Guild Wars 2

DarkSyze.8627:

1. A thief can use stealth to drop combat, heal to full automatically, then reengage before their target can drop combat. Even allowing for a brand new weapon to be equipped that’s perfect vs that target. So it’s a free reset for the thief but not for their target.

If a thief resets the fight, the opponent also gets the reset.
That would only make sense if there are other enemy players that have also engaged and are still in range or NPC mobs around.

DarkSyze.8627:

2. A thief can do damage and stay stealthed. If the thief does this properly the target will not realize where the damage is coming from until it’s too late. You can never really know if you are being killed by a stealthed thief or just by an unrendered source. So you cannot simply think “I’m taking damage must be a thief” and respond accordingly because if it’s just the clipping bug then you are equally screwed. (But if you are dead in under 2sec… ya it was a thief.)

The only thief that could do any decent damage while stealthed would be a condi P/D Cheese thief using caltrops,uncatchable etc.. but would they be able to kill anything with out breaking it and dropping sneak attack or a few shadow strikes to stack conditions? no decent player will lose to a thief just stacking bleeds.
If you’re talking about power builds, well then lol, even if you’re a crappy stealth spamming DP thief you cant stay stealthed and do any decent amount of damage. You can usually tell if a thief traits into SA or not, difference of 3/4 second CnD stealth/BP+HS combo, most classes (lolnecro) have blink/mobility skills, the thief needs to allow themselves to let stealth drop off before they execute the next stealth chain attack, therefore learning to time dodges while kiting is important.

DarkSyze.8627:

3. You cannot run away from a thief. It is impossible. The only thing you can hope for is that the thief doesn’t follow you for some reason. They can engage combat at the farthest range by a very large margin. They out-range and out run everything with proper use of shadowstep + other skills.

Thieves are made to finish off lower opponents. However, chasing down opponents comes at a huge cost, if you blow shadowstep/infiltrators/steal to just catch an opponent, that already puts you at a disadvantage, spamming infiltrators arrow will mean you’re gonna be low on initiative. And thats IF the thief is running shortbow.

DarkSyze.8627:

4. Thieves can kill with a burst, but they die pretty easily as well.
If there is something OP is the almost permanent stealth.

Please tell me how you’re able to perma stealth.

Not sure if troll…

Hey guys, just wanted to share a vid of my double dagger midget thief built for roaming Hope you enjoy it!

This was the build used~
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fZAQNAoYVlsMp0pdPxyJ8PNBNBtdFGeI4uGrYGaFAA-TVSBABWq+Tg7P8wDAwMlgXp8LijAAe6DW4QAAwJAgUARsMC-w

tora.3205:

I think yours build is way too slow.. As being a piece of paper you have to be as sneaky as a Thief, not like a Warrior
flanking strikes is not so good to be taken instead of Thrill of the Crime, also Hidden Killer, if you take Thrill of the Crime you will have Fury so you can run for Executioner. Hide in Shadow.. ok it’s a good healing, but it’s too slow if you are running outnumbered fights, they will stun/interrupt you each time you try to cast it, and.. cooldown is too long for such healing (30 secs)

What I suggest you to run is, the build I use in sPvP and WvW:

6/6/0/0/2

- Deadly Arts: Mug, Dagger Training and Panic Strike
- Critical Strikes: Signet of Power, Signet Use and Executioner
- Trickery: Thrill of the Crime

Skills:

- Withdraw, Assassin’s Signet, Signet of Agility and Signet of Shadow, Basilisk Venom

Gear:

- Full Zerker, Scholar Runes with Sigil of Fire and Air

This is a GC build as yours, but way more effective because you don’t risk to get hit from AoE spam and it has more damage spike, if you are in outnumbered fights just burst one down (you need just 2 sec) then swap to SB and spam Chocking Gas+Cluster Bomb/AA

I made this to be a 2-3 hit ko build, so movement speed isnt an issue. My usual is 2/6/6 with double blinks on traveler runes, so i just wanted something with maximum damage
I will be sure to try yours, maybe except maybe only one or two signets max, shadowstep and refuge are my normals haha

Arikyali.5804:

Quite a glass cannon build. It doesn’t have very much survival does it?

disregarding all survival for maximum power >:D

Hello fellow DD thieves!

Been experimenting with different double dagger burst builds… for those who like 5 digit backstabs, having their enemies not know wtf just killed them and those trying to step away from stealth-based roaming builds! I came up with a 46004 fun build not meant to sustain much damage or clear conditions, but getting in and out, sniping down targets at 1500 range with the normal [basilisk > signet > CnD > Steal >BS] combo before they have a chance to react. Pretty fun to solo roam with, but excels in small man havoc groups.

Tested with Scholar, Traveller, and Eagle runes, on zerk or valk armours and in my opinion, scholar runes are hands down the go-to for choice of runes equipped into either zerk/valk armour. Variants can include, going 6/6/2 with revealed training (with Blinding Powder in place of Assassin’s Signet for +200 power backstabs) which is quiet situational, as you’d need to position yourself either behind the person or use shadowstep to get behind, otherwise changing between Long Reach, Thrill of the Crime and Flanking Strikes would be based on personal playstyle.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fZAQNAoYVlsMp0pdPxxJ8PNRLBt9Ii+L88MxRzHEAA-TFSBABRcEAua/R5He6DW4QAAwJA4hHAAlq/YmSQSBExyI-w

And finally, just a short video just to showcase what the build can do~
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aX1O1V-M-hw&feature=youtu.be
Feedback is appreciated! :]

Ps. Conditions will eat you alive ._.

Dem skills! Nice gameplay
I would love to duel you one day as d/d!

Playing mainly DD thief, my steal is mouse button 3, and i’ve always used infiltrator’s signet as mouse button 4 (side button on razer death adder) My key bindings are a little funny though, but it allows freedom of precast+blink without missing the key or hitting it too late, and easy to keep mobile :]

Skills 1-5 for me is Q, E, X, C, R
Heal – Alt +1
Utilities – 1, 2, 3
Elite – 4
Dodge – Mouse 5 (2nd side button)
Stomp – F

Hey buddy, congrats on your incin!!
Awesome video as always haha, gettin better by the day

Have you guys even tried using sb #3 ingame? It still ports you back and forth and animation isnt much better, it just doesnt moonwalk…

Sigh -_-
Still broken

Fight aids with aids, roll a s/s+Lb war 8D

Great co-ordination haha enjoyed the vid

oh noes! different match ups this week

wingclip.6182:

Condi War/Engi, Perma Stealth, PU Mesmer are some that come to my mind.

Haha maybe, but for thief, i think this is far as it gets

MightyMicah.7451:

Yay! I’ve been running P/D for a little while now and it’s so fun! I’m ashamed that I do so much cheese, but hey, you gotta do what you gotta do. One thing you might try out that I’ve recently been testing is Balthazar runes. This way you can access burning as an extra condition. It takes away your poison from your elite, but if you use doom sigils you can acess points on fairly easily.

May not be better than what you have, but just different. I figured I’d offer the measly amount of advice I have to give xD Good to see another condi thief out there!

Zach.3264:

You should try using this build. If you use Shadow Refuge + venoms and fire through the dark field from Shadow refuge you wouldn’t believe how much damage it does. Not only that, but you heal practically a full bar.

Thanks for the advice! I’ll be sure to try it out sometime soon, love testing new builds hehe

I’ve always used p/d condition because I like the keep-away ranged style play and agility; However, I really lament not having an interrupt. Lately I’ve been considering dropping shortbow as my secondary weapon set for d/p. That will give me headshot for interrupts and shadow shot and heartseeker for chasing nearly dead opponents down. Thoughts?

D/P works pretty nice as a secondary set, pros and cons for each but i’ve found that i dont really need the interrupt since you can outlast most opponents in fights.. however the shortbow for me, has saved my life so many times, with the immob, AoE poison/bleeds, and most importantly the access to the hundreds of infiltrator’s arrow shortcuts, personally, i wouldn’t switch it out

fabz.4736:

yes i have tried pack runes but seem to like the speed runes more for the hp and the 25% speed ans yes with the food i am changing to power/prec

haha yeah, for me, the utilities are essential for D/D and im too used to having 25% ms with travelers to give it up XD everything just feels too slowwww

Its a pretty well rounded build, but lacking a little bit of power imo.
Have you thought about using Runes of the Pack? +100 power/125 precision and in combat, the swiftness up-time is roughly 50%. If you’re using shadows rejuv on the SA trait, do you really need the lifesteal of the omnom? There are options such as 100power/70 prec or 100power/70 ferocity and with infiltrator’s sigil, the trait Signets of Power works well with the burst damage :]

wingclip.6182:

Condi eh?

Still a strong build that got even better now that krait runes are replacing those odd max bleed duration rune mixes.

I have played this build for a way to long time. Even b4 Wildbill ran it (his build was odd back then) Then played S/D for a while and got good results. But nowhere near as effective as P/D was back then.

But it is also considered “cheese mode”(so is D/P and S/D). Its a very easy to learn build that at the end of the day shows its flaws against good players.

For example against D/P perma builds its almost a must to be able to land C&D on cloaked enemys. Against evil 2 0 0 6 6 or similar S/X builds its all about getting the fight close to the returningpoints of the enemy thiefs teleport skills to not allow him to rangereset. Dont try to C/D on them right after they jumped you unless your timing is perfect you will miss.

Shadowrefuge should be used as a heal via combofield/healing projectile. I almost never just sit in there.

Perplexity Runes do not make sense. In my opinion they never did. On a condi thief they have never been OP. They were wasted money.

Still i would recommend to learn a different build. For the fun I guess thats why people are enjoying S/x builds so much at the moment cause they are fun to play.

Haha you guessed it, i went with krait since perplex didnt seem as effective to me.
I guess anything that is easy to play people will just call cheese.. I tried this in duels against some other players that just ended up being dragged out (some lasted like 10 minutes..) or them refusing to duel me at all because i was playing this spec!
I’m usually d/d+sb power for roaming and i learnt the sword builds, but i much rather S/X in PvP since you can juke all day. Thanks for watching

Sons.5493:

There are waaaaaaaaaaaaay cheesier builds out there tbh.

Which build do you consider cheesier? :P

Took a break from the usual d/d and decided to try out everybody’s favorite P/D condition thief, with a build so cheesy it gave my thief high cholesterol!

I now know why so many thieves run this type of build in WvW haha, not the hardest of play styles and much more forgiving, but it can still be challenging and fun when the odds are tipped against you i guess xD

Critique is welcome, and i hope you enjoy the vid!
:]

With the new ferocity patch, i find myself playing a little less offensively, rather, i’d be stacking blinds with shadowshot/blinding powder and using auto attacks a lot more. A useful tip is auto attacking inside BP until it nearly runs out, then heartseekering for stealth and a critical hit if they’re close enough. Whether they stay outside your BP or come in and try burst you down, you have many options, switch to shortbow and range dps them down, or stealthing to try and close the gap. I am also finding that Precision is scaling rather close to ferocity, with not being able to rely on huge crit chunks here and there (also with the chance you might miss/hit them from the front), you have to find a way to sustain a stable dps through auto attacks, shadow shots and heartseeker.

Personally, i am still using the “old” build of 0/6/6/2/0 with travelers, and although damage isn’t nearly as good if you might stacked with runes of strength (i’ve ran both sets), but i love my movespeed and i find you’re able to sustain yourself and survive better against many classes.

Heres my warrior :]

Strength runes i’ve tried and found excellent for damage, you’ll be nearly hitting pre nerf numbers..but personally, i cant seem to give up the 25% ms from travelers, which opens up a utility slot, and that is invaluable to me, although if you dont mind and can give up the ms then go for strength runes.

I am using Air in main hand, and Force offhand the 5% damage increase helps a lot with damage, and i find you’re able to build enough might stacks simply with stealth and dodging (either food or traited).

You could use it with CS Trait for might stacks too, but which utility would you give up? I like having Shadow Refuge, Shadowstep and Blinding Powder for survival.

Lamuness.3570:

I like your damage and how often you hit CnD. I can’t do that :\ What’s the armor / runes you running?

Ty :]
I am running Valks with traveler runes, cav accessories, rest zerk.

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