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I have the best wvw roaming build
power, can 1vx, great for small group roaming, and alspo tags entire zergs, great stealth access, big damage.
Stats are 2300 power, 2900 armor, 20k hp 200% crit dmg 50.00% crit chance 180 heal power 0 condi dmg. oh, it completely relies on the 63% base boon duri with the concentration sigil, rock out those 100% boons.
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Well have that philosphy youll always lose ina 1v1 to me if you do
Difference being stats give unfair advantage in pvp modes like wvw
You’ve made this claim a few times. Can you please give a definitive example?
You seem to have one in mind if you so firmly believe this, so it might help the conversation to know more of where you’re coming from.
~EW
Mathmaticalkly speaking, higher stat pool = advantage
You can get Mauraders w/o stepping foot in HoT, as well as Celestial… both have higher stat pools.
So again, a definitive example please?
~EW
My point was right, you must know that not all builds work best of marauders and celestial right? Take your point about marauder and celestial, which both do give advantages and then apply the same with crusaders trailbladers minstrels and so on and so forth. (I’m speaking trinkets earrings rings amulet, you cant get these outside of HoT, bar the amulet of salt from pvp which was actually changed by anert to not include HoT stats, funny huh) EVERYONE can use celestial with laurels, so this does not count, people who raid get all the other higher stat pool combo’s, thats the issue.
No, what you said was “higher stat pool = advantage,” and I showed you can get equal or higher stat pool outside HoT numerically.
What you MEANT was having a larger pool of stat sets to choose from gives you the advantage. To this I also disagree. While people generally want to select the stats that work best for the build, it can also go the other way: You can choose a build to take full advantage of the stats you have available.
It might not be as fun that way, but we’re talking pure numerical advantages. You can get a numerically equal or superior stat pool outside HoT to those stats exclusive to HoT, and then build your character around that stat pool. There exists no advantage in HoT stats, only diversity of builds.
~EW
As someone who has theorycrafted roaming builds since beta i can say youre wrong here.
Difference being stats give unfair advantage in pvp modes like wvw
You’ve made this claim a few times. Can you please give a definitive example?
You seem to have one in mind if you so firmly believe this, so it might help the conversation to know more of where you’re coming from.
~EW
Mathmaticalkly speaking, higher stat pool = advantage
You can get Mauraders w/o stepping foot in HoT, as well as Celestial… both have higher stat pools.
So again, a definitive example please?
~EW
My point was right, you must know that not all builds work best of marauders and celestial right? Take your point about marauder and celestial, which both do give advantages and then apply the same with crusaders trailbladers minstrels and so on and so forth. (I’m speaking trinkets earrings rings amulet, you cant get these outside of HoT, bar the amulet of salt from pvp which was actually changed by anert to not include HoT stats, funny huh) EVERYONE can use celestial with laurels, so this does not count, people who raid get all the other higher stat pool combo’s, thats the issue.
Difference being stats give unfair advantage in pvp modes like wvw
You’ve made this claim a few times. Can you please give a definitive example?
You seem to have one in mind if you so firmly believe this, so it might help the conversation to know more of where you’re coming from.
~EW
Mathmaticalkly speaking, higher stat pool = advantage
It’t not about being able to participate. I could use no gear and participate, lmao.
It’s about fairness in aquiring things, why should only those who raid have access?What does that have to do with fairness? It’s an incentive to raid.
People who do fractals will only have access to fractal back pieces. People who run Silverwastes will only have access to Luminescent armor. People who run Drytop will only have access to Ambrite weapons. There are places where you can only get certain things from them. Should all items and achievements be made available to all game modes? That doesn’t seem remotely reasonable.
Difference being stats give unfair advantage in pvp modes like wvw
It doesn’t, and, in 1v1 WvW neither does a specific stat set necessarily. There are ways to get what you need stat-wise without sacrificing much at all, leaving you at most with a very slight disadvantage. That’s assuming nobody comes to your aid or they don’t trip up and miss a heal. At best, there are maybe 3 accessories with these rare stats you can’t get unless you raid.
If it makes you feel better, I’ve been an advocate of standardized armor in WvW like they have in PvP; everyone picks an amulet, runes, and sigils and that’s it.
Good idea, but allow all of it to be selected fromt he pool that exists in pve, having pvp stats in wvw would be boring as hell.
It’t not about being able to participate. I could use no gear and participate, lmao.
It’s about fairness in aquiring things, why should only those who raid have access?What does that have to do with fairness? It’s an incentive to raid.
People who do fractals will only have access to fractal back pieces. People who run Silverwastes will only have access to Luminescent armor. People who run Drytop will only have access to Ambrite weapons. There are places where you can only get certain things from them. Should all items and achievements be made available to all game modes? That doesn’t seem remotely reasonable.
Difference being stats give unfair advantage in pvp modes like wvw tell me how fractal backpiece helps u win at a certain game mode?
Barred from equallity in wvw as im versing people who have raid stats
I don’t understand because I’ve WvWed and it’s not based on 1v1 it’s server vs server. The odds of anyone ending up with someone with the exact same skills and exact same build the exact same connection, the exact same computer specs are negliable.
By your rights the game is pay to win because I live in Australia and my ping is higher than in the US and so I can’t play the game without paying real money and moving to the US because I’m disadvantaged.
Where as in Rift, if I didn’t have the required focus provided by gear, I couldn’t even queue for the content I wanted to play. The game prevented you from queueing.
You may want that stuff, but you don’t need it to play. You only strongly believe you do.
If it’s important enough to you, you will grind. A legendary is important to me so I’ll grind for it. That’s how the game works.It’s your choice to play that content with other stats, you choose not to.
I dont run around brain dead in a zerg of 50 people, i roam, solo or as a small group, stats matter in these situations.
To you. Stats don’t matter to me. See how easy this is?
Matter to you or not the fact remains that this is leaving people who raid with an advantage.
Which is irrelevant to whether or not you need it. That’s the point. You say if someone has an advantage no matter how slight that you need to do it. That’s not fact, it’s opinion. You want to do it. You choose to do it.
Anet said before launch WvW was not meant to be balanced that way. You think it is but it’s not. It’s not balanced on 1v1. In fact, nothing in the game is actually balanced on 1v1, so the whole concept is just something in your mind. You think it must be this way.
But if the game isn’t balanced on 1v1 then it’s not a requirement…it’s a preference.
No its still a fact that its an unfair advantage, can apply it to top dps in pve too. lelelelelee
That may or may not be a fact, but you still aren’t forced to grind. You can factually still play WvW without having that set of gear, unlike other games which force you to grind. It’s the difference.
Put it another way. My end game might say I must have the coolest legendary because it looks coolest. I have to have it. It’s a must to me. But that doesn’t mean I’m forced to grind that legendary. I can play all the content in the game without it.
You’d have a point if you couldn’t play that content. Fractals does force you to grind to play the highest levels and it was designed for the crowd who wants to grind.
But this, this is still your decision, disadvantage or not.
Comparing cosmetics to actual stat pool is ridiculous. fact.
I can’t raid becaue i don’t have pve gear, i would ahve to spend loads of gold making a new set. So yeah, forced to raid and grind to get what i need prevent being ata disadvantage.This game is often called Fashion Wars 2. I’ve never heard it called stat wars 2. Are you suggesting if you don’t have those stats you crave, you absolutely can’t beat a guy who does?
You’ve never heard of stat wars two :O? so you must never have been ina raid, or a dungeon or anythignwher epeople say ping gear
Often the more specialized you are in a field, the less able you are to see clearly. That is to say, you’re so focused on one thing that nothing else is an argument except your focus. The problem is your comments can only be proven if you axiomatically accept the basis that everyone is on an even footing to begin with. It’s not true.
There are lots of people I could probably beat in PvP, and when my ping hovers around 200 I often do. Those same people, when my ping hovers around 400 kick my kitten , because they have an advantage. This isn’t the olympics. WvW is not an esport. There was never any guarantee everyone would be even in the first place, but in a game with this many variables, there’s very much no way two people are going to be equal no matter what gear they have.
This is an illusion carried over from other games were stats are the be all end all. Technique here is often as or more important than just stats. As for insulting me, that’s okay. It usually is what people do when they lose arguments.
Notice, I didn’t have to resort to personal insults to make a point.
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I googled Guild Wars 2 “stat wars 2” btw and got 2 results.
Try googling Guild Wars 2 “fashion wars 2” and see how many results you get.One of us should do more research before accusing someone of ignorance.
i didnt insult you. i made the point that youre mentioning irrelivent things like skins lol. no matter what stats are what matters in roaming.
Barred from equallity in wvw as im versing people who have raid stats
I don’t understand because I’ve WvWed and it’s not based on 1v1 it’s server vs server. The odds of anyone ending up with someone with the exact same skills and exact same build the exact same connection, the exact same computer specs are negliable.
By your rights the game is pay to win because I live in Australia and my ping is higher than in the US and so I can’t play the game without paying real money and moving to the US because I’m disadvantaged.
Where as in Rift, if I didn’t have the required focus provided by gear, I couldn’t even queue for the content I wanted to play. The game prevented you from queueing.
You may want that stuff, but you don’t need it to play. You only strongly believe you do.
If it’s important enough to you, you will grind. A legendary is important to me so I’ll grind for it. That’s how the game works.It’s your choice to play that content with other stats, you choose not to.
I dont run around brain dead in a zerg of 50 people, i roam, solo or as a small group, stats matter in these situations.
To you. Stats don’t matter to me. See how easy this is?
Matter to you or not the fact remains that this is leaving people who raid with an advantage.
Which is irrelevant to whether or not you need it. That’s the point. You say if someone has an advantage no matter how slight that you need to do it. That’s not fact, it’s opinion. You want to do it. You choose to do it.
Anet said before launch WvW was not meant to be balanced that way. You think it is but it’s not. It’s not balanced on 1v1. In fact, nothing in the game is actually balanced on 1v1, so the whole concept is just something in your mind. You think it must be this way.
But if the game isn’t balanced on 1v1 then it’s not a requirement…it’s a preference.
No its still a fact that its an unfair advantage, can apply it to top dps in pve too. lelelelelee
That may or may not be a fact, but you still aren’t forced to grind. You can factually still play WvW without having that set of gear, unlike other games which force you to grind. It’s the difference.
Put it another way. My end game might say I must have the coolest legendary because it looks coolest. I have to have it. It’s a must to me. But that doesn’t mean I’m forced to grind that legendary. I can play all the content in the game without it.
You’d have a point if you couldn’t play that content. Fractals does force you to grind to play the highest levels and it was designed for the crowd who wants to grind.
But this, this is still your decision, disadvantage or not.
Comparing cosmetics to actual stat pool is ridiculous. fact.
I can’t raid becaue i don’t have pve gear, i would ahve to spend loads of gold making a new set. So yeah, forced to raid and grind to get what i need prevent being ata disadvantage.This game is often called Fashion Wars 2. I’ve never heard it called stat wars 2. Are you suggesting if you don’t have those stats you crave, you absolutely can’t beat a guy who does?
You’ve never heard of stat wars two :O? so you must never have been ina raid, or a dungeon or anythignwher epeople say ping gear? well, i guess you should stop commenting then because you clearly do not know anythign about this game.
Barred from equallity in wvw as im versing people who have raid stats
I don’t understand because I’ve WvWed and it’s not based on 1v1 it’s server vs server. The odds of anyone ending up with someone with the exact same skills and exact same build the exact same connection, the exact same computer specs are negliable.
By your rights the game is pay to win because I live in Australia and my ping is higher than in the US and so I can’t play the game without paying real money and moving to the US because I’m disadvantaged.
Where as in Rift, if I didn’t have the required focus provided by gear, I couldn’t even queue for the content I wanted to play. The game prevented you from queueing.
You may want that stuff, but you don’t need it to play. You only strongly believe you do.
If it’s important enough to you, you will grind. A legendary is important to me so I’ll grind for it. That’s how the game works.It’s your choice to play that content with other stats, you choose not to.
I dont run around brain dead in a zerg of 50 people, i roam, solo or as a small group, stats matter in these situations.
To you. Stats don’t matter to me. See how easy this is?
Matter to you or not the fact remains that this is leaving people who raid with an advantage.
Which is irrelevant to whether or not you need it. That’s the point. You say if someone has an advantage no matter how slight that you need to do it. That’s not fact, it’s opinion. You want to do it. You choose to do it.
Anet said before launch WvW was not meant to be balanced that way. You think it is but it’s not. It’s not balanced on 1v1. In fact, nothing in the game is actually balanced on 1v1, so the whole concept is just something in your mind. You think it must be this way.
But if the game isn’t balanced on 1v1 then it’s not a requirement…it’s a preference.
No its still a fact that its an unfair advantage, can apply it to top dps in pve too. lelelelelee
That may or may not be a fact, but you still aren’t forced to grind. You can factually still play WvW without having that set of gear, unlike other games which force you to grind. It’s the difference.
Put it another way. My end game might say I must have the coolest legendary because it looks coolest. I have to have it. It’s a must to me. But that doesn’t mean I’m forced to grind that legendary. I can play all the content in the game without it.
You’d have a point if you couldn’t play that content. Fractals does force you to grind to play the highest levels and it was designed for the crowd who wants to grind.
But this, this is still your decision, disadvantage or not.
Comparing cosmetics to actual stat pool is ridiculous. fact.
I can’t raid becaue i don’t have pve gear, i would ahve to spend loads of gold making a new set. So yeah, forced to raid and grind to get what i need to prevent being at a disadvantage.
Barred from equallity in wvw as im versing people who have raid stats
I don’t understand because I’ve WvWed and it’s not based on 1v1 it’s server vs server. The odds of anyone ending up with someone with the exact same skills and exact same build the exact same connection, the exact same computer specs are negliable.
By your rights the game is pay to win because I live in Australia and my ping is higher than in the US and so I can’t play the game without paying real money and moving to the US because I’m disadvantaged.
Where as in Rift, if I didn’t have the required focus provided by gear, I couldn’t even queue for the content I wanted to play. The game prevented you from queueing.
You may want that stuff, but you don’t need it to play. You only strongly believe you do.
If it’s important enough to you, you will grind. A legendary is important to me so I’ll grind for it. That’s how the game works.It’s your choice to play that content with other stats, you choose not to.
I dont run around brain dead in a zerg of 50 people, i roam, solo or as a small group, stats matter in these situations.
To you. Stats don’t matter to me. See how easy this is?
Matter to you or not the fact remains that this is leaving people who raid with an advantage.
Which is irrelevant to whether or not you need it. That’s the point. You say if someone has an advantage no matter how slight that you need to do it. That’s not fact, it’s opinion. You want to do it. You choose to do it.
Anet said before launch WvW was not meant to be balanced that way. You think it is but it’s not. It’s not balanced on 1v1. In fact, nothing in the game is actually balanced on 1v1, so the whole concept is just something in your mind. You think it must be this way.
But if the game isn’t balanced on 1v1 then it’s not a requirement…it’s a preference.
No its still a fact that its an unfair advantage, can apply it to top dps in pve too. lelelelelee
Barred from equallity in wvw as im versing people who have raid stats
I don’t understand because I’ve WvWed and it’s not based on 1v1 it’s server vs server. The odds of anyone ending up with someone with the exact same skills and exact same build the exact same connection, the exact same computer specs are negliable.
By your rights the game is pay to win because I live in Australia and my ping is higher than in the US and so I can’t play the game without paying real money and moving to the US because I’m disadvantaged.
Where as in Rift, if I didn’t have the required focus provided by gear, I couldn’t even queue for the content I wanted to play. The game prevented you from queueing.
You may want that stuff, but you don’t need it to play. You only strongly believe you do.
If it’s important enough to you, you will grind. A legendary is important to me so I’ll grind for it. That’s how the game works.It’s your choice to play that content with other stats, you choose not to.
I dont run around brain dead in a zerg of 50 people, i roam, solo or as a small group, stats matter in these situations.
To you. Stats don’t matter to me. See how easy this is?
Matter to you or not the fact remains that this is leaving people who raid with an advantage.
Barred from equallity in wvw as im versing people who have raid stats
I don’t understand because I’ve WvWed and it’s not based on 1v1 it’s server vs server. The odds of anyone ending up with someone with the exact same skills and exact same build the exact same connection, the exact same computer specs are negliable.
By your rights the game is pay to win because I live in Australia and my ping is higher than in the US and so I can’t play the game without paying real money and moving to the US because I’m disadvantaged.
Where as in Rift, if I didn’t have the required focus provided by gear, I couldn’t even queue for the content I wanted to play. The game prevented you from queueing.
You may want that stuff, but you don’t need it to play. You only strongly believe you do.
If it’s important enough to you, you will grind. A legendary is important to me so I’ll grind for it. That’s how the game works.It’s your choice to play that content with other stats, you choose not to.
I dont run around brain dead in a zerg of 50 people, i roam, solo or as a small group, stats matter in these situations.
Barred from equallity in wvw as im versing people who have raid stats i need different stats, to aquire them i need to grind raids how do you not understand.
Forced to grind raids for Specific stats because although it snot pay to win, its grind raids to have best stats for wvw. AKA buy HoT so you can do raids to win.
And you can’t live without the sets? You can’t play the game without them? You can’t kill world bosses, or players in PvP?
This isn’t forced to grind. It’s your choice to go for those stats as it was mine to go for a legendary.
Point being anet has always said they wont have grind to aquire best stats, and yet here we are.
Actually, due to the fact that you max out on tokens pretty fast, you can’t even really grind them. Gating isn’t a grind. You have three bosses and then another three. That’s not grind in the sense that Anet used it.
It’s not the same task over and over and the token limit makes it even less so. Unfortunately your definition of grind is one among many.
so, needing to get 2 earring 2 rings and an amulet, on about 9 chars doesnt require grinding? hm youre wrong
They’re account bound. You only need to get in once. And in fact you don’t need to gt it at all. You think you need it. There’s is exactly zero content off limits to you if you don’t get it.
To put it in perspective when I played Rift, I required certain gear to do even a single point of damage to a high level raid foe. If I didn’t have that gear, I couldn’t damage it at all. Guild Wars 2 doesn’t work that way. It’s not gated behind gear.
Somewhere in your mind, you’re saying to yourself you NEED that gear. On nine characters. That’s not a fact however, it’s just your thought process.
You don’t need it. You want it.
And you wanting something is not required grind.
They’re account bound. You only need to get in once ? hmm, not if i needdifferent stats on diff chars i dont play the same clas 5 times. My argument was that its unfair advantage in my scene, wvw. To those who raid and get best stats. when ims tuck say for example on my condi war with excess precision that is useless to me.
Also anet ahs said numerous times that aquiring the best gear will not require grinding. Grinding=doeing somthing repeatedly to aquire somthing…Which i would ahve to do to get them al=grinding. I dont need them, no but i need them to have the best things for the builds ive created
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it also doesnt remove immob when traited.
After the remake I would defo class it as a mvoement skill.
I’ve got fixes in for making Stomp work with Warrior’s Sprint and to make it function as a blast finisher. Should be out for the next balance update.
Wait what?! A Dev in the warforums? This is unreal. Hé must be a hacker or something. Ban this troll.
Debated deleting my post to mess with you guys…
print screened it do it i dare you
ww3 gw2 forums war
Grind* to win. (Pve=win wvw, kinda)
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May not have made that clear enough.
Ascended:
Trinkets use laurels and commendations
Armour – craft the cheapest stat, convert in the Mystic Forgetl;dr – people don’t seem to think ascended gear is worth getting that upset over as it’s only required for infusions in fractals and is just nice to have everywhere else.
From quickly reading back you want ascended trailblazers trinkets but you only wvw and they don’t appear in the laurel shop. To get them you’d have to raid or do the story and you don’t want to do either. Apologies if I’m summing that up incorrectly.
I see you can craft exotic versions -https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Trailblazer's_Jewelry_Recipe_Book
Indeed, exotic is not good enough for me
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