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As Unspec said, unless it’s a k series, it pretty much is a waste to overclock the Intel processor.
One thing my friend has told me about – he’s used two AMD cores before switching to Intel; he’s used one and currently uses two Intel cores in his computers (he has two computers) – is that AMD CPU’s life tends to be much less than that of Intel’s.
your buddy is either full of something brown and smelly, a fanboi or you missunderstood him……
I have been at this computer building game for over 20 years now, neither intel or amd have chips that in themselves dont last, there have been some pretty bad boards, and some bad chipsets(never seen a bad amd chipset, but intel had a few that where horrible, and SiS intel chipsets where suq….dont get me started on via….)
and unspec, no, to me intel isnt as fun or challanging to push, all you really can do with intel is change the multi and volts…with amd you can change the buss without breaking anything, you can tweak the HT, and teh cpu/nb clocks….
FSB – 280
DRAM – 1866Mhz
CPU/NB – 2520Mhz
HTT – 2520Mhz
thats my current settings……quite fun reallyI hope the HT doesn’t stand for Hyper Threading.
clearly you know kitten all about AMD, AMD dont do hyper threading, HT stands for HyperTransport, the communication between the chipsets and cpu are all hypertransport based http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HyperTransport
BTW if u go AMD get 2133 memory AMD performance scales very well with memory speed and latencies beacuse of the memory controller, it performs poorly in some games using slow memory F1, GW2 are pretty good examples of this. Also get a good mobo since u will probaly be using it for the next gen chips aswell get a 990fx Asus sabertooth, great overclocker, good performance, very good components quality and manufacture, don’t cheap out on the mobo.
your better off with the Asrock 990fx Extreme4 then the sabertooth, I own 2 sabertooths, and though they are great boards, they and their flaws, for one the verg section of the board gets hot, and aisuit will nag you alot about it(Even though its within safty range of all the parts used in that area of the board)
another is, the extreme4 has a for its cpu verg/fet area, kitten, it also comes with a front breakout for usb3 incase youre case dosnt have one.
its cheaper as well.
Honestly if i could go back i would have an extreme4 now…..another fun note, it has an ide/pata connector, so if you got a decent optical drive you want to re-use thats pata you can….(no need for sata on optical, they cant saturate the pata buss let alone sata.)
as to ram, it also really depends on the board and latancy vs clocks of the ram, 1600 cas8 is better then 2133 cas11 or 12 in many cases, 1866 cas8 is kinda hard to get and not really wort the extra cost….
from my exp the best point is to get a 32gb kit thats decent 1600mhz or better, use fancycache to cache your games drive, then, in a year or 2 when faster lower latancy ram is cheaper, upgrade.
i got my 32gb 1866 kit for 109.99 shipped form newegg…..honestly 9-9-9 at 1600 is just as fast as 1866 10-11-10 for gw2, (i have ran it both ways, it even does 2133 just fine at 11-11-11)
honestly, at this point in time this kit http://pcpartpicker.com/part/mushkin-memory-994069 is the best value on the market, alot of reports of getting 1866 or better with looser timings……though honestly, cas9 for a 32gb kit at 1600 is very fast!!!
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/Gr66
thats a build i speced up for somebody a while back.
psu is overkill for 1 card, but, leaves you open for a quick easy upgrade to dual 7870xt’s and as many hdd’s as you can cram in that case….;)
No, I know what Hyper Transport is. I was just making sure you weren’t confusing AMD having Hyper threading, since it is also abbreviated HT.
As Unspec said, unless it’s a k series, it pretty much is a waste to overclock the Intel processor.
One thing my friend has told me about – he’s used two AMD cores before switching to Intel; he’s used one and currently uses two Intel cores in his computers (he has two computers) – is that AMD CPU’s life tends to be much less than that of Intel’s.
your buddy is either full of something brown and smelly, a fanboi or you missunderstood him……
I have been at this computer building game for over 20 years now, neither intel or amd have chips that in themselves dont last, there have been some pretty bad boards, and some bad chipsets(never seen a bad amd chipset, but intel had a few that where horrible, and SiS intel chipsets where suq….dont get me started on via….)
and unspec, no, to me intel isnt as fun or challanging to push, all you really can do with intel is change the multi and volts…with amd you can change the buss without breaking anything, you can tweak the HT, and teh cpu/nb clocks….
FSB – 280
DRAM – 1866Mhz
CPU/NB – 2520Mhz
HTT – 2520Mhz
thats my current settings……quite fun really
I hope the HT doesn’t stand for Hyper Threading.
its using an dedicated AMD video chip, I didnt say integrated….
Intel video is a joke, nVidia video……well nV always want more for their chips, not to mention the whole 8600gt(and related chipset) debacale(huge fail rates, google it, apple and many other laptop vendors where hit very hard..nvidia didnt make things right…)
by going amd/amd they also get a platform they only have to go to 1 place to get assistance making the most of the hardware or working around any bugs that are found.
if you went by the intel fanboi line, sony should have used a quad core intel chip, any quad core intel chip, as it would have benched faster then any amd chip(not kidding) but, the fact is , amd totaly kicks kitten for multi threading, and everybody knows thats the way of the future…..even intel….but, intel being intel they want to milk each upgrade by requireing a new motherboard…..cant blame them, its worked so far……i mean idiots year after year upgrade their board to get a new chip thats not really much better then last years…..
it also forces oem’s to buy more boards, selling more chipsets for intel…..
blah, basickly, yes going intel could give better per core perf but wouldnt get them as many cores(ht dosnt count).
You really can’t compare AMD dedicated graphics to Intel integrated graphics, you’re comparing apples to oranges. Also, most people don’t upgrade their CPU each year. People who upgrade every year are usually bleeding edge enthusiasts. Majority of people follow the 3 year cycle. And again, one AMD core isn’t equal to one Intel core. So while AMD may have more cores, Intel’s cores actually get more work done per cycle compared to AMD’s.
That one beats the i5, but not on Guild wars 2….
The game is not really optimized for multi-threading. But I guess you will not use your computer only for playing 1 game :p
Besides, the new playstation 4 will have a amd cpu… So that means they are still better than intel i think :pNo, the PS4 uses an AMD CPU because it needs to hit a price point.
oh, its not all about price, AMD offers the better overall package, AMD is better at multi threading, amd also have FAR FAR better video then intel, and im sure that amd are supplying some sort of chipset for it since that would make things alot easier on sony in design and in software design.
intel is faster per core, but intel dont even have an 8core chip yet, and no, quads with HT dont count…HT is great when it works, but can have HORRIBLE effects when it dosnt.
a simple example is using x64 ogg vorbis encoder with dbpoweramp on all cores, my 8core amd flys, my buddies 900x(its a 970/980/990…cant remember) at 4.8 takes a 47% perf hit with HT enabled doing the same task, making it ALOT slower then mine, with it disabled, its slower but, not quite so big a gap…..(this was done encoding a large batch of flac files to ogg using the lancer mod enhanced oggenc from hydrogen audio forums using dbpoweramp, foobar2000 also could be used for testing i hear….but dbp is easy and fast)
They use AMD cause it has a great price to performance ratio. Also, while the AMD CPU does have 8 cores, one AMD core =/= one Intel core. As for AMD having better integrated video, that doesn’t really matter. The PS4 is using a dedicated graphics card anyhow.
Nope , the PS4 is using what AMD calls an APU , 8 jaguar core with a graphics chip on the die. And from what “we” “know” MS uses something that is “close” to Sony
AMD beats Intel CPU when it comes to video encoding There some other encoding things which are faster as well. There is a video out on how AMD beats Intel on games when using something like fraps and running the game at the same time.
There is also it upgrade path Intel will go with mainboards + cpu soldered and AMD allows users to upgrade the cpu without needing a new mainboard.
So far AM3+ has one upgrade left somewhere before the end of the year (prolly 2014) And it is called Steamroller .
No, Intel denied the BGA-only rumors.
http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/intel_says_company_committed_sockets2012
the 3470 dosnt overclock well, you have to use turbo and bclk and…..thats VERY limiting.
on the other hand amd is FUN and easy to overclock
http://www.overclock.net/t/1348623/amd-bulldozer-and-piledriver-overclocking-guide-asus-motherboard
that guide will work for asrock as well before you ask
3470 doesn’t overclock well because it doesn’t have an unlocked multiplier like the K series does. Unlocked processors from Intel are just as fun and easy to overclock as AMD’s.
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one thing to keep in mind is, intel dosnt expect their chips to last past the 3 year warr period, they effecitvly have said as much to people complaining about the use of cheap white TIM under the IHS.
http://www.techpowerup.com/165882/TIM-is-Behind-Ivy-Bridge-Temperatures-After-All.html
you can google it, a few people have emailed them and the response was in effect “the TIM will last the 3 years the chips under warranty”
you also can expect high temps on ivybridge, 70c idle on my buddies 3770k with stock cooler, if you can get ahold of a sandybridge based chip those run cooler because intel used fluxless solder rather then cheap white TIM under the IHS so they are likely to last longer due to lower core temps.
makes me mad they cheeped out even on the enthusiast K series chips.
Could always pry up the IHS and replace the TIM
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