Guild Wars 2

SkylightMoon.1980:

The trait is in pretty much every balanced sPvP, roaming, and WvW build that you can think of. It significantly improves adrenaline generation and helps to counter condi’s so well, especially if you use a sword/longbow/hammer. The problem is that this trait is a master trait and its already better than most of the grandmaster traits that warrior’s have.

My suggestion is to make it a Grandmaster trait in Defense. Defense has never had any good grandmaster traits and perhaps you could make defy pain a master trait.

Go play a warr vs heavy condi spamming classes without using cleansin ire,come back here when youre done and tell me how much fun youve had.

Aza.2105:

TheFamster.7806:

So on my Zeal trait line I don’t/never use

Shattered Aegis (V), Revenge of the Fallen (IV), Binding Jeopardy (I), External Spirit (X), Scepter Power (IX), Wrathful Spirits (XI), Kindled Zeal (XII), Amplified Wrath (XIII)

On my Radiance line I don’t/never use

Healer’s Retribution (I), Shimmering Defense (III), Inner Fire (IV), Searing Flames (V),
Radiant Fire (VII), A fire Inside (VIII), Radiant Retaliation (XIII)

On my Valor Line I don’t/never use

Strength of the Fallen (III), Defender’s Flame (II), Honorable Shield (IX), Communal Defenses (XIII)

On my Honor line I don’t/never use

Wrathful Spirit (I), Protective Reviver (IV), Battle Presence (XII)

On my Virtues Line I don’t/never use

Permeating Wrath (XI), Purity of Body (XIII), Retaliatory Subconscious (IV)

A lot of Zeal/Radiance traits aren’t being used in any aspects (Pve, PvP, WvW) and in order to use few good traits Guardians lose too many useful utilities. I hope on the next upcoming guardian discussion we get some revamped traits and actually useful grandmaster traits (old/new) alike.

Most of those traits don’t need a revamp. Its not Anets fault that most of the guardian community is hog tied to certain ideas pertaining to the class and refuse to let them go to explore other things.

The Guardian community have tried different builds and different traits all the time and some of these are just downright useless. It IS ArenaNet’s fault for making useless traits that no one uses and that they don’t fix.

Living in a ’’lala’’ world and believe that there is so, so, so much to explore about our traits is even worse, because there aren’t any. We have found every build that’s available and actually works for us.

Cleansing Ire is not OP….without it warrior would just be absolutely terrible versus conditions. The only problem I see with it is really more tied to Longbow because you can get the condition clearing benefit without even having to directly hit your target. Take a warrior in sPvP without a longbow and suddenly he becomes a lot more balanced. I’m not saying that longbow needs to be changed because I think the current ease and abundance that conditions can be applied almost necessitates the longbow/CI mechanic. However, before nerfing things like CI or eviscerate I’d take a closer look at Longbow and lack of Asura visual animations.

Its not OP in the least. Its useful as hell in PVE. PVP and WvW not so much. I’m constantly blind from the moment i log in to the moment i log out and even if i use the bows F1 skill, Shrug It Off, and/or Shake It Off I’m immediately blinded again. So, maybe I’m doing something wrong but I don’t see it as OP. If anyone has any suggestions as to how I can make Cleansing Ire OP then please let me know:D

Thaelias.7432:

It’s the nature of conditions. They ignore all armor effects and although there is condi removal by design it must be insufficient or conditions would be useless. The issue seems to stem from the fact that once condi removal is on CD the condis just overwhelm. The fact that warrior builds so strongly focus on longbow+cleansing ire is a testament to the condi issue.

Also the fact that Warriors were buffed to deal with conditions better further points out both their weakness against them and also the strong place conditions hold in PvP right now.

EvilSardine.9635:

LOL.

How about conditions are OP? I’d like to see you as a warrior duel a good condi engineer, thief, necro, or healing apothecary ranger. You will not beat them. Ever. Doesn’t matter if you run zerker stance, stamina signet, shake it off, cleansing ire, and minus condi duration foods.

If you have ever beaten these in a duel it’s because they were bad players. An equally skilled player using any of the condi classes above will always beat a warrior. Every single time.

Sadly this is true.
Before people start suggesting changing a class’ condition management skills these things need to be addressed.

It’s the nature of conditions. They ignore all armor effects and although there is condi removal by design it must be insufficient or conditions would be useless. The issue seems to stem from the fact that once condi removal is on CD the condis just overwhelm. The fact that warrior builds so strongly focus on longbow+cleansing ire is a testament to the condi issue.

LOL.

How about conditions are OP? I’d like to see you as a warrior duel a good condi engineer, thief, necro, or healing apothecary ranger. You will not beat them. Ever. Doesn’t matter if you run zerker stance, stamina signet, shake it off, cleansing ire, and minus condi duration foods.

If you have ever beaten these in a duel it’s because they were bad players. An equally skilled player using any of the condi classes above will always beat a warrior. Every single time.

no moving CI to grandmaster is a bad idea, in this meta will mean that every warrior build will put 6 in defense as basic before looking to any other tree line.

a t s e.9614:

Cleansing ire not OP, berserk stance is OP.

hey hey , how about Conditions are OP ?!

when ANet addresses conditions mess then and only then we can talk about Cleansing ire and zerk stance.

Maybe he meant 11 years not months.

PPT would be interesting if it wasn’t a totally broken mechanic. Right now it is only a measure of coverage.

Figures that if they didn’t fix it in years they aren’t gonna fix it now.

I think that not only Lion’s arch needs to be a server bound map , I think this needs to be done for all ‘city maps’ (divinity’s reach, Hoelbrak, …). Some guilds like to gather in such maps because sometimes Lion’s Arch is full.

Fact is we all have gotten allot for the Server communities and the’re a bit like Super Guilds for some of us and very important for the WvW players and organisation.
There have been indications that we might get Guild Halls at some point (I wish!!) but the servers need .. really need a home if we are to keep the great community spirit for more than just the WvW’ers

Just choose Vabbi. It it the best server.

DeadlySynz.3471:

Easy way to go about this, what is exactly is PPT based on? What is the biggest factor in it’s total? If you’ve come to the conclusion that it’s coverage & population, so PPT is based on population and coverage, and the current system of population and coverage is imbalanced and/or broken..

Then PPT is in fact broken, this isn’t debatable. It is fixable however. This isn’t an opinion but complete fact, and an unfortunate reality.

If PPT wasn’t based on population and coverage but more so decided by skill, then you can easily argue that PPT isn’t broken because it’s soley based on what players can do either as individuals or a group.

As I’ve posted in several other threads (because I’m a sado-masochist who just LOVES having suggestions fall on the deaf ears of the devs), here are my suggestions for making PPT more about skill than coverage and numbers:

Kraag Deadsoul.2789:

1) Players in combat mode may not resurrect defeated allies.

2) The gates of towers, keeps, and Stonemist Castle upgraded to the “Fortify” state (T3) can not be damaged by player skills. Only siege weapons can deal damage to these gates.

3) World Score points are awarded to the server which succeeds in capturing an actively defended objective. Actively defended is defined as at least one player who belongs to the world which owns the objective having been present within the objective’s sphere of influence (the “Defend the X” event radius) at any point during the current siege; they do not have to be present at the moment of capture. Each objective awards a base amount of World Score points on capture plus additional World Score points for each completed upgrade built at the objective.

4) No World Score points are awarded to a server for capturing undefended objectives (PvDoor will award nothing).

5) No personal rewards (loot, experience, karma, etc.) are given to players for capturing undefended objectives. The current rewards for capturing supply camps, towers, keeps, and Stonemist Castle will only be given out when capturing an actively defended objective (per the definition given in #3). To give even greater incentive for attacking actively defended fortifications, perhaps scale up the rewards based on the number of upgrades built at the objective.

6) The rewards for defeating real players are substantially increased over their current level.

7) World Score points are awarded for each player defeated in combat by default rather than being an award associated with the Bloodlust Buff. Maybe even give a bonus for stomps; sending a player to defeat without stomping awards 1 World Score point, stomping awards 2 World Score points.

8) Supply camps, towers, keeps, and Stonemist Castle no longer earn World Score points for the owning server unless upgrades are built there. The amount of World Score points earned every 15 minutes (PPT) will scale with the number of upgrades; the more upgrades built, the more PPT an objective earns.

9) For each “Defend the X” event completed at an actively defended supply camp, tower, keep, or Stonemist Castle, the owning server earns World Score points. In recognition of the fact that the defenders have the advantage, the World Score points awarded will be a fraction of what the attacker would earn on capturing the objective; a 10-to-1 ratio is suggested as a starting point.

For example, if capturing a keep with some upgrades would award 50 World Score points to the attackers, the defenders will earn 5 World Score points for each “Defend the X” event successfully concluded at the keep. This only applies while there are players belonging to the world which owns the keep actively defending it; the owning world earns nothing if there are no players defending the keep during any 3 minute “Defend the X” event.

The above shifts WvW from passive rewards (earning PPT by sitting on empty, unupgraded objectives while PvDooring) to active rewards for engaging in conflict with real players and/or making investments in and defending one’s holdings while also addressing the issues of karma training and zerging.

It also recognizes the efforts of defenders and open-field PvP-ers by giving them the means to directly contribute to their server’s World Score (sorry builders, escorters, and scouts; I’m still thinking of ways to have your efforts recognized, as well).

A poster in one of those threads critiqued point #5 as being punitive to soloists and small roaming parties. I agreed and wrote a revision which scales rewards based on the number of players present when capturing an objective (the intent being to reward skill and effort rather than numbers).

Go full support with lots of dodges. -50% in stealth. Shortbow blasts when you call water on yourself. Dont shadowstep since your group will not keep up. Dagger storm elite to give yourself stability.

It can work. Be better in a hit squad than a zerg squad tho.#

Sigil of Rage is highly underrated since the general revamped Sigil changes earlier this year (it had a reduction to 30s cooldown AND 50% chance to proc on crit for a 3s Quickness buff). Any ability that routinely hits more than one target (cleaves) or AoEs well has a chance to proc the effect so it happens nearly always and immediately. The Quickness effect is immediate for all future channeling of the ability.

This means that for Greatsword which is highly AoE and has several attacks, the Sigil of Rage proc is extremely likely even with a low critical chance. The burst output is simply dramatic.

Sigil of Rage is great for a lot of weapons (i.e. even Staff because of ‘1’ and ‘3’).

TL;DR Any weapon with Cleave or lots of AoE/pierce should use Sigil of Rage. That and they are super cheap on the Auction House.

Darfod.9375:

The PvE forums can be found by going up a couple of menus in your browser

Let’s lighten things up here.

PvPers don’t play GW2 any more.
Only PvE tower farmers stay up in WvWvW.
sPvP is a kind of F2P shooter FPS.

GW2 has the best combat system. Period.
GW2 has the best graphics. Period.
GW2 has a reasonable PvE system. Period.

GW2 has the worst PvP system. Period.

1) sPvP will be better if GW2 just follow the scheme of WoW BG and arenas. PvPers like.

2) WvWvW will be better if GW2 just follow the endgame scheme of ArcheAge. PvPers like.

It’s that simple.
It is just a marketing thing.
For now, ArenaNet has low cost and high income.
Nothing will change.
But hope dies later.

Ok – so far I’ve been called stupid and pedantic.. normally at this point I give up the argument but, in this instance, I’ll give it one more try.

My original post (which you quote) is as follows:

I find it interesting that the OP asks who are the best WvW guilds in EU and everyone answers with who they think are the best GvG guilds.

What in that sentence indicates that I am saying that the OP didn’t want an answer that included GvG? The point I was trying to make was that no-one, at the time I posted, had mentioned guilds that were not interested in GvG as a game mode. I paid tribute to a guild on my server that was a dedicated WvW guild as opposed to a hardcore GvG guild.

What followed on from that was a post by warriorjrd ranting on about PPT. I posted a response to that which you then picked on by demeaning my reading skills.

And in answer to the specific question you asked:

Are you saying that what the OP wrote in his post is completely irrelevant, and the only thing that matters is the title?

No! I was saying that my post stating that PPT orientated WvW guilds is relevant. And that if the OP Had intended that people only answer with GvG guilds, then that should be reflected in the title.

@Ragnar.. I’ve kept my response as civil as I possibly can. I’d appreciated if you would respond in an equally civil manner.

It’s more individual commanders and players that contribute to PPT, but the objective game? It does take time and effort to upgrade a keep (or even a tower), scout and siege it up to at least T2 or even reset one, especially if you set that goal for your raid.

I’d like to point out that being good at GvG does not necessarily translate to being good at WvW. Some of the elements you need to take into account in WvW but have nothing whatsoever to do with GvG include, but are not limited to:

- how to best exploit numerical superiority
- how to best cope with numerical inferiority
- how to best employ your forces of varying quality
- how to best exploit terrain
- how to take an enemy by surprise / how to react to being surprised
- how to attack a position
- how to defend a position
- how to gather intelligence
- best use of siege weapons
- management of force distribution on the map
- supply management
- choice of attack direction for better map control

Or at least, these would all be a factor… if WvW didn’t mostly devolve in “whoever brings the biggest zerg wins”.

Personally I prefer WvW to GvG due to its much larger potential for tactical and strategical variations. It’s quite unlucky we almost never get to see that potential realized.

warriorjrd.8695:

Bloodwort MacFangho.4638:

I find it interesting that the OP asks who are the best WvW guilds in EU and everyone answers with who they think are the best GvG guilds.

So, in answer to the OP’s specific WvW query, I’d like to put forward:
Badger Spirits [BS] – NA/International on Desolation .. these guys take tactical WvW to the next level.

Right, I forget about PPT heroes. I guess we have to make another list at who’s the best at nightcapping, golem rushing, arrowcart building, and all around siege wars, to determine who is the best “WvW” guild. Unless I’m very much mistaken PPT is a pointless mechanic in which very few people still play purely for that reason, which is, I assume, why people mention the best fighting guilds.

And I think you forget that GvG is NOT WvWvW! It’s a mode of gaming that was formulated by players in WvW because they wanted more freedom in deciding the classes and builds than they were allows in sPvP.

Any guilds who specifically wanted to have a Guild vs Guild match can easily get a custom arena set up and challenge any guild no matter what server they are on. They don’t because they all feel constrained by the rules of the PvP mode. Hence, GvG in WvW.

Again .. the OP specifically said WvW guilds. WvW is about PPT. If the OP meant GvG, then perhaps he should edit the title to specifically say GvG.

Cant really comment about gvg guilds, I don’t really enjoy playing in such large groups and most of them are unimpressive when fighting in smaller groups.

as for good small scale guilds:
rookie crew from kodash
virtual masters from riverside
inglorious pasta and crow from gandara
evo and escg from augury

I might be forgetting some, but it’s not like there’s alot of them around. crow is the only english speaking one out of those I think.

warriorjrd.8695:

Reborn.2934:

warriorjrd.8695:

Reborn.2934:

warriorjrd.8695:

Bloodwort MacFangho.4638:

I find it interesting that the OP asks who are the best WvW guilds in EU and everyone answers with who they think are the best GvG guilds.

So, in answer to the OP’s specific WvW query, I’d like to put forward:
Badger Spirits [BS] – NA/International on Desolation .. these guys take tactical WvW to the next level.

Right, I forget about PPT heroes. I guess we have to make another list at who’s the best at nightcapping, golem rushing, arrowcart building, and all around siege wars, to determine who is the best “WvW” guild. Unless I’m very much mistaken PPT is a pointless mechanic in which very few people still play purely for that reason, which is, I assume, why people mention the best fighting guilds.

in WvW , there are only PPT heroes and nothing else .

official leaderboards link has server WvW points and only the gvg scene is in a unofficial state , now . if they add gvg game mode in WvW with points from fights then the best in fights will have a meaning for other people in the game and for their server. until then , there are only PPT heroes

I love it when people try and ignore GvG like it’s not there simply because it’s “unofficial”. Can’t come up with a solid argument against GvG, just say it’s unofficial and it’s done! GvG may be dying now, but PPT died long ago. Those who still play for PPT are either on T1 servers or are too new to wvw to know it’s the most flawed mechanic in the game. The vast majority will never accept PPT as a viable game mode until population imbalances are addressed, which likely won’t ever happen,

official there are only these leaderboards : https://leaderboards.guildwars2.com/en/eu/wvw

i don’t see any guild there ….. only PPT heroes ….

whatever is happening in gvg scene , there is nothing officially written anywhere . we have 3 leaderboards . one for players achives , spvp rank and server ranks where only 24/7 coverage and points matters .

and also the vast majority as it is now the gvg scene don’t know anything about the gvg guilds …. these are the facts

So i assume what you’re trying to say, is because GvG is unofficial it doesn’t exist right? The majority of wvw focused guilds on EU don’t exist? Here have some more “Facts”. A GvG between two top guilds, one from NA and one from EU, got just as much views as Anet’s website advertised PvE dungeon run tournament. An unsupported, unadvertised GvG between two guilds got as many if not more views than a PvE tournament, PvE being the most popular game mode of the three. I don’t care how many leaderboards you show me, or point out how unofficial it is, saying GvG doesn’t exist because it’s unsupported by Anet is an incredibly foolish thing to say, you couldn’t be more wrong if you tried really.

Also this “unofficial” and “unsupported” game mode ended up getting it’s own proper area to GvG in after Anet simply couldn’t turn a blind eye anymore. Also mentioning the PvE dungeon tournament, there is also no leaderboard for the fastest dungeon runs, but nobody says that doesn’t exist as a result. So please, take your leaderboards else where, as they are pointless and really don’t support your already very weak argument.

more or less we know the good gvg guilds
but thing this for a bit..
lets say you dont ever see or play the game and you hea the title..Guild Wars 2
what is the first that comes in your mind?Guild v Guild ofc..so you log in to the forum and you r looking to see the top guilds ther scores etc,,,and opps..you dont find anything

so you need to watch tons of videos on youtube read lot of outiside game forums so you have some idea of what guild is the best…
but then again even with that way you r not 100$% of the top 3 guilds cose you dont have a point system inside the game
you dont have gvg tournaments
you dont have any kind of official gvg

the only you got is players that try to fix that with diferend sites that have the gvg scores

but then again how you deside what guild is the best betwin us and eu?
how you deside what guild is the best even on the same server?

also dont try to compere the fastest run in dungeons and the gvg…dungeons is just 5 ppl that take advanse of the instanse we all have see the fast runs on diferent instanses

gvg is 20+ players that trying to find the party / build / plan so the win..and also need alot of practise so those players learn to play toogether

just acept the fact that anet dont suport the name of her title…why?idk just ask them

(p.s gvg is part of the wvwvw…lots of time big guilds just clash on ther raids..those guilds have make and find all the builds that ppl use on the game..you like or not the wvwvw test builds and game…)

i agree, they should hire a DEDICATED wvw team