Guild Wars 2

Tbh I think you read the TLDR and not the whole post.

This is not to be a replacement for WvW but a bi-monthly event to run along side it. It is a event mode for people who want to push a competitive edge without having to server transfer, because believe it or not some people like to stay on their servers! but sometimes that restricts them from competing with the best players.

Now I can understand your point because I myself prefer to PPT rather than GvG but I am also aware that they are a core player base and we don’t want to loose them from the game.

Also I am not in any way suggesting to remove normal WvW or servers. They remain the same and and run constantly as normal. People who do not want to join the Campaign can remain in normal WvW.
It will give them a break from the Hardcore types but not separate them completely as everyone is back in WvW as normal during the off week.

Now this game mode is aimed at bringing a competitive edge to WvW, something with high risk, high reward. The PPT/PPK ratio can be adjusted, these figures above are just examples.

I’ll state it again, standard WvW does not change (other than bringing in a reward vendor to entice people to play more) and remains as it always has. This game mode is to run along side it not take away from it.

I’m hoping as well that the reward vendor suggested will help breathe life into standard WvW PPT.

Standard WvW

While the campaigns are aimed at the dedicated WvW players, we cannot neglect the casual and PvE orientated players (nor expect Anet to do that).
WvW participation has fallen off greatly in the last few years and it needs incentives to entice PvE and PvP players to join.

We suggest increasing WvW participation by adding in a victory/participation based reward. This would be PvE based to attract players such as victory grants the winning server access to a special vendor that sells the PvE Raid loot at a discount (and for proof of heroics + Badges?)

Of course you would need to have enough participation to be able to access the vendor, e.g. complete 1 full reward track in WvW.

Standard WvW would run as normal every week, even when the campaign is running, but campaign players will not be able to participate in standard WvW during a campaign. This allows players who do not wish to spend gems to continue playing WvW, whole also giving the casual players a break from the hardcore. But as there is a down weak between campaigns, casual and hardcore are not permanently separated.

Of course when I say 3 factions this may not be enough, there may be a huge demand for this game mode, but this is something Anet can monitor and add additional tiers, having more than one campaign matchup.

This of course isn’t a perfect idea or solution and needs community input. What are your thoughts? Maybe with constructive discussions we can get Anet to listen? Right? Right?!?!

TLDR:
3 Factions – Green / Blue / Red

Must sign up to chosen faction, 100 gems per person to join. (or maybe more than 100 gems?)

Campaigns last for one week, active every other week (1-week downtime in between campaigns)

Factions have a population cap, if one faction has 100 more people than the others it is locked until the others catch up.

Winner is decided on a PPT and PPK bases, both counting for 50% of the win score. (this is to encourage and attract PPT play and not only hardcore GvG style).
Incentives are need to encourage players: Winning faction players get free entry into the next Campaign plus all rewards from their chosen track reward. Second place gets all rewards from their chosen track reward and third gets 50% of their chosen track. (tracks for winning reward are chosen upon entering WvW for the first time that week.)

Desert borderland map is removed and alpine maps used only. Orbs returned to Alpine maps! Arrow cart damage reduced by 50% (the aim of the factions and player caps on them is to balance the fight, overpowered arrowcarts should not be needed as players should not be heavily outmanned).

Incentivise standard (non-campaign) WvW participation by adding in a victory/participation based reward. This would be PvE based to attract players such as victory grants access to a special vendor that sells the PvE Raid loot at a discount.

Hey Guys,

Having discussed with my fellow players and ex-players what they would like to see in WvW to keep them playing / bring them back, we have thrown together this idea. Let us know your thoughts and give us some constructive feedback. It is just a base idea at the moment and needs input!

The concept is an accumulation of parts, so I’ll break them down individually here.

Campaigns

Campaigns are a week long WvW battle between the factions. Similar to standard WvW but with a few changes to attract players.

The Campaigns will Last one week only and have an off week in between, so the campaigns themselves will only occur every other week (twice a month).

Winning the campaign will be similar to standard WvW, based on a PPT and PPK system. (both counting towards 50% of the victory)
The mixture of both PPT and PPK is to promote the PPT playstyle and not only the GvG style, while still allowing the GvG style to have a say in winning the match.

The campaigns will have slightly different features to standard WvW such as 100% reduced arrowcart damage, see incentives below.

Factions

In general the server format is somewhat obsolete now. There are huge population imbalances and it is impossible for some servers to compete, even with the linking!

Our suggestion is to introduce Faction based WvW: Green, Blue & Red Factions.
Players will be able to sign up to these factions at the start of every campaign, but at a cost of 100gems (this could be increased as 100 may be too low? Anet need an incentive to do this after all!)

It does not matter what server you are on, you can choose to join any faction, but there will need to be an imbalance soft cap; Once one faction has 100 more players than the other, it is locked until the others catch up. This should ensure a similar population and timezone coverage for all factions.

After the one week campaign is over, players will be removed from the faction and will be free to choose a new faction at the start of the next campaign.

Incentives and Rewards

Incentives and rewards are required not only for the benefit of the current players, but also to help attract old players back to the game, many of whom left due to the changes in WvW.

Maps:
In general the Desert Borderland map is seen as a failure and most WvW players avoid it like a plague.
Our suggestion is to remove the Desert BL from the Campaigns and use only the Alpine maps. This will satisfy a lot of WvW players as the team with the Desert BL as their home border currently have an easy time defending it.

Bring back the Orbs to the Borderlands!
The orbs were a fantastic part of the game when they were around, a justification for long sieges and open field fights. We understand they were removed due to hacking, but a combination of community reporting and a reduction in active hackers will allow for the return of the orbs, and all the fun that they bring. (with the factions being population soft capped, being outmanned will hopefully not be an issue and you will not lose your captured orbs easily).

Arrowcarts
Reduce Arrowcart damage.
The buff to arrowcarts was brought in to help outmanned servers defend against larger numbers. But now with the factions being closes balanced, there should hopefully be less population imbalance and outnumbering. This will allow for Arrowcarts to have their damaged nerfed by 50%.
They will still be effective sustain damage (enough to swing a fight) but it also means people will need to step up and fight to defend their towers, not just hide behind siege.

Rewards
WvW players deserve a proper reward for the time and effort they put in.
Our suggestions here need your input and discussion, but also remember that the rewards cannot be too overpowered or unfair. Anet will never buy into that, we need to be realistic.
Our suggestions are:

Winning faction:
All players in the winning faction will receive the favour of the mists. This will allow them free entry into the next campaign (remove the gem cost of joining for the next campaign only).
Players will also receive all rewards from their chosen track reward (track for the reward is chosen upon entering WvW for the first time at the start of each campaign.

Second place
All players in the faction that comes second will receive all rewards from their chosen track reward. (again this is chosen at the start of the campaign).

Third Place
All players in the faction that comes third will receive 50% of the rewards from their chosen track.

Note: In order to be eligible for the rewards, all players must have completed at least 1 reward track in WvW during the campaign. Less participation than this will prohibit the player from receiving any rewards.

Just make it Faction based?

Three factions that players can join, and force a transfer limit to make sure the numbers stay the same. Only allow transfers once a month? but restrict the transfers to ensure there is no bandwagoning. Promote a faction pride rather than server pride (hell, there is not enough players on the servers for server pride any more).

Then find rewards that are PvP orientated to promote winning. Special titles and skins, even if they are only temporary, even gold. Hell kitten alone is usually enough of a reward for most people who enjoy PvP. Killing the enemy in a good fight is worth more than a reward for capping an empty tower.

WvW needs to be separated from PvE like SPvP is. Anet have created the best large scale PvP mode out there, and they neglect it and treat it as if its an extra to PvE.

pot.6805:

It is nice to know the IRON crew still thinks of me and misses me so much <3

BG’s trolling is really subpar when your not around.

Can’t you host something like a server wide troll training class?

Titan.3472:

Lol at 4000 members … My source informed me that was more like between 300 and 400 unless you gave your tag to every pugs you meet anywhere…
This kind of childish lies show how trustworthy are their members. At least they believe they are good… Nobody else do XD Why? Are you a WvW guild working for your server weekly match ppt and win : you stated you rank fights over ppt and dont care of WvW but more of GvG… Are you somehow high ranked in GvG ? Not even. Do your members are high ranked in spvp : no. Are they able to complete fotm 40+? : no. Are they dodging? no. But they use TS and have a nice tag that make them belive not to be any longer pugs, to be fair they are sweeter lootbags with this tag up there^^. So everything you keep doing is bragging on fake assumption about how great is Iron (with the equivalent of the half of Monaco states amount population as members) but you are a joke to many old timber harcore pvp gamers like me and many others.
Much respect to any of you who are worth it (so few :p), no consideration for others.

pop-corn

PS: if Iron loose their few commanders left they won’t go anywhere in wvw. Their commanders are their only experimented people.

Pot can you show this guy how to troll properly hes embarrassing himself

YOUR DRUNK TITAN GO HOME BUDDY!

Shout out to merc and rise, the only BG guilds I have met who warrant any from of respect.

PS. I apologise for Wrex’s previous post, Its embarrassing to IRON’s troll reputation. Allow me to ammend:

Try coming out of your towers once in a while BG. The only time I see you out of them is during SEA and Oceanic when u 1000man map blob every map all at once, and even then you still drop field siege.

But don’t worry IRON are mass recruiting. We are about to absorb the entire Vizunah Square server into our guild, then we are coming for your doors!

Waage looking forward to jumping on your head some more.. Its nice and squishy and with each jump an extra loot bag pops out of your rear

Tyler Chapman.1832:

If you have an issue with this new quality of life improvement you are not required to use it. Go ahead and turn off ‘Effect LOD’ in the graphics settings.

You really don’t understand how game breaking this issue is.

We literally cannot see any of the spell effects, nor the red circles from them.
It makes commanding an absolute nightmare, especially when you are running with 25-30 people against 70+. Movement is everything for a smaller group! Imagine (because you clearly don’t play WvW so you will have to imagne this) not being able to see your own water fields, nor the enemy static fields, lines of warding, sanctuary, or even ground targeted aoe’s. How can you possibly expect us to take on larger groups when we cannot move or even regroup safely?

The ‘Effect LOD’ setting does not make any difference to this issue.

This issue is literally breaking the game, and turning it into ‘which blob hits first wins’. Small groups are being killed off by this.
Fix this fast or you will loose even more WvW players (not that you care).

On a side thought: This is probably a stealth buff for arrowcarts, can’t see the circles!

Kathy K.6812:

HB= 15-20 players

IRON= 200+

Not sure why you would give such a small guild so much attention, especially in a time slot where SoR is the clear winner

Only 15-20? http://i.imgur.com/Mqrj4fv.jpg

Iron do not have 200+ members, gotta love where you pull these numbers from.
We run with 30-40 people, with that falling back to around 25 after 10.30 BST.

And HB give good fights, thats why they get our attention. Its just a shame its so hard to get them to fight, and when they do its always with a blob I dont mind the numbers.. its that dam lag!

Cheers for the fights TW. Most fun I’ve had since we moved here.
Shame that connection error got us before the last fight
Now i can’t get back in game!

It was a great experience though!
See you back on SoR tomorrow Now its time to go win the Gold Medal

showatt.9413:

Masori.3528:

Man refreshing the topic and went back a page. Moderators are busy bees again.

Anyways you should know that wrex was doing this for the laugh and trying to get some fights. Instead of the cat and mouse games.

And he chose a really poor way to do it.

You know, I have always hated JQQ. I think they’re the biggest bunch of whiners around and i love seeing them lose but the rubbish that comes out of your guildies’ mouths are pretty cringeworthy considering you’ve just transferred and already you’re acting like you carry the server while SoR had been competent to begin with.

Winning, losing, it don’t matter. I’ve seen server come and go, from back when Henge was dominating to the rise of JQ to SoS. Look at Kaineng and where they are now. Nobody wins forever. No one lose forever. The only thing that matters is how you present yourselves. Sure, it’s all for giggles. Sure it was just trolling to get the blood pumping. That doesn’t stop you from being a prik though.

There are better ways to go about getting a fight; being a forum warrior isn’t one of them.

My god, I have facepalm irl every time i see a reply like this.
Do people really get this kitten over a bit of trolling? or are you guys new to the internet?

These posts were made for the lols, to make people want to come and smash us in the face And for the Challenges to fight your SEA guilds: We will happily fight anyone who is up for it. Fighting is what we play this game for. But our players are at work when its your prime time (and vice versa/sleeping). Maybe well be able to work something out, but i do hope JQ and BG get some EU guilds (it will be interesting to see what happens on the 28th though).

As for carrying SoR, you will not find anyone in IRON who says we carry this server, in fact we openly state that the work is done by the guilds and community already here.

And gratz SoR for another win this week. Its a pleasure to fight with you.

Aikanaro.2609:

Looks like VS weekly wednesday raid is now live: a huge blob (not less than 50-60) is tearing apart all the maps, focusing green points. I’m okay with that, but beeing outmanned at this time of day is sad thing.
But 2vs1 is more saddest. Like that
http://i.imgur.com/okge9AQ.jpg
poor VS guys can’t capture the tower alone, so brave and kind IRON helps them. Many times. I’m okay when one server is attacking one side of the keep, and another doing the same at their side, but this is funny.
http://i.imgur.com/nQM4QX9.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/NyUZ8kJ.jpg
Guess who stays on the wall, and who are not?
No hate, cheers.

You are taking misleading pics to suit your argument The first pic is from SFR border last night, It was our tower and you attacked it while we were attacking viz in garrison. We pulled off garrison to defend Cragtop but viz got there before us. The pic you are showing here is the Viz who managed to get in & us ramming the door down to get inside to join the fight

The other pics look to be from deso bl (im not sure) These look to be a simple case of one server breaking into your keep and the other joining in trying to ninja the cap. you can call this a 2v1, but the difference is that this a tactical 2v1 not an organised 2v1. Tactical 2v1 is were all servers are out to kill each other and cap the point. Organised 2v1 is were 2 servers actively avoid each other and focus down the 3rd server.

TL:DR it is easy to post random pics to suit an argument of 2v1, but please get your facts straight before calling out a guild on doing it

Don’t worry guys he can use the gold from those exotics to re-upgrade the t3 garri and tower he lost. I thought better of VcY than to come and whine on the forums, but I guess i was wrong.

PS. Ty for the 427 badges tonight. not bad for a few hours

for some reason it is doubling my post cant fix it

Empyre.2531:

Wolbryne.4037:

Empyre.2531:

Wolbryne.4037:

I don’t want to ever see RG whine on the forums about blobs anymore. you’re running with 5 guilds and pugs atm kinda hypocritical considering all your QQ’s about that exact thing

We’re only 20 RG in the zone atm. Dunno what you on about.

lol. that post actually made me laugh. rg zerg + rnv + 3 other guilds + pugs in your blob on deso. I know your “glorious leader” tells you all to spread his nonsense crap about how you’re 12 people and everyone else is 200+. but we know what we saw and you can’t deny that you had a huge blob on deso lol. wiped you a few times and made you run back into bay. was fun, I’m not complaining. just saying that your whining about blobs has turned into hypocritical blabbing now since you’re doing it yourselves.

time to give the wife my time now so ’night to everything gw2-related

Mate, you got 38+ IRON and another 12+ pugs on your teamspeak. Plus those that tag along without joining comms. You stood outside the keep with 50+ trying to blobb our 23.
So yes, we called the zone and gave you a taste of your own medicine. Resulting in a clear wipe with equal numbers (was 23 RG + ~15-20 RNV + ~10 BG) and IRON ending the official raid.

As Cyril said, the offer for an equal number GvG is still open.

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Also as you can take from Genev’s post, an actual Desolation player, we fought all evening alone and only gathered a few “pugs we didn’t want to send away” to assist us in combat.

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Sethanon Stormrage.6721:

http://i.imgur.com/6WuLypd.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Il7mXKe.jpg

there was more than 20 but not complaining, had great fun. Cheers for the fights & shout out to OPT and MOS for the fights all week.

More then 20 players, yes. Not more then 23 RG. You see we can play your game as well.

Not complaining, I enjoyed the fights. I prefer them if I’m honest. I was commanding and it ended because I have work in the morning. Everyone else went to EB, go there if you want to continue the fight.

Call for GvG all you want but IRON will fight you when we eventually get a GvG team up be patient.

However.. how did you possible know our TS numbers? Do i smell a spy? nice tactics there brah.

However.. how did you possible know our TS numbers? Do i smell a spy? nice tactics there brah.As for our numbers, how do you know how many are AFK, are lookouts in keeps, are in EB, or have logged off already but not left TS, how many are in PVE, how many are in the Queue. We don’t run like a military unit, we don’t do events and are not as strict as you. Its an open TS and we let our community join us, but now it looks like you are spying on us

BUT.. we take it as a compliment that you guys are so bitter at the fact that we wiped the floor with you last night over and over…

BUT.. we take it as a compliment that you guys are so bitter at the fact that we wiped the floor with you last night over and over…Talk all the bullkitten you need to on the forums to keep the propaganda up.. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

http://i.imgur.com/6WuLypd.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Il7mXKe.jpg

there was more than 20 but not complaining, had great fun. Cheers for the fights & shout out to OPT and MOS for the fights all week.