Guild Wars 2

This is complete balderdash. I demand reprimand for these losses due to ANet’s server issues.

Love the change. no QQ here.

This is my biggest issue right now. Soo terrible.

EB. Reset night. 9pm pacific. Outnumbered. No queue. Goal already achieved. No one cares anymore.

The most infamous match up and forum posts of all time. This just told me that seasons are actually ok. Great fun this week, and remember, it’s a game

It’s not hard to aim a heartseeker away from people. I played the spec for a month and left it because of how cheesy it was. I’m talking about the spec how it currently is. It’s currently broken.

Cynz.9437:

OP, did they pay you to post this?

Lol no. Why? Do you think I should have tried to get some $???

But all joking aside, d/p is not “balanced”. Stealth should be hard(er) to achieve than having a simple combo field that doesn’t require you to hit anything. Stealth is the source for all complaining with the thief, and this is by far the easiest and most consistent way of achieving it through a weapon set.

No really. Thank you. I see a lot of you in wvw and this helps me realize you know what you are doing in your choices to balance classes. I’ve played a thief since launch, and it is still my only level 80. I absolutely love how it plays.

Thank you for nerfing the cheesy builds, since, well, they all deserved it during their time. D/p perma stealth build is by far the worst of them and you guys decided to finally change it which will cause people to think thieves are bad now (not just thief players). This is incredible because the ceiling to play a thief well has just been raised, and a lot of the people that play d/p will realize their “skill” wasn’t too great after all. Since a lot of people will still undoubtedly see these players still running around on their thieves, and start doing much better against them I thank you. You have opened up my build and people will underestimate the better played thieves., thus creating more victories for them.

To d/p players. All is not lost. Thief is a great class with many more viable specs than you might think. We are not a face roll glass cannon class but more a war of attrition class now, especially with initiative as our source, and not cool downs. We should be able to out last opponents with grace, positioning, and spending unitive wisely. I look forward to the patch, and hope everyone else does too.

I’ve been playing devs on nsp for the 2nd straight week. /thread

<- the guy you are targeting.. thanks for not violating my ram body.

Flash building arrow carts and ballistas happen all the time in the open field.

Spade.1374:

kbenton.4915:

Runehand.9368:

Spade.1374:

Hey it’s Zaturday! This is my first post on here.
Thief (D/P) Outnumbered fight with [XOXO] and [GHW] of NSP vs YB Zerg
(6 vs 15+ Yaks Bend)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyyFNxe_rQs

DAT RESOLUTION.

Dat spec that is about to be nerfed rightfully hard. Stealth stackers… yawn

There is an alternative to perma stealth without the init stack/regen needed (me and my friend have tested) , just don’t wanna spoil until December. D/P perma stealth shall live!

But is it a viable and practical spec? Or just a way to stay invis..

I’ve ran into plenty of people who play through and against stealth very well against my thief. Granted I do not play d/p because that specific form of stealth is OP (perma stealth). But that shouldn’t be discussed any further since the nerf is coming out on december 10th for it.

Runehand.9368:

Spade.1374:

Hey it’s Zaturday! This is my first post on here.
Thief (D/P) Outnumbered fight with [XOXO] and [GHW] of NSP vs YB Zerg
(6 vs 15+ Yaks Bend)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyyFNxe_rQs

DAT RESOLUTION.

Dat spec that is about to be nerfed rightfully hard. Stealth stackers… yawn

BlazeQ.1095:

kbenton.4915:

Great duels with SYN last night. And one nsp guys from Os. We couldn’t win a 4v4, but I blame us all not being on team speak for coordination :p Also, the nsp minizerg that rolled through and killed all of us in the middle of respectful and friendly competition… grats on getting your first “wipe” this week. Being under 100k on Thursday must be frustrating so you are forgiven. Love mid week wvw when ppt can be put aside and great fights can be had! Kudos DB!

Didn’t I see someone from Yaks Bend say “If its red its dead”? Good enough for you but not anyone else? hmm

That couldn’t be it. Must have been someone from DB.

Can’t tell if you are supporting rolling through and wiping out 5-6 people from different servers clearing just dueling and sitting amongst each other, or just legitimately mad. And your assumption that what one person says from my server applies to all is false.

Great duels with SYN last night. And one nsp guys from Os. We couldn’t win a 4v4, but I blame us all not being on team speak for coordination :p Also, the nsp minizerg that rolled through and killed all of us in the middle of respectful and friendly competition… grats on getting your first “wipe” this week. Being under 100k on Thursday must be frustrating so you are forgiven. Love mid week wvw when ppt can be put aside and great fights can be had! Kudos DB!

There are plenty of changes I love about the class I play most. Thief perma stealth build needed to be killed. It promoted terrible play.

There are also changes I do not agree with. Mostly vigor uptime. 50% reduction is farrr too much. If you feel the need to nerf it, 25% should be the max. I personally don’t feel it needs a change at all since evades are the only way a thief can mitigate dmg directly. Stealth only makes it less likely a player will dmg, but does not mitigate any dmg. But still 50% is huge, and makes it so the first tier in acrobatics is pretty worthless for many specs.

Hi all. Just wanted to give my input. It’s been a great fight this week! love the 1v1, 2v2,3v3,4v4..up to even 10v10 scraps that seem to come around everywhere. Just my opinion is that CD has a little bit better scrapers than FA. FA your numbers are massive, and you use them for amazing scouting. It seems your cross BL scouting is pretty decent as well. Lucky you guys had SBI as your first week for teh practice :p

Side note. I would like to see more thieves try other builds though. So boring with all the zerkers..

My late night, hallucinating 2 cents.

Evilzara.6378:

sirflamesword.3896:

Evilzara.6378:

nikkistar.1409:

If some of you BP players are complaining THIS much about YB’s zergs, I hate to see how much you guys will when you go up against SBI and FA….

SBI did outnumber us a lot, but they did not flash build 3+ superior ACs in open field before zerg on zerg.

I’m looking forward to the FA and SBI matchups. We may get stomped by them but we can learn a thing or two.

Wait, wait, wait. Us using siege in open field is what you have to complain about with us. I’m sorry but that just seems like good tactics to use something like arrow carts to push a fight in your favor. Maybe command better?

Yeah, you it’s definitely good tactics, especially considering you already outnumber us 2:1 and can’t rely on your fighting power.

Flash building ACs in open field seems like a perfectly good reason that you’re terrible players who rely heavily on siege.

Oh disregard what I say, I know from now on when I have 80 people and I see an enemry zerg of 40, I’ll flash build 4 ACs to make sure I get the win and also spam /laugh after we wipe them because they are just a terrible group.

You’re right. Armies in any world should never use tactics. They should all blob on each other and have no disregard for casualties. Btw, rezzing takes time which prevents movement to the next objective and so forth. It’s snowball effect.

Tldr version THANK YOU YB commanders. You guys continue to impress me with your rapid and often different strategies.

Ethan.7182:

In the end, my lootbags will probably make up for whatever the winner of silver league gets.

YB probably owns 90% of the siege market as they place it EVERYWHERE. Without it, you’d lagg out your waypoints with so many dead bodies. It’s a shame that you have triple the numbers of us in plenty of fights. And it’s still even.

Ebay are like the lap dogs of YB. Nothing new there. Anytime they can pick on the more superior BP, they will.

Go for it all, Yak’s Bandwagon! I’ll watch close when you face SBI.

Thank you Ethan! I’m glad our match up will be entertaining for you. It will be interesting to me to see how we will do against the top prospect of our league, and a server who could have been in gold league. I’ll also watch you close when you play them to show you guys support since you will be showing us some. Also, thanks for coming out and showing your enthusiasm for wvw leagues. It’s been a lovely battle this week.

Watch their reveal buff. When it blinks really fast, press button. Boom 8 second reveal.

If you make the change for condo removal every 10 seconds, prepare for perma stealth build to be the only viable spec.

Sincerely,
P/D thief

I just wanted to thank ET for coming out in between their Garrison and Cliffside last night. Your organization was astounding and you deserved your garrison back. Besides that, that long open field battle was the best of the week. Keep it up!

I agree. A thief is my only 80 with about 1200 hours logged on it. I played d/p about 4 months ago and had to get rid of it. There’s no way to play it without feeling like you are straight abusing a broken mechanic. Seriously, d/p players. Before u cry L2P, know I used to win 98% of fights 1v1 as d/p. Go buy another set or make another toon and attempt to fight d/p. You won’t win. You will not kill it 1v1. You may find a class that won’t die, but that’s not how this game is supposed to be played. I completely agree OP. My proposed solution would be to make black powder a slightly bigger radius and increase initiative by 2, but preferably 3.

Love,

Guy who ONLY plays thief.

P.S. Anet. I buy gems in bunches. :p

Edit: There are PLENTY of other “viable” specs out there for thief atm (perplexity, P/D, D/D, S/X) so the argument that this is the only good spec is ridiculous. I’ve learned “viable” in the thief forum means OP.

Wow can’t believe I got this many responses. I haven’t read even half, but it seems people assume I’M a casual with my friends. I’m not. They are. Having said that. I just got a precursor. I also only have about 20k karma, so Anet. Again you made this process a not-fun grind by stripping all of the karma out of the game. Just reverse your mistakes and everyone will love you again. Admitting you made a mistake is the first step of showing maturity. Let this game mature

I recently attained a precursor and with luck, it was for the legendary I want to go for (Quip). I only have about 10k karma and I still need massive amounts of karma to get my 37 remaining clovers, and 250 obsi shards. This will take about a year+ of grinding karma (I can only play a few hours a day because I work 40-50 hours a week) to obtain my legendary. This serious lack of karma is absurd. Anet. Please recognize your mistake and change this to where karma is again more easily obtainable. If anything, just boost the price of jewelry boxes because you know this nerf was because of them.

Hi all. I recently got a precursor and it happens to be for a legendary I want (Quip). This will be my 1st legendary. I only have about 10k karma atm (ouch i know), and most of the other mats that don’t require karma. Where can i get karma now since almost all of the ways to get karma have been removed from the game. Now I could rant and rant about how these changes were completely over the top, but I figured i might just check with the community to see where they get their karma from now.

WvW is not an option for me because my server consistently gets stomped, and we never have huge zergs capping everything in sight. That being said, any help would be of great justice.

Thanks!

The point is you shouldn’t have to keep up at all. We were told we could jump in and play significant roles in any part of the game. (Btw read again I don’t consider myself a casual, I just see my RL friends struggling in parts. And they are actually VERY experienced mmo players).

It absolutely baffles me how people still haven’t figured out how to beat thieves. Their solution is to come here. I consider myself an above average thief, and occasionally just get roflstomped when someone actually knows what they are doing. I even run the “op” 0/20/30/20/0 build and it is sooo counter able by well timed interrupts. I’m sure the people that beat me love this game from the satisfaction they have of figuring out a thief and breaking them down.

Edit: this spec only hits for about 4-5k back
stabs.

Nokaru.7831:

DarcShriek.5829:

I’m on SoR, and guess what every time I do Teq I’m on the overflow. Even if you didn’t have guests, there’s a good chance you’d still be in overflow. Stop crying about guests and be a good host.

Here’s a story:

Today BG was fighting Tequatl about an hour before the reset on the BG’s main Sparkfly Fen map. Many were there helping repeat the kill for those that needed it for the day.

The problem came with the the patch that was pushed mid-attempt. You see, there are many players actively trying to Guest onto BG so when they saw this patch they immediately snagged it and joined the “new” BG Sparkfly Fen map, shutting out 100+ BG players who were helping kill Tequatl at that moment.

Tequatl spawned shortly thereafter and no Commander was willing to help or use any strategy. This would not have even been so bad, but the players who guested were also very rude, especially the Commanders. One Commander from Darkhaven was very abrasive and telling everyone they were terrible for no reason.

I’m from Darkhaven and while there are a ton of great players on our server, we have plenty of rude and extremely vocal wannabe leaders that drag us down. Today we had 110 people in team speak, a solid plan thanks to Blackgate, yet still failed. (Swift you were doing an AMAZING job, before the drama). I think our server is bitter and hurt from tons of our “top” guilds leaving because we weren’t performing as we think we should have in wvw, but that’s besides the point. We had a ton of people on our maps who think they are too cool, bashing us for trying to use VoIP. This doesn’t help our progress. The point has been made, but I really feel that very few people can ruin this event for many since it requires such tight knit work. While yes it’s possible, it’s simply not w/o a third party program and 100% dedication from EVERYONE zoned in the map. This takes hours of camping the map to attempt to remove the bads and hope good people replace them. Again this is not a new argument, but I haven’t seen much from Darkhavens perspective and I think the majority feel this way.

AH yes. This thread again. Where IoJ and SF post scores the first day because we can’t get people on for reset, but then they stop posting when we win by 50k+. Also, SF. I haven’t met a person yet who can beat me 1v1/1v2. Stop using gimmick specs, and find one out that actually works on your own. I’M LOOKING AT YOU PISTOL WHIP THIEVES. OH and don’t use elite skills during duels, it’s the equivalent of Tyson biting off an ear. Not sporting.

Just give thieves a shield and take away guardian and warrior shields/blocks/armor and see if they think thieves are op. My guess would be yes.

Engels.8537:

A class who can heal damaging conditions and become invisible at the same time,

A class who can restart any fight at will,

A class with an impressive mobility and burst damage,

A class with the best escape mechanism,

A class with the best damage mitigation in the whole game, (stealth),

A class with almost no cooldowns and a laughable punishment for spamming a single key during the whole fight,

Yep… super hard to master, and it dies super easily…

By a huge margen, behind the warrior, is the most noob friendly class in the whole game… it just took me a couple of hours to master the basic, and a couple more to be more than decent,

You realize going stealth stops 0 damage right? Just keep hitting him and think if u went stealth where u would run.. Yes using “skill” and intuition beats stealth. How do you beat a thief in real life? You catch him, and handcuff him.

On a side note, I feel thieves are finally balanced in spvp/tpvp. You cant really mug>cnd>bs 1 shot people in spvp anymore, and I’m glad. Mug was simply too much. I run D/P and find tanky classes to be.. tanky, and thieves to be delightfully slippery, but by no means unstoppable. I’ve been playing thief for about 6 months, and have met few on the duel servers that can beat me (many many many thief v thief fights) if that means anything. The class that tends to have the easiest job are engi, which to me shows how some classes are better against some than others, some are comparable, and some are worse.

And i find it funny how since heartseeker is so loud and noticeable people think thats all we use. Sure some do, but I haven’t seen anyone actually die from one of those “noobs” in a long time. Heartseeker is a leap finish combo, and if you don’t try to use combos on almost every aoe field you see.. then idk what to tell you. You should. Learn them. They require a lot of skill to recognize and engage in a productive manner. The skill comes in knowing when to use it, and, a lot of times, make sure it DOESN’T hit someone. Since our skills are bundled with multiple aoes, or buffs or condi, we take this skill and use it for many different utilities. This is where the thief skill cap lies.

Just my opinions and 2 cents. Happy playing!

I find it funny that people complain wow is a broken game, but compare most mmos to it, and critique them when they are different.

Ps I believe thieves are fine. And I agree with ^ on the small scale thing. In a 30v30 match in wvw the better complete team will win, not the one with more thieves.

I find it funny how people call WoW a broken kitten game (which it is), and then say anet should make gw more like wow. Hmmmm