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Congrats to everyone who has finished their legendary(ies)!
I’m one of the stragglers
It’s taking me quite a while to craft mine, but I’m finally nearing the milestone of having everything except the precursor, and of course now I’m starting to feel the itch to play the forge with exotics. I know this is not a good idea, but having just spent months on the gifts, it’s really a grueling thought to spend double that time earning enough gold to buy Dawn on the TP. I am not the type to grind CoF repeatedly, though I do a lot of dungeons, including CoF, at my leisure.I almost logged in and bought a bunch of exotics to throw in this morning before work, but I restrained myself. I dread what I may do when I get home.
So please: Dissuade me! Dissuade me!
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/crafting/Precursor-question/2025281 Maybe this will help?
Hmm well I play an engineer and an ele so I have no idea what you are talking about
facepalm OOPS, Yeah I really forgot about engi and ele… xD Edited the OP accordingly!
For the other classes the point stands though – I would like to see the option to either:
1. Be versatile with the use of two weapon sets,
2. Be specialised with the use of one weapon set.For #2 to work, there needs to be a bonus for the use of one weapon set – either additional cooldown reduction or something else.
Well see here is the thing. Each class has its on benefits of the way their weapons work. In engineers case we gain toolkits which is basically a weapon swap giving us 5 new abilities with their own purpose and we have talents to take advantage of that fact. Which allows for versatile play options and utility even while in combat, ie, works just fine and has lots of options. For ele we switch between magic attunements, the range of abilities differs with the weapon we have equipped and each serve a purpose but there isnt a need to be able to switch weapons AND attunement in combat we have plenty of options without that. I guess what I am saying is everything looks fine to me and I enjoy the differences and options in each class and don’t feel they need to be changed. And its easy to time weapon swaps for CDs as well as quickly utilize each different weapon during a fight. I also have played a warrior so I have that perspective as well.
The one thing I would like to see would be another weapon choice for engi to use but thats mainly because Im a completionist kitten and the more things I have to ‘work on’ the more fun it is. And it was one big reason why I rolled an ele after engin was for the class itself and the achievements.
I honestly dislike the idea, Guildwars 2 tried to change the generic way of auto attacks, ability layouts / execution.
I just find it to be less indepth, you find yourself spamming 1 button (Usually attack #1) and then clicking the others when needed. This allowing only 5-6 abilities is it ? able to be used at one time.
I personally like having the option to customize what ability I want to use in each ability slot, giving the player more control over their character (I want an ability from 3 different weapons, but I cant because they are linked to the weapons and I can only carry two.
Also the ability designs are all based around combat, Since they didn’t follow a generic layout, we can only have a set amount of abilities and there’s no room for things likes (Comparing MMos) “Float/levitate/Shapeshift form/Eagle eye/conjure food/water/Class specific buffs”
The small things that add depth to a game.
lol, somebody played a mage in WoW
Hmm well I play an engineer and an ele so I have no idea what you are talking about not many classes can swap weapons as you think. And each difference provides its own playstyle and options.
You can buy Karma Armor from the temples for 42k Karma each and toss them in the forge..
Used to be able to salvage them for the runes and ecto’s but NOT anymore!
If what Ryuujin had posted is true, wouldn’t this be considered and exploit?
The armor that VidGhost and Ryuujin are talking about are two different things. WvW karma armor and temple karma armor are apparently treated differently. If it was considered an exploit then Anet would have fixed them all at the same time IMO.
Unless its something they just overlooked. I’ve seen it done before in other games. I’d just hate to be banned for doing this if it was considered exploitive.
It’d be nice to get an offical answer on that and the rest of this thread, but you know how that goes.
I guess since Ive seen it suggested in numerous threads that if Anet had a problem with it they would have said something by now. Maybe they think that ~165k karma to a cpl gold is a reasonable trade lol. The temple vendors aren’t all the time either. Just a guess since ya…official response, lol as if that will happen.
Let’s see what the average will be
Statistically inaccurate
Surveying forums leads to massive biases including Sample Bias and Response Bias. In this case there are at least 3 other biases not being accounted for off the top of my head.
That is what is known as a ‘Microsoft answer’ Technically correct but utterly useless. Unless YOU are going to post statistically accurate numbers I dont even know why you bothered making a post other than to just poke fun at someone.
arenanet doesnt control the market prices, the playerbase does. So its not aNet’s fault if the player base makes something a loss to do
They DO control the prices, at least indirectly. Especially in the case of the t6 dust. They got hit twice. Once with the changes to the risen loot tables and a second time with the changes to the moldy bags.
Yes so they do ‘indirectly’ control them but that doesn’t apply to what I said. Anet may have changed drop rates but the prices are still determined by the players listing stuff on the TP. If Anet actually had that much control over those prices than you would have thought that the value would have gone up if they became harder to obtain. which would have meant that upconverting could have been more profitable. But that didnt happen because of the players using the TP.
Its very similar (in an incredibly simplified way) to the way commodities work on the stock exchange.
You can buy Karma Armor from the temples for 42k Karma each and toss them in the forge..
Used to be able to salvage them for the runes and ecto’s but NOT anymore!
If what Ryuujin had posted is true, wouldn’t this be considered and exploit?
The armor that VidGhost and Ryuujin are talking about are two different things. WvW karma armor and temple karma armor are apparently treated differently. If it was considered an exploit then Anet would have fixed them all at the same time IMO.
Logically:
If you have a given % chance of getting a precurser from 4 random exotics. For arguments sake lets call it 1%. Then that chance doesn’t change regardless of which 4 exotics you use. The difference is that when putting in 4 exotics of a specific weapon type, IF you get a precursor its ‘guaranteed’ to be the same type of the ones you put in. So if you are trying to get ‘The Hunter’ for example you are more likely to get it by dumping 4 exotic rifles into MF than you are by throwing in 4 random exotics. If you just want ANY precursor with the assumption that you can just sell it and buy the one you want. Then using 4 of the cheapest exotics you can get is your best bet as far as cost is concerned(using exotics, not in general). This same logic applies to using rares. From a cost perspective, if you just want ANY precursor, you are better off from a cost perspective to throw in 4 random rares with the hopes that in the ~20% chance that it returns an exotic that you actually get a precursor.
There has been a vague hint by Anet that there may be some sort of ‘preference’ in the RNG if you use certain specific items when trying to get a precursor. Just search back through the many precursor threads for their response if curious but since that is just something that Anet said rather than ‘showed’ you can take that how you want. But from a theorycraft standpoint I think we have beaten this horse pretty well.
Based on this, if I was trying to get a precursor from the MF. I would compare the avg costs of rares of a given type to the cost of the respective precursor and if possible try to use 4 of the same type of weapon for the precursor of the highest value. That way if and when I get one I can sell it, buy the one I actually ‘need’ and hopefully make back some of what was spent. If the cost difference in types of rare weapons was more significant (like 10s per weapon or more) than I would consider going the random route. But keep in mind some precursors aren’t worth jack so it is still a gamble.
In addition to this I would also keep in mind that assuming a 20% chance of getting an exo from 4 rares, that would mean that in theory you get 6 tries for the price of 5 if you dump the rare results back into the MF and just sell the exo. You may also want to consider the value of the exo itself and perhaps just keep the exo results and try throwing 4 of those into the MF as well. Though you would be looking at a 100% money sink banking on the fact you get a valuable precursor for less than their current market price. Which is where hard data would be interesting to see.
If I had a lot of money to burn then I would consider doing this purely for the knowledge and data I’d be able to pass on to others, lol. But who has that kind of money to really burn and the dedication to record every expenditure at the same time?
arenanet doesnt control the market prices, the playerbase does. So its not aNet’s fault if the player base makes something a loss to do
lets look at this is a way where merchanters did not mess up the trade post, lets say on the 28th of April.
at that time the rare veggie pizza costs 5s00c BUT it lasts only half as long as a Bowl of Garlic Kale Sautee, so to even that out, it will take 10s00c to get a full hour of the same stats.
now lets take a look at the prices for the ingredients on the 28th of April
head of garlic: 50c
since you need 20 of those, that is 50c x 20 = 10s00c …well unless the other ingredients cost less then zero this recipe is never going to get used for nothing.
more math:
1g = 20 x rare veggie pizza = 10 hours of 40%condition duration and 70 condition damage
1g = 3 x bowl of garlic kale sautee = 3 hours of 40%condition duration and 70 condition damagelet me just make like an angry video game nerd and say: WHAT WHERE THEY THINKING
solutions: divide the amount of garlic and kale required by 10.
Looking at Rare Veggie Pizza in GW2DB.com, the cost to CREATE it is over 70s. While people are selling it for very little, that’s a major hole (unless they made a lot from leveling up cooking) considering how much some of the ingredients costs.
Rare Veggie Pizza is also something like a 5th generation pizza. (Cheese->Mushroom->Fancy->Super->Rare Veggie IIRC)
While I’d love a reduction in the ingredients for Garlic Kale Saute here, I don’t see them giving us a 90% reduction – maybe 25%?
Did you take into account that every time after Cheese Pizza, the other pizzas leading up to the Rare Veggie are doubled? So unless my quick calculations are off, for every 1 Cheese Pizza you end up with 8 Rare Veggie Pizzas.
I believe that’s correct but each iteration requires an addition of other ingredients there isn’t a direct result of 8 rare veggies in the end. ie the cheese pizza isnt the deciding factor in the end imo