Guild Wars 2

have to agree with amon here it’s the acro trait line that makes s/d such a good build with amount of dodge spam and might on dodge with str runes and fire/air sigil procs for your dmg.. watching sizer play this build and beat any class 1v1 shows how strong it is. but its not due to the spamming 3 its the traits he is using that work so well with s/d.
try spamming 3 without acro you wont live that long

Azawrath.7304:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Dahkeus.8243:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Like I said, Thief is only weak because the player controlling them is weak.

Yea, we get it. You can stop thumping your chest now.

I’m responding to those who don’t.

Or you’d rather see me post “L2P” instead?

So what is the best way to get better? I have over 2k hours logged in on my thief but there are just some player, about 60% of them are warriors, who I cannot win against. I don’t know if its just that they are better than me or it is the build they use, or a combination of both. If it is the build that is countering me I guess the solution would be to keep dueling that build and learn how to fight it. Any other tips to get better?

you will never win all your fights and there will always be a build that is able to counter your own that’s they way the game. warriors can be hard with certain build due to there re gen and the amount of hp they have but if take your time and dodge those big moves evis,shield stun,skull crack, 100b etc and keep there healing in check with poison. if you want it easy just fight cheese with cheese and go dire condi and you should win most the time

Sir Vincent III.1286:

fabz.4736:

wow the teef community is bad. im only new to spvp and only really played wvw. in spvp i find myself not needing sa as condi dmg duration is not so high due to no food etc

wvw is different if you vs a decent played condi class with out sa you will have a hard time winning just because the amount of duration and dmg they can stack due to food,stones,crystals,sigils,runes etc,

You do realize that if you’re really concern about condition damage that you can stack anti-condition rune, food, crystal, etc. also, right?

The benefit to anti-conditions is way better than the benefit for conditions. Go ahead and take a look.

i have taken a look and there is not much difference between the both they almost cancel each our out. You can actually get 10% more condi duration then you can anti duration due to sigil of malice. but why lose so much dps with runes and food when i have a good triat line that helps deal with conditions. there is a reason anet has not put dire amulet or perplex runes in spvp. Go ahead take a look

wow the teef community is bad. im only new to spvp and only really played wvw. in spvp i find myself not needing sa as condi dmg duration is not so high due to no food etc

wvw is different if you vs a decent played condi class with out sa you will have a hard time winning just because the amount of duration and dmg they can stack due to food,stones,crystals,sigils,runes etc,

At the end of it they are to different games mode that require 2 different play styles

spvp is team and objective based gamemode that requires you to hold areas for points you can not do this while in stealth. so running SA to regen while in stealth is pointless

wvw (roaming) i think is more chilled out with mates looking for some good lulz and fights. and dying every 10min because you got zerged or condi bombed then having to run half way across the map is no fun for anyone.

play the game mode you enjoy and try to help each other out not call each other noobs for running a different build or trait line.

TheThiefMaster.3812:

Is this just happening to me is it a legit game bug , i’d literally be in people’s face yet when i try to steal to them i get the "out of range " my steal goes on CD.

i had this problem lastnight it happened to me in ebg but i think it was the terrain couldent steal or sword 2 to my target. the image below i have circled the area were i was not able to do steal or shadow step

Shinya.2598:

Hello!

Pls, I’m looking for someone to watch and learn from on Youtube.
Just like i found Tinker Teldo for my engineer. I’d like to find a good PVP thief to watch.
Any recommendations?

depends on build and weapons set you want to use from the top of my head i would say the best youtubers/streamers for there weapon sets are

D/D- Nightblâdê
S/D – Amonatory
D/P – Caed who is a twitch streamer. narcarsis – is stream channel
AikijinX great thief not sure what main weapon set is and great theory crafter

im sure there are other great players out there but these 4 stand out to me

vincecontix.1264:

fabz.4736:

i agree with 3 out of the 4 last posters its not like warriors, necro ,guardian etc saying its broken its the thief community that is agreeing with those other classes when you have thieves agreeing with other classes after all the QQ on the forums and all the nerfs from the QQ but this is one build that should be nerfed

Nerfed why? its not even that strong. Game is not balance around 1v1 pd condi is a bad choice for group play, bad for zerg play, bad in any form of serious spvp how does it need a nerf? Also dp zerk counters pd and is much better for a small havoc squad.

venom share condi build is great for zerg play you give out 12sec of immob to 5 players including yourself try running as a full condi v/s thief and party up with your casters it works great in locking down there front line with caltrops

Karolis.4261:

fabz.4736:

i agree with 3 out of the 4 last posters its not like warriors, necro ,guardian etc saying its broken its the thief community that is agreeing with those other classes when you have thieves agreeing with other classes after all the QQ on the forums and all the nerfs from the QQ but this is one build that should be nerfed

Be careful what you ask for. Its the runes change,dire gear and crit damage nerf that made p/d condi builds rise in comparison to power thieves, not the actual weapon set or traits.

the 5 stacks of confuion on steal very broken

messiah.1908:

not its not
it depend if you 1v1 or 1vX . the more enemy the more pressure but more target you have
ele got aura to defend them
guardian block and blind
warrior bit block and blind but good immunity to conditions
engi good aoe pressure
mesmer stealth and clone to negate dmg
necro good aoe pressure with DS second life
ranger – poor ranger
thief -stealth blind as you do
also if your enemies know when and how to blind/block with aegis they can take you down fast or at least chase you away

@ismael – i know it but dont use it as this trick is cheesy. also usually i play 1vx so no build is cheesy in outnumbered situation
i dont know why you say its broken. your 18k burst is maybe in 6 seconds so 3k dps which is like power d/d which can cnd+bs+AA every 4 seconds
engi who put too many conditions is broken also ?
diamond d/d ele which can heal fast is broken also?
s/s lb warrior broken also?

and i tend to see that power build in group fight are less effective than condition as group tend to stick together so you cannot come close to them with 2500 armor and below. you spend most of the time dodging /running /stealthing while in condi build you can do much more sustain dmg and help the group with immobilize the weak

or maybe i am poor power thief player

i dont think you undterstand y this build or the condi meta is so broken.

condi – the more tanky you go the more dmg you get

power- the less tanky the more dmg you get

i agree with 3 out of the 4 last posters its not like warriors, necro ,guardian etc saying its broken its the thief community that is agreeing with those other classes when you have thieves agreeing with other classes after all the QQ on the forums and all the nerfs from the QQ but this is one build that should be nerfed

Zach.3264:

I still prefer full zerker D/D. You said you lost a little DPS, but you’ve lost a whopping 500 power. Not to mention you don’t crit as much on non-stealth attacks.

48% crit chance is more then enough for auto attacks. . i still get really good bs dmg into condi classes but i have the vitality now to stay in there longer and keep the pressure on them. for me im happy to give away some dmg for extra 8-9k hp. Full zerk alot of thieves do still run this and im able to down them in 2-3hits. but everyone has there playstyle.

ngdani.9482:

Its a pretty well rounded build, but lacking a little bit of power imo.
Have you thought about using Runes of the Pack? +100 power/125 precision and in combat, the swiftness up-time is roughly 50%. If you’re using shadows rejuv on the SA trait, do you really need the lifesteal of the omnom? There are options such as 100power/70 prec or 100power/70 ferocity and with infiltrator’s sigil, the trait Signets of Power works well with the burst damage :]

yes i have tried pack runes but seem to like the speed runes more for the hp and the 25% speed ans yes with the food i am changing to power/prec

babazhook.6805:

An interesting build. Question though. Is the goal simply that extra vitality or is it for the speed/swiftness as well?

As example suppose you used Exuberance for the Vitality. You would get the same amount + around 100 more power and 50 more precision. One sigil (fire or air) swapped with sigil of speed.

That 100 power is always there damage wise as opposed to a sigil which goes off randomly and in my own testing of sigil of speed I was easily getting what was in essence permanent swiftness just in regular combat.

Or use wurm with the same vitality and even higher ferocity. Extra ferocity will be around +200 which should mean around 15 percent damage on every crit.

i find as a d/d build the 25% speed is to good to give up and also the extra hp really helps with the meta. i have swapped and put speed sigil in and also ran 0/6/6/2/0 for swiftness on dodge and vigor on heal see how it goes without mug . ty for the advice guys will try it all out

hi there was roaming last night and ran into Aikijin had a 1v1 and got wrecked by him. we started having a bit of a chat about how bad this condi meta is and how our hp pool is very low for this meta etc. this is what we came up with

so it your standard d/d trait lines a 2/6/6/0/0 but using speed runes and valk armor- and zerk,valk trinkets. to reach the 22k you do need guard stacks

i have lost a little bit of dps but easily gained back just by changing food. I have only tested this for maybe a few hours but so far its has been great.

http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?fZAQJAoYlsMp0pVOx7J8PNBNBt9wbQI4uGrYGaFAA-TFCFwAr1BA4EAI4BAkU5HflgZ0Cgb/BVq/EA4Agnfe4nHe4SBYuwI-w

so would it be possible to make gvg available server wide not just the server who you are versing that week. would make for a better torny and guilds wont stack certain servers just to fight guilds on enemy teams that have no population. but be able to go to these low pop servers and still fight the blobs but be able to gvg any team when they feel like it from any tier

Kalkin.5293:

9k Maul.
14k-20k Evicerate.

Lol what is this guy smoking.

not sure whats so funny these numbers arnt hard to get with zerk setups

so been reading a lot of QQ threads about thieves about how the dmg is to high etc

been running around wvw and noticed that most if not all classes hit harder then we do when they run glassy example necro 5k+ life blast, rangers 9k maul, warriors 14-20k eviscerate and so on. even on another thief i will only hit them for 6-7k.

is it because we have stealth that they get so mad i just dont get it why we get so many dmg nerfs yet most other classes can hit harder and have alot more hp toughness etc.

so iv noticed when playing on red bl i get very bad lag during fights not even zerging just 1v1 seem to rubber band eveywere but only on red bl. iv checked my net and it is fine also all other bl and ebg are fine to play on. has anyone else been getting this same problem

Anet really needs to fix this game sick of losing wp keeps just because thief and mesmers are able to glitch into keeps and portal there whole zerg into lords room not fair on the players/guilds that spent hour upgrading the keeps. no mesmers wernt hiding as there were no breaches it was a portal from lord to outer on a wp garri that we have held for 2-3 days vs triple the numbers.

They really serve no purpose except to 20v1 roamers.

They’re trolls. A vile cancer upon WvW.
I wonder how many people they’ve driven from WvW? Servers are dying. People are leaving. And yet there exists zergs that actively drives people away from WvW.
Bad design Anet. Zergs and guilds make people quit playing your game?
Fine, let them play PvE, they can have fun there. But keep them out of WvW. They just ruin it for everyone.

last few days iv been getting real bad lag but only when im fighting the lag feels like a stone mist 3 way yet im just 1v1 then i just get disconnected and have to restart

my net is fine everything else works just seems to be gw2 around the same time 6pm+ aus timezone anyone else been getting this when in combat since the patch

musu.9205:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Consume_Plasma

I know this forum is so tired of all those thief haters’ post .But since thief highly counters mesmer , removals of aegis or stability won’t affect thief itself that much but will help classes variety in tpvp.

(Anet could nerf it only in tpvp ,so please don’t start "pu mesmer ")

well most thief open with a steal-cnd so any decent player will dodge that and you really crying about a steal that gives us aegis and stab etc every 20+ seconds providing we hit with our steal yet all other classes have access to these boons from skill use and passive.

ANET plz nerf thief its able to block one attack every 20+ seconds with aegis is it every going to end. stop the crying and roll a thief and get to know the class so you can counter not spam the forums begging for a nerf.

I actually ended up winning the fight at the end. yes those aren’t the hardest attacks see coming but yea he managed to hit me with them bad playing on my part just was surprised with the dmg that is all. ty for the info and help guys much appreciated

hi there was roaming in wvw using s/d full glass and ranger started attacking me i have vs alot of rangers before but none that have done this sort of dmg 8.7k maul and 7k counter strike kick is that normal. yes im aware im full glass but iv never seen that sort of dmg

killed a FA pu mesmer while roaming in wvw he joined my party and raged saying im a perma stealth d/p 2222 trash when i was using p/d pwer build

Leeto.1570:

Just delete the thread XD why i even bother trying to convince hotjoiners that class that destroys strategy is bad for competetive play.
Go back to hotjoin and keep farming them chests, thats all that matters, you can kill thief in 1v1 so all is gut.
Maybe one day you will try out TPVP and realize what this game is really about.

ok so your saying players shouldent play thiefs and should be reworked since its not the way you want the game to be played

Dirame.8521:

Dee Jay.2460:

ANet nerfed the only real counter.runes to condition spam…while adding many more condition spam options.

What exactly did they nerf? Because Runes of Water has a 25% change to remove condis when hit, Sigil of Purity has a 60% chance to remove condis on hit, Lyssa removes 5 conditions on elite use….. which runes of epic condi removal did they truly nerf to the ground?

condis are broken in spvp and wvw with power builds you have sacrifice toughness vitality to get the dmg to try and burst you enemy down. Condi builds can be full bunker yet deal 1k+ bleeds burns confusion etc. some of the condi classes have some of the best condi removal in the game as well still cant understand why that is

just started playing spvp bout 4-5 weeks ago is there any teams or players during ocx/sea that need someone

vincecontix.1264:

Whats up with the profession distribution of soloq in this game yesterday for 5 games I was stuck with 3 thiefs and got basically destroyed every game. While half the time the other team had no thief or just one. Shouldn’t the system be spreading out the professions evenly?

The goes for all classes but especially thiefs because basically the team with the most thiefs loses atm.

i think you just had some bad players today i jumped in soloq and was matched up with 4 other thieves vs 2 warriors,mesmer,ranger and ele and we drew lol. also im new to spvp only been playing for about 4-5 weeks and still have alot to learn but liking it so far very fun

Wondering if anet could make wvw armor/weapons salvageable but just for the upgrade componets at least so we can get our runes/sigils back

plz anet let us be able to salvage our wvw armor/weapons we have bought with boh. I have a set with trav runes as i dont not use anymore and cant get my 60 gold worth of runes back. Would be great to make them salvageable but just for the upgrade componets not ectos ,dark matter and mats.

maestrochino.7104:

what? Precursors always have another exotic that looks identical. Unlocking the skin means nothing.

i got the chaos gun as a drop and would like to use the skin on diffrent toon but want to make the quip to sell and dont want to spend 200g on exotic version for the skin when i have the pre in my bank

Just wondering if i unlock a precursor skin will i still be able to make the lengendary and sell it on the trading post

Fuzzion.2504:

Merlin Dyfed Avalon.5046:

Is pretty much dead..
matchup threads no one cares to look at or writes about.

just wanted to put it here..

if it’s too much trouble to moderate WvW matchup threads just add a disclaimer that it will not be moderated or anything..
at least when it was on these forums you could find the people ingame, write them a pm, ask for info etc etc..

anyways.. the community is as split as ever thanks to the tools created to keep everyone out of contact.

How is it dead. Last week , the gold leagues of NA had a total of 500 posts and over 25,000 reads. We have 2000++ members, a growing gvg forum and amazing videos. Are you sure you are not referring to gw2gvg.com?

fuzzion the site is great alot to read in the na threads lol. having the vids and voting system on home page is awesome keep it up will only get better

it wouldn’t be so stupid if it was the first condi to be cleansed when using a shout etc. The amount of times i get condi bombed and use all my condi cleanse and still have immob is annoying. with the current condi meta more condi can be applied then what you can cleanse even with -condi food and runes. condi classes also have access to +condi duration and dmg food and runes.

mag only has 100 man queue on ebg the rest of the bl are 25-30 long

Xuro.5861:

Nearing half a year of this nonsense now, every guild runs hammer train. Even we have to start using them to counter hammer trains since we can’t use any light or medium classes against them unless we have more numbers.

(anyone who claims otherwise is welcome to prove me wrong with a proper GvG video where a hammer train is beaten by a non hammer train)

I’m really reaching my limit when it comes to patience for balance patches and I started wondering if I just should buy ESO even though I disliked the combat greatly in it.

How long was the last balance patch ago? Half a year now? This is beyond ridiculous.

It’s time to nerf the hammer train and buff other classes into viable WvW roles.

#neededtovent
#wtbrealskillinsteadofwarriorautoattackspam

ummm [VR] from maguuma is probably one of the only guilds that doesn’t run a hammer train in raids or gvg and we do very well i think. yes i think that comp doesn’t run so well in gvg but its different and alot more fun

it wouldn’t be so bad if it was the first condition taken away when you try to cleanse but it is annoying when you have 6+ condi on you. use your shouts and yet you still have 10+sec of immbo and cant do anything about it

WOW [DPS] worst attack iv ever seen on a keep before. 20+ got into inner lords on east keep in mag bl and still wiped to 6-10 mag pugs lmao

why not few hours before

Vinny.6924:

fabz.4736:

wow abyss please build more superior ac in the open field and you still got wiped lmao

You had double our numbers and we weren’t taking anything serious. But hey, if it makes you feel better.

lol we had double dont think so

Miss Firesss.3704:

Meh, were just having a good time, and it was only 1 ac. Not much we can do when we only have 27 people to your bigger numbers.

plz learn to count

wow abyss please build more superior ac in the open field and you still got wiped lmao

whole stun guild chasing one vr all through the ruins lmao

tc and sos both have blobs of 40+ on ebg and they still sit there and karma train mendons,anz and orge and run past our keep LMAO

wtf before season 1 sbi had the same if not more coverage then tc now there losing to yb and ebay lmao

+1 Saiyr

Jaytee.9513:

Zikory.6871:

Hi Charak,

You have a interesting complaint. If you would use your link and take a look at the SoR/BG/Mag match, as you can tell BG is winning, at times ticking 300-400+ most the match. While mag doesn’t have the population to win, Mags guilds and players are out there fighting hard. Just a few moments before this post, Mag had BG pushed back to Vally in EBG (while our map is queued)

Your problem is expecting you can win the PPT game, with out coverage, you can not. You bring up balance? Both Anet and any WvW player will tell you, WvW is not balanced and won’t be any time soon. It’s up to you to make it fun, you say you’re a commander? Rally 20-30 regular people, train them, get better together. Get out there and fight, drop the “we can win the match” mentality because its (As SpehssMehreen said) a defeatist attitude.

Good luck

Says the player on the dominating server……….I really think its kinda disgusting that people tell others to enjoy a game they cannot win. For me its a has to be balance between effort and rewards……playing for fights but getting overwhelmed at every turn is NOT my idea of enjoyment, especially since those OP servers are getting more rewards for less effort.

Really the devs should take a stance and face this problem before the competition comes out or they will lose many players who feel they have been ignored and spitted on with this lack of empathy.

To all those players who feel playing a game when you have NO chance of winning is fun, don’t demean those vocal enough to say something is wrong with the game mode. Games are meant to be competitive where each match should not be determined before-hand and that would be the fun factor that most of us are looking for.

im on mag and play during the sea/oceanic time zone mag has probably got the worst coverage during that timezone in the top 10 servers and we still go around and pick fights and have fun. Were outmanned on every bl and still manage to hold our ebg keep most nights vs sor and bg blobs don’t go for ppt when your losing go for loot bags

still looking for more oceanics to join us and help maguuma out

Keiel.7489:

Chris.3290:

JQ had a truly evil idea with this one, clearing their queues once they are too far ahead to lose.

There appeared to be some sort of formal agreements from both Mag and SoS with JQ on Tuesday, but their latest tactic is just to give away SMC and keeps to retake later.

To think that Maguuma’s resident trollmaster general was actually bragging about taking JQ’s garri yesterday LOL.

If you want to put a stop to this, go the BL where the trades are taking place and put a stick in the spokes. That’s what most of us on SoS are talking about doing.

Generally speaking, even during Karma train, any self-respecting server would still defend thein Home BL’s Garrison and EBG Keep regardless.

we cant with telling jq to kitten off about the ktrain and sos saying yes to it its 2v1 so i hope bg and sor dont go to there level and keep the fights going all week