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Isgarren? Hm. That would actually be very interesting… especially considering the little things that’re meant to make us think of him as a villain. I wouldn’t mind it though.
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The Scepter of Orr has no link to necromantic powers however, right? It was used to control otherworldly beings in general and possibly the “outer world” itself, as well as souls etc.
Not directly. Although we do see the Lich use it to summon undead, and control them. The Vizier implies that it is the scepter of orr that makes them do his bidding.
In retrospect, though, we know that he could do both those things without the Scepter, which makes that statement highly suspect. Even the claim that it allows control over the titans may well be false, now that we know that titans are intelligent beings in service to the same master as Khilbron.
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Chiming in on the DE bit: I think the problem with their story is the medium, namely, dungeons. I could list the problems meshing story into that medium, but suffice it to say for now that ANet was faced with a choice between having players almost certainly miss so many elements that the story became incomprehensible, or skimming the entire plot down to a form that can be communicated through cutscenes and the name of the boss you’re hammering. They went for what they must have felt was the least bad option, and as a result the story is as superficial as a Mary Sue writer.
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I don’t think so… and there is this line: "An Orrian bone ship that we call “The Blight”" sounds like it’s a name they’ve just picked. But also keep in mind that in lore, there’s a much greater variety than the two models we see in game, and some ships would have their names painted on the side. Aetherblade ships are all made to the same specifications, so there’s nothing distinguishing one from another, and therefor no sense in naming them.
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There was a bit in an interview shortly before the patch.
“Esprits d’Orr : Are the illusions created by mesmers visible to anybody or only to the caster and the spell target ?
Angel McCoy : This depends. Casting an illusion that can only be seen by one person is an extremely advanced skill as it requires getting directly into an individual’s mind. Only the most skilled of mesmers can do this, and mesmers don’t talk about this ability. If people were to find out that mesmers could do this, it would prejudice people against mesmers and damage the trust and love mesmers work so hard to inspire in others.
No documentation of this ability exists outside the Mesmer community because the targets of this kind of spell don’t realize they’ve been duped. No one else can corroborate their experience either, so…it’s often explained away as battle fatigue. Even within the mesmer community, knowledge of this kind of spell is “need to know” only, which means only the most elder and experienced are initiated into the circle. "
So… basically there’s an overarching mesmer community that we’ve never heard of. And that’s all we know.
The interview itself: http://esprits-dorr.fr/node/261
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There are, unfortunately, quite a few cases where little lines in-game will contradict each other, and even more where the devs will contradict those lines. In this particular case, I’d take the direct statement from the Lore and Continuity guy over a line that for all we know might’ve been written by a random member of the writing team before the big-wigs had fully settled on what happened to the gods.
Yeah for the most part that’s what I will probably do, but there’s always that little part of me that just gets ocd about things like this.
I hear ya. And it really does suck that the personal story, which was the main story-telling device at launch, is so clearly in a more outdated and unfinished state than the overworld and dungeons (barring the dungeon that is personal story).
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There are, unfortunately, quite a few cases where little lines in-game will contradict each other, and even more where the devs will contradict those lines. In this particular case, I’d take the direct statement from the Lore and Continuity guy over a line that for all we know might’ve been written by a random member of the writing team before the big-wigs had fully settled on what happened to the gods.
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Actually, the Captain’s Council going “nope” on what obviously is going to be an attack on LA is already some major idiot ball holding (again).
“Oh after Claw Island, a Karka invasion, an attempt to get a seat in the Council by assassinating one of us, an Aetherblade assault and base right in front of our doorstep and a probe somehow put stealthily without anyone noticing right in the middle of our harbor and despite all this proof you gathered, do you REALLY think anyone would attack Lion’s Arch AGAIN? Pshawwwww.”
When I read my mail after the instance and it was “tl dr; only Kiel supports us” I wanted to claw my eyes out. While the way of bringing the story across has improved vastly and the characters themselves are getting better, parts of the story like these still dip deeply into Saturday-morning cartoon and fanfiction-territory.
Alas it can only get better. My guess about the orders is that they’ll be too busy defending their own HQs to do something – remember, her lair had all of them and LA marked so they might be attacked as well.
I think that may have just been badly delivered… everyone’s homing in on the “she wouldn’t do it again” part and ignoring the much more legitimate “we’ve come out of these encounters with nary a scratch” aspects. The Dragon Bash attack, complete with airships, caused barely any damage, and the Lionguard then proceeded (with player help) to easily total not one, but two of their major bases, not to mention that their captain languished helplessly in a cage for over half a year. The Aetherblades just don’t seem anything close to threatening.
Of course, it’s not just Aetherblades now, and there is definitely a bit of ball-holding there, but I don’t think it’s as bad as people are making out.
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Also, teleporting isn’t exactly new either (Jennah should know, she is a mesmer). Teleporting of this scale is however new, but in a society where magic plays an important part of every day life, why aren’t there magical defenses?
They’ve had no need for air or magic defenses before this point. The dragons have never threatened Kryta, beyond some token zombies lurking at the borders, and nothing short of a second Searing could bring down the walls of Divinity’s Reach. Outside the city proper the Seraph fight centaurs and bandits, neither of whom utilize much in the way of magic.
As for teleportation, while it may have existed before, Scarlet’s is completely different. Always in the past, be it by asura gate or mesmer portal, opening such a passage required some device or agent on the receiving side. It was never a tool that could bypass a wall without that wall already having been bypassed… but of course, the Villain Sue doesn’t concern herself with the laws the universe operates by.
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Heck, they knew Scarlet had airships, yet they didn’t even bother to put up air defenses.
They also saw her teleport an airship directly into an underground structure. With that, she could have bypassed any of said air defenses anyway.
On a side note, have humans even developed air defenses yet? The Charr and Asura have their different types of turrets, and the Sylvari might have some if they can grow the plants big enough. Do the humans have any long ranged air defense though, other than maybe some modified cannons? The threat posed by airship is extremely new after all.
Even the charr and asura don’t have air defenses. The technology is there, but the weapons themselves are all still early prototypes, and very clunky- the charr cannon at Skara Braevus has killed the first three engineers in charge of the project without killing a single enemy, and the megalaser the asura developed for the pact had an insanely long charge time. The Pact has improved on it, and a few other devices, but the odds of them getting involved are slim.
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Cantha really doesn’t have that much of a leg up on Elona. Maybe twice as many, which is still insignificant when the Tyrian ones make up 90% of the pool.
The vast majority are just of relevance to the continent we’re on. There’s nothing more to it.
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Are Sylvari a possibility? Not because they are dragon minons, but because they seem to be a type of “immune” response to the dragons. I haven’t seen much in game to suggest that they are a cyclical race that awakens every time an elder dragon rises then dies off after their job is complete, but we do know that the Pale Tree seeds have existed for sometime prior to the dragon’s awakening. However, you’d think they’d get a much better mention in the historical record due to their immunity, if they existed during the prior awakening.
While not outside the realm of possibility, it does raise a few questions. Why is there no historical mention of them? Why is there no memory of this previous set of sylvari in the Dream? Where did they go, and what became of them there?
This is what has always bothered me about the sylvari and what I think is a strong point for the dragon minion speculation. There is just no historical mention of them. The seed that the pale tree grew from had to be left behind by something. Because the seeds were guarded, that would mean the seeds had value to someone or something. I would have to think that if the sylvari fought against the dragons, then tales of intelligent plant creatures would most likely exist. But there are none.
However, if the sylvari were dragon minions, then it is quite possible that there would be no mention of them in the historical records, as the historical records do not seem to discuss the details of the dragon minions. I think the lack of records from the past give some creedence to the dragon minion speculation.
But it doesn’t change the fact that they share no common attributes with dragon minions, and in fact seem designed to counter the dragons. I’m leaning more towards the theory that they had ties to the Forgotten, and that they didn’t come to fruition (heh) in time to participate in the last rise… but even that is just unfounded speculation resting on the tenuous connection of immunity to corruption.
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Are Sylvari a possibility? Not because they are dragon minons, but because they seem to be a type of “immune” response to the dragons. I haven’t seen much in game to suggest that they are a cyclical race that awakens every time an elder dragon rises then dies off after their job is complete, but we do know that the Pale Tree seeds have existed for sometime prior to the dragon’s awakening. However, you’d think they’d get a much better mention in the historical record due to their immunity, if they existed during the prior awakening.
While not outside the realm of possibility, it does raise a few questions. Why is there no historical mention of them? Why is there no memory of this previous set of sylvari in the Dream? Where did they go, and what became of them there?
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I took your mention of “monuments” as the citadels since those are usually the “jotun monuments”. But I digress. There were also the jotun runestones (which we deal with in a Wayfarer heart).
As for the forgotten – I wasn’t suggesting they had forgotten (ba dum tsh), but rather that, well, we don’t have any of their records (even though the Durmand Priory has been to the Crystal Desert), they’re gone, they were widespread, and that they didn’t share any information with others about their past.
I don’t think the tengu were in Tyria during the previous dragon rise, and that’s why the jotun don’t have records of their survival (or there were some in Tyria, but they were wiped out).
They must have some sort of Forgotten records- the Warden in Arah exp could recognize and read Forgotten runes.
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The information the Priory has all comes from two sources in regard to the previous dragon awakening: dwarven texts which got heavily altered and rewritten thus are unreliable (such as the Tome of Rubicon), and jotun stelae (not their monuments) which is where most of their information seems to come from – and would likely be more accurate, given the fact of the jotun fall thus they wouldn’t know to alter the writings. With the large number of jotun stelae they have and the multitude references of five surviving races, it seems unlikely that in all the mentions, the jotun did not include others.
Stelae are monuments- “an upright stone slab or pillar bearing an inscription or design and serving as a monument, marker, or the like” if you want to get precise. I’ve been assuming that means the large flat-faced stones that make up the majority of known jotun ruins, which in lore probably don’t all have the same set of carvings.
As for the forgotten… that’s an interesting thought, but I’m not convinced. According to GW1, Vissh Rakissh lived for over a thousand years. It’s hard to see a race losing track of the fact that they were almost destroyed ten of their lifetimes ago- or two or three, by your theory. Especially given their close relationship with Glint.
Myself, I think the jotun might be part of that list. They definitely fit the forgetful criteria, and we saw them in the vicinity of the Quetzal tribe in GW1.
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I wish we could repeat that freeing ritual done on a chicken in one of the Arah paths on a nightmare being, maybe even a sylvari from the nightmare court… I am sure we can convince some Asura, for science!
Seeing how the ritual hasn’t been suggest being perform on the Sylvari seems to suggest that even in the in-universe the Sylvari are not considered dragon minions. It is likely the Inquest used nightmare hounds and such due to their connection with Sylvari and the partnership Scarlet made between them and the Nightmare Court. I’m sure the Sylvari would of responded in a violent manner to the inquest capturing even the nightmare variants, given how in the dream you do see some of the cruel treatment inflicted upon the Sylvari by several Asura.
The Nightmare Court-Inquest partnership actually had nothing to do with Scarlet. The “offshoot” of the Court working in the Steamspurs had an agreement going where they’d trade their husks, and probably hounds, to the Inquest in exchange for sylvari prisoners. I agree that they’d be unlikely to trust one of their own to Inquest hands.
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Mhm. Still not seeing anything close to Ogravros. Don’t feel like searching the other ones.
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I hope it was just some sort of large insect native to the Depths, but then I just really want an insectoid race.
Well from the original game’s gw.dat there were mention of Arachnia who was one of the gods of an insectoid race, perhaps they will build upon that hook and develop a full race of insectoid creatures.
Which has always amused me, seeing as arachnids are not insectoid. Are they saying spiders are superior to insects? That would explain a lot…
I’d like to see something along the lines of Apocrita, but alas, ANet’s stance is “it’s been done”.
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Very easy to see?
Do feel free to elaborate, because all google has ever given me is a wall of Arah walkthroughs.
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As an aside, Konig, I went out and found that norn you mentioned- Thyrie Bylund, a Durmand Priory scholar down at Might and Main. It was four years, not five, but curiously she only mentions that part to non-Priory, which may account for your trouble finding her.
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And I don’t think Edair because of the E, but rather his personality at the end of the novel. Particularly the fact that E pays attention to both DR and LA events.
Wouldn’t he be around 100 if he’s still alive? It would also require that he had abdicated at some point.
Konig said his theory was that Edair was never crowned- that after the debacle at Lion’s Arch he would’ve let one of his brothers take the crown instead. But yeah, that age thing may prove a challenge.
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This is why we need those short stories back. Even now, we’re picking out little details to spin theories out of. What Scarlet Saw seems to be holding all sorts of little details and foreshadowing we’re only seeing now.
NEED MOER SHROT STOREIS!!!!
This is all reason why What Scarlet Saw needed to be in the game, not a short story. It’s the catalyst that starts the entire Living Story plot. The story shouldn’t be reserved for people who read the short stories, especially when it’s as important as What Scarlet Saw.
What Scarlet Saw could ideally be shown in game via a chain quest (talk to each of her mentors) and then finish up talking to the Pale Tree. She shows you a vision of What Scarlet Saw in a similar style to the sylvari creation scene up to the point where Scarlet severs the connection (the two cinematics from the Tower – Kasmeer removing the veil, and the tower toppling – neither of these moments are as crucial to the story as Scarlets experience in Omadd’s device). This roots Scarlet in the world, it allows players to learn about her from her masters (it also means her masters recognise that she existed early on and creates a familiarity within Tyria about her story by retracing her journey as Ceara – while in the area players can look at the hylek tribe and interact with the environment Scarlet came from – an advantage of an MMO that is wasted by having this story on the website) and it gets more of the players on the same page when it comes to Scarlet’s history and understanding .
I like the short stories, but I like the stories to make it into the game. Taimi doesn’t have a short story, yet we’ve already learned so much about her from the game. That’s the right way to do it imo.
A pretty major problem with your idea, at least 2 of the mentors are dead so… There goes that whole “meeting the mentors” thing.
there was no reason for Asagai to be dead, so that rules out half your point. The only gap that would leave is Omadd, which is the part they wanted to keep mysterious. There’s no reason they couldn’t have done it that way, and it seems like they’re trying to change it now- Beigarth and Councilor Yahk both have dialogue pertaining to Scarlet’s apprentice stage theseadays.
How does it make no sense? She’s an old charr whose warband is dead and the last apprentice she had bailed on her before she even finished teaching her what she knew…. As Rox said, she’d rather die in the field than die from age, and she sure as hell didn’t have much left going on.
I mean hell I called that she was dead a while ago, charr society and all…. And I’m pretty sure those NPCs had dialogue for scarlet for quite some time now, no one bothered to go out and talk to them though because they didn’t have a golden starburst screaming at them to do so.
Actually, quite a few people did try to talk to them about Scarlet. They didn’t have anything to say until November, three full months after that story went up.
I didn’t say “no sense”, I said no reason. Unlike Omadd, there was nothing stopping the devs from putting Asagai, complete with her story about Scarlet, into the game. Rox claiming that she’s dead in January had no bearing on ANet’s decision about how her story ought to be told in August.
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I hope it was just some sort of large insect native to the Depths, but then I just really want an insectoid race.
As for dryders- where would you expect to see them? The only overlap between the GW2 map and previous dryder territory are the ice caves in Borlis Pass and the Frost Gate. Possibly western Iron Horse Mine. That still leaves half the Frostfire population, and all of the Dark Flame’s, beyond our current reach, not to mention all of the dungeon varieties in the Far Shiverpeaks.
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This is why we need those short stories back. Even now, we’re picking out little details to spin theories out of. What Scarlet Saw seems to be holding all sorts of little details and foreshadowing we’re only seeing now.
NEED MOER SHROT STOREIS!!!!
This is all reason why What Scarlet Saw needed to be in the game, not a short story. It’s the catalyst that starts the entire Living Story plot. The story shouldn’t be reserved for people who read the short stories, especially when it’s as important as What Scarlet Saw.
What Scarlet Saw could ideally be shown in game via a chain quest (talk to each of her mentors) and then finish up talking to the Pale Tree. She shows you a vision of What Scarlet Saw in a similar style to the sylvari creation scene up to the point where Scarlet severs the connection (the two cinematics from the Tower – Kasmeer removing the veil, and the tower toppling – neither of these moments are as crucial to the story as Scarlets experience in Omadd’s device). This roots Scarlet in the world, it allows players to learn about her from her masters (it also means her masters recognise that she existed early on and creates a familiarity within Tyria about her story by retracing her journey as Ceara – while in the area players can look at the hylek tribe and interact with the environment Scarlet came from – an advantage of an MMO that is wasted by having this story on the website) and it gets more of the players on the same page when it comes to Scarlet’s history and understanding .
I like the short stories, but I like the stories to make it into the game. Taimi doesn’t have a short story, yet we’ve already learned so much about her from the game. That’s the right way to do it imo.
A pretty major problem with your idea, at least 2 of the mentors are dead so… There goes that whole “meeting the mentors” thing.
there was no reason for Asagai to be dead, so that rules out half your point. The only gap that would leave is Omadd, which is the part they wanted to keep mysterious. There’s no reason they couldn’t have done it that way, and it seems like they’re trying to change it now- Beigarth and Councilor Yahk both have dialogue pertaining to Scarlet’s apprentice stage theseadays.
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Marjory does openly ask Logan rather he knows anyone who goes by E, but Logan seems honestly baffled by the question. So we have a long list of people we’ve ruled out… so much so we don’t have any suspects left, and we’re forced to turn to characters from out-of-game mediums, characters in-game who are only potential candidates because of their race, or else throw up our hands and assume it’s someone we’ve never met before. The mystery really could’ve been handled better.
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Well, the fact that Marjory was grabbed from behind and is still uncertain about E really rules out asura and charr- hard to mistake a paw, or that your assailant only comes up to your waist. I would like to think she’d be able to recognize a norn too, so that narrows it down to human or sylvari, with the setting making human much more likely (not just that it’s happening in DR, but that E knows the corrupt dealings of the Ministry). The voice thing does bother me too, but I must concede that I’ve known several people with irritatingly androgynous voices.
My point is that we have a lot ruling out certain people, but you’re dead on when you say it’s disheartening that they haven’t given anything that would make someone more likely. It severely curtails any ability of ours to swap theories.
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Another thought- this sort of work, influencing events by anonymously contacting various skilled individuals to take care of it, an interest in corruption within and threats to different governments, it’s all very much within the Order of Whispers’ MO. We’ve been told in just about every interview that mentions them that they pull the strings of politics behind the scenes, but as players we never really get to see it. Perhaps the Herald/E will finally rectify that.
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(mandatory expression of disappointment at the failure of any sort of ogre lore blog to manifest)
Another interesting bit- Genzhou also says “My people remember things that too many others have forgotten.” That implies that not only were the tengu around for the last dragon rise, but were in contact with multiple other races that had lost that portion of their history. I suspect dwarves may have been one of them, but I’m curious what my fellow forum-goers think may be the others.
These minor lines hint to us that the tengu, kodan, and ogres may have also found means to survive without the jotun’s knowledge.
Not necessarily. If the five races even come from a jotun source, and I can’t recall any NPC ever saying that, those would still just be the five that could be gleaned from studying decaying and long-abandoned jotun monoliths. It could well be that the jotun knew of more survivors and simply didn’t feel they warranted inclusion on their monuments, or that they were included and that particular bit of stonework crumbled in the thousands of intervening years. A small point, but it means we can’t rule out other races that potentially came into contact with the jotun.
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Fair enough. Could be that s/he just sent the message through Caithe.
Personally, I’m really really hoping E doesn’t end up having any e’s in their name at all. The pun they set up was lame enough, no need to add insult to injury.
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I don’t think it’s dropped off the radar- ANet through in a menion last patch that seemed tailored to draw player attention back to the enigma.
Personally, I’m of the opinion that “E.” is the Herald from the dungeons. They share an uncanny knowledge of major going-ons shortly before they occur, and iirc, there was a dialogue with Marjory where our character admitted to having been contacted multiple times in the past- I’ll try to dig it up. That does still leave the question of who it is, though, and I’m stumped.
EDIT: Huh. Very quick wiki found what I wanted:
Player: He contacts you often?
Marjory: Often enough. Usually with some tip about wrongdoings that need righted. You?
Player: Me too.
That implies that it’s an ongoing thing, but isn’t solid confirmation. Oh well. More interestingly, I also just remembered that it’s implied that Caithe is the Herald- in CoE, the Herald says that they’ve sent word to Rytlock and Logan, and when you ask them they say Rytlock got a note from Caithe. But why would Caithe care about corruption in Divinity’s Reach? I’m feeling uncertain about the whole thing now.
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Deathbed?
… Do you mean Reza? If so, it’s his spirit that talked to you, and that had never been corrupted, only imprisoned. Or at least that’s how I interpreted it.
Glint, as has been mentioned too many times to merit counting, required a very specific magical ritual to be freed, one not available when this sylvari recovered.
Really, I don’t know why people are jumping to the idea of corruption. What she went through was in no way like corruption. Corruption doesn’t traumatize, corruption doesn’t drive anyone mad. And that jump of logic seems willfully ignorant of the fact that she was complaining of a powerful mesmer forcing its way into her kittening mind… but nope, that can’t be it. Must be corruption.
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The ones I’ve seen are just outside the north-western walls of the keep. I haven’t spent too much time there- last night I was primarily concerned with getting as much of Mai Trin’s dialogue as I could.
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It’s been a while, so my memory may be foggy, but in the Protect the Mists storyline, wasn’t the spike used to pin the havroun’s spirit said to be a corrupted part of the mists?
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A couple of other statues- In Overgrowth, particularly around the keep, there’s a few of those angel-with-vase pools, which I believe I’ve only seen in DR. Also, that Aquatic Ruins statue isn’t just in overgrowth- there are significant quantities in The Juncture and Badlands as well.
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Then why use what we do for evidence?
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It’s not a jungle..
It’s called the “overgrowth” for a reason.
It looks like ruins/areas where the grass and plantlife have started to grow over what was already there.There are hardly any trees, so I don’t see why people keep saying jungle.
Because that’s what it was called during testing, but I cede the point. That doesn’t change that the trees are mostly Krytan or Maguuman, both regions that have never held a grawl presence.
Interesting observation today though… there are actually some Orrian minarets in the badlands region.
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And yet they stuck creatures in areas that was befitting the creatures. They didn’t go slapping krait in the shiverpeak areas. That’s at least a little care for “lore accuracy beyond flavor.”
I dunno… we never see grawl even remotely close to a jungle in-game.
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We do it for famous fossils. At least sometimes.
Like Sue and Lucy. I’m sure there’s more too but not off the top of my head.
Yeah, but we’ve never called them “the Moondeath.”
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We have next to no historical evidence of many species of the previous rise. Who’s to say that the dragons were once a species of a previous cycle – maybe not the last, but perhaps the one before? Or the one before that? Perhaps even the very first appearance of the Elder Dragons, however long ago it was.
It’s possible, but why would the Orrians name specific specimens of a long-dead race?
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I urge you to get in touch with Plagiarised- your projects have a lot of overlap, and I hope you can help each other out.
I think that video recordings would be a massive timesaver, especially given that you’re taking on scenery as well as dialogue. The wiki generally doesn’t go in for screenshot dumps- to post the dialogue there would mean transcribing, which would actually be more time-consuming if you have the option of recording video.
For places that’ll likely change soon, LA tops the list. After that, in descending order, the other cities, the non-Orr explorable zones, the dungeons, and the Orr explorable zones. It’s hard to tell more than a couple weeks in advance where the Living Story will go, but we know something big will hit Lion’s Arch with the next month, and historically cities have been changed more than zones, and the Orrian zones have been left practically untouched.
I really can’t answer where to post it. YouTube would be my bet too, but someone may come forward with a better idea.
As a closing note, from my own personal experience- don’t try to capture 100% of the ambient dialogue. It’s next to impossible. You’ll have to find your own balance between waiting long enough so you don’t miss something and waiting too long so you end up missing other things.
Best of luck!
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Why would the person that owned the object, throw it away? It makes no sense.
According to Sea of Sorrows, she doesn’t have it anymore.
Actually, Sea of Sorrows implies that she does still have it, but either way we’re making an assumption based on the tense of one word spoken 71 years ago.
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Size from the previous game doesn’t necessarily matter. It could be a situation where the models change between games, much like other creatures throughout the world (Giants anyone?). Because the undead from Guild Wars Prophecies were never shown to have undead that were “crafted” for lack of a better word, it would make sense that at one point in time Orr did have dragons, and it would be possible for Zhaitan to make use of them. I have to wonder, though, what kind of dragons they may have been, since we have no historical evidence of their existence thus far.
To be fair, before Guild Wars 2, what we knew about Orr amounted to “gods and artifacts. Oh, and they had a Vizier, and now they’re all undead.” The dearth of historical evidence applies to just about all things Orrian.
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What do we really know about the Stone Warband? Even Rytlock seems to distance himself from it in the novel. Is it possible that its a Warband for gladium? Have we met anyone else that is even in that Warband?
At the moment, only what Logan told us last release: they’re all officers in the Legions, and don’t do much as a unit anymore.
Which, frankly, just makes Rytlock’s incessant hazing all the more ridiculous.
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Yeah I’m constantly afraid they’ll pull the ‘no she was really good all along’ card. That’s just a twist for the sake of a twist, and at times can require plain retcon.
Well, they’ve already kind of shown that. She was influenced/corrupted/possessed and converted into Scarlet. We do have in-game evidence that she still has some ‘good’ aspects to her.
But I doubt they’re just going to flip her into good in the end. We’ll probably see a flash of Ceara just before Scarlet dies.
Ceara can’t really be called “good”, though. Whatever possession/mind-twisting may have gone on, it just turned bad into worse. That doesn’t really have the same impact.
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I’ve always wondered why Blightghast and those three have unique sounding names – who named them, for example? Especially those last three, given there’s a whole swarm of those dragons there that naming them then and there seems fruitless.
Agreed. “Blightghast” could have come from anywhere, it’s really only a compound word evoking disease and death. Ogravros, Fafnarin, Horrogos, those are different stories. That’s why I think they were real dragons- Orrian sounding names implies they were named by the Orrians, which would mean they were around before Zhaitan’s rise. And recall also the bone dragons, which were nowhere near as large, but serve as further evidence that Orr had dragons.
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I don’t know that they changed what signets are- they just never implemented the description. And there is this. But I digress.
I can think of two possible explanations: there’s the idea that you had, that there’s some in-built magical protection, which is backed by the fact that practically every armor piece in the game has a magical inscription (the flavoring behind the different stat sets.) Alternatively, is was mentioned a long time ago that gold is magically conductive- which implies that there are other metals that aren’t. Maybe those are employed in the forging process, and have a dampening effect.
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I got more of an Aetherblade vibe from Badlands, but I haven’t spent too long there just yet.
only aetherblade thing in there is the airport, and technically aetherblade ships are stolen (partially) charr technology anyway :P
Nah. The pipes are Aetherblade too, and I’ve heard some of the doodads in the main keep also look the part.
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I got more of an Aetherblade vibe from Badlands, but I haven’t spent too long there just yet.
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Are any of the Dragon champions actual dragons? Zhaitan’s champions seem to be made out of numerous corpses, the CoJ could easily be a creation of pure ice. The Great Destroyer did seem more like something that might have once been a creature (though more of a beetle/dragon hybrid).
I’m inclined to think that Zhaitan’s, at least, were once real dragons, if only because the three in Arah have Orrian sounding names. As Konig already said, the Shatterer probably isn’t because it’s so easy to replace, and it’s hard to say with the Claw.
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