Guild Wars 2

This covers everything that I fear about the mega-server system and large organized guilds doing fights like this.

I too would like to request a guild instance system, or a simple spawn system as Agent suggests for guilds that will allow us to spawn bosses at least twice a day without to much grief in obtaining said spawn item/token etc.

These fights are the main reason I have been logging on Guildwars since September. If the new system hinders organization like this, I will most likely walk too.

Its a dangerous time to disrupt communities like this with other games about to hit the market that may take away our attention.

Well?

Is it?

Hellos, I have an idea/issue. Every time I buy a new finisher another comes out shortly after that I want and get as well. lol. Now that doesnt seem like a bad thing except that I now have to choose between a bunch of awesome finishers and that can become a task. Also incentive for getting a new one when you already have a cool one and you can only use one at a time?

So my idea was maybe instead of activating a finisher you can activate multiple finishers and they would cycle/randomize through the selected few each time you spike an opponent.

This I think would lead people to buy more finishers and there’s also a little surprise each time you spike someone, you never know which it will be ^^ What do you think?

munkiman.3068:

Wanze.8410:

munkiman.3068:

Fenrir.3609:

munkiman.3068:

2 years is far too long for what i would consider an above average player.

It took me less than two months of pve to earn the gold to buy Dusk and make Twilight and I know plenty of players with multiple legendaries bought via gold derived from pve.

Perhaps if your wife had take the time to learn to maximise her gold gain from pve (there are guides on this forum and all over the web as to how to do that) then she would have made several legendaries in that two year time span.

And yet again, people keep calling this your “average” player… It’s clearly not.

This topic is still about the rights and wrongs about making lots of profit on the TP.
People complained that those people can buy luxury items at a faster pace.

In this example, people who dont make lots of gold are referred to as “average”.
Fenrir just said that its possible for players to get legendaries without playing the tp.
Of course, in most cases the TP will be utilized to buy items that you cant be bothered farming, but we are not discussing the utility of it.

The argument is the the average player has control over the costs of “luxury goods”, that they dictate the market, which is false, even based on the basic data we do have. The average player is not getting precursors as drops and selling them at high prices (most likely more are selling to the lower buy order, if anything). Nor is your average player buying them up. I’m saying your average player is playing the game and is indeed being impacted by not only high end items, but all items in the economy as it inflates. That and the TP “problems” have a lot to do with it. JS says no, but provides no data as to why that’s not the case. If TP barons can take advantage of the average player who’s not well informed, partially do to the interface of the TP, partially due to other game related factors like drop rates and earning potential outside the market and minimally due to just not being saavy, there is a problem.

You can see from the gem exchange that things could be improved, simply based on the fact that more gold is being pumped into the system then cash. If 500 TP Barons toss thousands of gold at gems, it does slowly move that market out of reach for the average player that is not spending cash. Which is not only bad for ANet, it’s bad for the players. I have no data to back up that’s any substantial thing that’s happening though, but if the wealthy top 1% TP Baron is tossing off the gem exchange, there is a problem.

Mostly, your average player, doesn’t max/min their earning potential, and most likely can’t even afford the listing fee for say Dusk at the high sell price (especially if your an average player is trying to make BiS gear), there is a problem.

Inflation really isn’t a problem, so much as wealth disparity is, it seems to me.

First of all, JS provided plenty of data here and there, maybe not enough for your satisfaction but he is simply not allowed to release data at will just to prove to you that your claims are false. He stated over and over again, that the data he has at his disposal, dont support your claim. Why dont you want to believe him? What incentive would he have to lie to you?

If the gem exchange is out of reach for casual players, its a very good thing for Anet because it forces them to buy more gems will real money, its their business model.
This divides the casual player into 2 groups, those that spend money on the game and those that dont. The cash spending casuals are their main source of income, while those that dont spend money, are just important to them because they warrant a better game environment for the cash players while popultating Tyria.

I would argue that even TP Barons that throw gold into the gem exchange are good for Anet. By raising the ratio, they make buying gems with real money more attractive because they add more value to each gem purchased and they make it harder for the casuals to get gem store items without paying real money, converting casuals that dont spend money on the game into casuals that do.
This might sound unfair to you but casual or average players, that dont spend money on the game after the initial purchase are not entitled to get luxury items or gem store items via gold at the same pace as casuals that spend real money.

And BTW, the difference in listing fee for selling Dusk to the highest bidder or adding to the lowest listing is between 3-5g at the moment…

munkiman.3068:

The argument is the the average player has control over the costs of “luxury goods”, that they dictate the market, which is false, even based on the basic data we do have.
The average player is not getting precursors as drops and selling them at high prices (most likely more are selling to the lower buy order, if anything).

Then where are precursors coming from? Just because you did not get one yet doesn’t mean other’s haven’t been lucky or put more dedication towards getting one.

munkiman.3068:

Nor is your average player buying them up. I’m saying your average player is playing the game and is indeed being impacted by not only high end items, but all items in the economy as it inflates. That and the TP “problems” have a lot to do with it. JS says no, but provides no data as to why that’s not the case. If TP barons can take advantage of the average player who’s not well informed, partially do to the interface of the TP, partially due to other game related factors like drop rates and earning potential outside the market and minimally due to just not being saavy, there is a problem.

There is too much supply being thrown onto the market at any given time for 1% of the playerbase to possibly affect the prices. This is has been shown, with data, with high end luxury items. Given that this is true there is no way the wealthiest players could possibly raise prices of crafting materials or markets where there is vastly more velocity.

And no one is being taken advantage of. When selling on the marketplace the player is clearly presented with all options. Sell at a lower price for instant gratification, or list it for a higher price and wait a bit and possibly be undercut. Same for buying. These people are presented with their options and making a conscious choice.

munkiman.3068:

You can see from the gem exchange that things could be improved, simply based on the fact that more gold is being pumped into the system then cash. If 500 TP Barons toss thousands of gold at gems, it does slowly move that market out of reach for the average player that is not spending cash. Which is not only bad for ANet, it’s bad for the players. I have no data to back up that’s any substantial thing that’s happening though, but if the wealthy top 1% TP Baron is tossing off the gem exchange, there is a problem.

I recommend taking a look at tolunart’s post. Its a good read and I learned a few things.

munkiman.3068:

Mostly, your average player, doesn’t max/min their earning potential, and most likely can’t even afford the listing fee for say Dusk at the high sell price (especially if your an average player is trying to make BiS gear), there is a problem.

Then how are there so many Dusks? Either people are buying them or getting lucky on a drop. And if you want BiS then buy exotics. Ascended an legendaries aren’t necessary since build and skill are more determinant factors then the tiny stat increase. These are just long terms goals to keep people playing.

munkiman.3068:

Inflation really isn’t a problem, so much as wealth disparity is, it seems to me.

No line of logic that wealth disparity hurts your game play.

munkiman.3068:

Fenrir.3609:

munkiman.3068:

2 years is far too long for what i would consider an above average player.

It took me less than two months of pve to earn the gold to buy Dusk and make Twilight and I know plenty of players with multiple legendaries bought via gold derived from pve.

Perhaps if your wife had take the time to learn to maximise her gold gain from pve (there are guides on this forum and all over the web as to how to do that) then she would have made several legendaries in that two year time span.

And yet again, people keep calling this your “average” player… It’s clearly not.

This topic is still about the rights and wrongs about making lots of profit on the TP.
People complained that those people can buy luxury items at a faster pace.

In this example, people who dont make lots of gold are referred to as “average”.
Fenrir just said that its possible for players to get legendaries without playing the tp.
Of course, in most cases the TP will be utilized to buy items that you cant be bothered farming, but we are not discussing the utility of it.

Alright, I’m going to do a short breakdown of numbers for people. First off, I’ve recently completed an ascended heavy armor set. Unlike the real hardcore farmers who can gather all of the materials insanely fast, and are patient enough for time-gated materials, I chose to buy materials.

Now, I didnt buy all of the raw materials needed, but that’s going to be used for this breakdown as I dont know my purchase history and dont care to sort through transaction history. Total cost of the materials was 370 gold. Let’s add another 30 gold to compensate for the fact that I’d bought finished materials (and insignias). 400g for an armor set. Let’s through another 30g for the ascended staff. 430g for full ascended set.

I also bought the deluxe upgrade with gold, so that’s another 100 gold. And a Commander tag, again 100 gold.

Total gold spent on a few substantial purchases? 630g. And I bought all of these in the span of the last month. I also have another 100g in my inventory right now. A couple more days of farming Orr and teq with my guild, and I’d be sitting on (even if some of it has been spent already) a pile of a thousand gold. In a month. All of it from the trade post. Yes, I’ve listed activities that are not a part of the trade post, but what is the easiest way to measure the value of that time spent? Yep, what your average haul is worth on the trade post.

I could have merely bought a legendary if I had done this for another month instead of crafting ascended armor. So I’m not sure there even IS a disparity of wealth problem. I made that money playing the game to earn my “supply” and then fished for gold on the TP with them. Sometimes I’d use sell orders to make more money if there was enough of a difference between them and buy orders, otherwise I’d use the buy orders for quick money if it’s a meager difference.

Essence Snow.3194:

Just woke up so plz bear with me…

That’s a very valid and complicated issue. As how are we to tell how many hours are spent playing the tp vs playing core content? It all gets rather complicated even though it may seem simple. For example how many hour have I spent? Idk..I usually place orders and put listings up while I play.

How do we distinguish playing the tp as a means from using it as a compliment to core play?

Without knowing what extent their metrics are capable of, I can’t give to solid answer.

As you were one of the people asking for a new wealth disparity sheet:

How would you determine wealth distribution?
How is all the stuff stored in guild banks being alotted?
How are currencies other than gold considered?
At what stage do oyu consider an account inactive and leave it out of the equation?

Keep in mind that the last wealth disparity graph we have seen was illustrating data from beta weekend, which included way less accounts and a way shorter timeframe.
Active accounts now could range from 20 months with over 7000 hours logged to 1 day old and 1 hour logged.

The reason we havent seen another wealth disparity graph isnt because Anet wants to cover up wealth disparity, its because the task to do it is very complicated now.

Just woke up so plz bear with me…

That’s a very valid and complicated issue. As how are we to tell how many hours are spent playing the tp vs playing core content? It all gets rather complicated even though it may seem simple. For example how many hour have I spent? Idk..I usually place orders and put listings up while I play.

How do we distinguish playing the tp as a means from using it as a compliment to core play?

Without knowing what extent their metrics are capable of, I can’t give a solid answer.

Ohoni.6057:

You keep demanding “evidence” of nothing anybody is trying to prove. What do you hope to accomplish by repeating “there’s no evidence!” over and over? You could as well keep shouting “There’s no tacos!” for all the good it accomplishes.

Please tell me you are joking.

When you claim that a system needs changing because of x, y, z, then the onus is on you to present evidence which points to that being the case.

At this point in time, not only does the anti TP crowd have no evidence, they don’t even seem to know what evidence they need or what they would do with it if they had it.

A good approach would be:

“Hey guys, I have a theory about an issue with the TP and the economy in general. Whilst I have tried to collate evidence in the game myself to back this up (goes on to explain exactly how they had gone about doing this), I need some specific information to see if I am indeed correct. Could you and/or JS give me x, y and z data? I will then use this data in (explains exactly how) such a way as to verify if my case is true or not. Thanks!”

The way we see the anti TP case presented in this thread:

“The disparity is to large and the systems need changing. I have no proof of it but there you go. I am now going to spam the exact same argument over and over again as though it is gospel”.

Fenrir.3609:

Sixteen pages and still no evidence.

I mean the people bemoaning the disparity don’t even seem to know how much you can earn via pve, let alone from the TP…

I’m sorry but stating “disparity is making the game unfair!” is not a credible argument, regardless as to how many times you keep on repeating it. By page fifty we won’t all of a sudden turn around and say "wow actually “muh disparity” is a really good argument, let’s nerf the TP guys!".

Outline the evidence (oh wait you have none), present exactly what stats you expect from JS and exactly how you would use them to present a case. Then perhaps the debate can move on.

Exactly.

People didnt even bother on defining wealth yet but say there is a disparity.

For all that has been stated here, i would assume wealth is defined by the gold you have and if you have a Sunrise or not.

Ohoni.6057:

It was explained to you multiple times by the Anet Economist and other people that rich people dont influence market prices.

Yeah, and I’ve explained at least twice as many times that I am really not concerned about that, I’m concerned with the wealth disparity as a effort/reward outlier that disrupts the reasonable expectations of players for a fair gaming experience.

Then why do you outright refuse to address Johns task to prove your point in a format he proposed?

John Smith.4610:

Feel free to make assumptions as you go, fork the ideas as if drawing a decision tree. This is how I would recommend beginning the analysis with or without data.

They tried something new. People weren’t happy but they needed to finish the LS up or the same people would have complained that the content wasn’t finished.

I think most people who play GW2 are just willing to wait. it is the whiners, who are a minority and the most vocal that would complain no matter what A.Net did.

I want to add my thanks too. Sometimes I know I talk a bit down because I’m at a loss for something to do or I feel the RNG hates me (we’ve all been there except for a select few lucky peeps), but I always find another area that keeps me interested and excited. With almost 2,000 hours in, I still love this game. Things like April fools bobble head stuff is what sets this game apart! The graphics are so amazing, the playstyle is fun. I can’t wait for the new QoL updates.

There’s quite a bit of hate going around the community towards this game from what I can tell. I just wanted to take a small moment of time to thank Arena Net for making this game. For a lot of people, myself included it’s more than a game. It isn’t perfect and I don’t expect it to be. Keep up the updates

Everyone who is hating on guild wars 2 should know that as of the moment, GW2 is the highest quality free mmo out there. i mean sure you pay $60 but that carries out to months upon months of endless fun and epic gameplay. for all those P2P lovers, i say this. You can have your kittenty WoW, i will be rocking 8 classes in gw2 all level 80.

To think that any update, much less an april fools day one, would satisfy 100% of the community. In fact, if that did happen, I would question the sanity of our community

I personally have enjoyed the sillyness and look forward to this day every year. But I realize it’s not for everyone, and those players have valid opinions. So I’d like to remind everyone to keep things in perspective. For those of you that haven’t enjoyed it, I’m sorry, this patch just wasn’t for you. For those of us that have enjoyed it, don’t beat others up for not having your same taste in humor!

~ You stay classy San Diego!

Great April fools joke! Loved it ( and I have seen them all)

At this time I would like to say we all like to complain, but in the end love the game. I know many of the April Fools jokes are done on personal time out of love for the game.

So any one else want to thank the develops for a great joke just join in……

Nage.1520:

A list of everything about the game that can be improved is useful. But I don’t believe everything listed is “needed” though some would be nice. Moving stuff directly from a guild bank to the bank for example would be nice…but I’m not sure I need that feature. I actually prefer some of the features that are coming up in the patch. Better PvP rewards, for example, will make it so that I actually PvP, because I hate spending time in PvP, as it felt wasted. That’s a game changer for me.

Some things are needed to you (as a PvP player). Some thing are needed to other players. So to an extent, all these things are needed to different kinds of players. You may see a new reward system as a game changer, while I see daily QoL as my game changer which makes me feel that developers care and thus support them with real money. My latest purchase, however, was a gold-to-gem conversion due to specific news regarding the patch.

Nage.1520:

A large portion of these suggestions would be greatly welcome in the game. Implementing all of them would probably take a couple of years with the devs doing nothing but that.

I’m a developer in my own field and I see many if not most of these features as “things which should’ve been there from the start” and “things which require tiny amount of time but are not as PRable so they have ultimately low priority”.

According to the Pareto principle, 80% of the effects come from 20% of time invested, and vice versa. I see the wardrobe as a 80% time consumer with 20% effect, but highly PRable to hype-prone buyers. Will I need the wardrobe once I’m done with my look? Not really, at max I’ll have several free slots in bank previously occupied by skins (in exchange for charges though). At the same time, I see most of the changes in the list take 20% of time but give 80% of effect to every day every hour every minute play. Is it as hypable as “no repair costs”? Nope…

The “couple of years” to add “use all” on stacks of luck? To add an “adjust particle effect intensity” slider? To untick “soulbound” on dungeon runes similar to sigils? To let mystic forge eat exotic sigils similar to exotic weapons? To add a “cast AoE at max distance”? To add a pinable bag? To add a tick “always skip cutscenes”? To add a collapse icon to UI elements and allow them to be dragged? Oh, come on…

Dalanor.5387:

Option for auto deposit upon loot only.

Hm… Could you make it more clear please?

Figgy.3856:

126: Option to use “preferred” reviving:

1. Downed players
2. Dead players
3. Npcs

:)

Nice, will add later. Doesn’t it work like it now?

126: Option to use “preferred” reviving:

1. Downed players
2. Dead players
3. Npcs

:)

152. “Bags shown (slim mode)” in inventory which shows bags as a table but keeps their names in slot-sized placeholders (will help to save space by eliminating half-empty rows in “Bags shown” mode). May be a replacement of feature 29.

153. Option to display world map at 90% opacity (useful for many cases when you get attacked by a random mob who walked/spawned next to you, and you have to close the map, kill the mob and then search for the waypoint again).

154. Warning when buying a 2nd identical accessory/ring on a character who has the same unique trinket equipped, so that the player sees he will not be able to use it (case reported too often in the game and forums). Additionally: an in-game explanation of what “unique” is. Alternatively: removal of “unique” mechanic.

155. “Type in item name” confirmation box on deletion/salvaging/mysticforging/vendoring of all precursors and expensive named exotics.

156. “Unsalvageable” in description of karma/vendor gear.

157. Option to turn off contour highlighting and target ring highlighting in no-UI mode (ruins screenshots if a mob/NPC is in the center of the screen and gets highlighted, and makes it difficult to make screenshots with a mini as it often relocates and receives an outline).

158. On death on any WvW map, the map view is brought up with no way to exit it other than to return to a spawn point (to counter corpse spying).

159. Adding a right-click function to inventory items/item links to search for it on Wiki (similar to /wiki chat command).

160. Mining/harvesting always as a single long channel depending on the amount of digs/chops available (custom animations may need to be tweaked though).

161. A /world or /server chat channel to let WvW people from a single world communicate in mixed-world PvE maps without sharing information with opponents (also useful for guild advertising).

162. Ability to use the same weapon as mainhand in the 1st weapon set and as offhand in the 2nd weapon set.

163. “Close all” function for event reward medal alerts (probably as right-click to dismiss all).

164. Option to block whispers and mail from anyone except your friends, guild members and current party (addresses gold selling spam and harassing).

165. Automatically remove messages of blocked users from chat (same).

166. Automatically add luck when salvaging, or consume on “deposit collectible” (may be an option, however I do not think that first levels’ artificer refinement is worth all the clicking for all other players).

167. Free waypointing to the home city of your race (adds some lore spice, helps redistribute players, encourages “racial” communities especially if cities are removed from the megaserver system).

I wonder how many folks where thinking the same thing , when Hugh said he’s main was a warrior en then talked about shaving.
Look at grouch , he mains engy , and thats how you shave ….

All in favor of banning warrior from Hugh’s character list ?

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