Guild Wars 2

I think I would pay gems for that yes.

Got my share of leading this morning, very nice, very solid SFR moving and impacting. It’s a real pleasure to try against people playing for victory 100%.

But to be honest, what has amazed me even more is the fighting spirit & movements of Piken people, actually. Ticking like 50-70 at least above the second while we are all presently with full coverage (midday in Europe, I’d say it’s safe to say that, except for French people having lunch ) is impressive.

At the moment :
+165 SFR
+235 VS
+295 Piken

Obviously it’s only a snapshot, but reds are very determined. Just whoa !

Have fun all

Shoutout to [Yak] on Vizuborder, nice movements, nice nice !

The Bay was a very close call btw. I’ve had a nice evening, I think there were several nice fights between VS and Gandara guilds this evening.

First time Vizunians meet Kodashi people.

In terms of variety, the new seeding is certainly a success. Can’t wait to see what VS will learn from new ennemies.

DevonCarver.5370:

Okay, so after much hard work and no small amount of wizardry we are going to get this in for today. We were unable to get the leaderboards fully set up to indicate the matchups, so there will be a disconnect there, but you will see your matchups once you log in.

I am going to buy some gems tomorrow.

Okay I know you are not working for me to do that exactly, but let’s say it brings me some hope so I’ll give some cash to the company.

I know you genuinely want the best for 3W, but I merely suggest to improve the communication a lil’ bit (mostly in terms of dates, because people build stuff & organization on top of that), and keep with the trend of listening to people (I believe it’s a little ‘new’, but it’s a good thing).

Every single decision you make Anet has effects on players, obviously.

However, nerfing/buffing a skill doesn’t have the same effect as changing the match-ups or allowing/forbidding free transfers.

The latter category has a tremendous snowball effect on your customer-base. Their morale, their will to create content & emulate around Guild Wars 2. Which basically keeps the game alive.

If the new matchup system wasn’t ready to be released, you should have waited to announce it. It’s as simple as this. That’s the only responsible behavior. That’s the behavior on which people build their expectations.

Else, it’s like breaking a promise. You shatter the trust, it’s a withdrawal from the emotional bank account. You lose people, you lose money.
Please do improve your communication and/or your development processes. Thanks a lot in advance.

This “blob” which we call “le multimap” was basically the answer to Armata then RUIN then PRX.

Pretty effective answer I would say now we take a step back ; but I understand at time like this when there is hardly any opponent, it really looks overkill.

But you don’t deconstruct things you patiently built, do you ?

Beware Wednesday & Thursday are bank holidays in France.

I think you should set the stage for the next performance of the cast of “Desolation vs the Vizuzombies”

Lelith.2916:

Exactly…. so VS have to also work with the idea of trying it.. I understand your TS is down at the moment so pugs are following so close to commanders, well how about.. run without a commander tag up.. we have been doing that for months..

Small correction here : the new TS is up and running again
(Was a long story and the TS FM guild has lent to the community for months didn’t survive the attacks. The one GHO & Len Ny have lent is much more resilient to that kind of bad behavior.)
But “amazingly few” people use it. I guess there is a need of a pressure to feel obligated to go there.
Right now, since the matchup is won since day 1, I fear people log to get as much WXP as they can and that’s pretty much it (and here the design is to blame : the fact the WXP of a kill is given to everybody, well…)
When I log, it’s during primetime and I hope for balanced fights, scissors-movement and stuff like this with my 15-25 warband. But it’s hard to get.

Anyway I agree we should do something to try and get a pleasant game for everybody. Small warbands was the natural format of VS at the very beginning (for various reasons) but it was a bad format to face what the opponents we had. So I guess there should be a way to come back to this.

But everybody has to bear the fact it will take quite some time. Especially since it’s easy to call your mates when your are losing a 20vs25 (and it becomes a 40vs25 then a 40vs60, etc… You see what I mean).

So we can all try to do this, but it’s a long way. Long long way.

Nightingale.8364:

…

I won’t argue about things I have no idea of. The numbers I gave are facts.
Obviously, nobody can’t know whether the dudes never talking that are playing in the main group of the map are speaking French.
Of course, we have a fraction of people not coming to the TS so you might be right.
But the following statement look reasonable :
– they were not here when we had hard times against Deso/SFR. (As you said, they want number 1)
– they will go out of VS when VS will (I hope it will) have hard times again
So we shouldn’t really bother. At times like this, nobody needs organization, but it’s needed in challenging matchup. When the challenging matchup are here, I bet the composition of the server is French speaking, close to those 99%
Or maybe not and I am wrong.

For the responsibility over the whole EU game, that’s a tough one. There’s nobody to do this. That’s the duty of Anet.
Even Troma is only a representative of GC. GC is not all VS, far from that. What if I told you many people think GC is useless on VS ? We have learnt to live with it. Troma doesn’t make decisions like some server-boss : he does RP posts & tries to solve dramas between people. That’s it, and that’s why VS is rather a successful experiment.
Even if the whole GC made a decision to do something or something else, hell, it’s still only GC.
The only one time there was a trial of a server wide decision (alliance with AR against RUIN-desolation), it was an awful horrible gigantic drama. Didn’t work.
Vizunah is a pug server. The change must come from Anet. Sorry guys.

I do agree however it would be nice to have something done, but I just think we can hardly do a thing.

To answer Lelith : who could say to VS people : hey, please do not log on 3W, there’s not enough people on borderlands so we agreed to limit entry to 20 people to make it challenging & balanced.
It doesn’t even read good. I mean, I want a balanced game, but before that I want a game.
I still log on to TF2, cause I love the game, even if I feel a god now, facing very few challenging opponents, the quality having drop so low, even if I was at best a medium player.
I don’t see a constructive workaround here…
Now, here is my hope : that I am wrong.

Air.3154:

It’s a shame it ended how it is now.

I do agree. Definitely.

Unfortunately (or thankfully), there’s nobody ever having the whole picture.

AndrewSX.3794:

But try to understand ours: we spent our time and energies to build a community which plays differently and who aim to the top, we held our ground and worked hard for it, kept trying to improve and then what? All gets crushed, and not for our fault or your pressure, but from the above of Anet insane decision. And now it’s all gone.

It’s not a good feeling, i can assure you.

That, I think I can understand. You build it and it’s crushed by something you have no control over.

Just so that the discussion would be constructive, here’s why the debate is so hot I think : VS was built on pugs, with the idea “everyone is a one” and welcoming to newcomers. SFR, from the vision I have which might be wrong of course, was around the “guilds above all – pugs go away”-elitist approach.

People on VS can’t understand this attitude, it looks arrogant. People on SFR don’t understand the VS attitude as well. So some people on VS it’s “normal” that SFR is “punished” for not having been able to cope with something looking normal and even helpful : a mass of newcomers.

It’s like discussing Politics on forums. With the difference Anet can change the situation how they want. I guess they want pug servers.

Vizunah is communist !

If you really want it, I think it’s do-able to find the exact dates of everything, maybe build a graph, and you’ll see that the flow of events is coincidental.

I very well remember that week. People on VS were quite depressed, we saw that Anet opened the free transfers to SFR which was expected to be even worse for us (we were expecting to see an even higher coverage from both Deso and SFR, while we were already failing to win at night & morning). And nearly all the commanders were on their knees. Actually, at that time, the “new” Vizunians (LNM, among others) did a huge contribution but they were starting to burn as well.

Troma saw this and did a last of the last CTA. I think it was supposed to be the last one like “hey we did what we could but it’s the end”. I really was thinking it was desperate. I think part of the purpose was to be able to have a basis on which we would re-build. With the “we never give up” spirit.

We were no aware SFR was actually having problems with pugs instead of being reinforced by them. There were some rumors (basically the posts on the official thread), but I was thinking (and many with me) that it was some kind of strange propaganda.

Intention was to save VS, nothing more, nothing less, and I was thinking it was a lost cause.

I swear, as well, that it was my perspective.

As for the present situation, /sigh…

For your information, there are 2 bank holidays this week in France.

Wednesday (historical stuff) and Thursday (religious stuff). This also means there is a huge amount of people taking at least the Friday as a holiday too.

Just a fact, so you know.

Nightingale.8364:

Just a point to Troma. You say that 99% of VZ is EU based, and that you have no members from canada and australia. That is not true, if you didnt know it thats fine but dont go making statements saying that all your wvw players are EU based and just play at 3AM in the morning. La réunion, for example, you have players from this island which is well outside of EU timezones, and dont come back and tell me that you dont, there is even a gw2 gaming community site which can easily be found using Google where they specifically state the play on your server.

Its probably the same for all the DOM-TOM islands around the world which also are not Mainland EU based (they are defacto members of the EU but no where near based here, maybe you were just trying to play with words). Please dont use the argument that you do not have overseas coverage on your server, its easy to check.

Maybe I’ll do once and for all a big post about France and French speaking people all around the world.

Let’s begin with La Réunion since you talk about it. It’s NOT out of EU timezone because it’s GMT +4 hours. That’s exactly Moscow time. Remember, Earth is round.

Now, what about the playerbase of La Réunion ?

Let’s first sum up the french-speaking people in EU timezone : France, part of Belgium, part of Switzerland, some people in Africa, Africa being in the EU timezone (just have a look on a map, it ranges from GMT+0 to GMT+3, which is less that Russia once again). You get something along 80 to 90 million people.

La Réunion is 0.8 million. That’s less than 1% and I’d even say that If I were living in such a paradise, I would be surfing and getting my leg eaten by a shark than playing some videogames indoor.
Now, I won’t do the calculations, you are free to Wikipedia the stuff, but the same goes for La Martinique, La Guadeloupe and Guyane in terms of population and population geekiness. Of course, these 3 territories are GMT -3 and GMT -4, so yeah, that’s outer of EU timezone. Could have had an impact, but I don’t recall having discussion with anyone from those places when I played at night.

Actually, that’s close to Canadian timezone. Here we go. What about the calculation here ?
Québec is 8 million people, rather really interested in videogames compared to other countries in the world, and GMT -5. Now we are talking ! Except there’s a little problem : when Arborstone hired Armata from Canada to play with them (20 people) against us, we as Vizunah contacted ALL the guilds we were able to find at that time and all answered : nah, we are well inegrated on NA servers, we won’t move, there’s nothing of interest in Europe for us.

On the other side of the world, there still is some French speaking people : Polynésie Française, Nouvelle Calédonie and smaller Wallis & Futuna. Nouvelle-Calédonie is GMT+11, 0.25 million inhabitants. It’s quite small, however I think there was/is a guild from there playing on one French server (but not Vizunah). La Polynésie, GMT -10, is about the same number of people but much more scattered throughout many islands. Honestly, except in Papeete the capital (.025 m), there is just no way they have a decent ping. And there is no way you want to play videogames when you live there.

All other French DOM-TOM are extremely small (or lack inhabitants) except the “recently acquired” Mayotte which is quite poor. So that’s it.

I guess there are some people in Vietnam still speaking French, but I “fear” it’s only the old.

In my opinion, from what I heard, the bigger portion of French-speaking people playing on not-EU times are French/Belgian/Swiss people working abroad, in any country of the world. But I think there is also a lot of German/Russian/whatever people doing the same. So it should be comparable. I don’t think French people are specific for their willingness to travel.

In the end, we end up with the same conclusion Troma and others repetitively gives you all : people playing at night on VS are people with different work schedules or jobless or in love with the game or insomniac. And some nerds.

MagnusLL.8473:

Is it true that several guilds are moving from SFR back to Piken, or is it some weird form of trolling?

Consider you have a server which success is based on big numbers, but numbers are getting too big for your own guild to enter the 3W.

How do you “get rid of the pugs” (especially when you despise them) ?

Answer this question and you’ll have the answer to yours.

Sacrx.6721:

[…]

In a nutshell : come to SFR, we are already the strongest, don’t bother going on any other of EU server since their population is already decreasing (which will give us even more domination), it might give you some challenge and some balance to the ladder. Everybody knows such things are bad.

Also the ‘viz will only keep coming back with more offpeak’ is a plain lie. French-speaking people don’t grow on trees and hardly any non-French speaking person will come to Vizunah (although it’s a great experience to be lived).

Recrutement threads never changes…

graverr.6473:

DeadlyRush.1620:

EU will be considered lightly. Our members are mostly from SEA and AUS, most having an average bandwidth of only 1MB which will effect our ping and lag (Dunno how the new culling will effect our lines also)

There is only 1 way to find out .Get a few guys transfer for a week so you can check out the whole matchup/situation/Ping.Actually i recomend you try and send more scouts over to the servers you are considering and it will provide a far better view.Choices like this are better not rushed and is hard to make one on merely videos a few recruiting posts .Go live and see the real deal with you own eyes.My 2 cents

In addition to this suggestion, I suggest to have a look at the various matchup threads between the servers in the 3W section.

This provide you with a far more honest picture on the atmosphere of each and every server you might be interested in.

A ‘recrutement thread’ will only show so much. The ‘live’ discussion between the people will be much more relevant – although that’ll be quite some time spent reading. I do believe it’s worthwile, it’s not a small decision you’ll be taking.

In Europe, I don’t remember having seen trolls from Elonafels so my vote would definitely go to them.
I don’t know, maybe they shut their forum warriors in the German section. Or maybe there’s none on their server <3

Although we have Troma’s very nice posts, we also have some forum warriors so I don’t think VS deserves being named here.

Phoebe Ascension.8437:

The reason i’m asking these questions is because i’m tired of the ‘no we don’t have american time zone people’, but ’ we have a life, it’s not france +1 gmt people morning capping. Contradiction I don’t like.

Ok, so I think I understood the issue. The link that’s missing is the following one : not all French people living in that gmt+1 timezone have the same shifts for their jobs.

That’s how you can still have a vast majority of people living in that gmt+1 timezone but still people having a life while having some number at different times.

Also, there are people who won’t mind exceptionally to wake up earlier or go to bed later to help our server.
That’s server dedication and I understand there are a lot of people who don’t want to do it (even on VS actually). But once in a while remains once in a while. It means those people can still have a successful career & family life.
On the other hand, (once in a while) x (a big number of dedicated people) = some kind of success.

And yep, you can get honesty on the internet.
You don’t build a community on lies.

Empyre.2531:

Nice try. We never changed servers to take out Vizunah. Our first goal is always to get good fights (why you think we went to NA and t2 or lower servers with no chance of going t1?), if Viz goes down to t2 eventually that’s a nice sideeffect.

Is Sacrx anyhow related to RG ?

Cipaku.9675:

Good SS man!:) It becomes awesome if you read whats said in chat in the first SS:)

Bure – SFR

Good finding Troma.

“Hey let’s pretend I am from X server and trash all X’s opponents”. Such a shame…

Like… Waw…

I start to believe Cipaku is not a VS player but some SFR dude pretending to be VS.

The posts makes just no sense : the purpose is obviously to troll Desolation and that’s pretty much it. I see a an obvious “hidden” agenda there.

Anyway, that kind of hateful & arrogant speech deserves reporting.

I was going to argue but Genev answered for me.

Also, Vizunians do charge even in well-known guilds on a regular basis. But hardly all the time.

That’s the difference. Please do not over-exagerate.

LordByron.8369:

It almost never happened to have the commander i followed to outnumber vizs…unless we pinched them after a fight against deso…..

I was a VS commander on last Friday morning and we got our face zerged over and over by SFR. And it was mostly a well-known SFR guild.

Wasn’t able to play much since then but see, it depends on the time and day. It’s a matter of perspective.

So I just strongly oppose the few SFR guild masters claiming VS & Desolation are the mothers of zergs. SFR is doing that as well, and in my opinion even more, much more.

See, that’s a start for a constructive discussion.

Also, even if his post got moderated, I oppose as well the dude claiming Desolation is to be compared to Far Shiverpeaks or Blacktide. It’s not. Desolation faced huge problems, and has risen up. That deserves respect.

Truebanakitten936:

Those french server runs with something like 2/3 pugs and the commanders have to do with what they have. When the commanders doesn’t have more balls than the average pug, you can see what’s the result.

That’s a good start if there is a try to reach mutual understanding.

Vizunah is a pug server and I actually begin to believe it’s the close to what Anet intended as a regular server : organized pugs, everybody’s welcome philosophy, good atmosphere.

Now, any commander knows you don’t crush an optimized guild at equal numbers with such a setup. Great. That’s why it’s 3W : you have forts, you have siege, you have camps and cliffs. Many many ways to turn the tide.
A good and timely retreat to lure a stronger party is a smart move. It’s not a matter of balls, it’s a matter of brain.

I would have personally preferred Anet developed a GvG in GW2. I was fond of that gameplay in GW1. It’s not the case. It’s sad but that’s it.

Please refrain from spreading hatred because other servers play the game the way it was meant to be played.

Sin.5871:

So we should call SFR the nightcapper server now?

playandchill.3908:

Ok mods. Too many flame there.

Let’s post a score update as MOS website is randomly down today. This was this night.

Have fun all !!!

Maybe the SFR propaganda on claiming others do the exact thing SFR is doing should stop.

Massive forum warrioring by SFR on T1 matchup thread started even before SFR was in T1.

And massive zerging come from that server as well, bringing nasty game in T1, while posts from the previous T1 matchups will show people we were starting to have balanced games, with WvWvW for those enjoying it and GvG for the others.

Maybe stopping the denial and lies would be a great start.

Fanfaron.6109:

Zepolak.2095:

SFR forum warriors… SFR forum warriors everywhere…

I had a look at how the thread has gone since my last post (with the well deserved congrats to SFR).

Well… It’s just a shame.

Just a shame.

thats pure shame https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Grand-Cross-Vizunah-alliance-position/first

and now it’s your last stand on forum or what?

No, it’s not. Maybe the Google Translate went wrong, but there is hardly any shame in making a statement explaining the fact several guilds on Vizunah agreed on not following a spontaneous focus.

I would say it’s actually quite the opposite – willing to enforce real 1vs1vs1 and avoiding influencing the ladder.

Oh, also, La Main Noire might not be in Grand Cross but there’s no point in trying to spread some vile rumors on their account.

I don’t know what person from MN was seen, why and where (if that’s ever true which I doubt), but for the record, there’s also one CPC on SFR. It’s not like it’s having any impact of CPC on Vizunah. Except the fact it might have been a factor of mutual understanding. Lost opportunity I guess.

Also, the nastier this forum will get, the less fun the game will be.

Your call.

SFR forum warriors… SFR forum warriors everywhere…

I had a look at how the thread has gone since my last post (with the well deserved congrats to SFR).

Well… It’s just a shame.

Just a shame.

Congratulations to SFR players for a well deserved victory, that’s quite a nice come-back. GG.

I would like to thank Desolation players as well for having kept it a 1vs1vs1 throughout the week (except the very first stages but whatever). It’s cool because it allows some field encounters – more than in a case of a 2vs1 where the 1 is just obliged to fortify and react. And I know some people enjoy that field gameplay.

And finally, although it’s rather nasty to congratulate one’s own side, I am really impressed and happy with Vizunah’s behavior this week. Considering the odds 7 days ago, I’d say it’s quite a good result, I’ve seen quite nice stuff, congrats as well (although I am going to go laying in my bathtub and crying all the tears of my body right now, eh, a loss is a loss ).

Enjoyed it, and looking forward for more !

Although I disagree with the message, I really enjoyed your post Frenk.

If only there were less forum warriors on SFR and more posters like you…

But heh, look at the posts of the grand leader of SFR…

Sacrx.6721:

This just gives me time to focus everything all week on JS so kodash come 2nd and then when elona come down they go t3 after double german focus just for some love i give to JS. Then i look forward to seeing Viz and js together in t2.

Who is this ?
There will be this and that. Then that and this.
A god or something ?

Well, before the thread is closed due to yet another situation of kittentalking, I guess people have the position of one of the component of Vizunah and there’s hardly anything to discuss about it.

As people enjoy playing rather than having meetings and such, there will be quite some time before you have any other such ‘official stance’, I guess.

And people are free to believe any temporary 2v1 in the game are some complex scheme created by some obviously evil force. And they will always be.

For now, there is 4h remaining until the reset, and a very small amount of rating points difference. Maybe there’s something to do, maybe not. It reminds me of the week when the victory in T1 was only decided on Friday at ~23h. Was pretty exciting, although it was a loss for us.

Have fun, all !

graverr.6473:

Ahahahaa .Really ? And you guys on vizunah fell right for it .

Do you ever stumble upon Sacrx posts before they get deleted ?

I’ve already said this, I’ll said once more : hate never builds.

Also, Grand Cross is not Vizunah. Grand Cross is a part of Vizunah. People are free.

Wothan.4673:

What kind of ppl do you think convince with that ?

You are free to take whatever you want from anything that is provided to you out there.

You are free to have any belief you have.

I guess it can be helped to have some people thinking Troma is a guru and responsible for any action by Vizunah server.

Now you have a decision made by a part of the Vizunah server after a vote (that requires time, you see).

You are free to do whatever you want with that.

Yeah, manipulation, really Troma is only about manipulation. No wonder it’s the exact way of thinking of someone building (let’s say helping to build) a community.

Where do you see Vizunah whining ? I mostly see SFR forum warriors…

I think your frame of mind is really strange, Grok, it’s really a lot about hate. It’s really kind of sad.

Jesus, “power games”…

I remember there was someone who said in one of these old topics where VS was double-teamed and people were complaining : "there are only French people to believe 3W is about 1vs1vs1. 3W is really about 2vs1 and not being the ‘1’ ".

Well, I think we do still believe 3W is about 1v1v1 but it’s pretty clear SFR does not believe that. Dunno what opinion is most prevalent on Desolation though, and it’s pretty clear Elonafels believe in 1v1v1 as well.

2v1 means the ‘1’ is completely obliged to camp in his towers & forts.
It’s horrible gameplay.

On the ‘biggest test’ topic, I think RUIN in tier1 was already a pretty solid test. Along with XAOC. So I don’t believe it will be the ‘biggest test’, but I believe we’ll have to fight hard.

The ‘test’ topic is rather for SFR :

Is hate really building communities ?

Cause Vizunah and Elona consistency is really about the consistency of the communities out there. And Desolation is finally succeeding in it as well, pretty unexpectedly good actually, in spite of the RUIN and other bandwagonners blows.
There was quite some good job done there.

At some point in the time, maybe people on SFR will take a step back and understand 2-3 things:

• Massive transfers breaking the concept of ladder implemented by Anet which is supposed to provide nice and balanced match-ups for everybody
• Gaming the ladder (remember the “we lose on purpose to have a better tier when there is going to be a reset of rankings”)
• Server-hate

There are bad guys out there, and there is a server with bad guys yeah, and it’s not Vizunah.

Also, Deso, Elona, Vizunah. No hate, respectful discussions, nice fights.

And so SFR appears (or want to appear) and what do we already see ?

Kittentalking. Again.

/sigh

Please…

That’s a good answer, thank you Gaile.

As a matter of fact, considering my password was already unique before the implementation of your new rules, I was merely waiting for the day it will force me to change. It was forethought.

But if that’s actually been live for days and you have some sort of load-balancing to force different people at different times (because I played yesterday), then it’s fine, it’s a good solution and I am merely stroke by bad luck to have it just today.

Although I cannot say I am happy right now (I did 3 dungeons for… Nothing… Yay), let me take the opportunity to thank you and the teams for the very good game – else I wouldn’t have spent that much time on it. Yeah, pretty much stating the obvious.
Good day to you.

Well, that wouldn’t be an issue if the server handling password changes wasn’t down I guess.

So that server is down. It keeps telling me ‘you haven’t changed your password lately. At Arenanet, we’ve implemented […]’

You see, the end of the month is the last chance to do the ‘monthly’.

And for someone pretty much un-interested in anything else than PvP (actually RvR), hating anything close to farming (which the dailies are pretty much about), the monthly is the only way to get purple gear (and be optimised, see, the PvP-only focus (oh, remember, the promise not to have to grind to get the best gear, anyway, forget about that))…

Anyway, I understand, no monthly for me. No purple gear anytime soon. (And my motivation fading away, but hey, the real thing will be March RvR Update.) But, please can you tell the team or whoever is responsible for it not to enforce anything that may prevent people to play just before the end of the month ?

Cause, well, in the end, we all know there is kind of a lot of instability out there and usually, some servers goes down when something new is put in place.

Thanks a lot in advance.

I don’t think blind hate is a building force.

So many good server were destroyed already. So many communities could have been, if only there was some building spirit instead of that hatred.

I don’t understand how one can (still) be a leader and fail to get this.

And what example does show a leader trashing whole other servers ?

It’s been a long time since the last time I may remember an actual 1v1v1 during a reset. Playing on VS homemap this night, I was really surprised and happy to be able to catch breath.
Because that means you can actually think tactics and strategy instead of merely hopelessly extinguishing fires.
I don’t really doubt the fact the absence of 2v1 against VS will really help us in keeping a good score, but it’s sooooooo nice to be able to avoid having to chose only between desperate defenses and suicide rushes on ennemy siege.

@suprNovae. : MN has always been on VS EB. Maybe you are confusing with Arborstone MM, but I don’t know where they went (maybe Jade Sea). On the other hand, I am not denying we got influx of some AR guilds – just that neither MN nor MM are one of them.

On a personal note, I am veeeeery sad of seeing the ending of AR. I have always thought they were pretty good opponents, very nice fights against them. They were bringing variety to T1 & T2 with the primetime elitist approach (among other things and qualities) and that will be missed.

And finally last : I’d like to encourage SFR.
Thing is, servers that went to T1 break down to 2 categories really. You have the one with Elona & Desolation, and you have the one with Blacktide, FS and now Arborstone (:(). For instance, honestly, with the RUIN thing, I was sure Desolation was doomed and yet they managed to rebuild their community and here they are.
SFR, it’s really only in how you’ll manage the next 3 weeks. A server community (that’ll last is built) when it loses. It’s a lot of work, but it’s worth it !

Congratulations !

It was a blast !

Stop it, guys, there’s 11h to go. Don’t make that mistake !

Good job so far, it’s quite breath-taking to follow the end from work now, but good luck for the last hours !

Vizunah can make, you will make it.

That’s the name of one of our most renown EB leaders.
Apparently, he got hacked.
That’s pretty bad bad news I see here…

Also, in such a case, that I have also witnessed in previous matchups against my server, please be pro enough to report the account directly rather than posting publicly claiming the whole opposing server is cheating.
Thanks in advance !

Anyway, having the heads of RUIN moving out of GW2 looks like the best piece news for a lot of people out there.
Let’s summarize it : unwanted in the NA ladder. And unwanted in the EU ladder after only 2 weeks of presence.
I actually cannot think of any guild anywhere with such a bad resume.
We’ll see next week how much the move of the remaining RUIN people will change the nature of Blacktide.
Good luck to Desolation to rebuild on the ashes they left on your server !

Good luck & have fun !

I am actually looking forward to see the Disorder League in action again. These were some nice fights in the time and I was longing to see FS come back again in T1.

It’s going to be an interesting week, at the least.

While there will certainly be something implemented to alleviate the feeling of getting steamrolled sometimes, I think (and hope) there will hardly be any big change to the scoring system.

The reason why is there is simply no way to do that. How will you compensate the fact Russians wake up 3 hours earlier than French people, get back from work 3 hours earlier and go to bed 3 hours earlier as well ? (Just an example)

If you make the number of points dependent on the number of players (one of the very best solution I’ve read), you leave a hole for exploitive behaviors (massive disconnections, or worse, the fact of having the guys of your server not disconnecting, not giving up, damaging your server’s score). What’s next ? Same kind of modification for the quantity of dolyak supplies ? Because you’ll always feel the game isn’t fair enough and that there’s something to do. Each time a more complicated solution.

The only way to really solve this issue lies actually in one of the first Anet posts. The community to even out the servers. Spread population through the servers.

While at first I was like ‘Oh Anet, you are expecting people to behave in a mature way in a MMO, good luck, that’s not going to happen’, there is just no other way in my opinion, after having given it quite some thinking and having read most of the proposed solutions in the various threads, about the issue.

How to do it, well, that’s a whole other story, but considering the game is quite young, here, as a community, we are given the challenge : migrate or recruit people to make the game the more balanced possible, the way we want it.

The tools are here.

Now, it’s the story of the people that make it happen. Or merely not, searching elsewhere their perfect game. I don’t know what’ll happen. We’ll see.

I don’t believe in a miracle developed by Anet people. There’s just no way to compensate the world’s constraints (timezones, cultures, even deep structural choices) & complexity.

Here lies our liberty of choice & reaction.

Our move. (Hopefully)

hunTShoo.1247:

vizunah got the nightbonus, fs the exploitbonus. riverside – the fairplay bonus, but who cares fairplay its about being #1 in europe (lol)

Riverside camped the jumping puzzle this night on FS :P

No hard thoughts though, I clearly don’t care about that.

I have to admit it has been a great pleasure and a pain in the <insert kitten here> to play against you and I am happy we are matching again. With Desolation, we were never obliged to watch our backs and expect the 3rd server to come in through the opened doors and just steal what the 2 other servers have been working on to attack/defend.
That’s exactly what a 1vs1vs1 should look like. I was really feeling FS and RS was teaming up (as my guild was defending Vizunah homemap last week) while I am sure you feel pretty much the same.

Great respect to Riverside, good games, tough battles, it’s a pleasure !

By the way, as a matter of fact, to answer the topic, the strongest server in Europe is #1, but I actually do not really care about being first, second or whatever (when we started organizing before BWE1, we were not thinking we’ll be that high tbh), what I care is great battles at the time I log, and a sense of progression, and being better at the game, and that’s what happening.

FS, RS, get some even better organization (it’s already nice to see but there’s always room for improvement), maybe recruit some off-peak and kick our kittens, I can’t wait to see VS outscored, that’ll be en even greater motivation.

Thanks a lot for the great battles, FS & RS, & see you on the field !