Guild Wars 2

Defence is already insane if properly positioned, I vote for walls/gates HP to be reduced across the board and for retaliation to affect arrowcarts again.

Kryyg.8576:

According to the T1 Euro thread, I’m not the only one who says you guys are a non-factor. Your enemies and allies alike are saying the same thing in that thread.

And your guild leader Aneu admitted he wiped to us a bunch of times 3 posts up. Personal admission beats youtube videos, don’t you think?

When 30 people take on an entire servers worth of people you can expect to have a few losses, I wouldnt go ahead and say that we have never wiped because that would be a lie but we wipe far less than most.

What guild are you in out of interest?

TW sure do feel like they need to prove themselves dont they… you guys are so testy!

Zikory.6871:

So let me see if I understand, Your questioning the skill or talent of TW based off “this one time” you met them on the battle field? Well this one time I kill 3 EMP, the whole guild most be trash…I think you need to come up with more then 1 example for your claim. Winning fights with less numbers happens all the time, though it might feel impressive, its not out of the norm.

Actually my point was that their “GvG” was not a GvG it was simply WvW… they are the ones who got defensive over it

LetoII.3782:

Aneu.1748:

Wotah.2975:

Hoots.9564:

LetoII.3782:

Aneu.1748:

LetoII.3782:

We wouldn’t know would we? As I recall, after our last encounter with votf they made thoroughly sure they would never encounter us again..

Oh, that time when we sat in your spawn tower with the door open for almost two hours (with 30 people and we kept running out and killing u and u wouldnt come in) and then we went to your spawn supply camp where your commander re-spawned twice and it took you over 14mins to whittle down 30 people with your server constantly re-spawning…

Please tell me why we would waste our time fighting people who either run away or claim a GvG happened when it was a server vs 30 people…

Still waiting on your vid of our encounters. You know, the one where you didn’t look utterly ineffectual like in the one WE released. ROTFL

lol they have footage of it, after they reviewed it they realized they were being wiped by a handful of TW and pugs during there own timezone, that can make even some of the more hardcore guilds feel a bit tender. His post above explains this well.

Soooo you guys kill them at your spawn camp and claim victory. It takes about 5-10s to get back from full death there. Soooo that’s an accomplishment, why?

They dont seem to get it

Ohh we get it. Words are what you guys have to use against tw. Must be depressing.
Once again, grants on killing Maves, human warrior, commander and gm of tempest wolves

Ok so I will make it quite simple for you. We took your spawn tower, we held it for about 2 hours with you guys waiting outside for most of it (not a single push) which meant we came out to attack you constantly, now considering your spawn is 10s from the tower (aprox) then you have the advantage here. We got bored waiting for you so we went to your spawn tower with the aim of “Lets see how long it takes for us to die”.

So essentially its 30 people vs your map, we held for over 10min without much difficulty. We could have quite easily disengaged before but as I said, the point was to see a time that we could hold for, so congrats on getting your server to respawn several times in order to wipe us at the supply camp that is around 15s run from your spawn.

Oh and congrats on turning down the GvG vs us also, funny how you whine about lack of GvG now though.

Wotah.2975:

Hoots.9564:

LetoII.3782:

Aneu.1748:

LetoII.3782:

We wouldn’t know would we? As I recall, after our last encounter with votf they made thoroughly sure they would never encounter us again..

Oh, that time when we sat in your spawn tower with the door open for almost two hours (with 30 people and we kept running out and killing u and u wouldnt come in) and then we went to your spawn supply camp where your commander re-spawned twice and it took you over 14mins to whittle down 30 people with your server constantly re-spawning…

Please tell me why we would waste our time fighting people who either run away or claim a GvG happened when it was a server vs 30 people…

Still waiting on your vid of our encounters. You know, the one where you didn’t look utterly ineffectual like in the one WE released. ROTFL

lol they have footage of it, after they reviewed it they realized they were being wiped by a handful of TW and pugs during there own timezone, that can make even some of the more hardcore guilds feel a bit tender. His post above explains this well.

Soooo you guys kill them at your spawn camp and claim victory. It takes about 5-10s to get back from full death there. Soooo that’s an accomplishment, why?

They dont seem to get it

LetoII.3782:

Aneu.1748:

LetoII.3782:

We wouldn’t know would we? As I recall, after our last encounter with votf they made thoroughly sure they would never encounter us again..

Oh, that time when we sat in your spawn tower with the door open for almost two hours (with 30 people and we kept running out and killing u and u wouldnt come in) and then we went to your spawn supply camp where your commander re-spawned twice and it took you over 14mins to whittle down 30 people with your server constantly re-spawning…

Please tell me why we would waste our time fighting people who either run away or claim a GvG happened when it was a server vs 30 people…

Still waiting on your vid of our encounters. You know, the one where you didn’t look utterly ineffectual like in the one WE released. ROTFL

As I said, the video you posted where your commander dies twice where you outnumber us and everyone keeps respawning to come back and kill us! You didnt include the fact you stood outside your spawn tower for around 2 hours with us coming out n killing you constantly – But you digress from the point. That video is not a GvG.

LetoII.3782:

We wouldn’t know would we? As I recall, after our last encounter with votf they made thoroughly sure they would never encounter us again..

Oh, that time when we sat in your spawn tower with the door open for almost two hours (with 30 people and we kept running out and killing u and u wouldnt come in) and then we went to your spawn supply camp where your commander re-spawned twice and it took you over 14mins to whittle down 30 people with your server constantly re-spawning…

Please tell me why we would waste our time fighting people who either run away or claim a GvG happened when it was a server vs 30 people…

What some consider decent GvG.

Hoots.9564:

Aneu.1748:

Ascii.9726:

Due to popular demand: TW & Fear vs. FoO (GvG Sunday 14th)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOr4fUP1o7k

What the…

Ok so lets take it slow here, a GvG means (Guild v Guild) essentially it comes down to two guilds lining up against each other and seeing which one has the ability to outdo the other in terms of individual skill and commanding. Individual skill plays a big part in GvG I would call it a 50/50 split since a GvG requires far more self-reliance as opposed to a blob and more individual thinking about positions and so on…

What this video shows is -not- a GvG. It is two guilds fighting one with huge blobs that are unable to show any individual skill due to the lag (Yes – Lag is detrimental to ones skill and essentially comes down to who has luck on their side and which group can hit 1 in a more condensed area than the other…)

If this is what NA consider GvG then I fear you have missed the great opportunity that is organised and worth while GvG that really puts the pressure up and presents an opportunity for every guild to prove their worth.

Aneu

lol who are you? Not sure if you realize but GvG’s don’t occur in the NA when you only have one other guild willing to do them, and they only set them up if they can beat the other team. What you see in that video is a GvG of FoO, TW, and Fear leading both BL’s against each other. Sorry if it does not meet the “Euro” definition of a GvG. Waha approached Indo in an attempt to set up a fight between FoO and TW, but at those hours we have less then 15 people so both guilds agreed to just run full bl vs full bl. The fight was not about individual skill, they have Spvp for that, the fights were more about commanding skills of a large force. Was there skill lag for both sides? Yes, but commanders like Waha, Indo, and Irmo worked through that and we ended up having some of the best fights in GW to date.

Friend, what is happening in that video is called World vs World… There is no GvG involved…

Ascii.9726:

Due to popular demand: TW & Fear vs. FoO (GvG Sunday 14th)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOr4fUP1o7k

What the…

Ok so lets take it slow here, a GvG means (Guild v Guild) essentially it comes down to two guilds lining up against each other and seeing which one has the ability to outdo the other in terms of individual skill and commanding. Individual skill plays a big part in GvG I would call it a 50/50 split since a GvG requires far more self-reliance as opposed to a blob and more individual thinking about positions and so on…

What this video shows is -not- a GvG. It is two guilds fighting one with huge blobs that are unable to show any individual skill due to the lag (Yes – Lag is detrimental to ones skill and essentially comes down to who has luck on their side and which group can hit 1 in a more condensed area than the other…)

If this is what NA consider GvG then I fear you have missed the great opportunity that is organised and worth while GvG that really puts the pressure up and presents an opportunity for every guild to prove their worth.

Aneu

I miss the slaughter that was NA at times…

T1 stagnancy is going to reach an all new level now. Guess its time to start playing for kills instead of points even more.

Victim.3016:

VoTF vs RG from a noob Guardian PoV.
Props to all involved
This is just our wins btw, will upload all the fights over the next few days.!
Enjoy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=MsdlBjm79dQ

We will get one up asap with a constant bit rate. Video uploaded at 6am after a night of fun frolics and fighting RG.

Pryda.8257:

Aneu.1748:

Empyre.2531:

Thanks to the VOTF guys for gvg tonight. Good fights.

Indeed, was very close! Great fights.

RG – VoTF
1 – 0
2 – 0
3 – 0
4 – 0
4 – 1
4 – 2
4 – 3
5 – 3 (Ended up fighting on pugs so we disengaged)
6 – 3
7 – 3
7 – 4
7 – 5

To us this ended with 6 – 5 to RG (not including the fight on top of the spectators) so great fights to RG. Its a shame you guys called it we could have ended up even

Famous internal count Good job anyway that was cool.

Call it 7-5 if you wish, we will call it 6-5 due to the fighting on the spectators with that 1 fight, either way it doesn’t matter it was a great fight – Especially since we haven’t GvG’d since EMP in NA.

Empyre.2531:

Thanks to the VOTF guys for gvg tonight. Good fights.

Indeed, was very close! Great fights.

RG – VoTF
1 – 0
2 – 0
3 – 0
4 – 0
4 – 1
4 – 2
4 – 3
5 – 3 (Ended up fighting on pugs so we disengaged)
6 – 3
7 – 3
7 – 4
7 – 5

To us this ended with 6 – 5 to RG (not including the fight on top of the spectators) so great fights to RG. Its a shame you guys called it we could have ended up even

Pryda.8257:

We could actually play the game 6 months ago, with culling yes but that was a lot better than version 2 of culling and this annoying lag since last patch.

That source for your quote?

Pryda.8257:

Anet already stated they can’t fix the skill lag. So yeah, better kitten on blobs than asking Anet to do something since they won’t.

Do you have a source for that quote?

Screenager.7804:

good fights all round and I got kitten somewhere of votf essentially fighting ALL of vizunah on the map

This fight lasted ages but the viz’s died in the end

Blobbing is part of the game and will not change, even if Arenanet implement a few changes to the game such as wXP limited to the first 10 people who “tag” an objective to increasing the limit on AOE damage, people will still blob up – especially when they are about to lose something such as a keep and asking them not to blob up is essentially like asking them not to play the game – It wont happen.

While some guilds feel the need to attack the “blob” and basically bash their head on a wall covered in spikes/glass/whatever else that hurts you could be using this very essential amount of effort in discussing the lag situation and attempting to explain to Arenanet why it is imperative that it is fixed sooner rather than later.

Running without a commander tag with 30-35 people on me and hitting a zerg of 100+ players is great fun, wiping that zerg is even more fun but the problem within this is the fact the fight reduces itself quite quickly into spam autoattack and hope to the server gods that you are able to get a utility off or spam your heal 30s before you need it… That is not how this should be, the game should allow for these fights to go ahead and for the 30-35 men to be able to play at their full ability and wipe the floor with the 100 man zergs. While we have already managed to do this it is extremely difficult especially with skill lag involved without lag it would remove a huge advantage for the zerg and give those of us wanting to run around in smaller groups the ability to counter it.

tl;dr
Stop kittening about the blob and start talking about the lag and how important it is to fix so we remove a handicap from ourselves and remove a huge advantage of the blob.

Chiolas.1326:

Rhino.7863:

Message Body length must be less than 5001.

Stuff

You make so many contradictions in your post that it is hard to know where to start. You say SFR is the “same old” server but then you go on to say it has changed. You say that SFR isnt a bandwagon server but then go on to berate ANet of the handling of the free transfers to medium pop servers (which turned SFR into a bandwagon server). You don’t need to have created a server intentionally for it to be a bandwagon server, thats why OSC and ECL are leaving (and why NOE left and why RIOT are now considering it I believe?)

SFR is not the same server we were a part of and we enjoyed our time on SFR, we also enjoyed our time on SoS when we were asked to go and assist in the EU timezone by two guilds who then went on to transfer the week we transferred to SoS so we stayed with the server until we weren’t getting good fights any-more. When we decided to come back we decided upon Deso for better fights since so many guilds had transferred to SFR.

As for not being in VoTF – I can assure you the feeling is very much mutual after you showed just how much respect you hold for a guild you were previously in. You know exactly what im talking about.

Rhino showed his opinion on why he wasnt enjoying SFR when we transferred off and it can be neither right or wrong since it was how he was feeling at the time and I must say most of us felt the same when we transferred.

Suffice to say we are enjoying Desolation, SFR isnt the same server it once was, people are dying and the world is still turning.

graverr.6473:

Chemsorly.3674:

Troma.3250:

Other thing, someone linked me this :

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkXY8Mvr8-VmdDNPOWhCTkxvbmJrWlVGbzVvek43Z3c#gid=0

you should move it or delete it. I do not want to see this thing

thats from last week
and it will leak in the future anyway, regardless if we hide/delete/bake a cake with it

Hehehe i would love to see how the deso spread sheet looks like .Someting like ?

red IRON
green IRON
blue IRON
EB IRON

:D

Not at all as the leadership of IRON will tell you IRON play a big part on Desolation but Iron are not desolation, there are plenty of smaller guilds that put in huge amounts of effort and hours to ensure we stay where we are and I would like to thank all those involved in keeping Deso where we are. Deso is a PVE centralised server (which is why we are marked as “Very High”) and very few of us on the server focus entirely on World vs World. While some are trying to get the PvE guilds more involved in WvW I personally don’t see it was a very beneficial effort (since they will get roflstomped in T1 – but maybe im proven wrong) but there are many other guilds who might not be the same size of Iron or even that of VoTF but they do their damnedest to help the effort in WvW.

Sjaakie.1470:

I wonder why there are somany Desolation reactions on how bad SFR is. How they should step up their game and organize better and other bla bla bla. Looking at the score they are still way ahead, so maybe (even with a sucky organisation and other bla bla bla) they beat you. Maybe ask yourself how well you are organized? And don’t start about numbers in WvW because if they do have more players as a medium populated server, I think, it is your server which is badly organized.

Considering the organised guilds that Desolation have I am quite impressed with how well we are doing. Vizunah command the blob and play their own special little game of hide the lootbags in the tower/keep and defend with siege! SFR have plenty of organised guilds that are able to pad out their maps, deso are a split between the two where we have pugs and very few guilds to hold a map up so those of us who are here are working very hard in order to keep us where we are, not to say that SFR arent working as hard but there is more room for error when on SFR since there are more organised guilds (and in turn people who know how to WvW, or should do at least that form the group of pugs) while deso has PvE players who rarely play WvW jumping on the map quite often and finding out exactly what T1 WvW is.

I appreciate that some people have “server spirit” but for anyone to say that the guilds on Deso aren’t putting in an exemplary job considering our position or that we aren’t organised in order to achieve what we are currently attaining is obviously either very badly misinformed or simply an idiot.

P.S After reading the previous posts I dont see any really saying SFR arent doing “good enough” its mostly circle jerking over “we wiped you a million times, and loot bags yo!”.

Lots of fun on Deso borderland last night. Needed a quick power-nap!

Screen-shot taken at about 5am.

It works now.

EB works quite fine on EU T1 but trying to get onto deso borderlands is a huge no no, it continues to load and once you quit and come back into the game it says its loading you into an unknown borderland… and then crashes.

Since we’re posting full-houses it took 14 VoTF about 9 PUGS fighting for about 3 hrs to get to this point. We even had a full night-squad of SFR come to play whom eventually left the map to let us take control of everything.

What a fun night (Screenshot taken a day or two back).

Anatolian Turk.4057:

im going to post some screen shots from last night taken inside SFR garrison. Viz and Deso were all attacking SFR garri at the same time but SFR managed to stopped them from capping.

Just look at the orange swords in the first SS, we were being attacked on 3 sides lol.

The same thing was happening the night before on Deso with Viz and SFR attacking from either side on Garrison, doesn’t meant they were teaming up they were just taking the opportunity to knock our doors together, even though we wiped both sides multiple times whenever they knocked and then they gave up

Nice bags!

Hellawaits.1973:

Aneu.1748:

Raniri.6178:

Aneu.1748:

HeidivonderAlm.7460:

short observation: ECL has Fanboys… ….
I don’t have well to mention any names or Tags… ^^

You would probably have more fanboys if you stuck around and started to fight more rather than porting away or running.

VoTF 40 + GH 25 + Pugs 15 = 80 VS. 20 ECL + 10 Pugs = Overskill [VoTF]

ECL think VoTF is the best Guild in GW 2 !

votf uploads videos where you can see how they gank 20 people with 60

MUCH RESPECT – GW 2 best BLOB GUILD

by the way, does the V in VoTF stand for V to the a to the gina ?

http://i.imgur.com/pj7sIuu.jpg

GH havent been on the map in force for quite some hours now. SIN/ECL/BG continually attacking one part of Garrison while the Vizrat blob attack from watergate for about an hour or so and I believe u both wiped 4 times in succession, possibly more (thought I would be nice) but it was a good try. I’m sure we have a few more pics/videos – we may make a montage to your running experience.

You should better post a screenshot of your arrow cart zoom hacker. What a shame that you need such things to kill siege weapons behind walls.

http://i.imgur.com/GPrDIkf.jpg

The box on the screen is an open area where you can see behind, no hacks required to kill the siege behind it

graverr.6473:

Aneu i have to ask.Are you trying to win the trollympics ?

Nah..I don’t really have to :P.But jokes apart really bad energy from any of your posts considering you are a GM /sadface.Well,moving on.Gonna watch a marathon of X vs O now but imo X really needs a nerf.

These forums are extremely boring without a bit of jolly competitiveness :P

Raniri.6178:

Aneu.1748:

HeidivonderAlm.7460:

short observation: ECL has Fanboys… ….
I don’t have well to mention any names or Tags… ^^

You would probably have more fanboys if you stuck around and started to fight more rather than porting away or running.

VoTF 40 + GH 25 + Pugs 15 = 80 VS. 20 ECL + 10 Pugs = Overskill [VoTF]

ECL think VoTF is the best Guild in GW 2 !

votf uploads videos where you can see how they gank 20 people with 60

MUCH RESPECT – GW 2 best BLOB GUILD

by the way, does the V in VoTF stand for V to the a to the gina ?

http://i.imgur.com/pj7sIuu.jpg

GH havent been on the map in force for quite some hours now. SIN/ECL/BG continually attacking one part of Garrison while the Vizrat blob attack from watergate for about an hour or so and I believe u both wiped 4 times in succession, possibly more (thought I would be nice) but it was a good try. I’m sure we have a few more pics/videos – we may make a montage to your running experience.

You’re kidding right?

HeidivonderAlm.7460:

short observation: ECL has Fanboys… ….
I don’t have well to mention any names or Tags… ^^

You would probably have more fanboys if you stuck around and started to fight more rather than porting away or running.

Fun fun on Deso map tonight

My question got ignored (or un-noticed!) and is quite important to a lot of guilds that attempt not to run in a huge blob of zergdeath. Any response would be much appreciated.

Can you give a little insight behind the veil at Anet regarding the whole siege turtling on keeps/towers vs open field fights. Which do you try to promote, which do you think is more fun to the community and do you think there will be a realisation soon that allowing these “blobs” to sit inside towers/keeps holding bottlenecks really does add quite a large sum of frustration to the game and as such a decrease in HP on reinforced/fortified doors/walls might help in this regard as it will promote offensive defence as opposed to the current turtle strat.

Good luck Habib, keep in touch!

Pryda.8257:

Why would a couple GH follow you when they were still playing?

You make no sense with this comment. Ask GH why they were following us. Point is someone brought up “You had 45 in your voice com” while in actual fact we had 26 people in WvW and a few assorted GH who were following us.

Pryda.8257:

Aneu.1748:

Kraken.7514:

I find quite pathetic all this eeee-peeeen kitten VoTF is throwing in the forums bragging about wiping this and wiping that.

Knowing they had 45 guys on their voice chat + al the pugs that where tagging along with them, proud of wiping 20+ people and accusing others of blobbing… really?

Whatever, certain peoples needs of atention and fame at the cost of others is shocking.

It is sad to see that finally they put a decent patch for WvW and the community is just destroying the game by running this unrealistic numbers on the maps.

26 in the WvW channel actually with a couple of GH to add to the mix who were following a non-tagged commander.

Had is past in english.

Were is too…

Kraken.7514:

I find quite pathetic all this eeee-peeeen kitten VoTF is throwing in the forums bragging about wiping this and wiping that.

Knowing they had 45 guys on their voice chat + al the pugs that where tagging along with them, proud of wiping 20+ people and accusing others of blobbing… really?

Whatever, certain peoples needs of atention and fame at the cost of others is shocking.

It is sad to see that finally they put a decent patch for WvW and the community is just destroying the game by running this unrealistic numbers on the maps.

26 in the WvW channel actually with a couple of GH to add to the mix who were following a non-tagged commander.

Cyril.1486:

VOTF the new IRON Desolation has rubbed off on you.

http://postimg.org/image/iht1who8f/

Indeed.

Just because you wiped quite a lot tonight doesn’t mean you need to jump on the forum throwing shade like a diva. I’m attempting to wind sacrx up in game but that’s just for the lol’s

This cant be serious? Why not increase keep door/wall HP while you are at it? And also change the name of the game to TurtleWars.

SFR isnt under the “free transfer” tag. Anet have selected the servers it seems that will get free transfers and SFR isnt one of them.

Sacrx.6721:

This patch is totally epic. Love the culling enjoyed taking down 80+ viz with 20 of us. We was kinda light tonight after no que issues so alot logged till tomorrow. kitten looking forward to it. Anet pulled it off very impressed now for the skill lag that still shows up at times.

One thing is clear now guilds who will have some balls. Since you do not need commander anymore to run as guild.

I found that they ran away considerably more tonight than usual.

After uninstalling and reinstalling my “phasing” issue seems to be fixed!

http://i.imgur.com/m6CWMQG.jpg

Revans.2018:

Aneu.1748:

GrandmaFunk.3052:

Aneu.1748:

Culling is -not- removed. There is a universal limit on all servers of 300 I believe

Seeing as the population cap for a given WvW map is lower than 300… what’s the problem?

Pets/clones/NPC’s

Don’t get me wrong, it is far better than it was and view distance is far better but it has not been “removed” so to speak.

You’re too caught up in semantics, relax.

If there’s really 300 characters/pets/NPCs on the screen, what are the chances you would be able to notice that 301st person? If there were that many people there your skills wouldn’t work anyway so to me culling is no longer an issue in any situation.

After playing for 30min after servers came up we had around 40 people in WvW from Deso, there were similar numbers from SFR and Viz around our tower. My point is that there is still “phasing” involved and the “name plates only” option isnt actually an option just yet, name plates render first then the players after – there isnt an option to just have name plates only.

We engaged SFR first only to not see any Vizunah move towards us until we moved away and they “phased” in then we engaged them and more SFR phased in right on top of us. There was also a situation where Viz had ranged players sitting near the tower that werent “phasing” in at all. There is still plenty to do but it is much better.

GrandmaFunk.3052:

Aneu.1748:

Culling is -not- removed. There is a universal limit on all servers of 300 I believe

Seeing as the population cap for a given WvW map is lower than 300… what’s the problem?

Pets/clones/NPC’s

Don’t get me wrong, it is far better than it was and view distance is far better but it has not been “removed” so to speak.

Rackhir Tanelorn.9123:

Culling is removed (It’s a Server Side Issue).

Graphical Rendering Delays are better with the changes if you lower the settings but still exist, especially for lower-end machines.

Two separate issues often confused by players.

Culling is -not- removed. There is a universal limit on all servers of 300 I believe, in addition whether it is server side or client side if there is still a phase in and out you can call it what you wish but it is still -culling-.

nahj.2870:

KrazyFlyinChicken.5936:

Im seeing a lot of whining and screaming about skins.
No one is talking about the removal of culling.

I’d like to assume that culling is, in fact, totally fixed then? Since no one’s whining about it?

Im stuck at work . Can anyone confirm that culling is a thing of the past. Can you see the enemy zerg coming at you from 1500+ range?

WvW is down at the moment, so no one can really get in and test it out. It’s also WvW only so we can’t test it in PVE in the meantime.

VoTF got in for about 30min prior to WvW being taken down. Culling has improved while we were having a 3 way but its has not been removed from the game at all. You can see 1500+ range with enemies but not if there is a kitten ton of them on screen culling is still quite selective and sometimes you cannot see enemies or their name plates.

Culling has not been -removed-