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Need tips for a dungeon Guardian

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So i finally finish the personal story for my Guardian, and now i want to get into dungeon running. Im just not entirely sure what traits, skills or weapons i should be using in a dungeon.

Using 0/0/30/30/10 & working on full knight armor with cleric jewlery, 6 soldier runes:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fUEQFASlYgyCXFyvDf4ERWhRi9Aje8jXPooDZIA

Iv tried a few story dungeons and i always survive great against most things, but the party usually died rather quickly and i couldnt help but think if its was because of my setup?. Should i be using mace/shield rather then hammer?. Any tips is most welcome for a dungeon running guardian!.

P.s should i aim for the AC armor Pow/Vit/Tough?.

Build looks fine, stats look fine, if your party is dieing and your not, then it’s not your fault, as long as your removing conditions and helping people up. Guardians are supposed to survive. So it’s working as intended.

How much crit is needed for Empowering Might

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Ok, so with a quick test, switching from GS to Staff, using SY, Staff Might skill and then swapping to GS for WW The most Might I’ve been able to stack is about 18 but it only really lasted for a few seconds. Now without having to do super combo Sunday there, with GS and SY I can grab maybe 5 stacks. Which I’m assuming in a group will add up with other perks and do extremely well. Plus the added bonus of AH every time they get a might boon. I’d say I’m doing my profession the right way.

A Guardian. Or how it feels like.

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Warrior got boring, Is Guardian right for me?

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Thanks urthona for actually giving a real answer and taking literally 1 minute to read the whole post, seriously some pople either read very slow, are plain rude or are just lazy.

I like the longsword skills but i HATE the looks, unless they add some smaller looking greatswords, i like 2 hand swords that are smaller, hence in wow they have them but in wow their not called greatswords.

If anyone has a gs skin that isnt too big, actually one thats smallest u can get please link me a pic / name!

Theirs one small gs you can find at the begening of human zones

Not the claymore – looking one this one im refering too doesnt have a “gaurd” At the hilt part, as in no horizontol points stickin out where blade and hilt meet ; this one i like but its very bland, perhaps like most other weapons, this one has a re-skin thats exotic ?

I’m still on the fence about my choice, so some of you guys are telling me that a warrior can melee in zergs also? i do like that if a warrior can melee in zergs as good as a guardian AND the warrior has ranged options (great options at that!) – LB &Rifle then i may have to go with warrior.

But their sooo BORING i like being able to use complex skills and magic in heavy armor im just not sure if its what i expected!!!

So theirs no good DAMAGE viable non full support gaurdians??

Someone told me warrior SUCK in WvW and PvP and that warriors cant tank or deal damage and that guardians dmg dealing is on par with more survivability ? And that guardians own at both?

PVP is completely different when it comes to dmg. You have less control over the damage you do to other players then you do with a mob that is standing right in front of you. Guardian dmg is not currently on par with warrior, HOWEVER we can typically stay in fights longer because of healing and blocks, therefore making us a more annoying target to kill or takedown.

Do note that as for ranged, guards have crap range and you will be kited all over if you dson’t play smart. Scepter dps is slow and can easily be dodged.

Warrior got boring, Is Guardian right for me?

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I want to be viable for wvw pve pvp in that order i leveled my warrior to lvl 45 and then realised hes just kind of boring, now my main play style in all rpgs is a spell sword kind of guy so the gaurdian always apealed to me but other people were telling me a guardian cant do good damage and in wvw is not the best because he doesnt have a ranged option.

Now i do sometimes LIKE being in the big zerg – force, not always but sometimes a zerg is required for taking down big keeps in wvw, i mos def. wanna be able to damage stuff in zergs, im more of a damagy player then pure tank.

I did dabble in world of warcraft and i did like the paladin class their a lot, i played a ret pally which offered great survivability with awesome damage, Im not exactly saying i need a ret counter-part i just dont wanna be pure support.

So mainly i would love a class that can go melee in zergs viably, as the warrior seems to owned if im not VERY VERY carefull running in and going melee on enemy zerg (with my zerg ofcourse).

As the gaurdian has no ranged options i need to know if i stop playing my lvl 45 warrior, and continue on leveling my lvl 12 guardian that i will be viable in zergs going full melee as its my only real good option, besides being full support, but you dont get drops from being support or any rewards.

Ive never been the kind of player that likes playing monks and or solely team buffing / protecting characters and the like so i dont mind some support but i would like to be based around:
Self buffing myself, buffing my team is a plus

-Dealing good damage,
-Being about to revert damage back, or being able to take hits long enough to deal decent damage in zergs in melee range (the warrior i couldnt stay around long enough in melee range to deal significant damage, and this is what i hear from people who main lvl 80 warrios is too.)
-Being able to play a class similair to a spellsword.

Now onto my last problem…

It seems for warrior / Gaurdian that greatswords are the only weapon that really fits my play style (greatsword as a main weapon)
My delema is i HATE the look of greatswords their alll redic. big like Final fantasy heck even in wow they had decent looking 2hand swords that looked like normal swords or 1 handed swords that you just weild with two hands

I tried 1 hand sword on gaurdian and it just seems meh Especially for WvW now i love the shield for the guardian (is the shield good in wvw?) I would prefer

1 hand sword / shield & staff as my weapons of choice for my wvw / pve guardian build but i want to do decent damage and also the greatsword skills just seem way more fun and better. So either tell me is their a greatsword that looks small?

i found 1 example which is one of the first greatswords you get its found in the human starting zone its very skinny and bland looking but it looks like a 1 hand sword just with a long hilt, is their any GOOD looking swords that look like this?

Its a shame theirs so many good looking 1 hand swords but i just cant find them viable.

Anything thanks ahead of time people and i hope you can answer my many questions.

And since you “dabbled” with WoW, Guardian is NOTHING like pally at all. Not ret pally, not prot pally, not holy pally. Guards in GW2 are basically buff giving battle mages. You have access to just about every buff in the game, you were heavy armor and you provide constant, not great support and damage.

Warrior got boring, Is Guardian right for me?

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I didn’t read your whole post, but I will say this.

If you like playing support, being hard to kill, while dealing mediocre damage and having the worst range in game, then go with the guardian.

If you like killing stuff, go the warrior.

I agree with this statement, having played only a guardian.

Empowering Might is a bad skill and is not OP

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…That is the point of this topic. I somehow managed to get 25 stacks of might using just my greatsword.

Even if you used all Boon Duration items/gear/traits, you’d get at most 10 seconds of Might from Empowering Might, and that’s at best 10 stacks with it’s cooldown.

So you either managed to hit 25 targets with Wrathful Strike, or _Shelter_ed (but you’re using Signet) 25 attacks with Might of the Protector in 2 seconds, or there was an Elementalist passing nearby.

Maybe with Staff and crits/EM you can get near 25, but Shelter heal doesn’t give Might….

AH Healing Power Can't Be That Good...

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AH is more of a synergy trait then something to be counted on for big heals. As a guard your constantly applying boons to allies, works even better with EM, that applies might boon with crit. So constant healing.

Empowering Might is a bad skill and is not OP

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Are you talking about PoV or EM? Because your title says something different than your post.

EM

Empowering Might is a bad skill and is not OP

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So glad I traded Pure of Voice for Soldier Runes.

That’s sarcasm right? Cause if not, explain.

How much crit is needed for Empowering Might

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I tried it in PvP with around 40% crit chance, and had near constant up-time.

Yeh, sound like I’ll be sacrificing a bit of vit for crit then. Empowering might is just too good for dungeon content to not have.

How much crit is needed for Empowering Might

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I’m trying a build around EM and AH, with shouts and knight gear. I’d like to keep around 3k armor, don’t really care about health. Is there any advice for me as to build. I’ve tried 0/10/30/30/0 and 0/20/30/20/0. With the first build I only have around 29% crit and the second it goes up to about 34%. Should I stack more crit and lose some HP. I’m currently sitting between 17-18k health with these builds. Any advice is helpful.

Oh, btw runes are soldier and sigil on weapon is bloodlust.

Karka=toughness feel like wearing paper

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Yeah the new drakes bleed something shocking, i have over 3400 armor when using a shield and over 3200 when using a GS etc. I attacked a drake and it landed a 3 stack bleed on me and my HP just went way down so fast.

Time for a Vit/Power/Prec (i used knights in PvE) set i recon.

You could use soldier runes.

Karka=toughness feel like wearing paper

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Wall Of Reflection is working wonders, once they start channeling, they are down to like 25% and I can finish them easy.

Karka=toughness feel like wearing paper

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Stop being cheap and get your soldier runes up.
Should build is viable enough if you don’t use spirit weapons instead.

As for armor… so what would other light and medium armor classes will say?
they don’t even have half of our defensive utilities and skills, just learn to adapt and get over it.

I have similar stats to the ones posted above. So your cheap crack is misplaced. As for Cursed Shore, That’s bullkitten, mobs in the Cursed Shore only tick me for 500- SOMETIMES 800 per tick and it’s not a constant channel of ticks. Do you even play this game?

Karka=toughness feel like wearing paper

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Guardians can’t dps? You don’t say…

PVP is much different then PVE.

Karka=toughness feel like wearing paper

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I have 3k armor with shield and sword equipped and I’m being hit for 1.5 – 2.5k a tick by normal karka mobs and the drakes. WTF?!?! This doesn’t make the game fun or a challenge. Unless they release new gear or something to combat of dmg, I’m not going to be participating in new content. It’s bad enough Guard dps is wet noodle. The one thing we had going is toughness now that’s being shred to bits.

New Concept Build For Gaurdian

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I’ve been contemplating a new build design for my guardian as of late to give my Guardian some extra “Umpf” while fighting with my friends. Diving heavily into the Radiance and Virtues trait lines I think I’ve found something that might prove viable. I would also like to note that this isn’t really a solo build, I’ve sacrificed a good amount of Toughness and Vitality for greater damage output. (Also sorry in advance if I’m just figuring out something that has already been found, I suppose this will just be my take on it).

For traits I’ve gone:
10- Power: Fiery Wrath minor trait
25- Radiance: Shimmering Defense (minor), and Radiant Fire (major)
5- Valor
5- Honor
25- Virtues: Vengeful (minor), and Retaliatory Subconscious (major)

The weapons I’ve been using with this is a Sword/Torch and GS combo. With Shaman/ Carrion stats.

I’m also using Carrion armor with Runes of the Forge on them.

For the Utility Skills are as follows: Shelter (6), “Save Your Selves!” (7) Contemplation of Purity (8) and Signet of Judgement (9). Elite Skill I’ve been using is Tome of Wrath, but really use whatever you like here.

The theory is this: while partying with friends/guild/ or whoever in a condition heavy environment we would use Save Your Selves to draw conditions from our party members; then once we have the conditions on us we’d use Contemplation of Purity to then turn those conditions into boons. With our 25 points into Virtues we gain more damage for each boon on us. And with our torches/burning skills our points into Radiance give us more condition damage, coupled with the traits I’ve chosen to deal further damage to enemies suffering from burning and other conditions. Skill 9 I feel is up to the player’s tastes (along with the Elite skill). I’ve chose the Signet of Judgement for a little extra Toughness.

This is my first go at creating my own build and trying to share it with others. If I’ve left out any important information please let me know. Also I’m looking for some more Guardians to help me try out this build. So any help/info would be greatly appreciated! Also please let me know what you think, any suggestions or revisions are welcomed!

I’d like to see this in action. I’ve been through so many builds and spent so much gold and karma on gear, I’m afraid to respec traits anymore.

LVL 80 for a while, not too happy

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0/0/30/30/10 seems pretty popular these days. I.e., AH & Empowering Might. Knight’s gear works great with it – just need to have enough additional precision on your jewelry to get about 1 crit/sec. Groupmates love might

I’ve decided to go with this build. AH + EM with knight gear, and emerald gems for crit so that EM will proc more. I now have something like 17k hp and 3k armor and with bloodlust on the GS and shouts for support I feel like a Juggernaut of buffs. I’m loving this build and armor combo. I’d even be willing to sacrifice some of my hp for crit. Oh and my toughness is near 2k as well, so that compensates for health a bit.

Charr, or Asura?

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I like the Char racial armor, but Asuras look kitten with a GS. Really up to you man.

LVL 80 for a while, not too happy

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I’m running 0/15/0/30/25, and match your DPS (or exceed it with a hammer in PvE). Guardians have extremely powerful boons, easy access to all of the boons in the game, and can apply them to both themselves and allies. We’re also obscenely good at removing conditions with shouts. Healing is doable, but it’s also not something you want to focus on to the exclusion of everything else. The same with support, or anything else really. We’re fantastic generalists; we can do a bit of just about everything. Trying to do one thing to the exclusion of everything else, though, limits our builds severely.

Your build seems like it would have decent dps and more healing but less crit. I’m sitting somewhere around 35-40%. Does that make much of a difference?

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I’ve been 80 for a while and I don’t really know where I fit in dungeons as far as my profession. I read the forums, and full support or tank is frowned upon as being useless. After watching a video of Warrior DPS, I don’t think my guard will ever come close. Now, many will say, but you can live longer blah blah blah, sure. In Fractals dungeon today I just found myself wet noodling mobs with WW with tops maybe 4-5k hit. And helping up falling comrades. kitten for healing, though I don’t have much healing gear. I see these full exotic Guards prancing around and I feel like asking them what their builds are or for advice, but it’s always the same answer, play how you like man. Well I want decent dps and decent healing. Can anyone help me out, please.

Edit: my current build is 30/30/0/5/5
I’ve been stacking knight armor. Don;t have full exotics for accessories yet.

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