw over new players to pay more ?
But 3 months later they offered bundles(original game + x-pack) for the same price as you paid for your single x-pack ?
Do you whine there too ?
How old is your body , because i cant tell from your mind …

Heck even WoD they released in May the pre-persude for 50$ dollars
4 motnhs later in Agust they offered all the x-packs +WoD for 50 dollars
Then they release it on the November

If you played for as long as you say , then you money are worthed it , because you took advantage of the gold>gem ration + Gear that no longer exist + world events + S1

Otherwise , if YOU still think you are screwed , you better delete once more your post history and bail out .
You are preaty good at it :P

Base game + HoT is $50, while for GW2 players the game is $50. Essentially, the base game is free for new players while people who’ve been playing and supporting Anet don’t get such compensation while people who haven’t played the game do. Understandably this is good for business as it brings in new people to the game, but it is also disrespectful towards current players. Anet is a company, profit is the main priority, not necessarily the good of the game.

Anyway, I’m mainly attacking Anet’s integrity considering they give an expansion-worth, if you want to call it that, 3 years after its release, while in GW1 they came up with an entirely new SEQUEL 1.5 years later. They clearly don’t care about the game as much as they used to.

Impact.2780:

Then look it up.

But you just made a claim, the burden of proof is on you mate.

Impact.2780:

Don’t know; if you’re interested in pursuing this line of argument, look it up lol. I often get the impression when I go into detail to give an opinion, criticize, or argue a case, that people look at it and think “Urgh, logic. I’m just going to skim, take one minor point out of context, and spam ‘no’,” so I only bother when I’m absent something to do, which isn’t now =P.

No I’d like to see

Impact.2780:

I really can’t be bothered to repeat my reasoning yet again on yet another thread, but I will just say that $50 then is not equal to $50 now, so HoT is actually cheaper.

by how much?

rapthorne.7345:

People on both sides of this argument are doing the same.

I’ve been called a sheep, kitten, white knight, fanboy, kitten, moron, kittenwit, etc (Many of which I’m sure will display as kitten) purely for not sharing in the opinion that ANet are ripping veterans off and being happy with money spent.

So I’d say practice what you preach.

They are ripping off not only vets, but regular players, though.

Mourningcry.9428:

Savior.5783:

Getting conveniently specific, aren’t we? Don’t blame you though, you have no other option here.

….

You’re conveniently asking for more and more specific things, when we can get a rough estimate from simple facts when it comes to Anet’s financial situation. We don’t need a full report as you keep pegging me into going into, knowing that obviously I can’t get that.

It’s no more convenient then presuming an assumption is fact just because you want it, or think it to be.

Your coherent argument is really nothing more then a well expressed opinion. Basing it on assumption, conjecture, and speculation, no matter how rational, doesn’t make it any more factual then any other random opinion.

My point is simply this, your contention regarding pricing is nothing more then an opinion. An opinion no better, no worse, then the opinions you original chastised other people from expressing. Perhaps, you should heed your own advice.

You’re being overly specific when there’s no need to be. There are no significant deficit when it comes to Anet’s financial state from 10 years ago to now, I actually gave you reasons why they’d have it better now but you keep ignoring it calling it “assumptions” when they’re facts.

You don’t need a full report to roughly tell how they’re doing as much as you keep desperately sticking onto to defend HoT. And my pricing was an opinion based on comparison. I like your opinion though.

Galen Grey.4709:

Savior.5783:

There are people claiming Anet are innocent as an attempt to downplay what they’ve done. So you’re wrong there, look at the forums.

Woooo hold your horse there. Correlation does not imply causation.
I am one who think most of the claims are actually wrong not because people are being rude but because their arguments are flawed. Example people claiming they are being cheated by being made to pay for the core game again.

Savior.5783:

Saying a certain attitude is not acceptable, depending on the attitude, when the actions of the attitude do not exist in the first place is wrong.

How the *&^$ are you silenced by other peoples’ rudeness? Can you not still post? Are you being physically restricted? Garbage.

I didnt say we are being silenced by rudeness I am saying asking for politeness is not silencing you like you’re claiming (I here means those who are requesting respect, you being people who feel they can act as emotionally as they feel like)

Savior.5783:

Also I never implied or even said that I was being victimized. Did you even read my post?

And you’re implying being rude and calling people names is unjustified in any case, when that’s simply wrong.

I don’t think you even read or responded to my post at all. You’re all over the place and make no sense.

yes certainly implied it. Your whole argument is people shouldnt try to silence you by expecting you to be polite doing that is and I quote you “disgusting” because essentially and I quote again “the person, in pretending to be a victim, is attempting to shut down said criticism and thus is a “liar” who opposes attempt at truth. They also use the severity and nature of actual victims and thus downplay true victim’s suffering, and this especially is what makes such people immoral and shameless in their delusion because they are purposefully ignorant or careless towards the suffering of real victims and to the validity of criticisms”

and thats not mentioning prior posts like “the people who are using this on behalf of Anet seem to be the type to genuinely believe that they are the victims in this whole debacle” doesnt this imply you’re (as a group) the real victims here?

Like I said, I’m not a victim here. Didn’t say it, didn’t imply it, so stop insisting that I am.

Explain how it is wrong to be rude and disrespectful towards somebody who is rude and disrespectful against innocent people.

Sad Swordfish.9743:

Knighthonor.4061:

Wow seriously. .this is getting out of hand. Anet say something… release some info…. do something. …stop with the silent treatment. …

No. Do not do this. Do not give into whining, unreasonable demands and internet bullying.
It’s like a weak parent giving their kid toys and candy to shut them up. People should vote with their wallets if they don’t find value in the product. There is no excuse for all this insanity. We are way past a meaningful dialogue and ArenaNet should have no patience for their intolerance and hate.
I’m not a dev, but these people are ruining the game for me. 5-6 people were spamming the teq chat, whispering people to sign some stupid petition to boycott GW2 and go play FFXIV. It’s pathetic.

Yes, do not give many of your consumers who are the source of a part of your income any attention. Real smart.

Bullying can be justified, and the vast majority of people against HoT aren’t bullying Anet.

Galen Grey.4709:

no down voting comments is not harassment, down voting as a form of an attack is yes.

as with everything else there are degrees of severity.

noun: attack; plural noun: attacks

1.
an aggressive and violent action against a person or place.

Downvoting is not an attack, otherwise disagreement is an attack.

Galen Grey.4709:

lets start with the basic fact no one is playing the victim card. Saying certain attitude is not acceptable is not the same as saying you’re being victimize. Besides the coin has two faces. Wouldnt what you’re saying equaly apply to those claiming they’re being unfairly silenced by the other party because of the rudeness?

I mean just to prove the point you yourself used the term “real victims” just to drive in the point you feel victimized!

so wouldnt it be better to express your critizism politely so that no one feels victimize and uses that as a weapon to get out of seeking the truth?

since when reasonable and logical points can only be expressed through attacks, name calling and rudeness?

There are people claiming Anet are innocent as an attempt to downplay what they’ve done. So you’re wrong there, look at the forums.

Saying a certain attitude is not acceptable, depending on the attitude, when the actions of the attitude do not exist in the first place is wrong.

How the *&^$ are you silenced by other peoples’ rudeness? Can you not still post? Are you being physically restricted? Garbage.

Also I never implied or even said that I was being victimized. Did you even read my post?

And you’re implying being rude and calling people names is unjustified in any case, when that’s simply wrong.

I don’t think you even read or responded to my post at all. You’re all over the place and make no sense.

Galen Grey.4709:

Ashen.2907:

I still haven’t seen harassment of a dev.

I am not saying that all of the criticism of the handling of the pre-purchase announcements has been civil, but that is no more a harassment of an employee than would be a sign saying Exxon sucks after a preventable oilspill.

quote some from various posts
“The marketing department for Anet should be fired. No reprimand, no unpaid leave… Clean out your desk by the end of business hours.”

How about GaileGray being downvoted into oblivion to the point her account has now negative karma on reddit? and btw thats for posting this “Hey all. As I mentioned on another thread, we are really happy to be launching pre-purchase of Heart of Thorns! We just want to let you know that $50 is the price of the expansion. We included the core game as a free bonus to make it easier for new players to get into it. FYI: There won’t be any other HoT editions, just so you know.”

Reddit rules are clear you only downvote when posts arent related to the subject at hands not because you dont like what one is saying hence the down voting is clearly retaliatory which is harassment.

name calling is also considered harrasment and I dont know how you managed to miss the sea of that going on right now. Plenty of examples in this thread itself.

So downvoting comments on a website called reddit is harassment?

Lmao

Back then harassment used to mean being thrown garbage at, being ridiculed, continually abused and disrespected, and treated like trash for no good reason. I didn’t know having a red thumbs down is a part of that definition now. How respectful towards people that have faced actual harassment in their lives. Harassment is something perpetual.

Ashen.2907:

Savior.5783:

Ashen.2907:

Which individuals are being immoral and shameless ?

Ones playing the victim card at the face of criticism (not harassment).

Which ones are those though ?

In this case? They’re people who usually defend HoT on the behalf of Anet by claiming Anet is being abused and harassed.

Random.4691:

I’m not telling you to change your mind, I’m telling you why I believe something different or why I don’t agree with what you’re saying. There is a difference, if you change your mind on your own because of points I make then great, if you don’t then that also is perfectly fine.

That’s completely fine and healthy

Galen Grey.4709:

thing is them being immoral and shameless is your own personal opinion. You may be right but you may also be wrong. If you’re wrong what happens to your justifications then? Even if you’re right do you believe all 350 people working at Arenanet are guilty? do they deserve your rude / hurtful comments too?

Playing the victim card when being criticized by reasonable and logical points is immoral because the person, in pretending to be a victim, is attempting to shut down said criticism and thus is a “liar” who opposes attempt at truth. They also use the severity and nature of actual victims and thus downplay true victim’s suffering, and this especially is what makes such people immoral and shameless in their delusion because they are purposefully ignorant or careless towards the suffering of real victims and to the validity of criticisms (thus they are opposing the desire for uncovering truth, which we should all agree is a good thing to uncover truth no matter what it is)

Ashen.2907:

Which individuals are being immoral and shameless ?

Ones playing the victim card at the face of criticism (not harassment).

Random.4691:

Again, there is nothing wrong with DEBATING a point. Shoving your opinion down their throat in an effort to persuade them to change theirs is not. I’m guessing you missed the debate part the first time so I made sure it was in capitals for you.

Getting into semantics here. shoving opinion down throat =/= arguing why you should believe in my opinion- you can argue debating is synonymous to the latter.

Galen Grey.4709:

Savior.5783:

I like how there’s no actual substance or argument in that and it appealed solely to emotion, acting one-sided as if Anet is this poor, delicate little flower who get’s easily hurt by criticism.

This is actually a disgusting attempt to shut down any criticism people are giving against HoT by claiming that Anet has been so terribly hurt. And who are the people acting this way? The people defending HoT. It really is pathetic. Show some respect to Anet, they’re not pathetic enough to be crushed by mean wittle words

You guys are very good at using the “innocent victim” guise.

yes you got us, its a clever way to shut down criticism in disguise because naturally there is no way to criticism something without attacking and being hurtful to the people creating that something. Ergo if we get our way and people start simply being polite all criticism will seize.

dont try to justify being rude and hurtful with freedom of speech please. Being respectful doesn’t diminish communication in anyway in fact generally is quite the opposite. After all the saying goes “you catch more bees with honey” it doesnt say “you catch more bees with poison”

Lol what? I justify being rude and hurtful towards people who are knowingly being immoral and shameless people. Claiming victimhood is just that- it’s disgusting.

Mourningcry.9428:

Burden of proof is on the person putting forth the hypothesis, i.e. – you need to show a how you came to the conclusion that the two pricing structures are comparative.

And the fact is you are oversimplifying – " The American enconmy was worse back then" is the same as saying “Things are better today.”

Also, you’re again making assumptions about the financial status of Anet then and now, as well as their resources. It’d be just as easy to claim that they’re worse off now with respect to resources, market share, competitive advantage.

Simply put, you’re painting a perfect scenario to support your claims without offering anything more than your opinion on how things are or should be.

Getting conveniently specific, aren’t we? Don’t blame you though, you have no other option here.

GW2 is more successful than GW1 and one of the more popular MMOs right now, so competitive average is irrelevant here. The economy does matter when discussing this, especially since the IT sector back then was worse than it is now. With these two we can say that ArenaNet has more resources to produce content.

The only thing we don’t have information on is the market share difference of Anet from now to 10 years ago. So it may be different.

You’re conveniently asking for more and more specific things, when we can get a rough estimate from simple facts when it comes to Anet’s financial situation. We don’t need a full report as you keep pegging me into going into, knowing that obviously I can’t get that.

Chicho Gosho.6507:

- Both the apple and the orange are fruits. It doesn’t make them the same.
- By less than 50% i meant that you don’t know the rest of the specializations, guild hall info just got released, no info on the pve content, there were no betas yet, just stress tests on one part of one map. They are not remaining quiet, they are revealing information every week.

A metaphor? Really? They are in-game content, their quality and definition is the same.

-By less than 50% i meant that you don’t know the rest of the specializations, guild hall info just got released, no info on the pve content
Guild halls were in Factions, so it doesn’t matter. Also specializations will not equal the amount Factions offered.

Also you completely ignored the fact that Factions was made 1.5 years after GW1, while HoT is 3 years later GW2, with seeming to hold less content than Factions thus far.

Donari.5237:

This isn’t the first time I’ve read about how hurtful internet vitriol can be to game developers. I take it, Savior, that you wouldn’t mind being pelted with epithets and refuse each day as you walk to work. Since you’re not a delicate flower like those silly ANet devs.

Criticism is expected and encouraged. Harassment is not. In my state, Harassing Course of Conduct is worth a few months in jail (oddly, Harassing Phone Calls carries years in jail … ). Being hurt by hateful calumny doesn’t make you a wilting flower, it makes you a human being who cares what others think of you and your work.

The vast majority are not saying anything hurtful enough for it to be illegal.

It’s easy to claim to be truly hurt by words considering the grey area of the nature of “meaningful” offense, and it seems like many people are abusing that circumstance to direct the discussion of HoT away to pretending to be appalled by the “abuse” Anet is getting.

What do you think counts for “harassment” in the first place? Telling a game developer that their game is garbage is not harassment.

There are countless of those stereotypical pink-haired indie devs from san fran and cali that make games that are genuinely disliked by many that saying “hey your game is trash”, although vulgar and unnecessary, is pretty true. And then the same devs go onto certain websites complaining how gamers are so mean and entitled.

What’s worse is pretending to be so offended that you’ve become a broken human being, oblivious to the sheer amount of mental and physical pain and torture a human being can possibly deal- it makes you seem like babies that, frankly, need to get your %$*& together.

Xenon.4537:

Indeed I find the whole thing degrading to both Anet and the player base. Anet are not helpless victims. The are strong, self-sufficient adults like the rest of us. Likewise, the players are not rabid dogs lashing out with no cause. There are some very good points to be made. In fact Massively did a great article outlining most of it.

http://massivelyop.com/2015/06/18/why-guild-wars-2s-prepurchase-deal-has-the-internet-raging/

Playing the victim card is nothing more than an attempt to poison the community. It’s the same tactic politicians use when they call you racist for simply criticizing someone who happens to be a minority, even when your criticism has nothing to do with race. They use fear of association to make you stop complaining, and help silence the complaints, by associating those complaints with racism, sexism, or violence.

Yes, I very much agree my friend. It’s a really sick tactic. What’s more depressing is that the people who are using this on behalf of Anet (what’s funny is Anet isn’t even claiming to be a victim of anything) seem to be the type (from what I read of that post for example) to genuinely believe that they are the victims in this whole debacle.

Mourningcry.9428:

No, you’re oversimplifying. If you really want to try and make such a comparison, you’d need to bring in a whole host of associated costs, marketing factors, competition, etc. Cost doesn’t only relate to development/manufacture.

What you offer is pure conjecture regarding the past and present conditions in order to establish some link to validate an otherwise invalid comparison.

Please explain to me, given the equal economies and even higher previous success to fund for future projects, what such difference would there be.

It’s safe to assume given that GW2 is more successful than GW2, AND 10 years ago the American economy was probably worse especially for the IT sectors, that ArenaNet had more resources to develop content than they did before.

You can claim “oversimplified” to dismiss what I’m saying all you want, since it’s easy considering you definitely do need pages and pages or boring reports in order to accurately determine this issue, but you’re going to have to explain how there would be such a large difference in resources against present-day Anet given that Anet is in a much better financial place than they were during GW1.

Chicho Gosho.6507:

My post got an error so i’ll give you the short answer.
- It has been said million times already that the only GW1 expansion was EotN. Maybe try to compare those two.-
- You are comparing a complete product(Fractions) with a product that you have less than 50% of the info. It is clear what the outcome would be.
- The world “entitled” is used in arguments between new and veteran players, not the way you are thinking.

P.S. Nobody forces you to pre-purchase. If you do not like the information you have at the moment – wait.

- It doesn’t matter what you call it, and I never called Factions an expansion- I called it a sequel. They are both similar in that they give content to players at a price.
- Do you genuinely believe ANet has anything significantly more planned besides the big 3 that they announced? People have already playtested, and nothing much has been tested besides what Anet has promised. It is incredibly unlikely that Anet will give 50% more of what HoT already provides, otherwise they would have revealed.

Not only that, but Anet would’ve revealed more given such criticism they received for HoT. Instead, they’re remaining quiet. If you genuinely believe Anet has a secret cache of amazing content tucked inside HoT, well, I don’t know what to say to you.

- lol still a tumblr word, and a disgusting word to use regardless

Seera.5916:

No one, regardless of which side of the argument they fall on should tell people that they should be on their side. No matter how reasonable the argument is or isn’t.

Random.4691:

I agree with this statement, do not try and convince others, there is nothing wrong with a debate because maybe you learn something you did not know but its just silly to expect everyone to jump on board. Some agree some do not, take your stance on which ever side you want but we should be respectful of one anothers opinion.

Actually I disagree. It’s completely fine to tell people why they should believe you if you give an argument as to why they should believe you.

Actually, you can say that’s the entire purpose of debates and arguments.

There is nothing wrong in doing or saying anything if you can give a logical, sound argument for it.

I like how there’s no actual substance or argument in that and it appealed solely to emotion, acting one-sided as if Anet is this poor, delicate little flower who get’s easily hurt by criticism.

This is actually a disgusting attempt to shut down any criticism people are giving against HoT by claiming that Anet has been so terribly hurt. And who are the people acting this way? The people defending HoT. It really is pathetic. Show some respect to Anet, they’re not pathetic enough to be crushed by mean wittle words

You guys are very good at using the “innocent victim” guise.

Mourningcry.9428:

Referencing past products and pricing practices as a basis for current product,and arguably a vastly different product is not a valid argument.

I used to pay $2 to go the movies, now it’s easily $15-$20. Why should an IMAX experience cost 10x as much as the movies I used to watch?The movies are both made by Paramount, in fact some of them were even longer then 90min. Outrageous.

$50 is the current price of admission. What you got before has no bearing on what is being offered now.

It depends on how far back we’re talking about and the differences in prices and income between the two times. We’re talking about a 10 year differences from now, and wasn’t America worse economically 10 years ago? And didn’t ArenaNet have even more resources from GW1 to make GW2 than they had resources to make GW1?

If so, we can say that the means to make the product, expansions (we’re not talking about anything critically different- we’re still talking about in-game content) are pretty much equal to now as they were 10 years ago, if not easier.

Seera.5916:

So you’re telling those who say that the pricing is fine off for trying to get people to believe their side, but then doing the same thing but for the opposing side……

People should make their own minds up based on the evidence available. Not because someone else said they should be on one side or the other.

Read carefully, that’s not what I said. I was criticizing those people telling people how they should feel without giving any coherent argument. If you tell people why they should believe this or that and give them reasons why they should believe that, then that’s fine. But getting mad, defensive, and calling people entitled because you haven’t even played GW1 before GW2 was even announced but defending HoT as if you know the history of Anet is especially wrong.

This goes for both sides of course.

Before I start this I’m sorry for being so critical, but as a veteran GW1 player all I wanted to see of Anet and GW2 was to be at least equal to what they were during GW1’s time.

Now, for those of you telling people to stop reacting negatively towards a product (HoT) that they want but see that the pricing is ridiculous, who are you exactly to do that?

Those of you who tell people that they should be okay with the pricing (when clearly they shouldn’t, and I’ll explain why) by using tumblr words like “entitled” without giving a coherent argument in the first place are directly disrespecting the moral right for the person, the consumer, to choose and criticize as he wishes.

Argument againt the pricing of HoT
Here’s a good argument as to why being against the pricing of HoT is justified, specifically looking at the main characteristics that come with HoT- maps and professions:

GW1- the price of Factions 1.5 years later of GW1’s release was $50, with it came a 4 large regions (larger than the regions, or maps, of HoT) and 2 new professions.

GW2- the price of HoT 3 years later of GW2’s release is $50, with it comes 3 maps under a region, and 1 new profession.

I’m giving HoT an advantage here considering Factions had 200+ more quests and around 15 story missions, and I’m sure HoT will have less than even 50. Not only are the regions of Factions bigger than the maps of HoT, there is more content. All that, for the equal price of $50.

If you STILL think that that’s not much of a big difference, and to argue the integrity of Anet towards GW2 OVER the integrity they had for GW1, in 3 years time you should be expecting the 2nd expansion of GW2 with more content if you compare GW2 with GW1. The living story argument doesn’t work either considering GW1 prophecies had more quests than GW1 had in a span of 1.5 years.
Anet came up with a GW1 expansion/sequel with more content since GW1 release in half the time of GW2’s expansion that has less content. So for those of you defending Anet from “attackers” insisting that Anet “poured” their passion and heart into HoT, although that may be true, there is nowhere near the passion and heart in HoT that they put in the entirety of GW1. You should have received HoT 1.5 years ago from HoT’s coming release!

Pandeh.5248:

Not worth 50 bucks.

Have we seen all the content? It sure seems that way by you all who complain about it. Myself, I think and am pretty sure we have not.

We don’t need to see all the content to determine whether or not there is enough for us or not. That’s because they told us there would be 3 “big” maps, 1 new profession, and new skills.

Anyone who believes 3 maps, a profession, and new skills is enough content to be considered an expansion is pretty blind.

What you shills don’t understand is that the consumer can choose and complain however they wish.

You are nobody to tell people to stop whining, especially when the reasons are justified.

In 3 years you are getting one profession, some skills in all other professions, and 3 maps. If you think that’s worth $50, you as a consumer are not very bright, no offense.

This is why I believe people are genuinely upset with HoT, and those of you genuinely wondering as to why people are disappointed not only with HoT itself, but with the pricing, let me give you an example what Nightfall offered Guild Wars 1 back in the good ol’ days:

-2 new professions
-a map among the largest in video games by itself
-54 explorable areas… 54
-460 NEW SKILLS (although many of them were useless, there were still more useful skills than there are coming from HoT)
-15 heroes
-20 new story missions
-3 challenge missions
-a new elite mission
-a massive post-game super-hard region with four areas and an overall boss which can only be beaten after conquering all four areas and concludes the aftermath of the story
-over 250 quests, Drakes on the Plain
-a whole new PvP mode
-and a dozen armor sets for every profession, not inferior outfits
$50

And what do you get in HoT?

-1 region of 3 maps, but the 3 maps are nowhere near big enough to equal the size of Nightfall, so you have no argument here
-1 new class
-1 PvP esports mode
-Guild Halls, which should’ve been here long ago, so do not consider this as a generous gift on behalf of Anet
$50

Before you use the word “entitled” as a desperate attempt to shut down people criticizing HoT while at the same time telling the consumer what he/she should want, actually compare the update, expansion, new game, whatever you want to call HoT and Nightfall, and look at the differences.

GW1 had Factions, a new game in itself, 1.5 years into GW1’s life, and after 3 years later of GW2 you have an expansion dwarfed by the size of Factions and Nightfall games.