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There are also quite a lot of things that a dps guardian can do which a dps warrior can’t. There’s no denying that warrior burst is higher. But it’s apples and oranges. Topics been done to death though so I’ll let it slide.

Tarsius sums it up quite nicely.
“it’s incredibly rewarding, but any mistake can be fatal”

The any mistake could be fatal part is half of the fun part about a glass cannon guardian.

Ji teleporting into a group of 15 with only 11k hp and no stealth is a very thrilling experience.

Well burn actually is kinda viable. You’ll notice it if you run heavy offensive builds. Viable not in the sense that it does a lot of damage with it’s ticks, but with how it synergize with the zeal and radiance line.

Like mentioned above u can get 20% more damage from burn with 10 in zeal and 25 in radiance. Get some flame legion runes and it becomes 25%.

The burn mechanic is very strong especially in pve for these type of guardians. Since justice is pretty much an aoe blind, vulnerability, might and group wide burn which increases your damage by 20%. Which also renews everytime you kill something. It actually feels very Op when I’m in Orr mowing down groups of mobs like any respectable seeker guard should and spamming my F1.

In wvw I guess I’ve also been spoiled with the 20% damage and I feel i would feel useless if it got removed.

It doesn’t do much damage by itself. But at the same time it’s just such a vital mechanic for guardians which spec heavily in zeal and radiance. It’s like most offensive guardian builds will be rendered useless without that crappy 300 damage burn tick.

Glass cannons in my experience ironically works best as WvW builds, where you are supposed to die fast with 20people shooting at you.
I tried them in dunguens, died too much. Dont want to try it in Spvp, i dont do spvp and i feel it wouldnt work well there.

Some points to consider though. 25 points in Radiance is most likely a must for glass cannon builds for Radiant power which is an easy 10% damage increase most of the time.

Havent tried empowering might or 2 hand mastery. But i feel that the increased crit damage is at least as good and opens up to ah and mf.

At the end of the day. Its the interesting debate of whether you should take damage over survivability or the other way around.

But with that said, you balance guards need to get the idea that you guys deal similar damage to glass cannon guards out of your head.

These are your stats:
“By all means play the class the way you want. Just note that it isn’t going to be effective. No matter how good a “dps” guardian seems, a balance will always outshine it. My Stats just to brag: 3050 Attack, 3100 Armor, 70% Crit Damage, 31% Crit Chance, 17k Life. No Food either. Not only am I more “tanky” but I dish out practically dish out the same dps. "
From Archer: in a post really similar to this one

Here is mine(screenshot at bottom) doing stats achieved doing pretty much every trick possible in the book:

With this information now i feel we can do a damage comparison now

Firstly ill make things simple by counting 10 hits from both guards. Under the assumption that they only auto attack, use the same weapon etc. And also to make the math easier. Ill pretend that 3000attack translates to 100 damage hits. Yes………because i hate math.
And also ill take the liberty to round things up when i feel like it again to make things even more easy.

Easy math of Damage of Archer , balance guardian in 10 hits=
100 × 10 = 1000 damage without counting crit + crit damage
70% crit damage = 170 damage on crit
crit chance 30% = 3/10 hits crit = 510 damage
So final damage = 700 + 510 damage
=1210 damage
You might think thats not too bad

Damage by Glass cannon me with killer offense stats + damage multiplier with traits:

3800 attack compared to 3000. 3000 attack = 100 damage. Extra 800 damage = roughly 20% more damage = 120 damage per hit
120 × 10 = 1200…………..the comparison could actually end right here

crit damage = 105%, im lazy ill pretend its 100 = 1200 x2 = 2400 per hit
Do notice my close to 100% crit rate……………………ill assume it crits 10/10 in 10 hits
2400 × 10 = 2400

Its not over yet though………
10% extra damage from fiery wrath. 10% more from radiant power. 5% more greatsword power. = 25% percentage increase
2400 × 125% = 3000

Again im lazy and ill pretend that i dont get vulnerability stacks on my target with traited blind. Or actually ill just use it to cover up what damage balance guards get from stuff like empowering might.

Compare 1200 damage with 3000 damage.

Conclusion: Your damage and my damage. Not even close man!

Now with these numbers in mind carry on the discussion of Offense with 0 survivability VS Defense with no damage.

Guitarist.4017:

your all looking like sad losers who can’t take a fall.

Pretty much what people from other matchups get from this thread.
Way to get some bad-rep for your server.
There goes my sympathy of SF rolling over you both.

A shame, the Fergusons used to be more classy.

Well here’s what i feel about this trip from tier 8 to tier 2

I originally transfered to Kaineng not out of any merits of the server. I was on HoD then because i heard there were many asian, chinese, taiwanese people there. The queues were horrible, so was the culling. Therefore, i decided because of my crappy computer that i should just go the the server with the lowest population. And there Kaineng was right at the top of the list.

So this pugger here never transferred here because of some great cause such as answering to people like Fubuki who was trying to save the server.

So in a way, i never cared much about the identity we have also.

At the end of the day, if i was to be harsh and realistic. I’d say that:
Identities such as “punching above their weight” and “proud underdogs” in reality are just things you use to make yourself feel better when your getting stomped. Or some compliments by your opponents half due to skill and half due to sympathy.

I like WvW and in all those week we were rolled by Devonas i was there. Lets just say that being “proud underdogs” never helped us to win.

Its true that i feel a certain sense of satisfaction when someone mentions that we used to be “punching above their weight” and being “proud underdogs”. But the practical side of me tells me that those were also the times when i would have to charge into a group of 5-6 solo, and die on a daily basis.

I DO miss the old times, those times were like living in a small village. People were more close, more emotional attachment to everything you do. Still remember our first win. Overshadows all of these others nowadays. And back then when we used to take SM, we were overjoyed everytime like its a server first. Not now lol, have gotten used to rolling over people now and hardly feel the thrill to it anymore.

But both styles have their pros and cons. I cannot say which one i prefer more. And as a result most of old Kain who are still here have decided to just live and adapt.

And theres actually some of us still around, Kain you can see everynow and then. CnB, which used to be one of my most trustworthy allies during the guerilla warfare periods against Devonas were still there. The asian PVEers SoS are also still here. Along with some random puggers here and then who i can still remember their names.

Not much has changed, lets say we made A LOT of new friends and the enemy zerg has also become much bigger.

Well not like the Old Kain has been around long enough or we had enough people to make me feel that nostalgic about it.

Rocketing through the tiers has its ups and downs
But as long as i still get to bash a few faces in in WvW. Its all good for this random pugger here.

Oh…..and +1 to OP for this post not being something negative about us for once.

Arken.3725:

We require people, others do not.

This one is so true.

It seems that watever build you go, theres always one weakness you cant get over unless you have some teammates around.

With the weakness varying according to the build of your choice.

Why are the maguuma people suddenly being nice and reasonable in this thread? =.=
Lol in that last post 15 pages in less then 3 days. Most of it was you guys trakittenalking on us. From tier 8 to tier 3, ive never seen our trakittenalking posts get to 15 page. You guys talked more smack to us in 2 days more than what all the other servers in all other tiers do in a week.

And now your trying to act innocent, play victim, and make it look as if we’re the ones with big egos, and starting all the gloating?

You want us to stop with the chest-thumping? You control your own people with yours.

………..But since in this thread all of you has been acting civil and respectful for the most part.

I shall now apologize for me acting like a jerk(at least to the decent people of your server i see in this thread) and go hide in a hole in the ground most likely until reset.

@Display

It has been a loong loong time since we spawn camped Sorrow’s Furnace.

………..you have my sympathies for whatever happens next week

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

Archer.1658:

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

You guys realize warrior range is almost as bad as, if not worse than, guardian range? Guardians at least has staff to keep pressure on kiters and they’ll last much longer in a straight melee dps race. Warrior has nothing but rifle, which is crap damage even if it hits, and snares are pointless against a guardian because you getting close to him is already doing 95% of his work for him.

I would one shot you with kill shot. Hows that for a crappy rifle? Hell my volley would net me 6k easy.

@ Op. Time your shield blocks and enduring pain. Pace yourself and you will never lose to a guardian or at least die by one. Also, constantly use cc’s of any kind to make the guardian blow cool downs to either heal or stun break.

Have you ever actually hit anything with Kill Shot or Volley? I think Orb detonation to staff auto actually does more than Volley in the same amount of time, even.

……..Your kidding right….?

Supersun.4603:

Population by a Looooooooooooong shot.

I mean on Friday I heard that during oceanic primetime that Kaineng had a quene on every map.

DB’s asian crew is good (relatively), but they never had THAT many people.

Please do continue to underestimate us.

Every single server from tier 3-8 thought they would “crush us” before the actual fight. And when they start losing they all start to blame the population and transfers.

If you guys are half as good as what you always claim to be. What with all the one of you can solo 5 Kains and stuff. You’d actually be winning.

Oh yeah and stop making things up about our population. We never ever had queues on all 4 maps in Oceanic time.

…..umm why do we get these guardian vs warrior comparison posts every other day?

On topic, some range and kiting would be a nice idea. Since we have no range at all. Anytime you are kiting us is free hits.

Most Guardians would also likely outheal warriors quite easily though. So a war of melee attrition should be avoided.

Some solid kiting to make them burn cooldowns and then 100blade surprise burst might bring them down. Maybe…….

But i guess the easiest way to kill a guardian is probably to just stick with the zerg. Take out your rifle. And give him a 1500 range killshot.
Sounds like the the most failproof plan to me.

We should start flaming Mag and DB before they start flaming us in this post.

Here ill start!

Dragonbrand those 2 flame rams in Redbriar trying to ram our walls shows real skill and strategy!!

Its true too.

Evalana.5480:

Mag! only 12 pages in this thread and not even a mod warning?? This is very unlike you <3 Where’s the fury? Where’s the drama?? I kinda like the new you

What do you mean? You mean there holding back all this time. My god.

Ive sit through all the trolling and flames from tier 8 to tier 3. Maguuma beats everything ive seen. They make all the other trolls from all those servers look like nice people.

How much more worse can it get? Im curious!

My build and playstyle was inspired by that old guerrilla guardian video you can still find on YouTube. Of you are curious how a glass cannon guardian runs in wvw. I suggest you look at that video. It’s basically what happens usually for me in open field fights on my guardian too.

I’d be lying if I said our survivability is good. But look at the video. You can see that guy doesn’t really die. Not before sniping down many people at least.

Let’s just say I can go in and walk out alive a majority of the time.

You guys might have a point though in that guardians should focus more on support. But you have to take a bit of my wvw history into account.

I’m on kaineng, previously a low pop server. This type of build originated when I realized that I’d always be outnumbered by my opponents at that time. The goal of my guardian changed from trying to tank 20 people alone which is a futile effort to counting how much of that 20 man group I could down before I got what’s in store for me.

And since we used to be a very pug oriented server. I usually don’t have the liberty to have teammates which could reliably dish put enough damage to kill anyone at all. In those days, me going tanky could well be the difference of killing that group. Or letting them all run free.

And then it’s sad to say I have never been in a major guild to care about coordination in wvw.

This build has pretty much been what I’ve been using for months because of all these circumstances. And now I’ve become molded into somewhat of an assassination type specialist in wvw.

I had my doubts with this build when we started to move up the tiers. But I’m happy to say that at least even in tier 3, it still does it’s job which is sniping players in enemy zergs. The only thing that’s changed is that wall of reflection is now nearly always on my bar thoough for escape. Lol

I’d probably agree that support builds are best for guardians in big coordinated wvw guilds though. But hey puggers like me need to make the most out of the situation.

Just when all of us on Kaineng thought the days of Pvdoor would come to an end.
The servers get reset.

Anet trolling us all.

The asian army is too strong. Ughh!!!

Even tier 3 cant stop the nightcap.

Pretty sad though we’re getting a reset this week. Tier 2 didnt even seem that far away. (Not bragging, just some unbiased observations looking at the scores in asian hours.)
Who knows where we’ll all end up =.=

Not totally true

Even ignoring our superior offensive stats.
Dps guards can get more than 25% burst just from zeal and radiance traits alone over balance guards without points in Zeal and Radiance. Not taking into account our blind vulnerability procs with leap of faith and Voj procs. And Leap of faith procs are a bit buggy in that it sometimes gives more than 3 vulnerability procs.
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Blind_Exposure

And also your skill choices affect the results too
I also charge up with staff 4 and pop save yourselves before i go in.

So realistically we dont do the same dps

And here are the stats of a true glass cannon guardian hitting you in WvW
complete with staff 4 buff, save yourselves, sigils, food and oil

Most people just roll over and die in face of 3800 attack, 96%crit chance and 107%crit damage

And i must say that the Yaks and CDs are probably the most respectful and civil servers we’ve ever had the chance to meet from tier 8 to tier 4.
Well at least your forum posters are.
So kudos to good sportsmanship on your part.

GL too on your next matchup

@danico

Maybe its just playstyle, while i agree elementalists are generally more useful…..i mean there pretty much like the generally most useful class in most WvW scearios right.

Guardians do have something over them for some more niche roles.

Like all that sanctuary wardings things most people talk about.

And for my glass cannon playstyle. Guardians have a built in advantage over elementalists in the form of 1200 range Judge Intervention.
Its even longer range than thief steal.
Making us as much of an opportunistic class as a backstab thief and thus why i compare offensive guardians to them.

It makes us optimal for picking on the weak links of the enemy zerg in WvW. You dont show weakness against an assasin style guardian or backstab thief in WvW. The moment you do, they blink on top of you and your down.

Compared with the glass cannon elementalist or warrior where you can see them coming from a mile away. All your element of surprise is gone. And all the squisihies see you coming and retreat back into the middle of their zerg and deny you of the kill.

Glassy elementalists are only better when it comes to running away. But thats a reasonable trade-off.

Frailty can be corrected by a good read of the battlefield, wall of relfection and pretty much just having enough guts.

Should you favor the kamikaze style glass canon guardian route of no return

/smoke

/Says WvW guardian with 0 pts in Honor and Virtue running full berzerker and ruby gear

Have always ran a glass cannon guardian build in wvw. I’m guessing that I’m either crazy or actually a genius. Most likely both.

Contrary to what most support tanky guardians would say about this build though. I find myself very useful. And consider myself some of the most important personnel in a group. Pretty much making the difference between pushing back the enemy Zerg, wiping them compared to both groups stalling each other out forever.

Now I know everybody would say glass cannon guardians has bad damage and survivability. But in my experience this is not the case.

I go in down an 80 , downs another upscaled 80 standing around with aoe cleave. Meanwhile planting a wall of reflection in their face and watch all the ranged classes stare at me. I also get out alive 90% of the time. And all of this is on a 40 second cooldown.

When I go in at least 1 guy on the other side dies. Always. So I encourage people like the op to not dismiss the glass cannon, and offensive specced guardian in wvw. It has it’s place too in this playing field. And pls don’t try to compare the glass cannon guardian with a glass canon warrior. Our kind has more in common with backstab thieves than anything else. The only difference between us and them though is that there the cookie cutter build so everyone thinks there op. While glass cannon guards are 1 in a 1000. Chances are you have never been killed by one. So you think they suck.

You don’t see the Yak bender cos there too busy in their own borderlands trying to
Take our garrison. Well technically it’s theirs but it’s ours now.

This is a weird week. Wvw isn’t about the points anymore. It’s like garrison keep wars. The yak benders and crystal deserters really wants it back.

Garrison must hold!
Or I’ll feel I lost the matchup.

Its probably just your server. Maybe Thieve/ele/mesmer/guard are a EU thing
In my experience i actually find warriors and rangers to be the most popular classes.
Although there certainly has been a rise in the number of thieves and elementalists as of late.

And i disagree that warriors do nothing in a zerg.
Theres always the 10k kill shot.

Vitu.3580:

The thing is, people want this class to be unkillable and still be able to kill everything. I do hate perma-stealth Theives. I hate that I can outplay them so hard and nearly flawless victory them only to have them stealth and run away. Same for Eles. But I’ve come to accept that that’s part of the class.

And i guess this is also where we agree to disagree

I actually want those thieves and eles dead. End.

You just cant go and “accept that its part of your class” dude

Eles and thieves are alwaays gonna fool around with you with that kind of thinking.

Now join our plight to gain more Control and mobility!

Just because that…..maybe we could support better than a warrior doesnt mean that we should be funneled into support builds which many people seem to be suggesting.

And im pretty sure i compared with the ele btw……….

To me us being maybe better at support than a warrior does not disqualify us
from asking for improvements in areas such as better ranged weapon
or as suggested by this post, better control and stuff.

Its like being able to support has become a bit of a bane of our class.

Whenever we ask to get some buffs.

People just go
But your a support class, go support.

I never really liked the idea that guardians should be a support class

The reason being it seems like a watered down version of the elementalist

Why would i want to play support guardian

When Support elementalists support just as well
and can still blow people up with staff aoe
and can similarly whip out a dagger or a sceptor to become one of the best dueling classes

All in 1 single support build.

Meanwhile, support guardians
supports and does nothign else

The question is, why is the Guardian widely considered to be THE support class.
When the only advantage we have over a support ele is pretty much only wall of reflection…..and maybe stability.

And we are not obliged to make you understand

Yes, we are all bandwagoners who like to pick on low tier servers and we all like to gang up on a single scaled up 80s with 10 people. We all traansfered here so we can destroy any semblance of balance you have here in your WvW. We also like to spawn camp all of you with 5 ballistas, 2 arrow carts and a treb because we could.

There happy now?

And Chastor

Whats up with that post of yours.

All i got from it was..

Queues!
Guilds stick to their assigned Borderlands!
Somebody throws a fit!
We arent gonna WvW anymore!
Chastor kitten !!
Chastor puts nail in coffin with forum thread!

Basically, to sum it up, it feels like lots of people kittening about stupid stuff
Why do u guilds always get something to argue about over something so trivial =.=

Chastor i shall now blame you for Kainengs second implosion and guild drama-rama.
Guilty as charged!
/hits gavel

Its funny how that some guy on Crystal Desert who hasnt ever fought Kain before WM transfered over seems so sure that we “barely smelled t7 till WM arrive”

Ask the Devonas we held in tier 8 for 8 weeks.

They’ll tell you that we put up more of a fight than all the tier 7 servers combined.

We would have been a tier 6 server even without the transfers.

People really underestimate the Old Kain

My personal favorite

D/D ele 1v5-8 video

since posting videos seems to be the trend in this thread

I also want to skip tier 3

Id rather lose in tier 2 than go through maybe another week of 600 to 50 50 scores

The Na primetime queuetime is no joke
Was wondering if I’d ever get in today
Ahh that’s weekends for u

Guess I’ll sign up for the Asian army

Oh and guys from kain
Let’s not respond to the trolling this week. We all know how it all turned out
When u try to explain things over these 4 weeks.
Do ourselves a favor.
Ignore the flames.
Keep our threads clean.

To me all classes are equal against the 30 man Zerg. So it’s balanced in it’s own sick way.

Unless u are talking about 1on1 s though.

But then again 1on1s don’t matter in wvw so it’s still for the most part balanced

Like I said On the guardian forums. I head for the nearest tower when I’m alone and see thieve/Mesmer/ele in the distance.

My strength lies in Zerg fights. The trick is just to choose your fights and engage only when you can apply your class strengths.

but “retreat” actually sounds pretty cool

Part of why guardians make the best commanders

We’ve got good lines with retreat , stand your ground,
Hold the line, and save yourselves

And I always chuckle a bit when warrior commanders tell us to
“shake it off”

Wait are you sure that’s the philosophy?
They must have messed it up quite a bit

From what I heard in spvp

….. I heard it was very defensy place

Well not like it’s much fun for me either when I have to compete with 20 other people
To get to kill a few reds.
Get in line people.

But really guys?

Why are some of u sounding so serious?

We may have the biggest Zerg and the crappiest players.
Why should I care?

Your heals used to be unlimited
But then some people abused it by stacking 20 healers on the same spot so that they never die

Therefore it’s now nerfed

I base my answer on the op. Pretty sure he’s talking about 1on1

And I just think that there’s little reasons to fight the more tanky mesmers. Outside of bunkering in spvp

If all the 5+ minute fight club 1on1 guardian vs Mesmer matches I see are anything to go by

Guardian is a weird class whose only function in pvp is really to stall as bunker in spvp.

From a WvW viewpoint

Theres not much to do when you see a mesmer besides walking back to your tower and guards. The only mesmers that you should be killing are mesmers which spec heavily in offense. Nobody really kills bunker specced thieves, mesmers or elementalists.

Their defensive stats pretty much makes null all your efforts to pump up your offensive stats. The kicker is that they have much higher mobility than you and have more panic buttons to press when they are actually about to die. Ensuring their survival.

Against more tanky thieves, mesmers and eles. Really the only thing you could do is either to run defensive and stall them out forever. Or run offensive, scare them away with some spike damage and then run to some guards and towers cos youve used your cooldowns.

It doesnt help that 90% of thieves, mesmers and eles run with other thieves,mesmers and eles in WvW to form those elite, all skill roaming gank groups.

Then all you can really do is cross your fingers and pray that the 5-6 pugs you are with doesnt suck. (But what am i talking about? 5-6 puggers means 2 upscaled 80s, and 2 rangers on your team according to WvW norm)

Most of the time you watch all of them go down 1 by 1 ……… but like I said, you should know better by now. You pretty much inch your way back to your tower and throw a few Greatsowrd swings every now and then to put on the show that you are actually fighting hard.

Then you can let out a bit of a sigh as you stand at your tower looking at the bodies of all your pug teammates.

TLDR

Guardians as an awesome defensive class is unmatched in surviving Thieve/ele/mesmer roaming ganks squads in WvW by running to your nearest tower asap. We make great rezzers to all your other teammates who actually stand around to fight and die trying.

Tiglie.5834:

I don’t understand how any of the original Kain players stuck around. Your server is a mess. Snowballing for a month straight now…………….we’ve been on both ends, it’s no mystery that we server hop constantly, but man, being on the zerg server is easily the most boring thing in my opinion.

Well i server hopped a lot too

Toured around Borliss, Anvil, Eredon, Ferg too
fun seeing the sights

But now with transfers closing on 28th…………

i want to be here in person to see just how far this server could go

im not sure if increasing the aoe would change much tbh

i mean

when was the last time that your aoe actually caught more than 5 people in it?

@silver

my sentiments exactly

exactly why i would rate a healer warrior/ele/engineer over a healer guardian

the mace and staff

the 2 weapon combo which convinces me that i shouldnt go full healer/support

Reminds me of a story from a kungkitten (lol censor) novel

Some bad guys killed all the family/friends/dog of hero.
Hero like all heroes do goes into a cave to train.
Unlike other heroes who power up in a day this one took 50 years to become invincible.
He went out of his cave only to find that most of his enemies had already died of old age. And the only left is a sick dying old man.
hero has hard time deciding whether he should punch his face in……..

Kinda like what i feel with the devonas right now.
DR imploded. My epic rematch shall never happen. RIP

Cactus.2710:

Draygo.9473:

Ok till friday ill start replying to these DR posts with quotes from Dred. It should be fun.

Go ahead, but Dred’s gone and both his guild and his server felt the same about him as you do.

applause

but tbh its probably 4months late though

And about all the stuff about Kaineng having no skill now?

Yes your right. With all the bandwagons, transfers and low lvls popping up into the winning server. Most likely our average WvW skill and individual combat ability DID take a hit.

Theres some good guilds and good fighters like WM and RE the like who are pretty good. But its true that the general individual strength of the population has sunk.

Am i unhappy about it? No actually not really. Things change, and this game which hasnt been out for half a year doesnt justify me being nostalgic of the whether perceived or true skill lvl of the old Kaineng.

Everything is different now. The requirements for us on this server is now also different.

There was a time in tier 8 where the power of the individual was important as there may be as few as 10 people on the map. This was the time when i proudly jumped into Devona groups which outnumber us 2 to 1 seeing how many kills we could score before we were overun. And at that time, id know there would be strong players backing me up from like CnB, Kain, or Larp Noqq etc.

While i do treasure those times, Us oldies from old Kaineng has also needs to adapt with the times.

Individual skill doesnt matter much anymore. Zergs and numbers are the deciding factor. Everynow and then you get good guilds with numbers and organization too and they steamroll everyone.

Sometimes, we just need to let go of our egos and accept reality.
We could hold onto our whether true or percieved awesome skill in the past and stop moving forward.
Or we could learn to adapt and adjust to the new ball game.

Seriously considering a more supportive build and spec to fit in more with the big Zerg. But i guess even zergs need some “assasin” type personel sometimes so ill have my killer build ready.

TLDR

I dont mind losing. But i like to win too.
And winning because of transfers or outnumbering you 10 to 1 doesnt really diminish my own enjoyment over the victory.

The thing is, many of us dont have too much trouble beating most warriors and so while you may make an essay which is both logical and sound about how warriors are just that much better than us in pvp. Most of us will still just believe in our own experience.

Not that i dont lose to warriors. I do sometimes, but most of the time i feel im at an advantage.

In my experience there not easy kills like necros, engineers or rangers.
Yet in no way do i feel they match DD eles, mesmers or thieves.

My personal experience with them tells me that the majority of them are pretty eaasy to beat.

I have a hard time sympathizing or lets say relating to claims of how gimp we are compared to them warriors.

Change the topic to random Guardian vs DD elementalist rant and id likely be chiming in with you

But warrior??? Nahh

Worst zerg ive ever seen

The only classes which should be winning against you even when you outnumber them are DD eles, mesmers and thieves.

Staff eles are actually a rather weak roaming/small group spec.

The quality of the zerg in this video is mindblowing.

Now i didnt expect a score like this………

I guess our story of “Revenge” against the Devonas shall end in an anti-climax

No idea why they want to nerf it. Most Aoes dont hit that hard.
And seriously just dont stand in chokepoints and dodge out of that red circle.

Well theres pros and cons in every class…..cant have it all. From a WvW perspective. We do have some advantages over the warrior.
1. Reflection wall
2. lines and wards……ignoring the fact many people can walk over them
3. 1200 range judge intervention surprise attack. (compared to Greatsword warrior who everyone can see a mile away. We just blink in)
4. Superior aoe damage over the warrior
5. More self heals. I made essays and wall of texts in “How not a Monk?” thread with judgebanks. I think we could agree that guardians heal teammates for a bit more than the warrior. Add in AH or meditation heals. We do have more self healing then those guys.
6. Save yourselves is still powerful WvW self buffing ability
7. The ability to grant groupwide protection and stability

Here just some advantages i can think of on a whim.

And we really need to stop comparing our burst with warrior GS hundred blade burst. Your always gonna feel gimp when you always compare yourself to that. Since hundred blade is like OMG (most likely) the highest bursting burst skill in thee whole game.

I guess basing ranks through kills would be the lesser of 2 evils

Basing it off objectives would make it really bad on the losing server. Seen quite a bit of 12hour 600/30/30 matches these few weeks. Arent pretty.
And whats the chance of the winning side to actually give up their possesions anyway? Id bet it wont happen.

On the other hand though. If it was based off kills. Me as a guardian would most likely look at the staff elementalist tagging everyone and curse my class.
But i guess i could live with that.

A bit of a love-hate relationship for the staff

I hate how little it hits for

But during siege defense i feel its awesome since i can be ram killer

And i have pretty much built my WvW playstyle around charging up with staff 4 before blinking into the enemy zerg to do some major damage

To sum it up. Soooo useful, yet also sooooo useless