Guild Wars 2

Can we please, for the love of god, get the ability to remove titles they are really annoying and clusterup player names also.

Queues seem to have been removed? It gives you an error about your “party member” not being on your world and no option to queue.

Culling has changed, I wont say improved or got worse but very interesting. I was under the impression there would be an option for name tags only but this doesn’t seem to be in the game right now. Culling is very interesting right now so I really dont want to pass judgement after only having a couple of fights but im glad to see some form of improvement in regards to view range.

Equilibrium.4296:

Jackie.1829:

Equilibrium.4296:

I love how this thread shows guild pride, too bad leaders have too short memory… Good thing there is YT for this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69_93G2IqdM

I wonder when your next gvg is going to happen, you guys should be able to do better than Rg 15-0 Votf this time I think.

For the rest of the matchup seems quite fun, even after beeing the same kitten all over the foruns

Whats in that video there isnt GvG, and for all intents and purposes we wiped them that day as well, as well as other days. Its a nice video, but I could just as easily have made one of us wiping RG this week and they know theyve wiped to us anyways.

That doesnt change the fact that Riot did not at any point ever in this game wipe us 6 times in 1 night. Just because we lose sometimes does not mean we cannot have guild pride.

And in any case, whoru? You dont seem like anybody significant anyways, vicarious victories much?

Only if you ignore the taunt from aneu saying you guys havent wiped, to anyone…
I posted the vid for that exactly, noone was talking about gvg so far, cuz I havent seen any gvg take place for a few weeks
And yes I love guild pride, gives another depth to things

My friend, if you are going to quote me then you may want to quote it correctly rather than attempt to skew the discussion.

6 times? We havent wiped 6 times in total per single night that I can actually recall, let alone against RIOT. Unless you are talking about single people or groups of 5 running around?

That is the quote, which is “We havent wiped 6 times in a single night to anyone” now you post a youtube video that shows general engagement practice between us and RedGuard (minus the two fights that extended slightly longer than that). We were practising some new initiation techniques we were trialling for that night to see the outcome, RG knew this as I was in contact with Sacrx while this was going on and why we would disengage after the initial push (otherwise we would have been circling each-other for quite some more time). Looking at how many people we had downed and who had survived since we were trailing a few other builds also. I appreciate the videos name is a bit ambiguous and doesn’t actually give a real overview of what was going on.

Mizu.9387:

@VotF
You can be however leet you want, because I can, with absolute certainty, guarantee that RiOT scores more kills and more Points then VotF. .

I’m speechless right now…

Nymph of Meliai.6739:

Last night VoTF got the better of us (RiOT) several times. It was a bit of back and forth though, VoTF took us from the rear each time and Deso numbers were much larger than RiOT numbers… but still a lot of fun. Makes up for the time we wiped VoTF 6 times in their garrison a couple of weeks ago. Swings and roundabouts. As long as we are all having fun, dieing is preferrable to running.

6 times? We havent wiped 6 times in total per single night that I can actually recall, let alone against RIOT. Unless you are talking about single people or groups of 5 running around?

SAC.7862:

Aneu.1748:

so we decided to take Garrison and Hills (and both north towers) then jumped onto SFR to take our hills back only to come face to face with about 30-40 sin, which was fun. They got inside then we killed about 10 and they got away Then we went to play with Vizunah for a little while.

All in all a good reset.

at 5 am we were 20 max (more like 10 tobf) which is when i went to sleep, not sure what happened inside, i logged off right when we destroyed the golem that you were building and so did our commander and several more.

You seemed to be far more than 10, will have to look at the fraps of it. We were able to see your numbers when you started walking across the outer ramparts and spread out which showed more than 20 (About 25 Sin with assorted pugs), we also killed about 10 and id say most of you got away at the south point of hills (I got 10 kills) so it was up there in the 30s

(Note: I attributed sins name with it since u were the majority, far easier for me to do than to list each pug guild name)

jehe.4503:

Aneu.1748:

then jumped onto SFR to take our hills back only to come face to face with about 30-40 sin, which was fun. They got inside then we killed about 10 and they got away Then we went to play with Vizunah for a little while.

let me laught, siN start the reset with 33 ppl, and when we saw VOTF siN got 22 guys, how u saw 30-40 siN ?, we join hill without supplies when u guys kill the lord and just wait VOTF to come to fight, but never fight just stay in inner mid gater building rams. Yes we port out, coz we raid off, not why we scared.

Read above, as I said I attributed sin’s name since u were the majority of the force. We did actually come out and fight but most of your force ran down south, we were 12 VoTF with about 5 randoms just so u know

salluks.6017:

Aneu.1748:

salluks.6017:

seriously wtf is wrong with SFR/VS, we have 1 tower in both ur BL’s and u come and hit it with 50 people and leave the other team alone..

why so much double focus!

Its called taking advantage of a weak enemy. Plus Vizunah will want to remain in Tier 1 which means a focus on Desolation is advantageous for them especially when trying to retain points close or equal to SFR.

Lets stop the crap of calling double-teaming when its just playing the game like its meant to be played.

taking advantage of 1 tower and leaving half of the BL alone?

makes a lot of sense to me.
btw am not accusing of double teaming, like SFR and VS do all the time, i was jsut curious about the focus.

10 points is 10 points, especially if you can take it with minimal effort, what would you rather do if you were playing the points game? Go for an under defended tower or attack a tower which has siege and players constantly in it?

salluks.6017:

seriously wtf is wrong with SFR/VS, we have 1 tower in both ur BL’s and u come and hit it with 50 people and leave the other team alone..

why so much double focus!

Its called taking advantage of a weak enemy. Plus Vizunah will want to remain in Tier 1 which means a focus on Desolation is advantageous for them especially when trying to retain points close or equal to SFR.

Lets stop the crap of calling double-teaming when its just playing the game like its meant to be played.

Well last night was great fun. Thanks to all those who were on Viz with us and the opportunism taken from both Viz and SFR made us work kitten hard to keep our bay. At reset we had about 35 VoTF on the map dealing with OSC/ECL/RIOT and some great fights were had (all of which ended up on the enemy on the floor or running), then we went down to around 27 people and RNV came onto the map to backup the rest of SFR which is when it got very interesting, we lost around a quarter of our guys at a multi-push from all the SFR guilds near their spawn tower but managed to hold off against a wipe and so decided to turtle inside the tower and let them come to us (naturally, since they outnumbered us quite significantly) then on their first push they all wiped and on the 2nd attempt they decided to attack our bay to pull us out of their tower (nasty people!).

Once things had calmed down a bit and we owned our side of the map on Vizunah and the two northern towers we went on to do our own night-capping which lead us onto a Desolation Borderland of which we owned nothing, so we decided to take Garrison and Hills (and both north towers) then jumped onto SFR to take our hills back only to come face to face with about 30-40 sin, which was fun. They got inside then we killed about 10 and they got away Then we went to play with Vizunah for a little while.

All in all a good reset.

Genev.2450:

Dalure.4691:

always outnumbered never outmannend……

Yeah, i noticed we often have about 20 people afking in warcamp when i felt we should’ve been outmanned

Doesn’t mean we can’t win. We had an entire force of Vizunah (about 90 or so) attacking our hills a couple of days ago, they got the wall down and we managed to hold them off with about 30 VoTF and 10-15 assorted other players. We had the out manned buff on too! Was quite the epic fight. Will check to see if any of my guys frapsed it.

Was one of the most epic fights i’ve had to date tbh.

Raniri.6178:

Aneu.1748:

Some great fights tonight on SFR, quite the shock to see Vizunah more willing to fight open field than OSC, ECL and some other SFR guilds.

Good tactic , u need to group up three guilds together to give us a real challange

E_____P_____I_____C______!

Considering we were following you from the north supply camp to the south attempting to get you to fight I cant see how just VoTF ghosting you means we have 3 guilds. The only time we combined was attacking hills (which was required but if you noticed VoTF sat at the north hills while the other guilds sat at south so you would come out, and you did, but then you died). Then at Cragtop but again, if you didnt notice the other guilds were focused on getting the gate down (as we asked) while we were focused on wiping you guys over and over, which was fun!

So if you want to talk about only fighting when you have 2 or 3 other guilds around you, maybe you might want to look at your own engagements (or lack thereof) – like the north east supply camp where we were all on our own and engaged you and you all scattered like rainbow colored butterflies in the wind – but when we hit Cragtop you gladly engaged us after OSC did, funny that, right?

Kraken.7514:

What just happened in VZ garri was really pathetic.

30 mins farming you sad people, +400 kills and you keep using that lame banner ress on lord.

It kinda ruined the good fights we had all evening.

Keeping the VZ spirit up and running!

OSC and co were using the same thing on SFR Garrison…

Some great fights tonight on SFR, quite the shock to see Vizunah more willing to fight open field than OSC, ECL and some other SFR guilds.

ethier.3417:

All i see is a bunch of band wagoner servers, Calling a server that started with Low Population and built up a strong wvw server band wagoners.

Unlike VZ and Deso, SFR was in t8 at launch we didn’t have all the cool kids jump to the big population servers. We built our community from the bottom up. We built on what we needed, and got some great guilds.

I can’t help but laugh when i see comments about SFR being the band wagoners.

Cant the same be said about every other server then if you consider SFR built from the “bottom up”? Every other server has had transfers too, that can be classed as “building a server” so calling other servers band wagoners while saying SFR isn’t because other servers had transfers just like SFR is a bit hypocritical don’t you think?

Habib Loew.6239:

I should clarify here again that the culling fix will have minimal impact on skill lag. Skill lag happens because the server too busy to process everything that’s happening (e.g. it’s at 100% CPU). The removal of culling addresses issues experienced by the client but those changes don’t really impact the skill lag situation. They are fundamentally different problems that will need different solutions.

Why is it that this has only been quite the concern recently? Having taken part in many a large battle since the launch of the game I must say that it has only been the last month or so that huge lag spikes have been a problem for me. Has something changed on the back end of things? Is there a pending fix for this?

Also having played on both NA and EU servers the skill delay issue is far less noticeable in NA and that’s with the in-built issue of connecting with NA servers from EU (taking experiences from resets so max filled out maps being compared here).

Pryda.8257:

This 2v1 is ridiculous, so ashamed to be part of that kitten.

What 2v1? I see no 2v1 going on, I see opportunism!

So the Viz “last stand” is happening at 4am. Its nice to see Vizunah hasn’t changed their tune!

Leorcyn.1063:

Sadly, the video is blocked in France :/

The final countdown – Spongebob Squarepants.

DrixTrix.7168:

who the hell is Wrench? been away for a while… :P

Wrench is VoTF’s late morning/early afternoon commander. He’s very sexy.

Wolfheart.1938:

Reduktion.5791:

And i have to say, i m disappointed that Wrench Crowbar has left us for Desolation.

WHAT?! Aww man, I loved that guy (no kitten ! That’s why I haven’t seen him for ages

Our beloved Wrench is currently away with his move but he will be making his mark on Desolation fairly soon I am sure

Genev.2450:

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This is in large where the problem stems from, and you can see it in your post. You equate skill to numbers which is something I am constantly against. Sure the lag has made the number of auto-attacks make a difference but in general terms when fighting larger numbers there are ways you can win that arent all that hard to figure out. All servers seem to tout their “militia” or “Pugs” and want to make the game as fun as possible for the “pugs” but is that fun really blue-balling the enemy to the extent that the only fight you get is one you know you will win as a fact? Or is it engaging in a fight that you have no conclusion drawn upon and you win through sheer willpower and skill? Which would you prefer? VoTF havent got to the point we are at today by blueballing people, neither has RG nor quite a few other guilds I know that will engage no matter what size you throw at them. We engage and look at our limits we then look at how we can improve on what we have. Why deny the casual player on any server that opportunity? Because commander ego’s want to be known for “Winning” every engagement?

Winning means a different thing to many people but to those of us who truly play GuildWARS 2 for fighting others who are good winning doesn’t always mean wiping the enemy, it means improving continually and finding new ways within which you can advance your approach to fighting other players. Blueballing is absolutely against this ethos, an ethos which you can actually derive success from, rather than the disgust inducing blueball / hide in keep tactics that seems to be prolific at the moment.

So I ask again, why aren’t pugs going to charge WL? Why not charge VoTF or RG or any other guild out there? What do you have to lose? If a tower or keep is under attack then why not just give it up freely because you will have to face said guild anyway. The best defense in this game is offense, keeping the enemy on the back foot even as a pug commander gives you an advantage and it is quite possible for commanders who are organized enough to control the “randoms” on a map to engage an organized guild and keep them held off in open field… You just need to try. If you die in open field what will you lose? Nothing! Thats right! Absolutely nothing but you may surprise yourself with a win, or a very small repair bill, either of which means you’ve had fun.

Kazuno.9218:

Well when i had the choice between run into a useless 99% chance of dying and being able to annoy a full bus of ennemies with siege weapon safely inside the fort… the descision is easy to make. Soooo sorry we don’t give you epic fight you’re so deeply searching for to satisfy your enormous ego.

I too am sorry that this attitude is now making sure your server is not only known as a complete hypocrisy to this game but also going to get you kicked out of your much loved Tier 1.

Troma.3250:

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You can quite easily check the PPT on that very nifty french website that shows Vizunah’s low PPT during european prime time and also your huge PPT advantage in early mornings for quite a while now. How is this a form of propaganda? Its fact…

VoTF is not a Russian guild, we are European and we also have some people from NA.

Point is, as most of my replies have attempted to show that Vizunah’s entire winning streak has been based upon the “blue ball” strategy that has been to reduce the game to nothing but bore tactics and annoyances for your enemies, and now you are paying the price. So you have a choice to make, you can either fight for your place (which seems to be somewhat happening from a small amount of Vizunians) or you can continue your blueball strategy and we will peel keep after keep and tower after tower away from you and reduce you to another tier.

Your servers past choices have repercussions and you are seeing them right now, make sure the decisions you make currently don’t put you in more of a mess than you are currently. Increasing your fight will give your players more fun, increasing your blueball strat will make the enemy servers dislike you even further. Its not hard to figure out.

Troma.3250:

As i repeated like 1000 times my dear Aneu, killing guilds with mixed groups can be very hard to manage for the “pug” commander. So i can understand it ! myself, when i had to lead the 3-4 first months (against Far Shiverpeaks for exemple) sometimes i didn’t have the choice !

Anyway it really depend on the troops in the mixed raid, sometimes it’s Fifilepetitguerrier, sometimes it’s François Le Destructeur, an heavy warrior with armored beret and striped iron jersey, magical baguette launcher +100% crit and frogs on steroid for pet.

Try to build a mixed raid, put your commander on, and charge WL for exemple. Tell me the result after

Why wouldn’t PUG’s charge WL? They will most likely die but whats wrong with that? This entire issue you have going on that seems to be about not wiping is just beyond a joke now. Preferring to sit inside a keep/tower on the kitten end of a cata/arrowcart simply cant be as fun as getting out there going toe to toe with an enemy, even if you die.

Almost everyone who plays this game doesn’t -want- to die but we all have at some point, some more than others and its part of the game, the only way pugs will improve is to throw them at situations that are quite difficult to deal with, put them in situations where they have to manage themselves in a way within which any mistake means they die.

We knew this would eventually happen and we knew it was only a matter of time before two servers fed up of Vizunah’s constant prattle about “being the best” but only actually being good a night-capping not at open field combat or anything else for that matter meant Vizunah wouldnt win, you also know that if this is kept up then the joyriders on your server who are simply used to easy-no nonsense wins will either quit GW2 or leave your server, its part of the evolution of most servers but why cant you just see that the fall of Vizunah is not down to anything other than your own inability to let yourselves and those you fight enjoy the game as it was intended, and not blue balling to the extreme (which has been going on for some time now, having experienced it on SFR and now also on Desolation).

Troma.3250:

Awesome plain fight with mixed Vizunians versus mixed RG/opt/sin and i even see Lani Ster in. Near VS Bay 5 minuts ago. Had a blast ! (and please, stop with the “VS stay hidden in castle lol”)

In a lot of cases its true, you have to break into a keep/tower in order to get a fight from Viz, we even put down lure trebs to get you out on the field sometimes and all you guys do it turtle inside the inner of the keep instead, quite the tactic (the same tactic that means servers generally dislike you and want to focus you out of T1, just saying).

Leorcyn.1063:

Wolfheart.1938:

I’m glad that you are playing for your fun, and if a sizeable bunch on your server finds golem rushing empty keeps fun then more power to them! To me though that’s cheap (doesn’t earn you my respect) and makes for non-pleasent matches (doesn’t make me like you). There, we have solved the mystery of “why so much VZ hate”. No hard feelings, just pointing that out.

Oh and by the way, it doesn’t help your cause at all when you elevate what is merely nightcapping to some kind of evolution or superior gaming or whatever.

Never said anywhere that “night-capping” was superior gaming. It’s just gaming, and it took other servers longer than VS to realize that.
Your cute, and sadly reductive, example of one VS action to make it look like it’s a regular thing on VS, is just the tree hiding the forest.
Sometimes, if you want the first spot, you have to take the points where they are. Is it the most fun we have in the match-up ? For some it might be, for others it is not. Who cares ? Who are you to judge ?
If one commander decided he wanted a golem rush and its squad said yay, why the eff would they do otherwise ? For your pleasure ? For the sake of not-taking-points-because-we’ll-be-called-names-on-the-forums ? Please.

In my opinion, which is very personal, you did not have fun playing against VS, because what you thought was the game, what you really believed deep down was the game …. was not the game. And some weeks you lost believing you did all the right things, you wrecked some VS zergs being twice your numbers, you killed a 5-man party by yourself…

I might be wrong, but I don’t believe for one second that SFR and Deso spent weeks or months building themselves to be perfectly able to counter VS to play the not-fun game in T1 (which they are atm, if we are using your standard for defining “fun” and “not fun”)
Nope, those servers built themselves to win. Because that’s what the game is about, and because winning is fun. If the fun was in T8 (or in T2), why bother ?
The whole thing is a bit hypocritical.

Considering the consensus reached by multiple servers that have fought Vizunah and the overall agreement between pretty much all that Vizunah’s play style is not only boring/not fun it is also damaging to the games entire ethos based around people fighting each other as opposed to blue-balling their enemies and focusing entirely on the aspect of taking undefended keeps/towers while they owners sleep.

I don’t see how anyone can feasibly defend this position, especially someone who is able to construct a post on a forum.

If you consider attacking doors on keeps fun and with it being the only thing that wins you “tier 1” (which ironically wins you nothing) then why play this game? There are many games out there that provide you far more of a return for your investment of time than GuildWars 2 does.

Thankfully the game seems to be going in a direction that encourages guilds to fight each-other now as opposed to the stagnancy proposed by some on Vizunah so lets hope this continues.

The lag tonight has been insane.

Tygra.4570:

Not sure Vizu will night cap, SFR proved to be really strong during the whole 24 hours.
Lets hope they are tired, or it’s gg tomorrow morning :o

cheers

So you now hold your hands up to night capping quite openly? I recall when we were on SFR you guys were in full denial mode about having people who night cap…

I believe Sacrx was attempting to illustrate Vizunahs PR face and the real face that lurks beneath. The fact they attempted to create an alliance with Desolation this week and were told kindly to “get stuffed” shows just exactly how misdirecting the individuals leading that server are. They will gladly win off another servers back and attempt to say they about “honor” and “server pride” but when you dig a little deeper you see exactly how far these individuals will go to win.

Point is, with this loss of Vizunah we hope it encourages them to come out of their towers/keeps a little more to fight rather than play the game from behind an arrowcart/cata.

Some guilds of note Id like to give props to this week. A combined RG and NoE force on reset, SINS for some epic fights, you guys just keep coming back and its refreshing. ZDs great team work with SINs it was hard fighting you both together but we managed to pull it off. HUPs and Last Pride for some great baiting work last night.

Great fun this week guys, lets ramp it up next week.

Aneu

Yemeth.5462:

Any reason why IRON and VoTF just came to SFR border and left it after 5 minutes without even finishing 1 fight? It is score game now for everyone even for you?

VoTF just this very second left SFR Bland. We have been there for around 3 hours now within which taking back our side of the map against a combined ZDs and SINS defense. Was a fun night. Some good play and organisation from ZDs and SINS attempting to pincer us a couple of times. Great fights in the supply camp especially up on the ramp just after we took out most of ZDs – SINS storm into us and the fight starts again. That was quite a close fight without many of our utilities being up but we pushed sins away.

Great fights vs Vizunah also with another 2 guild pincer movement.

Katiechops.6807:

Get on TS some time, I miss your empathy.

But yeah I tyhink a lot of guilds have had a hard time dealing with culling a bit but the skill lag is just tormenting organisised groups trying to work together. Just have to plod on and hope for better days soon 0/

We were having a 3way in Stonemist last night and to activate one utility it took me almost 13 seconds. My “empathy” and ability to express ones emotion was at an all time high right then!

The culling of late has been up and down, I’m guessing a new test was introduced without letting us know by Anet.

The lag that we have recently seen has been disastrous, even with a few people fighting the amount of lag experienced has made using any utis or organizing well formed pushes/etc… been made all but impossible.

With the lag what it comes down to essentially is who has the more people that can spam buttons, it has nothing to do with tactics or organization but simply who gets the most damage out, mitigation is somewhat negated due to the lag and uti’s not going which again makes things far harder for guilds who try to run on their own taking on larger numbers.

Blaming other players for this however is not the way to fix it

P.S Katiechops is a noob pigeon who smells a bit funny and talks really weird! :P

Zen.8497:

I honestly had respect for VoTF but I think it is pretty pathetic that at this moment in The Eternal Borderlands they are just helping JQ instead of taking objectives for their server. But then again if they loved challenge they would of have played on EU servers. Maybe they want to transfer to JQ and need to work that gold. Work it baby!

1- We are in Eternal Battlegrounds
2- We are fighting both sides equally, we have defended various points of ours but are there to have good fights and practice a few new tricks.
3- We have played on EU servers quite successfully.
4- JQ is not an option for us.

Try looking at more than a single engagement and basing our every move on it. We engaged a fight going on between the two other servers and generally if one side is winning then we will focus said winning side to equal it out and wipe both. Its not hard to figure out.

covenn.7165:

Brome.7036:

#1. VoTF by far is NA #1 guild in open field. No one else comes close.

#2. EMP, TW, Choo, SF, HB

#3. Foo, Tsym (maybe, bit sloppy) WM, FoE, PrX (maybe, Attrition)

#4. Fire, agg, merc

VotF #1 open field when I have seen them repeatedly wiped by a couple of the guilds you ranked below them? Interesting.

I’d certainly like examples of that claim.

Benjamin.7893:

Considering there is no GvG the best guilds are those that win the most points for their server.

Untill they create GvG and it becomes popular with tournaments and serious teams (which will never happen) there is no “best guild”. Right now those mentioned previously that are the best like RG, Votf, etc. consist of 50% keyboard turners where the only “strategy” is wearing p/v/t, having veils and spamming blast finishers into waterfields.

I had to laugh at this, especially the p/v/t part

Fixeon.5076:

I believe it was the SoR’s first full day in T1 when we ran into VoTF. When we first ran into them I was amazed by the way they had almost a full server worth of people in such a well coordinated guild group. It was not something we were use to dealing with. HB was the only guild who tried to do that in T2 and honestly they were no where near as big as VoTF or as well coordinated. However after a few hours we figured out how to fight VoTF even with 2-3:1 odds. And we were even able to take on 30 of them with nothing more than a bunch of pugs and a commander who didn’t understand English the next day. So while I do think VoTF is a very good guild top 5 on the American servers. I can’t say they are the best. Redguard and Foo I cant judge your skill as I have never gone up against you. TSym, PRX are mostly about their zerg size, very easy to deal with most of the time. SF, Hmmm what to say about SF…. They get talked about a lot, probably because they stream their raids. I would like to say they live up to the hype but they don’t. They are good but they are more about the numbers than skill. I have been seeing a lot of confusion spam from them lately which is a decent tactic but easy to counter. I would rate them between VoTF and PRX/TSym. They put more tactic into their group than those two but without their numbers they are little more than a speed bump much like PRX.

I’m unsure if this is a troll or if you actually believe what you wrote. VoTF at most is 40 players on the same map, usually we run with 2 groups or more spread out onto the map and we will combine when required to.

One thing I can say for certain is that we have -never- read -never- been wiped on NA with less numbers -ever- so I’m unsure where this 3-1 ratio comes into things. If we take your initial assumption as fact then we would run with around 130 members (which we don’t) and you are saying you have wiped that with 40 players. If you take our actual numbers which are around 40 and apply your 3-1 ratio then you managed to wipe us with 13 people – Which is impossible.

Once again I’m unsure if this is a troll but id appreciate knowing which guild you were from.

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Back on Topic, as Jackie said it depends what you base “WvW” around whether you consider face stomping to be the defining factor or point generation and a plethora of other factors that could come into it. On NA some of the best guilds to fight are PRX/Choo/SF/EMP and plenty more that form up, on EU it would be RG/IRON/KAZ/WL – some of the best fights we have had.

In straight up GvG its Probably determined 50/50 with build synergies and movement/reaction, in WvW there are more factors involved with the possibility of reinforcements and having to think more about defense and balancing up other factors that may be a cause not to engage or to play a different way.

There’s a lot more to be tapped into in GW2 and a lot more improvement to be made by all parties listed.

Aneu

Liquid.9672:

Ohai.8346:

welcome VotF to Sea of Sorrows! Finally some euro coverage

Interesting development if true. If so, welcome back to the NA bracket VotF, and grats on the pickup SoS.

It’s true.

Thank you for the welcome SOS.

Dalure.4691:

Aneu.1748:

Dalure.4691:

@ Aneu
This was all on resetday(so friday) my guild arent in wvw everyday unfortunately….so i hope you can rewind…cus i always get my fact straight hehe.

Thanks for your info about OSC i wondered what happend.

The -only- time FG wiped us on Reset was with 39 KAZ, 10 man IRON a full raid of yours and other deso pugs. We were 24 at that time. Also OSC wasnt on the map – Your facts really need a recheck (Check our videos, we posted that wipe up plus all the other times we fought you.)

Congrats.

haha then you are mistaken mate…try to record everything next time;) wiped you 4 times to be exact…i think one was even alot of fun…you guys were sieging briar with alot of VOTF and you had balistas up….ahh well you may be in denial….can’t fight against that;)
See ya ingame.

Considering I was the person who was running our raid on the reset I can assure you we did not wipe 4 times in total the entire night. We wiped twice and both times were to KAZ and assorted other groups, once included a group of your guys but at the time we were 24 people against 39 KAZ, 10 IRON, your guild plus assorted Deso pugs. The other time was also after that against the same KAZ group on the same supply camp due to them having siege that wasnt scouted out on an upper tier.

I’m sorry but it is quite blatant that you are trying to attract attention to your guild, you might want to do it some other way than on the forum by chest beating and throwing out lies (remember the OSC comment) . I see there is a reason why we are told by people on your server to plant rams on you and take pictures when we wipe you… Try some tact and building your name up in game before you attempt to brag on the forums about things you haven’t done.

Dalure.4691:

@ Aneu
This was all on resetday(so friday) my guild arent in wvw everyday unfortunately….so i hope you can rewind…cus i always get my fact straight hehe.

Thanks for your info about OSC i wondered what happend.

The -only- time FG wiped us on Reset was with 39 KAZ, 10 man IRON a full raid of yours and other deso pugs. We were 24 at that time. Also OSC wasnt on the map – Your facts really need a recheck (Check our videos, we posted that wipe up plus all the other times we fought you.)

Congrats.

Dalure.4691:

Hi all,
I see you started to flame without me;) ….so now there is enough of that….i wanna say something positive about this matchup……VOTF always fun to fight against you(we both never back down)…..one question tho….why when my guild (FG) wiped you a few times you ask OSC to back you up?? you dont need that support you had atleast 25+guildies….and for OSC your guild is getting worse in battles or we are getting better;) either way always fun for some GvsG fights inbetween tower/keep capping. Most threat was from VOTF only guild that roam alot as for OSC just sticking with zergs(alot of pugs) when they see us….guess i take that as a compliment. To my fellow Deso guild KAZ i always enjoy to merge our 2 guilds to wipe the bigger zergs(blobs)60+around us…. kitten you are a well organized and dedicated team.
We took garrison with swift and skills haha:D awesome.
But to end this positive for VOTF you wiped us aswell i see your scouts looking for my guild…i also will see that as a compliment;)
Deso even against all odds you keeping bringing your A game…../bow

If you want to say something positive you might want to get your facts straight. OSC wasnt on any map with us yesterday, possibly a single player or even a group of 5 but there was no organised raidgroup of OSC.

We spent most of yesterday fighting both Deso and Viz at the same time. We had 2 groups out, the group I was in didnt wipe at all from what I can recall, we had a 50% loss during one point when fighting in Garrison but the other half survived that quite easily, our other group wasnt as big and ran with randoms also, im unsure if you consider these pugs to be VoTF but I’ve just re-checked here also and there were no full wipes of that group either.

OSC are on a break at the moment so i’m unsure if you are thinking about last week or some other time but you really certainly cant be referring to any time recently since there hasn’t been an organised OSC group on the same map as us for quite some time now.

Sometimes it is good to come together and pat each other on the back and say “Good job”. Creating a positive atmosphere amongst servers is something we really want to help with and encourage going forward. Rivalries are sometimes far too much and Vizunah really do deserve our respect. Understanding that we should encourage everyone who plays GW2 is a key to keeping this game fresh and stagnation free. Blasting each other over forums has really served no purpose and for that I would like to rescind my words.

Sometimes in the heat of the moment you find that it is hard to monitor what you are saying and for that I can only apologise. Everyone makes mistakes, we are all human and this is a fundamental truth of that. Reality dictates that we should sometimes swallow our words and come to an understanding that it is better to take back what you have said than be too stubborn to do so. Vizunah, you are an awesome server, your fighters are hard working and put up some great fights, you put us through our paces and make us have to work for our position in the rankings. Even though we may not sometimes see eye to eye we can honestly respect the tactics you employ and the play-style you seem to enjoy so much. Respect to you Vizunah and your fierce fighting spirit.

aneu

I look forward to yours. We’re actually making a montage of Vizu running away at the moment.

Note: There were about 10 of you, and 13 of us in this video. Not a single shot was fired from Viz, it was all about getting away into a tower!

Zilly.3279:

Okey, sounds nice.

Can anet rename that to 2WvsW ?

Thanks

Those doors are ganging up on you? Hows the PvDoor going?

Troma.3250:

Aneu. You quoted the only french trolling forum and took it serious. Oh god.

And you took serious the DDoS thing? holy kitten, that’s why sometimes i hate jeuxonline. The main sport on this forum is trolling, taking it serious will do a kittenstorm of laugh for french when they will see your post :x

Attempt all the damage control you want, your server shows exactly what it stands for when they suggest ddosing.

wasted.6817:

Yet, VS is the only server in EU ladder which never left T1 once it got there. If being not as good is still good enough to be No. 1, then what’s the problem here.

@Aneu.1748
Now imagine, some french guy would post quotes from this topic with all the crap being said about VS and comment on them in same way you did. What exactly will it prove?

By all means find a post from a SFR (a true SFR person) who suggests ddosing or spreading lies/rumours around in order to cause conflicts with other servers. I implore you.

The continual excuses coming from the Vizunah side of this match up is totally ridiculous and repetitive. (Be aware this is something you created yourself with your continual blue balling and coward tactics)

If you don’t have guilds to compete with other guilds then merge some of your guilds, recruit more, train your members.

The other point I would like to make is that VoTF is not a zerg guild, at most we run with 40 people (with 5 people scouts generally – so about 35 at peak) and usually its around 30 people. We run whether we have 5 or 30 people, we don’t care if we wipe, we make sure we kill as many people as we can for each death we take.

I would like to directly reply to some things we have noticed from Vizunah that really doesnt make us appreciate your server at all.

These are posts that your servers members have made, whether they think they are funny or won’t be read then I am sorry but they are mostly just disgusting.

Pas mal comme stratégie mais y a toujours un risque. On pourrait également lancer des attaques par déni de service contre les joueurs de SFR pour les empêcher de se connecter et les obliger à retourner aux US.

Here one of your members makes the suggestion of using a DDOS attack in order to help your server out. You may condone ddosing because you can’t win any other way but this really is a disgusting comment.

Perso, malgré les match up épiques que nous offrent le mcm depuis la release, je regrette PA ( joker, furya,Bl entre autre) qui sont les seuls qui jouent comme on aimerait jouer plus souvent, du combat de plaine en 15vs15 par exemple.

Là depuis quelques match up on se tape que du mono bus de serveur et j’ai hâte d’avoir un challenge un peu plus basé sur le skill/optimisation de groupes etc…Nos adversaires ne le permettent pas.

Here you call every other server zergers and want smaller fights so if any 15 Vizunah want to fight 15 VoTF then by all means give us a time and a place and we will be there.

Les Votf ils sont bon pour te buser la gueule a 40 mais pour prendre un fort ils ont aucune capacité de réflexion, ils feraient bien de demander des cours aux prx. Hier pendant le prime ils ont passé la soirée a ouvrir P1 baie , faire du sac et repartir… Sans jamais prendre de risques disproportionnés ni nous mettre suffisamment en danger pour prendre baie … Resultat sur map bleu prime d’hier assez pauvre.

Here you say VoTF is only good at zerging, that we arent very good at anything else and we are bad at sieging. Let me explain to you that we don’t want to siege, we want to fight, that is what we consider fun in this game, we gain enough towers or keeps without using much siege at all. We can siege if we really want to, we just prefer actually having good fights against decent opponents.

On a sûrement les ressources et les moyens de les contrer, alors je ne sais pas faudrait peut-être s’organiser des primes spécialement dédicacé à “ce soir on wipe les votf/osc..” pour se focaliser sur les combats de plaine au lieu du score.

Here you talk about creating specific forces to engage the guilds you cant kill, by all means go ahead with this and we will be more than willing to fight you.

Ben on a qu’à prendre les devants si Deso monte: on monte un putain de drama entre IRON et Prx sur le fofo off, genre un bon mytho qui foutre le bordel en tre les 2 et qui fera qu’ils vont essayer de se la mettre entre eux.et nous on regarde.

Here some of your members attempt put forward an idea of creating a “lie” to cause problems between IRON and PRX. Kind of underhanded.

Envoyé par Karnax Posted Image
jcrois que gc avait créé une gu pour les joueurs offpeak, vizunah night ou qqchose comme ça.
ce serait pas le moment de la reactiver??
La Visunah Night Watch normalement

Here you name your night capping groups. Even though you proclaim to not have any.

There are plenty more examples of posts I could have used but this is just a couple that already put a bad taste in my mouth.

DyslexicDwarf.6249:

Jackie.1829:

DyslexicDwarf.6249:

Jackie.1829:

DyslexicDwarf.6249:

[VotF] – Absolute respect to your defence of SM just now. Crazy numbers. Naive of me to think it would be so simple ;D

Were about 20 players :P I have the fraps of wiping the golem rush as proof of that

No way there was only 20 of you! No way :P

Just for you <3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSgMqTE2IHs

wow, even more respect! nice response, really nice <bows/> You cut through us like butter there tbh.

Also, thanks for sharing that. You highlighted some serious weakness in our organisation.

We get accused of zerging an awful lot but generally we don’t run with many people, we are just organised and work well together. Ask Viz and they think we run with about 200 people

P.S That was me asking which map has the most Vizunah points on…

Parthis.2091:

Killver.7653:

Victory.2879:

VoTF having a guild meeting in Hills for hours last night, not doing anything useful (except holding bay, so not entirely useless I guess)..from an outsiders perspective that showed a lot of disrespect to the rest of the server as well as an attitude that you think you are ‘leet’. Maybe you just didn’t think about it (or didn’t care), but you lost a lot of respect pulling that stunt. May as well join the jump puzzle campers. Not impressed. The rest of us got on with things, fighting off bigger numbers and holding stuff despite your ‘guild meeting’. You become an OOR (Object of Ridicule) on our vent for last night, grats!

Hmm that sounds harsher than it should, sorry I know you guys are capable of doing a good job. Please continue the good fight.

I don’t understand why you need to post such things in a public forum.

Because it’s funny for the rest of us. The image it paints. VoTF, prancing around comparing Dye combinations.

Comparing pinks is exceedingly difficult in this game!

Let me just add an addendum to the above. MORT have our respect for actually sticking it out and fighting tonight, every other Viz guild inclusive of War Legend simply turn around and run away.

We are disappoint and I think its time Vizunah gives its spot to someone else in WvW.

Pusanger.4091:

The rumors are true by 50%. The agreement was concluded only between rusian guilds of Seafarer and Deso. They fight only against the VS and do not capture objects allies.

I am very disappointed because I wanted deserved 1st place for my server w/o 2vs1.

Actually, we just gave IRON bay because we were leaving the map and didnt want Vizunah to take it, we’re now on 5/5 with keeps.

This is directly to Vizunah, until you actually fight properly, rather than run away like your kitten is on fire every time we engage you or you see our tag we will do our utmost to make sure you lose this match-up, if that means handing out keeps to Desolation then that is what we will continue to do.

Toversletje.9345:

imagine the hate if we could communicate with other servers in game. good thing we cant anyway good luck to all of you. you will probably see this Desolator in the JP

If we could it would just make the competition that much more interesting and fierce as peoples emotions would be involved rather than having kitten contests on a forum.

Had quite a bit of fun tonight in EB after we took SM back off Desolation we let most of the outer walls fall and simply decided to defend inside. We let Deso get in first to the lord then wiped them, then we thought we best not let Vizunah feel left out so we left them get to the lord to, waited until they started capping and then jumped them and wiped them out too…

Nothing shows how much you care for another servers confidence like letting them feel all warm n fuzzy about an easy cap and then jumping on them and using their own limbs to beat their friends…

VoTF – Because we care about you… honest.