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I take him seriously. That’s at least one.
Also, I think regen or protection or a burst heal with burst skills would be nice. Would allow Warriors to take a new direction.
Offensive sustain.
well you be a fool
why not leave steal alone, its just fine as it is >.> jesus every utility from a profession….rofl the kitten is wrong with daecollol where do you get this crap from?
i honestly think you post so people will pay attention to you.
This might be the most over powered thing i have ever read in my entire life. Would you just stop posting suggestions Daecollo. Don’t think anyone takes you seriously anymore.
i agree, daecollo what does your brain do when you think these kind of suggestions up?
ok ill explain it to you step by step so you cant contradict or side step.
QUESTION 1: Thief burst and Mesmer burst builds are pretty close in power/time per kill ? moreso for mesmers in spvp. do you agree?
posting this bc u will disagree bc i think it is probably in your nature. good aoe dmg too.
answer question then i can move to next part of why.
so im not sure what your trying to show me here? those guys didnt die by confusion they all got ganked so whats your point?
confusion is def op. they will change it a lil eventually. atleast so that condi removal removes it before dmg. or it only works on non auto attack skills idk. but right now u get 8 stacks of confusion i guarantee u lose 100% of the time. its an easy button for win.
@zeo it doesnt boost stealth bc ur not adding in stealth skills. ur must moving them from utility to f1 f2 f3 etc. so you wont have SS in f2 and in utility 7 ….get it? the only way it improves is that it now allows a stealth build or any build to move a lil better. thats it. doesnt change how long or how many times u stealth for
lol please explain how confusion is OP? you get 8 stacks of confusion you back off and run away or you cleanse it, its not an easy win button lol unless your noob, refuge as a thief and its cleansed, if not you just gain a bunch of hp that offsets the confusion because 8 stacks is not enough to outright kill you for using a skill, and then you run away, confusion is good against noobs and as a team support as you apply stacks of confusion and then have a theif jump em
to the moron who said confusion and retaliation shouldnt have been implemented. your a moron, like seriously burn is better than confusion and retaliation.
Confusion and retaliation are two things that should have never been implemented.
A condition which kills you if you use any ability so you should sit there waiting patiently while getting DPSed or run away?
A condition which destroys you if you attack your target so you have to cower in a corner till it’s gone?
Wow..
The only people who defend this silly mechanic are people who play classes that use it or who have heavy condition removal. The remainder can go get farmed.
lol no confusion or retaliation isnt the issue…confusion is a good mechanic much like spiteful spirit was, you get punished for being a moron, same as retaliation, the whole problem with pvp right now is fury
bunkers can get high dmg mitigation and still deal dmg through fury, what do you think makes eles so op in pvp? not their constant application of fury.
well u cant compare spiteful spirit like that….u hav a low lvl skill and then compare it to a high lvl skill (an elite) so if that low lvl is AS good as the elite spiteful spirit…therefor its OP or should be put in elite status/spot. that is a very strong skill undeniably. confusion is OP and so is shattter but they wont debuff both in the same patch….just doing the -50% dmg on shatter for now. which u will see …and alot of attack players will like it bc it is an easy build for anyone to play…making clones/phants and run in a circle/dodge and blow them up/let them do dmg.
and what did u mean about eles? u dont think they are op? or you do?
no im saying bunkers, but specifically using eles as an example are OP because of fury, i was just using spiteful spirit as an example of a mechanic because it was the first to come to mind, confusion is a condition not a skill, confusion is not overpowered, its just very powerful, but lets focus on the major issues first.
this was the mistake with the quickness nerf, it needed it but there so much more pressing concerns that needed fixing first.
Confusion and retaliation are two things that should have never been implemented.
A condition which kills you if you use any ability so you should sit there waiting patiently while getting DPSed or run away?
A condition which destroys you if you attack your target so you have to cower in a corner till it’s gone?
Wow..
The only people who defend this silly mechanic are people who play classes that use it or who have heavy condition removal. The remainder can go get farmed.
lol no confusion or retaliation isnt the issue…confusion is a good mechanic much like spiteful spirit was, you get punished for being a moron, same as retaliation, the whole problem with pvp right now is fury
bunkers can get high dmg mitigation and still deal dmg through fury, what do you think makes eles so op in pvp? not their constant application of fury.
While the thief class does need a lot of love (P/P needs a total teardown, squishiness overall needs a tweak) posting your titles all in caps is just going to get your thread deleted.
this guy has an issue with all caps like seriously.
a key stroke is a keystroke. it doesnt change if u hotkey it. i know what you mean. but other classes have a few more abilities than thieves. would be nice to have an f2 f3. not that we need them to be certain things. just nice to ahve a lil more option. we use everything in the first 5 seconds of battle. :/
yes but having a free shadowstep and a free refuge is alittle too good.
Dolyak Signet
Passive: Reduces incoming damage. (10%.)
Active: Gain stability.Healing Signet
Passive: Grants regeneration. (463)
Active: Heal yourself.Signet of Fury
Passive: Improves critical chance. (10%)
Active: Gain adrenaline.Signet of Might
Passive: Improves out-going damage. (10%.)
Active: Gain might.Signet of Stamina
Passive: Grants faster endurance regeneration. (50%.)
Active: Cure all conditions.Signet of Rage
Passive: gain might for 5 seconds every 3 seconds
Active: Gain fury, might, and swiftness.Warrior
(Move this trait up to major-master-grandmaster level.)
Signet Mastery – Signets recharges 20% faster. Signet Passives have been improved.Dolyak Signet: Adds 5% more damage reduction.
Healing Signet: Adds 25% more passive healing.
Signet of Fury: Adds 5% more critical chance.
Signet of Might: Adds 5% out-going damage.
Signet of Stamina: Adds 25% Endurance Regeneration.
Signet of Rage: gain might for 10 seconds every 3 seconds.uh 10% crit chance as a passive? ok thats no op…lets see, extra 10% dmg up to 15% not op at all and the elite…now thats just going too far….
lol forgot to mention….15% passive crit dmg is a little too much dont you think? plus fury that you can get from the elite and great justice is kinda overpowered.Lets compare to our banner, which gives the ENTIRE group untraited 15% passive critical damage and 8% critical chance with one utility slot.
Guess that is overpowered.
dude your just kittenin kitten a passive 15% crit rate AND 15%crit banner on the same bar=30% +20% from fury +zerkers gear can get about 100% crit chance…….yea thats not overpowered, go suck your thumb.
You would need atleast 30 in Discipline and 10 in vitality to get that. Since the signet trait I described would be a grandmaster one.
You also need atleast 10 points in vitality to get banners to last forever. So yes, if you do use 40 points, you should get something that powerful.
30 points in the precision tree alone gets 15% Critical Chance.
Please use your brain a little, this isn’t free.
I mean, not having points in the power tree alone makes you lose a lot of damage.
30pts in a crit dmg tree for 100% crit chance….
still OP
maybe your brain needs working
Dolyak Signet
Passive: Reduces incoming damage. (10%.)
Active: Gain stability.Healing Signet
Passive: Grants regeneration. (463)
Active: Heal yourself.Signet of Fury
Passive: Improves critical chance. (10%)
Active: Gain adrenaline.Signet of Might
Passive: Improves out-going damage. (10%.)
Active: Gain might.Signet of Stamina
Passive: Grants faster endurance regeneration. (50%.)
Active: Cure all conditions.Signet of Rage
Passive: gain might for 5 seconds every 3 seconds
Active: Gain fury, might, and swiftness.Warrior
(Move this trait up to major-master-grandmaster level.)
Signet Mastery – Signets recharges 20% faster. Signet Passives have been improved.Dolyak Signet: Adds 5% more damage reduction.
Healing Signet: Adds 25% more passive healing.
Signet of Fury: Adds 5% more critical chance.
Signet of Might: Adds 5% out-going damage.
Signet of Stamina: Adds 25% Endurance Regeneration.
Signet of Rage: gain might for 10 seconds every 3 seconds.uh 10% crit chance as a passive? ok thats no op…lets see, extra 10% dmg up to 15% not op at all and the elite…now thats just going too far….
lol forgot to mention….15% passive crit dmg is a little too much dont you think? plus fury that you can get from the elite and great justice is kinda overpowered.Lets compare to our banner, which gives the ENTIRE group untraited 15% passive critical damage and 8% critical chance with one utility slot.
Guess that is overpowered.
dude your just kittenin kitten a passive 15% crit rate AND 15%crit banner on the same bar=30% +20% from fury +zerkers gear can get about 100% crit chance…….yea thats not overpowered, go suck your thumb.
wrong it was meant as in “individual” as I represented only myself and unarguably so bc i was the ONLY person typing my message and it was not therefore dictated to me. so you cant pick which definition suits your need.
so if im wrong who typed my message or dictated it to me to write? or who did i claim to represent if in the collective manner? sorry fail again budPS ….LOL @ you actually looking up the word “you” .
I as the writer dictate what the words i write mean. In that sentence it was meant as a generalization, which i clearly stated twice in further posts. If you chose to perceive what i write incorrectly that’s on you. If i say or write, “The man walked gaily down the street.” You can either perceive it as a homosexual slur and as a synonym for the word happily. No matter how you perceive the sentence, I as the original author of the sentence am the only one who can say what i meant when I wrote it.
P.S: I looked it up, not to find out the definition, but to provide the link for you. I gave the Hyperlink so you wouldn’t question the source or context of the definition.
Also i missed the only post where you actually responded to the topic, so i’ll at least respond to that.
I’m sorry where did you get "At base initiative you get at minimum four casts of any two skill. They all cost three you have 12 initiative.
I was referring to the two skills. I.E Heartseaker, Infiltrators Strike, Body Shot, Cluster Bomb. They all cost three initiative. Sorry for not being clearer about that.
np on the confusion but if u meant it as a generalization you should say “people who write in caps are generally viewed as pre pubescent teens” or “Caps locking a lot of words shows qualities of a prepubescent teen according to blah blah” …… not to beat a dead horse…whatever you meant….is what you meant….however you state me :P perhaps you wrote it wrong and if thats the case….eh….whatever no big deal.
no i mean in pvp is great one of the best thieves dont need their deception skill on a f2-4
memorizing how to “bold” or italicize doesnt make you more intellectual ….perhaps more computer typing “savvy” . and yes you were. bc what does some a boys body have to do with using capital letters? i dont see a connection. then again i probably dont know much about a boys body. according to your correlative aptitude that would make you a pedofile possessing such prepubescent carnal knowledge? :P also not having a social media account is a common rebuttal when people talk trash online bc they are only hiding behind their anonymity and can only back with opinion and unjustifiable notions of others “physical immaturity” .
back to the real topic. you dont get 4 casts of anything OTHER than heartseeker. where do u get your info. u are obviously an ele or somethign on a thieves forum trolling. death blossom FIVE intiative. dancing dagger FOUR initiative. CnD SIX initiative. OH WAIT . … now i get it…u didnt know how much initiative we get max to start with. that answer is 12. so heartseeker being 3….12/3 =4 12/5 =2.4 12/4=3 and 12/6 =2 im sorry where did you get "At base initiative you get at minimum four casts of any two skill. They all cost three you have 12 initiative. If your going to bring numbers into this then try your best to not to lie. " and anyone who spams heartseeker is just wasting intiative :P and usually by 25% on opponent the thief is out of intiative or has 1 HS left. also HS is a very slow skill. super easy to dodge. i hope a guy is smart enough to save a defensive utility or dodge for crunch time. (crunch time being when hp is in the red zone)(red zone being when hp is at a critical stage)(critical stage being when hp is low enough you could die any moment) just to make it clear. point is that what the threadstarter offered as an idea was a good one. perhaps a lil OP perhaps not….depending on how the skills worked and what they were replaced with. and comparing just f1 on a thief to f1 2 3 4 on mesmer/guard….thief comes up SUPER short. cant deny that. i showed allt he skills above. all to be accurate. you read his starting thread as a this is the way it should be …rather than a baseline starting suggestion. perhaps be constructive since you are so OBVIOUSLY not a thief and havent played one extensively enough to know how to survive and when you cant. jc but what class are you so we all know what/who is trolling us.you do know that what your saying about swickhobo calling you on caps lock has no correlation to pedophilia? your ineptitude at using the correct words for the correct situation is serverly lacking, please try to stop your flaming i like this topic and dont want to see it locked because you cant handle a little knowledge.
yes sir i do know that. and that is the point. it correlates perfectly bc typing in caps has no relation to being a pre – pubescent :P
a young child often yells to get attention or their point across for lack of vocabulary, caps is a lot like “yelling”, im sure you can figure it out from there.
anyways imo steal is probably the best profession skill in the game as long as mug as a 10 pt trait, so much utility in stealing it isnt funny, adding 3 more profession skill seems like a personal advantage that wont solve anything. all mind wrack does is hella dmg…but it has to be set up, and guards F1? burning…lol you cant compare them to stealing.
memorizing how to “bold” or italicize doesnt make you more intellectual ….perhaps more computer typing “savvy” . and yes you were. bc what does some a boys body have to do with using capital letters? i dont see a connection. then again i probably dont know much about a boys body. according to your correlative aptitude that would make you a pedofile possessing such prepubescent carnal knowledge? :P also not having a social media account is a common rebuttal when people talk trash online bc they are only hiding behind their anonymity and can only back with opinion and unjustifiable notions of others “physical immaturity” .
back to the real topic. you dont get 4 casts of anything OTHER than heartseeker. where do u get your info. u are obviously an ele or somethign on a thieves forum trolling. death blossom FIVE intiative. dancing dagger FOUR initiative. CnD SIX initiative. OH WAIT . … now i get it…u didnt know how much initiative we get max to start with. that answer is 12. so heartseeker being 3….12/3 =4 12/5 =2.4 12/4=3 and 12/6 =2 im sorry where did you get "At base initiative you get at minimum four casts of any two skill. They all cost three you have 12 initiative. If your going to bring numbers into this then try your best to not to lie. " and anyone who spams heartseeker is just wasting intiative :P and usually by 25% on opponent the thief is out of intiative or has 1 HS left. also HS is a very slow skill. super easy to dodge. i hope a guy is smart enough to save a defensive utility or dodge for crunch time. (crunch time being when hp is in the red zone)(red zone being when hp is at a critical stage)(critical stage being when hp is low enough you could die any moment) just to make it clear. point is that what the threadstarter offered as an idea was a good one. perhaps a lil OP perhaps not….depending on how the skills worked and what they were replaced with. and comparing just f1 on a thief to f1 2 3 4 on mesmer/guard….thief comes up SUPER short. cant deny that. i showed allt he skills above. all to be accurate. you read his starting thread as a this is the way it should be …rather than a baseline starting suggestion. perhaps be constructive since you are so OBVIOUSLY not a thief and havent played one extensively enough to know how to survive and when you cant. jc but what class are you so we all know what/who is trolling us.
you do know that what your saying about swickhobo calling you on caps lock has no correlation to pedophilia? your ineptitude at using the correct words for the correct situation is serverly lacking, please try to stop your flaming i like this topic and dont want to see it locked because you cant handle a little knowledge.
Dolyak Signet
Passive: Reduces incoming damage. (10%.)
Active: Gain stability.Healing Signet
Passive: Grants regeneration. (463)
Active: Heal yourself.Signet of Fury
Passive: Improves critical chance. (10%)
Active: Gain adrenaline.Signet of Might
Passive: Improves out-going damage. (10%.)
Active: Gain might.Signet of Stamina
Passive: Grants faster endurance regeneration. (50%.)
Active: Cure all conditions.Signet of Rage
Passive: gain might for 5 seconds every 3 seconds
Active: Gain fury, might, and swiftness.Warrior
(Move this trait up to major-master-grandmaster level.)
Signet Mastery – Signets recharges 20% faster. Signet Passives have been improved.Dolyak Signet: Adds 5% more damage reduction.
Healing Signet: Adds 25% more passive healing.
Signet of Fury: Adds 5% more critical chance.
Signet of Might: Adds 5% out-going damage.
Signet of Stamina: Adds 25% Endurance Regeneration.
Signet of Rage: gain might for 10 seconds every 3 seconds.
uh 10% crit chance as a passive? ok thats no op…lets see, extra 10% dmg up to 15% not op at all and the elite…now thats just going too far….
lol forgot to mention….15% passive crit dmg is a little too much dont you think? plus fury that you can get from the elite and great justice is kinda overpowered.
Deception Skills should be the thieves base skills they unlock as they level.
F1: Steal
F2: Smoke Screen
F3: Shadow Refuge
F4: Shadow StepShadow Step is always going to be a member of the utility bar anyways, why not make it a base thief mechanic?
I’ve got a better suggestion. Before you press the “Create new thread” button, reread what you just typed, and really really think about what your saying. Its getting quite old to see a new thread on a near daily basis that has you suggesting things that are completely out of whack and just insanely unbalanced. Your class mechanics are steal and initiative. Thanks to initiative you don’t get a f2-4. Get over it.
thanks to intiative…what a noob thing to say…. eles can spam spells nonstop for hours…LITERALLY. we can use 2 skillls and then wait for it to refill ……. look at engineers/mesmers they get f1-f4 with GOOD DMG skills cmon. atleast have a general idea of how other classes are played before making a hate comment. FAIL.
Effectiveness of said mechanics isn’t what i’m arguing about. Initiative whether you like it or not is your mechanic. Thanks to the existence of it, you get less then others. You can also spam 1 for hours LITERALLY. Just saying.
Everyone can spam 1 for hours, the fact that the thief can use 2-5 back to back less than others…
Technically if you get into it a thief does have probably the most profession mechanics (steal, dual skills, stealth attacks and initiative) but if they are all fairly weak it doesn’t mean changes, improvements and additions can’t be done.
yes but not the changes and improvement that the Topic poster is suggesting…t/p is a bad word apparently.
sounds like a neat idea, but id prefer it if they added more utilities or elites.
why 200%? quadruple dmg seems like a lot.
or did i get that wrong its 4:00 am and i feel like a zombie. so my bad.
rofl, im so glad more people are saying something about this, its really really really irritating.
its just not even worth getting, which is a shame because it was a neat idea.
any thought of a good way to make it better? it is an elite after all
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I have no problem with AC besides the fact that the spider queen is just annoying, and that CR is broken, spent 2 hours trying to kill him because relying on a NPC is about the stupidest thing anyone could have come up with.
Maybe if grast actually casted his crappy bubble on time, and stopped trying to tank down the boss it would have been fun.