Old-school MMO : A person making 25K a year was equal to a person making $250K , in the game world. Now they are not. The MMO was an escape into another world, where we are all equal and only hard work and dedication would bring you great rewards. Now you just open your real world wallet. It has killed what an MMO used to be.
back in 1999 I knew a guy who was very wealthy who played Everquest, he had a T3 commercial line run into his house (most were playing on dial up back then) and had a bank of 24 computers installed so he could run 24 game clients …
he even ran his own raids…
and rumor was he even hired the neighbourhood kids to play his characters and level them while he was at work.. so yes even back in the “golden age” of MMO’s RL cash would give an advantage …
and I wont even start on how you could buy a max level characters or a cloak of flames right off E-bay back then…..
personaly I would have picked Secret World, though I imagine when you compare the commercial success of the two games GW2 wins hand down.
and while I agree there is not much “role” in GW2 it still has classes and is close enough in my eyes to be under consideration as a mmorpg imho
I’m all for choice, as long as everyone is not forced into chain-mail bikini’s or such I do not mind..
I mean in RL I would never wear a halter top, micro-mini skirt and 5" heels … but I would not call for them to be banned just because I dont like them.
as to knowing your class and how to play …. Don’t forget it is very easy and quick to go from level 1 to 80 just doing trade skills and never leave the city zones.
[quote=989584;critickitten.1498And I didn’t comment on either Tera or Lineage 2’s server counts, if you read more carefully, so not sure why you brought them up. Is it because I stated that SWTOR’s population is now closer to competing with them (which is factually true)? Because there’s a difference between “number of servers” and “number of players”, you know.[/quote]
All very true, I just mentioned the other two as they are still listed as being “top 10” MMO’s games out there as a comparison. It’s interesting to see games as old as Everquest (1999) running with 12+ server still.. though as you state you never know how many people are on them.
and also consider more modern games are build to take advantage of the latest chips, think back to when EQ wa released the fastest computer was the single core Pentium III – 733 (I think) .. I was playing on a Celeron 300 with a original TnT card .. with (16 megs on it!)
Im sure more modern games such as GW2 can handle many more people on them even compared to games just released 3 or 4 years ago.
I used Ashen, White Hair, Glow, Patern… though I used Yellow eyes .. I tried Frosted but it seemed to give a bit of a blue tinge to me (i’m usre it varies depending on your monitor settings and Video card)
also had a White dye drop so even her outfits are white now! .. though I also like to use the “Ice” range of dyes .. I find they seem to work well with a white skinned yuki-onna.
LOL learn your facts first please. Like someone already said, ToR had a lot more servers then GW2.
TOR released with 103 servers, according to information I’ve located online. It’s down to 20 servers as of this date, less than GW2 and less than other competitors such as Rift and Aion.
GW2 released with 52. And still has that many.
Maybe next time, before shooting your mouth off, do a little internet research to make sure you know what you’re talking about, ya?
Ummm, Rift only has 18 Servers …. and Aion has 5 North American (basicly international) servers total. (there are more localized Aion Korean/Japanese/Chinese one but they have limited access)
Tera only has 3 servers and I think last time I looked Lineage 2 (again outside of asia) only has 3 or 4 ..
That’s a load of crock. Unless you’re joining an elitist Fractals grinding group or a dungeon running group full of morons nobody is going to complain about you playing support.
Smart players know the value of support in making runs smoother and making up for individual deficiencies. I’d rather take 45 minutes on a dungeon path because we had a few support characters but have a more fun and relaxing time than have a 30 minute run with 5 straight Berserkers frantically dodging every which way living on the razor’s edge.
oh I agree, but just read through this thread… its an opinion experessed by several posters here.
Let people build thier characters into the style THEY want to play
and how does this effect me and the rest of the people who cower in fear of the lot of you blowhards? The kind of damage that enemies would need to do in order to threaten the tank / healer combo would DECIMATE people who are playing balanced builds. Currently, if I miss one dodge on my Knight/Soldier combo geared characters, I’m usually hurt pretty bad, but it won’t end my fight. Change that attack so that it now threatens characters who are built with “Super-Soldier” class gear that is ALL Vitality and Toughness and my hybrid is going to be one-shotted immediately.
We can’t have both crowds happy here. If dedicated roles creep into this game, they’ll kill the people who want to be balanced and well rounded. And the honest truth is that we were the target audience so we by all rights have precedent. Leave our game alone.
Balanced builds? check each class forum, recommended builds are 30 – 30 .. and put the other 10 into something or other because you cant get anymore into the first two…. load up on +Power gear and go blow things up… DPS is King and Queen and basicly the only game in town.
I dont see any balance here at all.
I would just like to be able to so something more than give 2 -3second buffs and DPS.
And as an ele you can.
You can destroy projectiles, grant aura’s to allies, create water fields, CC the enemy, apply conditions to the enemy, provide some off healing to allies, create combo fields, and use blast finishers to help you allies ( assuming that one of them put down a water combo field you can heal them around you with that.).
As an ele you can do pretty much do everything.
Support, DPS, and Tank.All in the same build.
What you cant do is hold someones hand.
I do agree with you, elementalist is one of my favorite class’s for it versitility but if I do all the things you suggest we have already seen several people comment in this thread alone that doing anything but maximizing your personal DSP is cutting into the efficiency of the group and would result in them never wanting to play with you again…..
see I always found playing DPS boring, hit auto attack and read a book untill the mob is dead not the sort of play is not for me, I always enjoyed being a buffer / healer (I played 12 year of Everquest as a Cleric or Enchanter).
Yes in GW it is a bit more active with dodge, but is it really that much of a challange to see your standing in a fire field and press V? all the while not slowing down on spamming DPS or else someone will accuse you of not contributing to the efficiancy of the group?
I would just like to be able to so something more than give 2 -3second buffs and DPS.
now saying that I think they almost have it right with the way they made the elementalist and thier Fire/Water/Earth/Air and to a lesser extend the Trait system…
let people pick what type of style they want to play .. want to be a healing? … click a button and boom your the healer! or spec your character for Tanking, or DPS. (to a much greater extent they they do now)
Let people build thier characters into the style THEY want to play
Some of the largest guilds on Isle of Janthir where I play are australian ones. I also often see people chatting in Korean or Japanese… though I have had no luck getting IME to work in GW for me so I stick to english/romaji
Open world, mostly because I do not often have a big block of time to play GW, so I tend to avoid group activities or dungeons that require you to pay attention to the computer for 30+ minutes at a time.
Due to children, work, cooking, cleaning, laundry, husband wanting sex etc .. I have to AFK quite often,
Class’s in GW reminds me of that line from the Incredibles.. "Once everyone is super… then no one is… "
The other day I got 2 off one mob! .. fist time that has ever happened to me.
maybe they should think of stealing an idea from Everquest, there instanced events lock at about the 75% point and you cannot add or remove players.
maybe when all the server are marked full a new item will apear in the gem shop with guaranteed transfer .. for $10 or so ….
guess it’s a matter of perspective, I don’t even have two gold! …. (and I do have 2 level 80’s)
think the most I have ever had was about 6… when I once lucked out and had a White Dye drop…. but I don’t mind. I still enjoy playing with no money and have no intention to work to farm more… if I get some I get some.
Cash shop would give an advantage if you could get something there that you have zero chance of getting just playing the game.
as someone who has played several “buy to win” mmo’s over the years (and yes I am way over 7 years too…. sigh) … I find the cash shop here very tame… in fact I wish is had more… like Town clothes!!!
well since you Ding to level 2 doing the opening sequence and I have not seen any way to delevel in this game, I don’t think you will be seeing any level 1 farmers…..
I enjoy it and have gotten my money’s worth, though I wish it was more of a sandbox game rather then the PvE theme park style.. but it will fill in my time untill Everquest next comes out.
read that as a perma death jumping puzzle, now that would be hardcore!
What? there is sound in this game? (I just turn off my computer speakers when I am in town)
That quote is really bad english. It could easily mean multiple things.
Plus it is just from a PR person, not from a Dev.
I’m thinking the syvari accent is an american voice actor trying to do a psudo british one…. and Asura should have been done with aussie accent, now that would have been funny!
i’m betting right now they are wishing they named it something else, and this does have precident, I know John Smedley has often said he wishes they had named Everquest 2 something different because of all the moaning in the early days that EQ2 was not an exact remake with better graphics of EQ1.
people calling this a buggy mess must be very new to MMO’s …
I think back to the first few months of Everquest 1, and 2.. DOAC, WoW, Lineage2, AoC, Vanguard, WAR… this launch has been remarkably solid and bug free.
I remember back in the 80s a guy keeling over and dying after playing Donkey Kong for many hours in a bar …. guess that was because of the gear grind huh?
this striles me so strange, so you cannot have any fun at all playing GW2 if you do not have the absolutly best gear in game at all times you are logged into it?
and you have had no fun at all since you bought this game? ….
my top character is level 80 and only in yellow and green gear .. not one piece of exotic yet. but i have lots of fun playing….
I’ve been amazed that people think anything in GW2 is grindy, though I guess it is subjective, but I think back to when it took me 6 solid weeks of play to get from level 59 to 60 in hell level days of Everquest one or that it takes billions of exp to get to max level in Lineage 2……. Games that take months or years of play just to get up in levels! .. with no thought of even getting close to having any “top gear” from them… that is grindy. (to me)
When I first started playing GW2 I leveled so fast and gear was showered down on me in such volumn I told my friends it reminded me of a old fasioned “Monty Haul” dungeon (for you old AD&D players out there!).
I’m interested in seeing how the next generation of Sandbox MMO’s work out, these are games like Archage, Black Desert, Blessed, Everquest Next which will have no (or very little) linear content or in some cases class’s .. you just roll your character and it gets dropped into a world and away you go.
If you just want to build a farm and raise cows go for ir!
If you want to build a castle and rule a kingdom, go for it!
if you want to raid boss’s and dungeons, go for it!
In some ways GW2 tries this, but it really is more of a theme park mmo with the linear personal story lines and stepped zone progression.
though i am neutral on this, press M next time you are in game and point out where the pvp zones are on the world map…. oh wait.. they are not there…
I play the same amount, but then I never even heard of the manifesto untill it came up here at the forum.
I bought GW2 because the graphics looked nice and while I never played GW1 it always had a good reputation, my son was in the beta and he spoke highly of it.
I’ve enjoyed how they run dynamic events and heart quest and even try some jumping puzzles, though im terrible at them…..
I enjoy exploring the world and dont farm or spend a lot of money or worry about gear or stats or anything like that so if there is a gear grind or not in GW2 dosn’t affect me in the slightest.
Imagine this conversation in real life:
‘Hey, I’ve explored every country and continent on Earth’ says Guy 1
‘Err, you haven’t explored the North or South Poles…’ says Guy 2
‘Yeah but I hate the snow and cold, so it shouldn’t count as a continent’ says Guy 1
the north pole is a continent? …. really?
and there are no exploration points in Dungeons … are they not also part of the world?
one of the reasons its population dropped is because people are not automaticly bumped up to level 80 now.
i’m sure a lot of the people there the first few days were lower level people cheching out what a level 80 zone looks like.
type Z here!
I only PvE, am level 80 but only have an exotic sword, rest of my gear is yellow or green .. and I dont really care if I get anything better soon. If I get something to drop thats better I wil use it, but I dont farm for things.
I’m not driven to max out my stats or pick the perfect traits or skills, or use the ultimate weapon Sigil combinations… I just want to have fun playing.
Only do dungeons for fun with guildies.. and we laugh more at how spectacularly each other dies than worry about the stats on that BP that dropped.
Really it’s the way I always played mmo’s .. I have played EQ for the last 12 years and had over 500 Days played on some of my Everquest characters and never had the best or top gear on any of them… not worth the fret.
“don’t see, even with my /age, how people have 100s of gold? I guess they aren’t crafters?”
Don’t forget whipping out the old Visa card.
I don’t know the stats for Guild Wars but I have seen on other games where you can buy gold some people will spend upwards of $1000 a month on a game without blinking thier eye’s ….
Thanksgiving was last month!
<—— is Canadian
I know chests in jumping puzzles and events like the mad king are on a 24 hour timer, they repop once per day at 5PM PST same time the Daily Quest resets.
I did the event with my level 19 Ele.. I was lucky that I crashed and missed the whole final fight but got back just in time to see the chest up…
I got the 20 slot bag and the 80 earring, 2 exotic chest pieces that were level 62 (and i can use one when i get to 62!) .. and a yellow level 39 ring and a yellow level 39 Horn.
hell no the servers are full
This.
As we all have to keep explaining to you people, the server lists population based on people registered to the server itself. It doesn’t matter if they even play the game any more.
if that is the case, how come my sever switches between high and full quite often…I have been keeping track for a friend on another server to transfer over … but every time I saw it just high and called her by the time she logged on it had changed back to full… she was finely able to do the transfer just two days ago.
NCsoft share value has been dropping since early 2011. this is nothing new.
I noticed they made a “PvP” monthly achievement.. but left WvW in the non PvP monthly still… so maybe they dont consider it PvP…
running around DR with a new level 4 ele and only getting 39 xp from waypoints and 24 from Vista’s.. used to be 100 and 60 xp before the patch.
This another bug or is it “working as intended”…….
would be interesting to be able to play other factions of existing races as well. for example maybe Silent or nightmare court Silvari. and in the personal story it mentions that there are other Mother Tree’s out there with other types of Silvari as well.
Im sure we will be finding all the older cities in GW1 as well and they will end up being starter cities for variant human races as well…
and for those who say dwarves are all turned to stone, its broadly hinted in several heart quest around that there is a good possibility that not all the dwarves are dead and gone.
I like the versatility of warriors attack, while there are not a lot of flashy spells, the animations for most wepaons are very eye pleasing (to me!) … only one I would change is the “rush” amination for great sword 5… I do miss the “leap of faith” animation from my guardian.
Maybe it’s because I played Lineage 2 for years with it’s wide open PvP, perma-reds, gank squads and spawn campers I have developed a strong dislike for PvP.
It’s something I have yet to overcome in GW2 and have avoided all PvP here too, so it is not unusual to be that way for sure.
you can see it in the “home instance” for the Humans, they even give clues that your house will be based on your choices at the start. Running through the noble story they even mention in one of the steps that you have a house in the noble area of the instance. .. and they have a Cottage area point of interest (common folk area?) and I bet if you chose Street Rat your home will be one of the rooms at the pub your friends hang out at.
what happened to the 25th US server?
Never was one. See, 24/3=8. That’s 8 WvWvW pairings. A 25th server would be an odd-man-out and couldn’t exist without a 26th and 27th as well.
Interesting, I never pay attention to PVP stuff … but then the official wiki is wrong as they list 25 US servers (is one the overflow server maybe?)