Once again, another argument about the meaning of a commonly-misapplied and misunderstood phrasing. Can we instead discuss the OP’s concern, which can probably be translated as:
“Is it fair that you are less competitive in PvP without the expansion?”
“Is it fair that you are at a disadvantage in WvW without HoT?”
“Is it fair that you can’t Raid without HoT?”
I’d argue that the first two aren’t true: you have less wiggle room for WvW and Raids, but it’s relatively minor.
For PvP, based on people who have posted their experiences sticking to core builds (either by choice or because the account didn’t have HoT unlocked), it seems unfair to me. ANet said before HoT launched that “elite” specializations weren’t meant to be “better”, just different. It’s understandable that they are popular, since we’ve been starved for new build possibilities for so long, but it’s also clear that elite specs are, indeed, elite.
I think it’s reasonable that HoT or any expansion offer a ton of advantages over the previous game; I’m not sure it’s fair that it makes it nearly impossible to compete in the competitive game mode.
(On the other hand, it’s only 50 bucks and even a skinflint such as myself can afford that once every 2 years for something I play regularly.)
I’m mainly arguing that its unfair that i bought HoT and only play WvW yet cannot access certain stats without raiding (trinkets amulets) despite the fact i will use them in wvw only as pve is predominantly zerker vipers, i am wanting marauders/crusaders/trailblazers equip for wvw.
In GW2 there is no correlation between the amount of money you spend in micro transactions (RL cash -> gems -> stuff) and the advantage you have in the game over others. That is what PtW is, and that is not GW2.
HoT is an expansion. It is a one-time purchase that gives you more options in your profession; there is no ever-increasing amount of money to spend for an ever-increasing advantage.
Also, there are plenty of posts and threads about people rocking PvP, WvW, and PvE w/o using the elite professions. Given all that info HoT is not PtW.
~EW
It seems you too fail to notice the specific point i made that i do have HoT and im forced to RAID inside HoT …. for somthing that i need for pvp content. I’m fine wiht having to have bought hoT for thwe stats, but give them to us for doing wvw if we want them in wvw…
I have theorycrafted many builds and i have done so since release, and a big part of this is finding nice mixes of stats. Some of the best combinations ive found require me to grind pve raids to get them(these HoT stats are exclusive to raid rewards, 1 or 2 from HoT story) Why is this the case? Good job trying to force me to raid but all youre doing is alienating the playerbase. Why can we noit aquire these for wvw through laruels+wvw badges?
Here you go, 35 dollars special on amazon. Go buy it. Anet deserves it with every free thing they have given.
I do get what you are saying, but that is what expansions bring in a MMO. Why would ppl buy something that won’t give them additional alternatives for their characters build? And diversity gives us the opportunity to make stronger builds.
Soooo, take advantage of the special in amazon… but it, enjoy it and join the fun. ^_^
Funny thing is i have HoT, i get what youre saying but it was a waste of time reading it.
HoT brings content, why have this pretty big part tied to raiding(pretty essential for WvW people), to hide the fact that there is actually no real reason to raid? that shows lazy design and poor thought then if its only benefit is having access to the best stats for amulets and trinkets. Does anet not understand that people play this game for more then pve… its not helping their case, i am still not raiding its just putting me off playing; encountering people who do not main wvw who have complete gear setups that i cannot, because i am not comfortable with being forced to play somthing and do not agree with it. Having played wvw since release as my maiun content this sudden big advantage to people who play pve+wvw has arisen and its rediculous.
I’m not saying that though…
I’m more pointing out that we are forced to Raid to agquire stuff that gives unfair advantage in pvp (wvw) scenario’s, why arent these stats availiable via laurels?
Not directly. But in pvp you need HoT classes to win, and now, in wvw to have the best stats for certain builds and classes you will need to do raids to aquire those specific stats, i.e trailblazers tirnkets oinly aquireable through HoT story and now raids (stats not availiable through laurels) So if you ojnly play wvw, like me, you will be at disadvantage to someone who raids often just because he plays PvE too. Unfair?
Forced to grind raids for Specific stats because although it snot pay to win, its grind raids to have best stats for wvw. AKA buy HoT so you can do raids to win.
IMHO they should transfer that phase traversal unblockable thing to something else and leave phase traversal as gap-closer, like you said. Maybe rework impossible odds into some unique buff that takes 30-40 of your energy on activation.
As far as I am concerned the Unblockable buff can stay in Devastation as an unlockable buff via trait selection.
the reworking suggestion for odds is a terrible idea….
I couldn’t agree more. What’s even worse is the amulets you get from doing story achievements aren’t even unlocked at the laurel vendor, so if you were unfortunate enough to have suffered through the buggy mess that is migraine, you can’t even get another mordrem loop.
As a non raider, having to wait almost a full year for reasonable access to HoT stat ascended trinkets is more than absurd, especially since the next expansion will likely introduce new and better stat combinations, which will make HoT stats obsolete.
These are the types of decision that are making me play the game less and less, which also means I’m less inclined to spend rl money in your cash shop.
Its unbelievable right, oh wait no its not this is what we’ve had since beta XD ‘cough’ zealots’
I reached legendary in 88 wins, did it for the sole purpose for getting the title. Now that i have this there is no insentive to play any further, i will do the same next season and the next. Perhaps if there was some reward track that unlocked after hitting legendary that offered some unique skins, or geting to the next lege tier gave more tokens i would, but apart from that i may as well wvw for the reward tracks. Less stressful no que timers and i can afk when i like.
Do you mean the recipes? Why do you have to pve to unlock the armor/weapon recipes? or acquiring the armor/weapons through reward track?
If you are asking why there is no reward track for HoT stat equipment, because there is. It starts from the Verdint brink reward track, you have to unlock VB (to unlock AB), AB (to unlock TD), TD (to unlock the repeatable Heart of Maguuma). Each of these reward tracks provides you with weapons and armor with your choice of stat selection (sometimes limited to a selection of stat choices).
Granted it’s much easier to activate HoT story mode… walk through the portal, collect your story mode reward and turn to the first vendor to the right and say “Hey Itzel, show me your wares, yup… I’ll buy one of those Minstrel’s insignia’s” or head to AB to get vipers from Exalted. DS for commanders… not sure who uses trailblazers but you get where I’m going.
But that PvE so tough.
EDIT: After all the years … WvW still always a thought, generally after, for cool things everything else gets much easier.
No im talking about accesories and trinkets lol you can only get a limited stat selection form laurels etc, but he raid vendor sells all stats for doing raid only. And lots of people use trailblazer….. Condi war is op with it… Maruaders trinkets crusaders minstrels so many of these stat combinations are really good for wvw, yet its only availiable form pve, a place where berserkers is the main stat, ironic.
Never had any trouble playing revenant until they increased costs for phase traversal. Feeling kinda clumsy ever since, not to mention good mesmers and thieves would kite me 24/7 on WvW. Before that “nerf” I’d just get to them with phase traversal and if I do it now I’ll end up with only autoattacks and dodges available. And good players will know that.
its ridiculous. thief can instantly get 6k distance using a few skills. but rev having a 1200 distance skill that didnt use 80% of the energy you start with was clearly too much for the ’legendary ’ assasin.
If Shiro is a “legendary” assassin then current thieves will be seen as gods/unstopable force by future people. The irony man, the irony..
No wonder he sounds mad when you channel him, he’s like what is this kitten
its ridiculous. thief can instantly get 6k distance using a few skills. but rev having a 1200 distance skill that didnt use 80% of the energy you start with was clearly too much for the ’legendary ’ assasin.
You might feel that way … but you’ve been getting your WvW gear from PVE for the last 3.5 years … you think that’s going to change somehow? I think that’s a little unrealistic.
Have i ? please tell me how ascended chest drops from pvp and wvw is pve?
Also please inform me on how laruels are pve.
guess you cant.
LS3? sorry for my GW2 illiteracy :P, Living story 3? if by this you mean they will be availiable by doing the LS3 that is still forcing me to play it, hell i still havn’t finished the HoT story so god forbid i be given this to do hahaha, im really in gw2 for WvW roaming and pvp so… :/ why no gief me this in wvw!!!!!!
You don’t know they won’t do it when LW3 comes out. Wait and see.
Also, I doubt you’ll need to do HoT story in order to do LW3 story… you might like the LW3 story…. also something to wait and see.
~EW
Yeah, i was just meaning i don’t enjoy pve, i fell like, to aquire stats to use in wvw..i should be able to get them from wvw, not pve :/
LS3? sorry for my GW2 illiteracy :P, Living story 3? if by this you mean they will be availiable by doing the LS3 that is still forcing me to play it, hell i still havn’t finished the HoT story so god forbid i be given this to do hahaha, im really in gw2 for WvW roaming and pvp so… :/ why no gief me this in wvw!!!!!!
So, how is it fair that raids give out stat options that cant be aquired in wvw? or even in pvp? As someone who doesnt enjoy pve im finding it very frustraiting to be forced to raid just to be able to create certain builds and stats combinations to then continue wvw’ing?
Just stop playing rev, i stopped once they nerfed the dodge skill as i realised theyre not going to fix anythign but continue to slowly nerf eevrything stage by stage ^^ play condi warrior or druid or condi mesmer like evryone els e:D our days of fun on a cool concept are over cos anet cant open their eyes
vitality should -% condi like armor does to direct damage, some will pipe up saying it does but no it doesnt, not if healing doesnt scale with vitality.
Or a new stat called defiance that can reduce condi damage on the same scale toughness and a new boon called detention that works like protection…almost all power builds are direect damage dealers and must have power precision and ferocity where most condi classes dont even take condi duration and instead just take condi damage
too much work tbh, vitality acting like armor does to power but to condi would fix it. making protection do -33% coindi dmg too, plz anet do it
vitality should -% condi like armor does to direct damage, some will pipe up saying it does but no it doesnt, not if healing doesnt scale with vitality.
armor/toughnes should just defend against conditions…realisticly it should.
condition damage already gets the bonus that you only need condition damage where as power needs power precision and ferocity, so why should condi get the easy way out getting free condition – survivability and not suffer against tanky oponents? makes no sense.
