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People complaining that fun content shouldn’t be in the game? Only on this forum is that possible. " gasp wow they changed it so its more light hearted !!!!" You people are a joke
I love how you call anyone with a different opinion than you a “vocal minority locust”.
I never asked for this change, I was enjoying the game quite as bit as it was. I’m sure that’s the case for many of the people you refer to as “locusts”. That doesn’t mean we’re not going to enjoy the hell out of a new tier of equipment.
You need to learn to not take life so seriously. Or games for that matter. This new tier of equipment isn’t going to break the game. A game which I might add has only been out for THREE months. They never made a promise that exotic(easy as hell to get) gear was going to be the final stage. So you have to actually do some work if you want to have ascended gear. Buck up kiddo. Expecting to never have anything to progress towards at only 3 months in the game was just stupid on your(and many others) part.
Finally people with common sense
…because they added a new tier of gear. Yeah sure lol
Yeah it’s odd that one tier of gear all of a sudden makes this a wow clone. Uh ok? Lol wow people cry that easily ?
People need to settle down. Wow someone is better geared then you I didn’t know that was the end all be all to this game . This community really went downhill
Yeah lets waste resource and time because people cant stand the fact other people have better gear then them….brilliant idea. not..
Just do some research
Enjoy the whining over something so stupid . Wow
Nah there isn’t you’re just blowing it out of proportion
Stop whining its getting old,
Why because I’m not a constant whiner and complainer ? I’m not the one calling for terminations because I disagree with a decision you guys are so sit down
People calling for terminations really shows how dumb this whole thing is and that the people who supposedly care about the game don’t care at all and are being selfish
It’s offensive and really rude
It’s an optional dungeon and added gear tier. Don’t do it if it bothers you .
Thats not the problem or the point.
I think most people will agree that the new dungeon is one of the best they’ve seen. I think its a fantastic creation, and I give the development team all the credit in the world for it.
The problem people have is the ascended gear treadmill that will ensue, and the fractal level player-gated mechanism. Eventually, low lvl fractal players wont be able to experience it. It is not because they are casual, it is because they do not have 10+ hours a day to devote to the game. If time spent = hardcore level, then most of us would be hardcore because we’ve already sunk hundreds of hours into GW2.
Casual <> noob. The casuals have every right to experience the dungeon just as the hardcores.
That’s the only point ill agree with is that the fractals don’t reset
I don’t know I’m not you. You decide what you should do if you’re so traumatized by a new dungeon
Because outside of this forum everyone likes it so have fun being the minority
What that you need to work to get something ? You need to grind just like you need to grind to get legendaries? Right
Then don’t obtain the gear if you’re going to whine about it
It isn’t being destroyed stop personally attacking people what the hell is wrong with you people
It’s an optional dungeon and added gear tier. Don’t do it if it bothers you .
Lol negative publicity. It’s only this forum that can’t handle an optional gear addition and new dungeon. Seriously get over it dude
Another person who doesn’t understand business. Amd terminate someone because you disagree with a added gear tier and new dungeon ? Do you know how silly that sounds ? Might want to build a bridge and get over it .
Also, I’m not saying that GW1 wasn’t successful. I played and loved GW1. I’m saying it wasn’t an MMO.
Why?
Not in the “Because ArenaNet said it isn’t one” meaning, but rather, what features does GW1 have, or what features is the game missing, that makes you claim it is not a MMO?
game is gw2 not gw1. boom
persistant world.And a persistent world has literally nothing to do with gear grind, so this whole “GW1 was not an MMO” semantics insane argument has no bearing whatsoever without the reality of the discussion.
new dungeon is completely optional. spvp cant use pve gear. pretty sure the game isnt a gear grind.
AND same with GW1. It had completely optinoal dungeons, pvp didn’t use pve gear. So what does a persistent world and whether it was really a “true” MMO have anything to do with the manifesto being improbable? It worked in GW1, GW2 was designed around it, and they just lied. Boom.
And by your logic the entire game is optional. You’re just spouting nonsense words.
no its just common sense. dont like the new dungeon? dont do it. lol
Also, I’m not saying that GW1 wasn’t successful. I played and loved GW1. I’m saying it wasn’t an MMO.
Why?
Not in the “Because ArenaNet said it isn’t one” meaning, but rather, what features does GW1 have, or what features is the game missing, that makes you claim it is not a MMO?
persistant world.
If GW1 did not have gear progression and the only reason why it was not a MMO is the lack of a persistant world, wouldn’t it mean that a game just like GW1 but with a persistant world would basically be a MMO without gear progression?
thats why this is guild wars 2 and not guild wars 1.
Many people who bought the game read the box or feature list.
Does anyone have the box art ?
I have been suggesting people check out their local consumer protection laws to see if there is anything that they can hit ANET with. Problem is I’m in New Zealand, so I doubt my local laws have any power over an internet purchase.
But if it’s on the boxes, then that means it becomes false advertising that my local authorities can take action on.
It also shows how Steam has affected my buying habits that I didn’t even think of checking a box, because I’ve been buying games online for years.
i hope this is a joke.
Different countries have different laws concerning these things so I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s right in the country he lives in. In the US or most of Europe you’re SOL tho.
but they didnt falsely advertise anything. its a completely optional dungeon, just like world vs world and structred pvp is completely optional. i mean COME ON
First they got the money of the “stupid casuals” and the even “more stupid” GW1 veterans and now they are trieing to get the money from WoW kiddies. thats the point
actually no, theyre just improving the game.
Also, I’m not saying that GW1 wasn’t successful. I played and loved GW1. I’m saying it wasn’t an MMO.
Why?
Not in the “Because ArenaNet said it isn’t one” meaning, but rather, what features does GW1 have, or what features is the game missing, that makes you claim it is not a MMO?
persistant world.
And a persistent world has literally nothing to do with gear grind, so this whole “GW1 was not an MMO” semantics insane argument has no bearing whatsoever without the reality of the discussion.
new dungeon is completely optional. spvp cant use pve gear. pretty sure the game isnt a gear grind.
they didnt lie they want to do more with the game
Also, I’m not saying that GW1 wasn’t successful. I played and loved GW1. I’m saying it wasn’t an MMO.
Why?
Not in the “Because ArenaNet said it isn’t one” meaning, but rather, what features does GW1 have, or what features is the game missing, that makes you claim it is not a MMO?
persistant world.
They have had a game out for 7 years based on the “no gear progression” tenet in the manifesto. They know how many bought that game and played that game. So Arenanet has real internal statistics to not only tell them if there is a market for their manifesto but also the potential revenue.
Now after a few years of seeing a certain type of customer buying into the “no gear progression” approach, they decide to make a new product. A new product, GW2, based on this same principle. That means that their stats proved there is a market for horizontal progression based MMO.
Many people who bought the game read the box or feature list. They knew about no raiding, no end game, no gear progression. The huge box sales are further proof that people liked the concept.
Before you say, how do you know? Because there was tons of internet information about it. If you are the type of buyer who does no research on a product before buying, it is your fault when you find it does not have certain features. Don’t bother complaining about things that the product lacks when the seller clearly said it would not contain those features.
It is not a matter of right or wrong. It is a matter of having reasonable financial forecasts based on 7 years of historical data. It is a matter of not overhauling your entire design philosophy after your product has been out for only 3 months. Quality CFOs and Marketing executives would be shocked at what they have just done. This is not a small change or tweak. It is a complete redesign of their product within a short timeframe. And worse, it is product that by their own admission, has exceeded their box sales projections.
Their only other source of on-going revenue right now is the cash shop. If there is concern about low purchases in that, figure out ways to get people to buy (new items, promotions, etc).
What does adding a gear treadmill have to do with cash shop purchases? What proof do they have that those people will buy anything in the store? They can not use GW1 cash shop statistics as an indicator because that game was based on horizontal progression. What is their data that supports such an assumption?
They have cannibalized their product. Within 4-6 months, they will see the financial impact of that decision. If they were right and paying customers dig the change, then it may work out. If they were wrong, it is over. Many who bought the original product feel betrayed and will not come back. Many who were singing their original product’s praises will no longer recommend it to friends/family. Brand loyalty is a valid concept in marketing. They have just tarnished their brand. It is difficult to recover once that has happened.
annnnd, you are wrong by trying to represent everyone who has bought the game not wanting an endgame. there is no way you can even say that. these forums are a small percentage of the entire game population. so thats a very odd theory.
they never said they would never add it either so that argument can go both ways. wow theres vertical progression omg worlds going to end because someone has better gear then i do. i really dont care about having the best gear if im HAVING FUN.
“Here’s what we believe: If someone wants to play for a thousand hours to get an item that is so rare that other players can’t realistically acquire it, that rare item should be differentiated by its visual appearance and rarity alone, not by being more powerful than everything else in the game. Otherwise, your MMO becomes all about grinding to get the best gear. We don’t make grindy games — we leave the grind to other MMOs.”
-Mike Obrien, President of Arenanet
Is Ascended gear more powerful than exotics ?
Yes.
Is Ascended gear rarer than exotic gear ?
Yes.
Is Ascended gear rare enough that some players can’t " realistically acquire it," ?
Everything I’ve seen says yes.So it is exactly the kind of gear the manifesto promised wouldn’t be included.
using that arguement, you can also argue legendaries are “unrealistic to get” yet i dont see anyone being mad over that
Sometimes people on this forum confuses me. How does rewarding players for playing the game not equate to people having more reasons to play the game?
Because there are many other ways to reward players for playing the game without having to deceive their player base and compromise a long stated manifesto by instituting the dreaded gear-grind treadmill.
its only a gear grind if you make it one.
they never said they would never add it either so that argument can go both ways. wow theres vertical progression omg worlds going to end because someone has better gear then i do. i really dont care about having the best gear if im HAVING FUN.
Read my first post, I addressed this already. You can make any number of ad hoc explanations and excuses, but where were you when everyone was assuming the gist of the manifesto?
uh i was open minded to know that it could change thats all. i dont recall a manifesto also meaning a binding contract.
No it wont screw the game over thats just silly
no they didnt lie they introduced a new mechanic to satisfy more people. majority of people like it. sorry you dont.
It does not matter if majority or even if all would like it, basic premise is that they did go back on their statements. Got sales promising something else what the product then turned out to be. That is the core of this thread, not if you like this change.
hey it isnt arenanet’s fault you people speculate the game is turning into a gear grind. if you actually tried the new dungeons, they incorporate fun gameplay with great design. the game is about having fun. might wanna try that
Why do you need new gear to have fun?
i never said i needed gear to have fun. i said that doing the dungeons itself is fun. getting gear is just an added bonus. it isnt a big deal. it really isnt. if you arent having fun doing the dungeons themselves and are worried about gear then thats your problem. for people who are getting mad about a new tier of gear when they said gear doesnt matter to them, they sure get mad easily
Then we might as well just not have a new tier of gear. Since it’s just an added bonus. Everyone is happy.
that makes no sense at all. why not get new gear as a bonus? lol
hey it isnt arenanet’s fault you people speculate the game is turning into a gear grind. if you actually tried the new dungeons, they incorporate fun gameplay with great design. the game is about having fun. might wanna try that
You are still not understanding the basic premise or you are making strawman arguments on purpose. Does not matter if new dungeon is heaven on earth, in fact they did promise that there would not be vertical progression, but now there is. If it is constant thing or one time thing doesn’t matter, it is there now and it is not what was promised.
they never said they would never add it either so that argument can go both ways. wow theres vertical progression omg worlds going to end because someone has better gear then i do. i really dont care about having the best gear if im HAVING FUN.
no they didnt lie they introduced a new mechanic to satisfy more people. majority of people like it. sorry you dont.
It does not matter if majority or even if all would like it, basic premise is that they did go back on their statements. Got sales promising something else what the product then turned out to be. That is the core of this thread, not if you like this change.
hey it isnt arenanet’s fault you people speculate the game is turning into a gear grind. if you actually tried the new dungeons, they incorporate fun gameplay with great design. the game is about having fun. might wanna try that
Why do you need new gear to have fun?
i never said i needed gear to have fun. i said that doing the dungeons itself is fun. getting gear is just an added bonus. it isnt a big deal. it really isnt. if you arent having fun doing the dungeons themselves and are worried about gear then thats your problem. for people who are getting mad about a new tier of gear when they said gear doesnt matter to them, they sure get mad easily
no they didnt lie they introduced a new mechanic to satisfy more people. majority of people like it. sorry you dont.
It does not matter if majority or even if all would like it, basic premise is that they did go back on their statements. Got sales promising something else what the product then turned out to be. That is the core of this thread, not if you like this change.
hey it isnt arenanet’s fault you people speculate the game is turning into a gear grind. if you actually tried the new dungeons, they incorporate fun gameplay with great design. the game is about having fun. might wanna try that
no they didnt lie they introduced a new mechanic to satisfy more people. majority of people like it. sorry you dont.
i really dont understand the hate. wow they introduced a new tier of gear and a amazing dungeon that all players can participate in…so what? grow up. obviously they thought they can do more with the game. is it gear progression? no. is it fun? hell yes. best new dungeon hands down. stop being so negative. my god. “OMG MANIFESTO MANIFESTO MANIFESTO” Hey guess what? things change. welcome to reality.
How much are they paying you people to come out with this bullkitten?
Trust me if anything after the amount of gems my miniguild has bought and spent of stupid stuff in the store I am more inclined to believe we bribed them to change the game lol
Then I hope for ANet’s sake that your miniguild can support their game because they’re going to need all three of you to spend a lot more to make up for the masses of miniguilds they will lose after this fiasco.
oh for the love of god. get over yourself. just because you and other people dont like it doesnt mean EVERYONE doesnt like it. stop acting like you speak for everyone please. its embarrassing.
all of you people complaining really irritate me. its like you cant stand change. big deal they changed A PORTION OF THE GAME. IT ISNT THE END OF THE WORLD.
They made a change that was contradictory to their mission statement, for those of us who are responsible consumers and value corporate standards, that is a big deal.
You’ll understand that when you’re older.
no i just like to be open minded and i actually adapt to new ideas and dont just want a MMO that is suppose to evolve to just remain static. it isnt the end of the world. its 1 dungeon. there are other things to do. its nice to see some people are too close minded to figure that out.
There is nothing new about a gear treadmill. In fact, it is the exact opposite of new.
…it isnt the entire game. its one portion and it isnt a gear treadmill. its a form of vertical progression. it doesnt define the whole game.
Oh ok so were all mad on a POTENTIAL gear treadmill despite the designers saying they dont intend to make the game a gear treadmill but to have some sort of vertical progression for people who enjoy that sort of progression. you people need to chill out
Yeah you cant Please everyone, if you dont like the puzzle then dont do it, but dont start writing threads how just because you dont find it fun means the majority of players dont find it fun. arenanet intentionally made it difficult, the person who designed it stated he epected less then five percent of the player base to be able to complete it, and if you do its a achievement. ACHIEVEMENT. it isnt suppose to be easy. sorry you dont understand that.