Guild Wars 2

If you want to keep UF and Cleansing Ire, Earthshaker will take a 40% damage nerf.

40%

Burnfall.9573:

Opynn, i sympathize your response, i really do.

I sincerely do want warriors to be strong and able to have condition removal and to able to equip with heavy set weapons that does strong damages.

But what I sincerely do not want is having a unsupervised warrior class, causing outrageous devastating damage + perma stuns in the game and say that it is ok for not breaking the game.

Well, that will never work and most importantly, it completely make the other classes near obsolete for their roles in the game.

Again, as long warriors are closely supervised, they can be strong and powerful.

I hope you understand.

I nominate Burnfall as Warrior Truth Supervisor!

I want to be strong and powerful, but I recognize that with great power comes great need for supervisionry, and I think Burnfall would be perfect!

He would perform strong damages against any powerful that becomes too powerful.

Or strong.

Extra strong would create too much outrage and harm the truth and righteous vision our lord Anet wants for us.

Amen.

Thank goodness Burnfall is here to save the OP warriors from themselves! We demand an immediate correction of truth and justice to this unjust and game-breaking skill! Instead of this game-breaking exploit obviously designed by satan’s minions, this trait should root and stun the warrior for 5 seconds and he should take +150% fall damage, to compensate for warrior’s innate, unjust advantages over every other class ever in all MMOs ever. Even then he should be able to wipe zergs single handedly with his unjust and untruthful lack of truthitude.

Burnfall saves the day again!

I remember when they were selling us this game there was big talk by the devs against the standard, never-ending, MMO buff/nerf cycle. The trait system was this great new way for them to tinker with balance, allowing them to avoid drastic direct changes to individual weapons, abilities and utilities. Oh, how far we’ve come.

Now, over a year in, we get these reactive pendulum swings of balance changes. Huge buffs that have to be countered by huge nerfs. Someone else said it in another thread: Anet balance is like a dog chasing its tail.

Seriously? A YEAR in and you’re nerfing a weapon that’s been around since launch by 20+%?! 20! And from multiple different angles at the same time, just to make sure it’s completely dead! How is that not seen as anything but beta stage developing?! Are we in beta, a year in?!

Now, despite the game not being broken from launch until now, despite there being plenty of counters to this dreaded CC+damage abomination, and many, many builds with unquestionably more flagrant OPness (have you seen other class forum vids of 1v3, 4, more? Have you seen the warrior ones with 1v1+up-level?), you decide it’s necessary to come in and surgically neuter weapons and any builds connected to them, rendering a years worth of effort in ascended and legendary gear completely worthless. Oh yeah, funny, that gear grind we were promised wouldn’t happen? Feeling pretty nice right about now…

So we have to question. Is it incompetence that is fueling the endless carrot on a stick, donkey on a treadmill? Or is this the Plan? How many gems will be bought trying to recover from a butchered build, trying to chase the next OP created by this patch, and the next, and the next? 14 months in and the buff/nerf cycle is still going stronger than ever baby! C.R.E.A.M. get the money. Dollar dollar bill y’all.

How long before this post is deleted? It’s best not to question The Man.

I don’t know, maybe I’m blowing it out of proportion. But I know I’m not wasting time and money chasing the next gimmick when this is the track record. How many poor saps are already, right now working for dire gear to jump on the condibunker band wagon, or whatever other junk rises up? Well not me…. This donkey is going on a carrot-free diet.

/rant

style.6173:

Uncle Shags.9017:

JonathanSharp.7094:

Warriors are pretty strong right now, but will be seeing changes in an upcoming patch.

We like how they can be tanky, and we like how they can do DPS if they want. We also like the CC they can bring. We just don’t like them doing it all with 1 build.

Ok, so being able to perform 3 functions well is too much. So how do you plan on implementing this? Are all classes going to be affected? There are many, many builds that currently excel at 3 things at once.

I’d loooooove to know another class that can DPS, heal, and CC like a warrior.

Besides, there are only two classes that are OP right now…. warrior and necro. Those need the changes.

Notice I said 3 functions, not necessarily those 3. There are other functions that are arguably more powerful than any one of those. Group healing, group buffing, utility, group stealth, combo fields, aoe cc, etc.

Warrior is a noob stomper. I make noobs explode. Good players beat me. Noobs explode and come to forums to complain -> Warrior nerf.

JonathanSharp.7094:

Warriors are pretty strong right now, but will be seeing changes in an upcoming patch.

We like how they can be tanky, and we like how they can do DPS if they want. We also like the CC they can bring. We just don’t like them doing it all with 1 build.

Ok, so being able to perform 3 functions well is too much. So how do you plan on implementing this? Are all classes going to be affected? There are many, many builds that currently excel at 3 things at once.

Senjun.8149:

Uncle Shags.9017:

Peow peow.2189:

I played this warrior today and told him his class was Op.

He replied : NO it’s not op

So I said look here, every class has a counter. Necro counters thief. Thiefs kill low hp classes like ele or light armour rangers, gaurs can bunker.
Tell me one class that is a strong counter to warriors? One class that should usually win…
After he thought about it long and hard he responded with…

Response: Other warriors

Mind = blown

The answer you’re looking for is mesmer.

That depends on how experienced the war is at fighting mesmers, but typically mesmers seem to lose 1v1 since only a full zerker mesmer has the damage output to kill a warrior with healing sig and even then it takes him a while.

That’s not my experience. Good Mesmers can count on one hand the times they’ve lost 1v1 vs warrior, and they usually know what they did wrong to lose.

Peow peow.2189:

I played this warrior today and told him his class was Op.

He replied : NO it’s not op

So I said look here, every class has a counter. Necro counters thief. Thiefs kill low hp classes like ele or light armour rangers, gaurs can bunker.
Tell me one class that is a strong counter to warriors? One class that should usually win…
After he thought about it long and hard he responded with…

Response: Other warriors

Mind = blown

The answer you’re looking for is mesmer.

Fungalfoot.7213:

Rednik.3809:

Change it for sPvP, since for WvW and PVE it’s balanced.
-5 sec from CD, +50% heal on activate, -1/3 regen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xvt4elvUzGU

Do you really consider this balanced in any game mode? This kind of passive gameplay should never be permitted. Right now warriors are boring to play and boring to play against. And this issue isn’t exactly new, it’s just that it has hit a critical point now thanks to a plethora of other buffs. It used to take skill to survive out there as a warrior and now any chimp can just waltz into a throng of enemies and come out unscathed. They’ve allowed it to get to this point and now they have to do something about it.

Same situation with Healing Surge. Guess what happens…

http://youtu.be/BiSK2BNA2YA

Nerf Healing Surge!

http://youtu.be/BiSK2BNA2YA

Dand.8231:

Burnfall.9573:

i speak the truth to everything i say.

My truthful track records speak for itself; and no, i don’t

I am a player of Action and the Truth; and that is why I’ve been encouraging many of you to see this as well.

Most Importantly to Arena.net because they are the makers of this game and they have the Absolute Power to take into action of any threats that is overpowering and breaking their beautiful world of guild wars 2.

And no, i will not be silent to see this class take this away from them, from their hard tireless work, great effort and their passion to their beautiful creation.

My purpose is to reveal the truth and so is the truth i’’m revealing to you and most importantly to Arena.net; to remove hammer from warrior class until it’s fully balanced.

As the saying goes, ‘the truth will set you free’

The truth will set warriors free from their OP status and their op hammer.

For, ‘I take my stand, I will not be shaken’

I cant help but laugh every time you use the word truth in your post.

This truth you speak of is nothing more than your opinion!

Your opinion is that hammer is overpowered. That is NOT a fact, or truth in any way, shape, or form! That is how you personally feel! It does not necessarily reflect the actual state of things, or the opinions of others.

Dont get me wrong, it’s perfectly fine to have your own opinion. It’s even fine to come to the forum and post your opinion, along with your reasons for feeling that way, and what you think might improve a potential issue.

BUT as long as you try to sell your opinion as fact or truth, you will be (rightfully) laughed at and ridiculed.

It’s like his homework assignment today was to use a new word – truth.

If you get to use our forum as homework I get to grade you. D-. Look the word up and try again. This time try not to say it 20 times in one post – you sound like a drunk parrot.

Super obvious troll whose real mission is to practice his English while stroking his ego with labored histrionics. My advice? Work on grammar instead of gagging us with the fancy stuff.

20 min of bad 1v1s, bad music, annoying memes and running from 1v2s unless they’re upleveled. I wouldn’t have said anything normally, because it’s rude, but then you decided to break out the OP talk. Winning 1v1s vs players that can’t dodge or bring stunbreakers does not OP make.

capmasterflash.5690:

To the purple-haired thief from [AZN], watch yourself. There will come a day when none of you teammates are around to bail you out, and I will have my vengeance for /laugh-ing at me. Also, it doesn’t make sense to /laugh when you beat someone who is outnumbered.

Take solace in the fact that his main pleasure in life comes from purposely irritating others in a video game. You can imagine what a wretched life that must be.

Gold league isn’t edgy enough for maguuma. They’re hipster trolls. Too cool for school. But not cool enough to not need to prove it. Over, and over, and…

kazi.6438:

To be honest, if a 50-point stat buff is going to make the difference between losing to someone and beating them, you probably don’t deserve to win anyways. Running food buffs or having the new ascended gear is just as much of an advantage. A lot of commanders on my server will even throw down trays of food to buff their zergs. WvW is inherently not fair by design.

I think a lot of players, like you, underestimate what is actually going on, and as a result aren’t as bothered as they should be. Food and ascended gear add less than half of what blood lust does. And with a little effort any individual can get both food and ascended on their own – not so with bloodlust. Bloodlust is +50 PER stat, not total. That means 50×6=300. For one. 900 stat points for all three. That’s like having an entire extra full set of ascended trinkets. If you can’t see how huge of an advantage that is then you don’t know how stats work in this game. A huge advantage/disadvantage that the individual, unless they slap on their commander tag and zerg the ruins, has no control over.

Ulion.5476:

If someone has better gear you can still outplay them. Do you complain when someone beat you because that have food, exotics, or legendaries? In zerg fights 50vs50 with 3bloodlust (6% all stat) it like 50 vs 53. Bloodlust is comparable to a 2-6% all stat advantage, so that only come into play if you are equally skilled. The nodes have increased the amount of roamers. Some player have to group up before they roam. Also, GTA is out, so GW2 will lose some people to that.

That isn’t how it works in practice, and you only have to duel someone with three stacks to realize how much impact bloodlust has. When you add 900 total stat points on top of an already maxed out build the effect is huge. 6% doesn’t come close to covering it.

Littlefeather.8623:

Why dont you people realize it only takes one person to back cap /decap / cap these points..

what is everyones’ major malfunction !? Let one person who enjoys PvP do the ruins…

Have you ever tried to cap three by yourself? Doesn’t work. So a little less attitude maybe? Since you don’t know what you’re talking about?

My major malfunction is I don’t like sPvP, and I don’t like fighting people in WvW that have 900 more stat points than me, which is how it’s been the last four times I tried to play. And trying to remove that stat advantage by capping means you’re not only outmanned, but missing 900 in stats. So yeah. That sound fun to you?

GuardianOMS.8067:

Kyuzo.4675:

150 bonus stats to all attributes for the sever with the greatest population? ANET are geniuses to think of this wonderful addition to balanced WvW play…….

Mag has held the bonuses within sea/oceanic prime, our weakest and most unpopulated time. EBay has held it at random times throughout the day including sea and NA, despite being the underdog. These orbs seem to have less to do with population, and more to do with whoever wants to spend their time getting them. Add to the fact that they’re generally easy to take from a server that isn’t actively defending them, and if they are, then who’s defending the keeps/towers? I’d like to see how this is doing in T1, because that’s all that matters.

Bloodlust was not meant to balance WvW or add to it, so I have no idea what you’re going on about. Please email Devon Carver with all your complaints and suggestions on balancing WvW.

You’re kidding right, or trolling? Because you just said all that nonsense (yet he is the one “going on about” with his two whole sentences…) and still somehow missed his main point, which was the number 150 to all attributes? And are you really trying to argue that ummm…adding bloodlust to WvW is not really…adding? Wow. I don’t know what to say.

At three stacks that’s 900 total stat points. That’s like deciding to play without amulet, jewelry and accessories. Or for those on the winning side having double! Awesome! That this even made it into the game is mind-boggling.

Steelo.4597:

my point was you are building yourself passively immune or very greatly reduced to most conditions in wvw – and use that as an argument pro stun warriors – you cant do this with control effects, you also cant stunbreak every 5 seconds! there is only stability which most classes lack sorely and stun breaks are on a huge cooldown in general while a stun warrior can put out 3-4 second stuns every 5 seconds only limited by his adrenaline gain without even counting his other hard CCs while being super tanky and critting like a basterd thanks to that 10 points trait? whats balanced about it? and i dont even know why you insist on being a bad player and yet advising other players to l2p, dont you see those things dont go together very well?

No. Stability isn’t the magic pill. No one can get enough by themselves. That’s why I listed all the other ways to counter the build, of which there are many. Play the build against decent players who are prepared for CC and find out. Unless, like others, your argument is you shouldn’t have to prepare. If that’s your argument, I give up.

And here we go again…. What build other than your imagination gets a 4 second stun very 5 seconds? I assume you mean Hammer/Mace. Have you ever tried to play that vs range?! Try to roam and not get kited to death by 2 uplevels? Sure, technically you could pull that off, but only if being focus fired by a zerg to gain adrenaline, and at that point, I’d argue, all bets are off. And that’s getting nerfed, regardless. And hey, I thought the problem was GS/Mace? Oh yeah, it’s the awesome 6 weapon slot build again! It’s this garbage that is keeping these threads going. Tell the truth or get out.

And I didn’t insist on being a bad player. YOU brought it up after stalking me. I responded. And, don’t you see, my lack of skill and pointing it out in others goes together just fine? Like I said, even when carried by my build/guild (which admittedly are fantastic, never said they weren’t) nothing I do is outside the scope of what other classes can contribute. Oh, and being bad gives me the enviable status of recognizing my compatriots, whether or not the recognize themselves.

I will admit when I saw the Mace F1 buff to 3 seconds I thought it was excessive. Drop it. And nerf Paralyzation. Justifiable. But for crying out loud, stop contributing to the warrior witch hunt.

I have no problem with a mace or paralyzation nerf. It’s these putzes with their hilarious claims of “warrierz kill 10 peeple at 1nce! hIt me for 100k dmg!” that are out of control. The hyperbole and obvious lack of clarity in these threads is so bad I’m starting to think it’s trolling. “Fairly accurate” to tank 3 people at once and have 3x the health, healing and toughness? Using the tactics available to you = LTP? Entire paragraphs of unitelligible drivel? When the basics of communication/debate/sense aren’t an option, there is no point in arguing. I’m moving on.

mini.6018:

Uncle Shags.9017:

mini.6018:

It is not a l2p issue when you can tank 3 players (in wvw) because you can go FULL tank gear….
…full dps and three times the armor, healing and hitpoints of their squishy opponent.

You suggest logic? Yeah. Your “logic” proves that either you have no idea what you’re talking about or, like the rest of the whiners, you’re talking about the 30/30/30/30/30 build that runs with 6 weapon slots and 8 utilities…

Cool story.Since when you need 30 in power and precision or tactics(or anything tbh ) to tank anything?Also lost you on the part where you are confusing gear with traits/ builds.Nvm.Just drop it here and stop embarrasing warrior forums with such nonsense rabble.

I’m sorry, you seem to have missed my point. I’ll try again. The statements you made and I quoted are indicative of either 1: You have no idea what you’re talking about, or 2: You are purposefully trying to pass off gross exaggerations as truth. Either way, you’re busted.

Steelo.4597:

i see you whining about conditions in threads about stuns though. please tell me how i can get passively 98% immune against control effects 100% of the time without using any utility slots whatsoever? i bet lots of people would like to know when they fight warriors. also please tell me you would use zerker stance if it gave no adrenaline with your build and you are actually using it against conditions in your vids.. another l2p post by a hammer warrior – and what exactly do you write in your video comment? “getting carried by my build”? i do believe that.

Me whining about condis? Nice try. I have never said one word. I said that I devote a huge portion of my build to dealing with condis. That’s not whining. I’m sorry, I thought it was obvious why I said that. I intended to shed light on the idiocy of whining about something instead of…i don’t know…maybe…doing something about it?

There are plenty of ways to counter CC. People do it to me ALL the time. Against good players I won’t land a single stun. Stability, stunbreak, dodge, block, evade, blind, counter CC, invuln and range. And why the heck do you think you shouldn’t have to use a utility slot for defense? If you do that you deserve to be blown up instantly and not complain.

Yes. I slot Berserker’s specifically for conditions. It’s the only way I know to survive against blind spamming thieves or condi-bombers. Adrenaline is an added bonus I don’t really need.

And yes, I am carried by my build. Also by my guild. If you watch my videos you will quickly notice something – I’m not very good. None of the fights I’m in are very spectacular. Every class in the game can do what I do – beat a couple inexperienced wvwers at the same time.

Maybe I should post the videos of people who know what they’re doing that absolutely CLOWN me. I might have to start collecting footage so you all can…gasp…LTP?

mini.6018:

It is not a l2p issue when you can tank 3 players (in wvw) because you can go FULL tank gear….
…full dps and three times the armor, healing and hitpoints of their squishy opponent.

You suggest logic? Yeah. Your “logic” proves that either you have no idea what you’re talking about or, like the rest of the whiners, you’re talking about the 30/30/30/30/30 build that runs with 6 weapon slots and 8 utilities…

I said it in the other nerf-herding thread, but it applies to the last few posts in here as well:
I have to devote 6 runes, 2 traits, food, and a utility slot just to hope to survive condition damage, but you don’t hear me whining.

If you don’t bring anti-CC and learn to avoid it with the various other tactics that counter it then it’s nobodies fault but your own.

STABILITY. Completely negates the WHOLE THING. How’s that for a trade off? One boon counters the entire build?

You can also try evade, block, dodge, blind, stun break and range. Toughness, vitality and protection help as well. Anything really, other than standing there in glass with no defensive abilities.

I have to devote 6 runes, 2 traits, food, and a utility slot just to hope to survive condition damage, but you don’t hear me whining.

These warrior nerf threads are seriously getting to be draining. And it IS a learn to play issue. Ask any good 1v1 player.

Ehmry Bay busted.

Same. Trying to buy some runes, won’t let me. I got all horned up for a new build only to be denied at the last minute! Stinkin’ tease…

Looks good. About the same as mine. I use different gear to get 100 less power, 200 less toughness and trade it for 1.5k more health, 6% more crit dmg and 4% more crit chance (for the even 100). I also go with Destruction of the Empowered instead of Warriors Sprint. Tomatoe, Tomato. It’s fun. My only concern is with the nerf to paralyzation I don’t know if I’ll be able to land Shield Bash > Final Thrust anymore. It’s a big hitter right now, but with the buggy FT animation I’m pretty sure it won’t work in the new patch… I’m a bit depressed about it. Not sure what I’m going to do…

Apparently I was a bit too honest in my earlier post about trends in certain Maguuma guild’s behaviors. I think someone’s feelings got hurt and I got reported. Awwww, how cute – Rustled Jimmies! So sorry.

But have no fear! I know Pyro and Swag enjoy watching themselves, so just for them I’m reposting the video!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNlvdV-7CI4

The first two posts gave you the answer. If you see GS/Sw/Wh don’t bother chasing. Pretty simple. But for some reason you took offense to that idea. You might want to consider decaf?

Insert the “Well that escalated quickly” meme here.

Heh, now that I think about it, seeing your reaction in this thread, no wonder you get mad at trolling GS warriors – your fuse is too short man! Try not to get mad so easy.

After the second post mentioning 3.9k armor I decided I had to get out of bed to reply. Stop exaggerating…

Please. Don’t act like your server is some bastion of fair play.

Last night BP, with at least double our numbers, snuck in behind us during a tower take and flash built siege just inside the door rather than fight us with 2 to 1 odds. We took out those build sites only to watch them immediately do it again. The sad part is that shows an organized, planned effort to be…pathetic.

Maguuma is no better. Last night in EB we get inside just as they take Wildcreek. Again, at least double our numbers and they decide to throw a superior AC in the lord’s room. Invulnerable lord plus superior AC? GG.

Those living in glass houses…

I have an unhealthy hatred of thieves. Apparently the feeling is mutual…

Saturday night in EB! We had a good time all night poking at the SoS and DB zergs. Here’s a couple of the fights:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nyg1Bv6_TU4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TppfNSj9c3g

/waves hand

This is not the combo you are looking for. Move along.

I had yesterday off and the fights were plentiful all day!

Here’s some small man roaming yesterday in SoS BL, featuring a special appearance by everyone’s favorite, Archer/Cookies!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs4WcEcge-A

And here’s a bigger rumble last night in Eternal. [VH] put up a real
good fight at Golanta.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_fsIOH-I7Y

Good times!

Uncle Shags’ got a whole slew of videos for your viewing pleasure!

Here’s a funny one to start with!

25 stacks=BOOM!

Snow Ghost.6817:

What does this prove?

No-one was disputing that it happened, just the reasons behind it.

Sooo your video really doesn’t bring anything to light or provide further interesting insight.

I guess it proves that some people will continue to think that sieging is the reason we play, despite countless statements to the contrary for months. Which I guess is why we’ll continue to use bait – because we have to, and it works.

Evilzara.6378:

Wow, I’ve never seen that on Ebay before, you must be the perfect server!

You’re pretty good at that – making assumptions about other people and putting words in their mouths. It’s called projection. I told you, you might want to see someone about that.

Against my better judgment, I’m doing it again…posting on the last day of the matchup in order to call a spade a spade. Here’s a video of yesterday’s tower hugging event that’s sparked some discussion.

Standard BP fare:

The funny thing is the aberration you see above is the direct result of getting smashed by ebay for 13 weeks. Towards the end we watched BP evolve and change. They started to practice their zerg ball moves in the open field. They stayed tight and followed the commander mindlessly around in circles, ignoring smaller groups of opposition to prevent penetration into their dense mass. Using numbers became their primary weapon.

Ebay, we created this monster!

Little Sunday night action.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5w5aXoaybk

Considering all the vitriol already going on in this thread, I’ll just leave this here, but without pointing any fingers. /wink wink

Fraeg.9837:

A bitter fight between GF and ZERG gets kicked up a notch, and then SoS joins in

Nice! I didn’t get the KITE fight, but I got the 15 minutes before, including the rock fight from the GF PoV. I have to work/fun this weekend, but I’ll put it up eventually. In the mean time, here’s a couple others from this week:

Seigfried.5938:

Firstly, 100 is over the population limit of 1 server per map. Secondly, you don’t send many people to a supply camp to be sure to take the camp, but to supply up the whole zerg.

How much supply comes with your camps?

Be careful Amins. They’ll think we’re teaming up on them and hold a 13 week grudge.

Evilzara.6378:

After the way Ehmry treated us in the 13-week matchup, you have no right to complain about things like this. Grow up.

Who’s complaining? I’m just pointing out the hypocrisy. And, with expert timing, here is some more from you! WE treated YOU bad?! Lol. And I’m the one complaining… Boohooo.

Brindled.2179:

good thing we’ll go back to tier 5 at the end of this week. the servers we’ve been battling have been great sports. so many bows each day of our confrontation. all we get from ebay is laughs when zergs roll over small groups or even singles. i’ve seen little of that behavior from cd. even our match-up posts were only trolled be ebayers acting up. you guys really do house a lot of egos and unsportmanlike players. i’m sure it will rub off with our players imitating you more and more.

So when 60BP take on 20 Ebay (see Amin’s video above) and spend minutes at a time spam laughing, that’s Ebay’s fault… Good one. Someone’s on a pretty high horse.

It seems like your thief, you’re a bit slow. I’ll make it easy for you. Go race a GS Sw/Wh warrior from S camp to SE camp. You’ll lose.