Guild Wars 2

deepwinter.9015:

21k hit from a single blow with minimal conditions vs. my highest 12k hit – the last tick of a Rapid Fire with 25 stacks of Vulnerability.

Actually that means all arrows together dealt 12k damage, not the last hit; many channeling abilities show you the added up damage from all skills, not each hit.

Durzlla.6295:

OP i’m sorry to say, but that’s entirely false, as much as i would love them to communicate to us and blah blah blah most players don’t read these forums, and every ranger i’ve talked to doesn’t even realize they’re “under powered” infact, the only people that think rangers are under powered are the ones who have only found bad rangers, or the ones that go to this forum (which if you haven’t noticed is about the same 5 people complaining about how we’re broken).

And as for your whole, “Oh waaaah they don’t cater to my every will this means they don’t care about me after i bought the game!” yeah, totally, that’s why they’ve had a patch every month, and it’s looking like it’ll stay that way, as well as making balance changes fairly regularly, i mean look at the whole OP backstab thing, that got changed pretty freaking fast, as well as a few other things.

Just because the prof YOU play solely isn’t getting very many changes going on with it doesn’t mean that they aren’t doing anything with the game, i personally don’t even see half of these problems this forum complains about, so i think this is just more over dramatization from this same forum area, surprise surprise…

Clearly a warrior in disguise.

slingblade.1437:

Synical.3108:

slingblade.1437:

but they as a company have a different perspective and have to do what they think is best for the business overall

Then why can’t they tell us anything at all about what their perspective is? The silence is deafening.

Because it’s a no-win proposition, IMO. No matter what they say, there will be complainers, and certain segments of their user base will feel alienated. How many other companies you do business with honestly explain all of their priorities to you? Do you really think you’d be happy with every company you do business with if they did explain their priorities every time you weren’t satisfied?

Generally speaking, the best public message for any business is that they want to fix all problems and always work make their product/service better for everyone.

I mean you are always going to have someone somewhere complaining. Yet if they told you that x changes were coming on the 30th of this month. I would be ok with that. Even if they weren’t exactly the changes I had hoped for. Yet as it stands now, we have no idea what their priorities are or when they are going to fix anything. We can’t even get them to admit the “animation fix” was a nerf.

John wants to claim that they only have 2 devs that do class balance and are hard pressed to find time to work in any of these supposed changes. At least that’s what they tell us and want us to believe. Yet 2 patches ago rangers were skipped and he said don’t worry rangers your patch is coming next. So we waited and the supposed “Ranger Patch” the rangers actually had the least amount of bullet points from any class. We had the least changed. No we didn’t get nerfed like some classes did but even so. Nothing was fixed not even our bugs. At the least some bugs should have been fixed.

At the current rate that they are pushing out content it is creating more bugs than the dev team can fix. It’s a never ending cycle they fix one thing but break 3 more because of all the new content.

Not to mention if the Devs say rangers are in rough shape then why wouldn’t they devote more time to the rangers than say warriors, Or mesmers? It just doesn’t make sense to me.

First off I would like to say I am a lvl 80 ranger and have played my ranger since day 1 of head start. 100% completion on him, halfway to the legendary bow Kudzu, 400 on 5 professions. He is my only lvl 80 and will always be my only lvl 80.

It is clear to me now after this last patch the way arenanet operates their game. They rely on the philosophy that once you bought the game, since they are no longer making any money from you, that they no longer care about you. It’s clear with their lack of bug-fixing and class balancing but with the extreme amount of new content that has been pushed out that they only care about trying to garner new players into this game. Not keeping old ones.

For this reason I am shelving my ranger, the ranger I bought gems with to support the company I had hopes for. This is an amazing game but with the current design philosophy that arenanet is taking it will be a short lived game with a few hardcore dedicated players, only playing the flavor of the month class.

To save this game, at this point, the first and foremost thing should be communication with your player base. Nothing would go as far as this to help alleviate the problems that are afflicting the community. Transparency and communication, which currently arenanet offers neither.

This is not a rant or bashing thread I just wanted to share my thoughts on the matter with fellow rangers. So if your a mod reading this don’t get mad its a discussion.

- Fired the 2 designers working on professions. Hired a full team with industry experience dedicated solely to profession balance.

That’s the only one I want at this point.

1: Ranger now take periodic damage that increases the further away from a body of water the Ranger gets.
2: Rangers foot armor has been removed from the game, to make up for this flippers have been added.
3: Rangers Signet of the Hunt speed has been increased to 25% but only while swimming.
4: Long bow damage and speed has been increased while the Ranger is submerged in water, unfortunately this weapon cannot be used while submerged.
5: Backpacks have been replace by scuba tanks for the Ranger profession.
6: Ranger pets can now hit moving targets, unfortunately do to time constraints and lack of staffing we could only correct this issue for shark pets.
7: Sunken ships have been added to all zones so the Ranger class can feel as if it has a use.
8: Rangers have been given a new ability called “Surrender” this ability will allow Rangers to immediately lose to Warriors.
9: Rangers have been given a 2 minute air immunity buff upon entering any zone, this will allow the Ranger time to get to the nearest body of water before imploding.
10: Rangers will now only receive experience for objectives completed while submerged.

Its late I’m tired

This seems like a great place to please the ranger community; fixing the 1h sword would be really nice. Kinda was one of the things I expected would be addressed in this profession patch.

Maybe you can share your secret to using passive effects, Durzlla.

EDIT: This was the point of this thread. I didn’t comment on the items I didn’t try to understand. I asked questions of those who did understand to help fill out the “real mechanics”. And I already made an edit for the greatsword regarding my misunderstanding. This is a constructive thread. Another thread has already mentioned your surprising lack of a presence by name, Durzlla.

Loki.4871:

Dokuroizo.5348:

SO you really think, that the ranger, which class description says: “Unparalleled Archer” , is SUPPOSED to be weaker then the warrior, the average sword and board/hammer pound away dude.

The Warrior’s description states “Warriors are masters of weaponry”. Not “melee” weaponry but “weaponry”. As in “all weapons, including ranged ones”. You’re shoving previous mmorpg conventions onto the Warrior just as you are with the Ranger

In the first beta weekend, the Warrior could (often did) lose to the ranger; the Ranger would spec for damage, ignore the pet entirely, and win fights.

The class that is designed to win through being superior with weapons equipped, lost on their own home turf.
You may say rangers are supposed to be the best at ranged combat; I say, there’s better ways for that to be so than raw damage.

Unparalleled archers… I think this part isn’t sinking in for you. This means that in terms of archery, rangers are on top. No one is better. this INCLUDES WARRIORS.

i did actually tell the person i invited to the free trial not to buy the game after i saw the patch.

woke up early this morning excited to see the long awaited patch notes (I’m not in US)
and what I felt after reading it was a big disappointment + there’s a bonus of “ninja trap nerf”..
I didn’t even know what to say..

I decided not to make any post and decided to wait until I get back home after work to ‘cool’ my head a bit and see if at least the ninja nerf will get fixed

there’s a saying “fool me once, shame on you. fool me twice, shame on me”
the former was after the 40ms nerf, the later is today
I’m not even blaming anet anymore. if there’s anyone deserved to be blame, maybe it’s us for putting high expectation for them when they’re unable to deliver

after the 40ms nerf I’ve already re-rolled to guardian as I had a feeling the future was not looking good for ranger

but then came the promise last month that no changes done on ranger in order to do further test and significant changes will be made

Hope filled me up and I even decided not to gear up the guardian to full exotic (which was already 80 at the time) and just use up my spare time to level another thief alt (which is also already 80 now) in hope of the day of the supposed promise just to be crushed back again today

I’ve played both of my guardians and thiefs and I can say they are both far superior than ranger even when they’re not fully geared up

it’s a good thing to read that now the ninja nerf is fixed (is it really fixed?) otherwise the only thing ranger good at maybe only for ori farming (wait.. while we’re at it, maybe they’re not even the best at it !?!?)

anyway, as a personal ‘vendetta’ (just for myself and I urged everyone not to follow me), I will not spend any single cent to anet until the day ranger issues get fixed, eventhough after this patch I can say I’m done with my ranger and will not be playing it again other than for ori farming purpose

I don’t have confidence anymore to anet on ranger issues and the way I see it, with the amount of work and resources they have, it’s not going to happen in 1-4 months time (asuming they’re only doing ‘balance’ update once a month). I’d love them to prove me wrong on this though

I hope anet will really deliver their promise one day to the rangers, I really do. although most likely I will not be a ranger anymore at the time

Ranger was my ‘first love’ for gw2 back in BWE days out of the other classes
and as what happens all time with ‘first love’, you will eventually just get over it

thanks anet for the lesson you gave me today
and for my ex-fellow rangers, “life is not fair, get used to it”

Forzani.2584:

It’s like dejavu all over again. Anyone who has played this type of game has seen this scenario repeat itself over and over.

Patch is on the way. Fanbase makes post after post of what they think is going to be changed and improved. Hype overdrive.
Patch is installed …and everyone is upset, underwhelmed and threatening to quit.

/rinse
/repeat

But GW2…

Corpus.5347:

Guys, it is rare for a representative of the company to give us any kind of information about what may be coming up as far as changes, tweaks , buffs and nerfs. This is why. People set expectations way to high and begin frothing at the mouth (or I guess the fingers) when what comes to pass falls shy of those expectations.

After the full blown meltdown some people seem to have had, why would they ever want to slip us tidbits of info again? You were given some vague information and some hints of things to come and expanded on it significantly. This is why it is rare to see communication from community reps that give you any direct information. We have behaved ridiculously here. I will honestly be surprise if anyone tries to slip us anything other than ‘good things are coming EVENTUALLY’ based on the over the top reaction already exhibited here.

Irrelevant image:
http://i.imgur.com/PL5JV.jpg

He didn’t slip any tid bits of info. He basically said in response of weeks and thousands of posts we have a big update for you guys coming.

Its only logic that you think oh really finally our input has been heard and they are addressing issues with our class…..

Instead we get a whole bunch of pretty much useless underwater skill changes. And NONE of the changes we really needed….. oh right spirits have more hp now and can move if you trait into a worthless tree 30 points…. news flash they still get one shot lol…

They didn’t address any real issues that make this class bad.

-pets cant move and attack
-arrows can be dodged
- weapon damage in general is just horrible for ranged

What happened to the bit about changing the pacing and feel of some weapons? Oh right they made changes to underwater weapon skills….. /facepalm

I just read the patch notes for todays update, and while I don’t think throwing a tantrum or making rage quit threats like many people are doing is appropriate (or likely to convince arenanet to care), I do want to say that I was dissapointed with the ranger update.

The mission statement for Guild Wars 2 states that the goal is to make the game fun. Playing a ranger isn’t fun. It is annoying, frustrating, and aggravating. I made a warrior about a week ago, and playing a warrior IS fun. Do I love everything about it and have absolutely no complaints? No. Of course there are things I would change if arenanet offered to change things to just suit me. Lol. But nothing about playing a warrior annoys me to the point where I feel the need to come to this forum and make a post about it. I’m too busy playing the game. Because its actually fun to play as a warrior.

It is not just the lack of changes, but the lack of response or acknowledgement that dissapoints me. If anet has no intentions of fixing the problems, or if you think our complaints have no merit, just say so. I don’t mind being told no. It is your game, your rules. I get that. But I don’t particularly appreciate being ignored. Particularly when it seems as though the class I LOVED at game release was changed not because it was overpowered or flawed, but because hackers and goldfarm crooks showed up to the party. Those people will find ways around the changes to rangers. It won’t hurt their “gaming experience.” But the gaming experience for legitimate players who want to play rangers
has basically been made completely unenjoyable.

I have an urge to whine “that’s not fair!”, like a 3 year old about it, but I will refrain.

It wouldn’t fix anything. C’est la vie I guess. Life isn’t fair. But I am dissapointed.

I am not going to rage quit. I am not gonna pretend a tantrum will affect anything. But I am dissapointed. I have no choice but to move on, I guess, and accept that its time to forget about my ranger. I do like the warrior, so I guess that I will just have to cross my fingers and hope a legion of warrior bots doesnt descend on Tyria to spoil my fun.

Jon directly states that fixing spirits, shouts and weapons are one of their main priorities.

Seems like a lot of us are forgetting about that, not to sound pointed. Don’t act like they won’t do anything— They will— Just hope that they do it right.

As for me, I just want a smarter Krytan Drakehound. I want him to remember his name, his childhood, I want him to have an education and several critically acclaimed novels and scientific journals, I want him to own a manor in northern Pennsylvania, to own businesses and a banking Empire. I want my Drakehound to be the dog that everybody knows.

…And I want him to do his intimidating growl thing when I tell him to. Five seconds after I order you to do it is not acceptable. Yes, you’re in the middle of your ‘1’ attack, but that’s instant too. Cutting it off for your special ability would be better for the both of us.

Generally putting in a lot of effort for sub-par outcomes.

garethh.3518:

deepwinter.9015:

After reading that line in the Reddit thread, I felt like someone kicked me swiftly between the legs.

I’ve always known Ranger’s were recognized as the weakest profession, but “to see it in lights” like this really hurts. I play as a kitten good Ranger, but I also realize I’m working ten times harder than every other class to be remotely competitive/threatening. It helps when I switch to my alts and roflstomp people without so much as twitching my little finger, but I love my Ranger and want to stick with the class!

That’s what happens when you don’t play the ‘in’ specs.
Ranger has REALLY good ones atm, but they are few, yet even when I half-as PvP with those I still tend to win the majority of deuls.

Oh and greatsword is never a good idea.
From a competitive standpoint.
Traps and/or axe/dagger tend to work far better and are generally far more useful (even though that doesn’t say much)

Lol no offense but duels dont really mean much, I win alot of mine also but the game isnt balanced around duels, hell I could go on guardian and win 95% of duels with 1 build but not be viable for tpvp because its too squishy. Ranger has ummm no real viable builds atm. Basically anything you think is viable someone else can do better.

YAY i can’t wait.. All my friends told me to roll another class so I can help more in SPvP after patch! I can’t wait to see the changes! You can spoil it for me

Philfy.8925:

Create a healing spring on death.

Where is the advantage of doing this?

The people trying to res you get Regen and a free water field? idk.

They’re Ranger traits, don’t question them or your head will hurt.

Im on SoS and always been into RP in mmos, not really interested in joining another guild as Im actively in MERC for WvW

Im usually hanging around the grove wearing my Tier3 medium cultural armor trying to spark conversations with people, but yeah as Abyssical said RP is very hard to find.

So… you want a ~30% uptime, +50% movespeed buff. And in the downtime, it’s at 25-33% (nearly perma-swiftness). And you don’t see how that’s a bit crazily overpowered?

coughnotdissimilartoallnorncough

Fate.8673:

-Mobility
This is what Warriors DON"T have. You dodge their bulls charge or stun break it? What do they do. They cry. They get kited. By YOU.

As a warrior, I gave a hearty bellowing laugh. It is just completely untrue.

We got tons of CC removal when you place measly cripples/chills/immobilization on us. Our most popular Healing shout build will clean off any CC on us. That is also mobility. A thief that has 100% more movement speed cannot escape when immobilized.

Savage Leap, Earthshakers are leaps. With Savage Leap + Hamstring + Flurry I can make you Rangers panic for your life. Earthshaker is a leap as well.

Signet of Rage gives us 30 second of swiftness in a 60 second cooldown, when you don’t add any points to Tactics. Add Warhorn and you get perma-swiftness warrior. The 5 skill on warrior gives us vigor and gives you weakness. This gives us more dodge per minute and gives you less dodge per minute.

Nels the Cornwhisperer.8025:

In PvP, I win, and score highest or second highest most of the time.

If anyone thinks rangers are bad, they’re just not good at it, and should probably find a profession/build more suited to their playstyle.

Would you care to elaborate some details on how you’re accomplishing these amazing feats that hardly anyone else is able to recreate? Let’s see some builds: gear, traits, pets. Better, a video of you dominating.

When you say “PvP” do you mean owning under-geared people in WvW, or tPVP against organized groups, or sPVP randoms?

Anyone can say that ranger is good. Here, watch: “I play a ranger and I own people left and right. You guys are all just bad.”

See that? Does it make it true? No. The problems with the ranger class are well documented, and don’t need any more proving. You and people like you are claiming something completely opposite from the documented issues. The burden of proof lies with you, not with the people referencing the factual information.

Back up your statement with something. Anything. Because if everyone is saying rangers are bad except a very few people, then those very few people need to release their secret ninja training techniques to the rest of us so we can go back to playing the class to it’s fullest. Otherwise you’re just going to get dismissed as one more person who thinks that slapping down low level people in WvW while wearing full exotics makes their class good.

Basically what it comes down to, is that anything the Ranger can do, the other professions can do better.

The shortbow nerf was totally uncalled for and was the final nail in the coffin for me. I’ve not bothered with GW2 since then.

A few fixes are definitely needed, mostly damage output for the bows and flight time for the arrows.

Crossfire should be unblockable from the side/rear and always cause bleeding, regardless of the angle.
Poison arrow should be a single arrow, that pierces and leaves a poison field behind whenever it hits something.

Longbow in general needs a speed upgrade for its attack and should inflict a condition, maybe weakness, on every 3rd shot.
Barrage also needs a cooldown reduction.

Sword auto-attack needs to not root the ranger, as this makes it pretty useless, regardless of the inbuilt evades on the skills.

Greatsword has some reasonable attacks, but has only a single leap finisher iirc and poor damage overall.

The ranger also needs an overall damage buff, to every single skill to bring them into line with the other profs.

Ranger spirits need reworking entirely, as do a whole bunch of the other ranger skills, traps are “okay” but mostly that’s only because the other ranger skills are so bad.

The other major problem rangers face, is a lack of fields and blast/leap finishers that they can use on a regular basis. This is the major reason they’re not as wanted for dungeons as other profs. The only decent field they bring is a water field from healing spring, which sadly, Elementalist are better off bringing, because their other skills are more useful.

Before people start on “Rangers can do dungeons”, of course they can, it’s just that a Ranger is less efficient than every other prof when doing so. I feel like dead weight when I do them, since my dps isn’t as good as the other profs, but I also don’t bring anything unique to the dungeon that makes up for that.

I’m sorry.
I can give you a game example. If I remove all utility skills, reset all traits and put my pet in passive, I can safely go kill mobs in Orr. I can kill someone one by one, or even 1 by 2 in pvp. My pet is broken and does not work well, and they are slowly. My utility skills are almost useless in its majority. My weapon is weak. But I can live with that!

So … Does the fact that I can live with it, do my pet right, my weapons strong, and my abilities useful?
No.
If I come to the forum and create a topic on “Hey, yesterday I killed 3 people with no skills, traits and pet. Ranger’s okay. You just do not know how to play!” – ranger get better? All of that is this thread – pure bragging and bullying.
I personally consider myself awesome player. I can really do this what is written. But I understand that my pet is broken, skills badly balanced, some of them are only needed for the equation number of other classes, my damage weak because of the pet, etc. I can live with that. But I do not want. I want it to be fixed. Most of people share the same desire. If you yourself admitted that the pet needs to be fixed, the debate is about nothing, only about who can play cooler. In the spirit of “look! I ride a bicycle with no hands”.

Fate.8673:

Pray your teammates will do something? Are we talking tPvP here? If your teammates don’t take advantage of AoE lockdown that YOU provide, is that the fault of the ranger class or the fault of your team?

What does the guardian have compared to us in AoE LOCKDOWN, not AoE pushback.

My pet never dies in tPvP. Swap is always up before it dies from AoE. If it is being focused then thats GOOD for me as well. Your post is full of genealizations such as “moderately low damage.” and exaggeration like “pet hits once then dies”

Sure maybe don’t take all 3. Entangle+ Frost trap? Throw some axes watch them bounce? Throw in some AoE Fear/Immobilize? Time and again this is effective in Team vs. Team combat over a major point.

What I find the most funny is how guardians deal “considerable” damage while we deal “moderately low” damage, when I’ve found the reverse is true of our respective support specs.

There’s a lot of negative bias and perception in your post, and “Grass is greener” syndrome. And hell, maybe I’m blinded by my own positive thinking? Who knows.

I just know I’m definitely having fun with my class and not abandoning it.

You can’t call soft cc “lockdown”, it just doesn’t work that way. They can evade or use condition removal if they feel like they need to. Also, the only ranged aoe hard cc we have is Muddy Terrain and Spike Trap (if traited). I never once stated I dislike playing as my ranger, you read my post with a predisposition of negativity.

You know, I would much rather see your build or builds. I’ve played hundreds of sPvP and tPvP matches on my ranger. So if you don’t mind, post it. And since I know you won’t, thanks for nothing pal. Next.