Guild Wars 2

tluv.5821:

Aneu.1748:

In arenanets eyes GvG is seen as the following:
Too much drama.
Not that competitive.
Difficult to monetize.

To create a specific WvW map for 20something guilds it would require resources that Anet simply will not allocate to a game-mode they feel will not be simple to monetize.

The most likely event to happen would be that GvG gets linked to sPvP and a large TDM is created – but lets be real here, its probably not going to.

Anet will not attempt to push the WvW game mode or even advertise it as a mode that is focused around guilds of 20-30 players, this would alienate large swathes of randoms, bigger guilds and smaller guilds. Its not something any company would realistically do since it would have repercussions on their income.

They created the coliseum as a way to appease the GvG scene but quite clearly that was a pointless exercise.

Anet are going to focus their development resource on areas of the game that are easy to monetize, attract larger amounts of players or return the most amounts of players.

I am on the same side of the fence as almost everyone here, I loved the GvG game mode, it was great fun while it lasted but sadly, as most of you should realize, especially those who have fought at the higher ends of the GvG spectrum, nothing has changed over the past few years for a reason. GvG is not a game mode that Arenanet wish to support, its not a game mode they wish to incorporate into what they consider the mainstream of their game. The higher ups have already made their distaste for the game mode quite clear.

I commend all of you who have participated in this thread, however it really is not going to change much and will fall on deaf ears, once again.

Regards,
Aneu

P.S – Lets hope that in the future I have to eat humble pie and something changes, I won’t hold my breath however.

I’m going to counter nearly everything you said.

1) There’s the same amount of drama regardless which game mode there is.
2) Gvg Is more competitive than WvW.
3) you said separate WvW map. We aren’t talking about WvW.

You don’t seem to understand that I’m not giving my opinion. I’m saying how Arenanet see it. The amount of drama that has been around the GvG game mode has been quite large for Anet, banning discussions on GvGs a while back and also the GvG guilds taking quite a vocal position in the WvW forums has lead them to that conclusion.

GvG is for sure more competitive than WvW but the player count of those playing GvG and WvW are incredibly different, hence the semi-support for WvW and the lack of for GvG.

If GvG was to be supported then it would require some form of segregation to make it competitive. Whether in an sPvP environment or its own WvW map.

I agree by and large with almost all the people supporting this – but the sad fact of the matter is that Arenanet does not agree with it and they are the ones who make the decisions.

In arenanets eyes GvG is seen as the following:
Too much drama.
Not that competitive.
Difficult to monetize.

To create a specific WvW map for 20something guilds it would require resources that Anet simply will not allocate to a game-mode they feel will not be simple to monetize.

The most likely event to happen would be that GvG gets linked to sPvP and a large TDM is created – but lets be real here, its probably not going to.

Anet will not attempt to push the WvW game mode or even advertise it as a mode that is focused around guilds of 20-30 players, this would alienate large swathes of randoms, bigger guilds and smaller guilds. Its not something any company would realistically do since it would have repercussions on their income.

They created the coliseum as a way to appease the GvG scene but quite clearly that was a pointless exercise.

Anet are going to focus their development resource on areas of the game that are easy to monetize, attract larger amounts of players or return the most amounts of players.

I am on the same side of the fence as almost everyone here, I loved the GvG game mode, it was great fun while it lasted but sadly, as most of you should realize, especially those who have fought at the higher ends of the GvG spectrum, nothing has changed over the past few years for a reason. GvG is not a game mode that Arenanet wish to support, its not a game mode they wish to incorporate into what they consider the mainstream of their game. The higher ups have already made their distaste for the game mode quite clear.

I commend all of you who have participated in this thread, however it really is not going to change much and will fall on deaf ears, once again.

Regards,
Aneu

P.S – Lets hope that in the future I have to eat humble pie and something changes, I won’t hold my breath however.

If there is to be a fix for this, it revolves around a deep rooted change behind the entire WvW point system. Not tinkering at the edges.

Widebody.5071:

It seems like instead of balanced matches people would rather have unequaled gank fests.
How can someone complain about unbalanced matches turn around and champion the idea of being able to stack on a few select servers, then justify it by saying it creates a more competitive or exciting venture? SHHHH….they just want easy mode.

It’s gotten so easy that now people are staying away from wvw and you see people baiting others out with an alt on one server just so they can have someone to attack with their main on the opposing server. If you think about it that is pretty sad and pathetic.

Maybe if everyone would stay put and stop jumping ship for the next flavor of the month server things could stabilize.

Most games are engineered pretty well, it’s just that once developers start catering to whiney players things go down hill real quick.

Expecting players to be able to manage themselves effectively is like letting the banks regulate themselves

There are some good guild leaders out there who understand the dynamics behind the bandwagoning.

An idea I recall from many moons ago involved, in part, a ranking system for guilds that would add to the WvW score, this in itself could be developed as a mechanic that would deter many of the more organised guilds from stacking on a single set of servers but I fear Anet doesnt place much merit in developing something as involved as this for the WvW game mode. There are a plethora of other incentives or ways within which this could be achieved also, adding a set amount of time a player must have been on a server before they gain karma/xp/etc… and the more hops they do the longer it takes, the problem with this is that it affects those who move around in order to get good fights also…

If I may be so bold. I don’t understand the route that you are taking with highlighting issues. WvW is a far broader spectrum than most people understand, we all like to jump into our own little niches but essentially you have, single player roamers, small group roamers (2-5) medium roam groups (5-15) organised guild groups (15-30) and formations of those. These groups can focus on anything from trying to engage similar sized groups to larger groups. Then you have the PPT players, karma trainers and the relative new players (which is happening more infrequently).

Undoubtedly the unbalanced matchups are a huge issue for the game, if anyone thinks or suggests otherwise they are clearly burying their head in the sand.

My point is you posted next weeks topic as “siege trolling” – where does the list of topics come from? Are you yourself making this list or is it a predefined list given by Arenanet?

If its one by you I would suggest another thread facilitating your acceptance here where people can bring up the issues they feel close to. Allow them to express what area of gameplay in WvW they attend mostly that way you can get some general metrics that you can wade into and expand upon, otherwise this simply is like kittening in to the wind and expecting not to get wet.

If this initiative really holds ground and is something Arenanet wish to promote then the route you seem to be taken seems a bit slap dash, formulate an approach that involves more aspects of WvW, cast a wider net and it will show far more than I expect you will see currently.

WvW has people who want to siege, WvW has people who want to solo and WvW has people who want to do organised 10v10, 15v15, 20v20 and so on and all these aspects need to be looked at and sitting and looking at the uneven matchups scratching heads isnt going to fix much, if it was that easy I would conclude that Anet would have fixed it by now.

Note: If the list is given to you by Arenanet I would suggest you ask them for more freedom in this area.

Twinny.9304:

I can only speak of EU Guilds, and now that VoTF have disbanded I probably have to say Red Guard. I’ve clashed with both, Red Guard of old, and VoTF of recent and old, and no Guild I have ever faced have impressed me and hit me as hard as the recent VoTF. Red Guard are and always have been awesome but since their small break, VoTF raised that bar to a whole new lvl, and then unfortunately left it there as a marker for all to compete to. Red Guard were and always will be my favorite, but in my eyes the recent VoTF were better.

We haven’t disbanded, just decided on a different course to GW2. You can check out why in an article on our new site. votf.net

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Draygo.9473:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/community/events

They are considered in-game events. If you guys take over that forum they might make a separate events forum for guild on guild combat.

If thats the case then every pre-setup “raid” into WvW is an event also? Going to be a lot of thread moves!

Please?

With the recent updates with regards to a new map being introduced (Inside the jumping puzzle which is essentially still World vs World) to facilitate those of us who enjoy the Guild vs Guild format can we get some clarification as to whether or not Guild vs Guild topics are now allowed in this sub-section, if not would it be possible to get a new sub-section under the “World vs World” sub-section for this please?

LotuS.4378:

They are just slecting PvE guilds.

VoTF isnt a PVE guild…

I would like to applaud Arenanet for understanding and taking the WvW development process in an entirely new direction.

There are a few topics we cannot go into but it was vastly obvious that the previous testing that was being done was not up to the standard required by the vast majority of those who play WvW as their main game – This new process will only go on to improve the game and actually give you the required feedback needed to improve the game for the World vs World player.

Some people may say that its quite late but what you need to understand is that they have actually started to do something now, there are too many development companies out there that will simply stay the course out of petulance or an inbuilt desire to be correct on everything.

VoTF as a guild look forward to working with you going forward and while I, as guild leader, understand that some of our previous forum shenanigans were not the most helpful in terms of encouraging the community or drawing more people into WvW (which is an aim for you as a company) it was something we felt absolutely vital to ensure this great game-style is given the required attention it not only needs but that every player that hits that WvW button deserves.

Some of the best WvW guilds have been invited and its a full spread through those of us who like to skirmish to those who like to bunker so it seems all sides of the equation will be included and that can only be good for this game.

Thank you Arenanet – now lets make sure something comes of this.

Regards
Dean “Aneu” Lewis.

VoTF would like to thank everyone in this matchup; it has been far more fun than initially expected. Props to RAGE for the GvG and to FURY for the scrims. Slightly disappointed that INC didn’t manage to fight us but maybe the next time we meet.

It’s also great to see that people understand that a forum is also part of the game and that having “banter” on the forum doesn’t require a heavy moderated hand but should be allowed to flourish and build rivalry that makes the game far more interesting overall.

Looking forward to the next time we meet.

An easier fix to all of this, allow us to use Launch skills on the dead lord… Allows both sides to do what is needed.

Let us know

fab.3298:

Aneu.1748:

fab.3298:

Aneu.1748:

fab.3298:

Aneu.1748:

fab.3298:

Aneu.1748:

Who said we didnt have a blast? It was great farming you guys over and over and over… and over… and over… and over

Maybe you had fun, awesome. But some of the comments from your server buddies paints a different picture.

Fights are what matter most, although it would have been better if you guys had grown a pair and engaged us when we were on our own… :sadface:

We’ve engaged you many times and wiped, and will continue to do so. When did we run from you? You guys are better than us, that comes from your experience playing together but we still engage since we’re keen to learn. I even approached you for a GvG (knowing that we would lose) because we enjoy them and they make us better, but was brushed off twice because your GvG leader isn’t around…

I’m right here…

Tell that to Jackie then, that’s who i asked… twice. On two different days.

I was told about the PM for tonight but i am not able to run anything. How is tomorrow for you guys? Pick a map.

Can’t commit at this late stage, but i’ll post on our forums and if we get enough sign-ups then sure. Lets take this to /w and mail to keep it out of here.

What map are you guys going on anyway? Tonight and tomorrow?

fab.3298:

Aneu.1748:

fab.3298:

Aneu.1748:

fab.3298:

Aneu.1748:

Who said we didnt have a blast? It was great farming you guys over and over and over… and over… and over… and over

Maybe you had fun, awesome. But some of the comments from your server buddies paints a different picture.

Fights are what matter most, although it would have been better if you guys had grown a pair and engaged us when we were on our own… :sadface:

We’ve engaged you many times and wiped, and will continue to do so. When did we run from you? You guys are better than us, that comes from your experience playing together but we still engage since we’re keen to learn. I even approached you for a GvG (knowing that we would lose) because we enjoy them and they make us better, but was brushed off twice because your GvG leader isn’t around…

I’m right here…

Tell that to Jackie then, that’s who i asked… twice. On two different days.

I was told about the PM for tonight but i am not able to run anything. How is tomorrow for you guys? Pick a map.

fab.3298:

Aneu.1748:

fab.3298:

Aneu.1748:

Who said we didnt have a blast? It was great farming you guys over and over and over… and over… and over… and over

Maybe you had fun, awesome. But some of the comments from your server buddies paints a different picture.

Fights are what matter most, although it would have been better if you guys had grown a pair and engaged us when we were on our own… :sadface:

We’ve engaged you many times and wiped, and will continue to do so. When did we run from you? You guys are better than us, that comes from your experience playing together but we still engage since we’re keen to learn. I even approached you for a GvG (knowing that we would lose) because we enjoy them and they make us better, but was brushed off twice because your GvG leader isn’t around…

I’m right here…

iorlas.6721:

Aneu.1748:

fab.3298:

Aneu.1748:

Who said we didnt have a blast? It was great farming you guys over and over and over… and over… and over… and over

Maybe you had fun, awesome. But some of the comments from your server buddies paints a different picture.

Fights are what matter most, although it would have been better if you guys had grown a pair and engaged us when we were on our own… :sadface:

How about grow a pair of your own and not run with 2 other WvW guilds?

Oh its such a shame you say that from another server Armchair general in’da house!

fab.3298:

Aneu.1748:

Who said we didnt have a blast? It was great farming you guys over and over and over… and over… and over… and over

Maybe you had fun, awesome. But some of the comments from your server buddies paints a different picture.

Fights are what matter most, although it would have been better if you guys had grown a pair and engaged us when we were on our own… :sadface:

Who said we didnt have a blast? It was great farming you guys over and over and over… and over… and over… and over

You might be better pointing at those times on the video since it will give you a little more insight into exactly what we did, not to say there werent crossovers but the only time we interfeared in a fight both in and outside of the keep is when our allies had all but-wiped and even then we gave you guys time to re-coup before we engaged! (Or do you forget running into the tunnels north of the north west supply camp?) then when we engage you all split off again.

fab.3298:

Tyldor.9078:

Being proud about the fact 3 WvW guilds got inside Garrison versus 1 WvW guild with a few pugs.. Standards are shifting nowadays.

That’s exactly why they failed though, they had three melee balls running around catching people in ones and twos which was nowhere near efficient enough to clear the lords room in 3 mins or less. If they’d been a large pug zerg they would have most likely taken it.

If it was a PUG zerg it would have wiped.

Tyldor.9078:

Aneu.1748:

Tyldor.9078:

Being proud about the fact 3 WvW guilds got inside Garrison versus 1 WvW guild with a few pugs.. Standards are shifting nowadays.

My dear, there was no 1 WvW guild in Garrison, all it was were individuals running around like headless chickens. You may have been organising things on your voice coms but the only time the guild got together was when they felt they could push some kills and as soon as we got anywhere near you would instantly run in all directions. Be proud!

I wonder why? Maybe because we were already stacking up to kill 2 of the 3 WvW guilds. We’re not as superior as you guys who can handle 15 vs server! We could take out kale and punk but not combined with you guys. Kitten be proud 25 people ran away from 60 people! It’s chasing a baby with 3 bloodhungry pitbulls.

Considering I was the person that was running the VoTF raid and I specifically kept us away from the other two guilds (unless they were getting swarmed). You also had in excess of 25 in total, it may have been 25 from your specific guild but from the server it was quite a large amount (check the video – especially at the end to see the combined forces of what was there from your side when you come to Bay).

iorlas.6721:

I never once said it was a complete failure,i said 2 out of 3 is good,but none the less you still failed to take garrison that’s fact not tricks or anything else.

Its not a complete failure its just simply a failure, my dear friend, you spin those words like an art form!

Tyldor.9078:

Being proud about the fact 3 WvW guilds got inside Garrison versus 1 WvW guild with a few pugs.. Standards are shifting nowadays.

My dear, there was no 1 WvW guild in Garrison, all it was were individuals running around like headless chickens. You may have been organising things on your voice coms but the only time the guild got together was when they felt they could push some kills and as soon as we got anywhere near you would instantly run in all directions. Be proud!

iorlas.6721:

i guess simple yes or no answers is a bit much for you.No tricks just plain questions.You’re the one that can not grasp the concept of failure,i don’t care if you had the queen of England running around with you in Garrison you FAILED to take it.
Ahh right thats all so clear Teel..so what you’re saying is you FAILED to buy the pear so you attacked garrison with fruit?

Complete failure would have been not getting into garrison or being wiped, neither of which happened. We made some fruit smoothies instead!

Still you attempt to peddle your tricks, you assume that everything is so black and white yet it is not. Each individual keep was a goal in itself and while Garrison may not have been taken the overall experience and “loot” gained from it in turn makes it a success. It was not possible for them to push us out, we had free roam of the entire keep, we left of our own volition and you see this as failure?

This really isnt a hard concept to grasp.

I prefer

http://ownermag.com/the-illusion-of-failure/

iorlas.6721:

I see you fail to grasp the concept of failure,please do keep in touch i’ll be only too pleased to help you with basic comprehension.

Friend, critical thinking is a daily thing for me and I am more than able to understand the concept behind failure and success. The reality is success is determined through an action of self (or sometimes inaction) and not that dictated by outside influences. The tricky thing for many “outside infleunces” to grasp is that their belief of success or failure is a simple fabrication. It is very much a problem with society as a whole currently where individuals believe the societies belief in success or failure is far more important than that of ones self – Its quite simply not true, society based success is a fabrication created for the self-indulgent purposes of those around us to feel superior.

One mans success is anothers failure, neither are right or wrong until outside influences get involved and attempt to dictate their fabrication.

I would be more than happy to go through this in more detail

iorlas.6721:

but you was ingame when you failed to take garrison.I understand your frustration at not being able to take garrison due to it being defended,failure is a hard pill to swallow.

I see that you fail to grasp the concept of multiple keeps on a map. I fear for you my friend, I really do. I would like us to stay in touch so we can work through this together.

Genotix.6804:

Ok this has gone too far.
To Votf guys, you didn’t fail.
We have used broken game mechanics and we were constantly running low level warriors at a map with no queues to stop you from taking garrison, which you are more than able to take it anytime you want with the other fsp roaming guilds.
Can we move on please?

Spoiler of fun

iorlas.6721:

what about garrison?

I couldnt tell you right now, im not ingame sorry.

iorlas.6721:

o but i am right…….“We intended to wipe Tier 3 off the map”…did you do it?

Yes, with Hills and Bay.

iorlas.6721:

Why am i a troll because i disagree with your idea of success?

By all means disagree, that is your god given right as a human being my friend! (Doesnt mean you are right however).

iorlas.6721:

i never succeeded in anything..you said that you never failed,well you did fail,try to make all the excuses you want but at the end of the day..you failed to take Garrison.If it makes you feel better to blame your failure on game mechanics carry on.I’m enjoying reading the posts,just i had to point out.. 2 out of the intended 3 is not success,so therefore it must be a failure.

Black and white or various shades of grey, my dear troll friend its ok to take your frustration out on these forums, even though you are not directly involved in these fights. I see you, I validate you. You are welcome.

Rhonin.1687:

you can’t take garrison from Banner’s Hold! (formerly known as Golem’s Hold)

We will see…

iorlas.6721:

you still never reached your intended goal so you failed.

Like I said previously, buffering our kill counts, getting quite a large sum of gold via farming people and the lord drops for high tier mats (that will actually help us in the long run) is far from failing in my eyes – I am glad you feel they succeeded via shoddy mechanics though!

iorlas.6721:

You intended to take Garrison you didn’t take it so, like it or not…you failed

We intended to wipe Tier 3 off the map, we achieved that on both Hills and Bay, 2/3 is better than 1/3 no?

Jimmy JimBob.2801:

Jackie.1829:

There were no other objectives, we owned hills and bay at the time, and even if they took them back we didnt care, those 2 were flipped from t3 to paper, all we wanted to do was remove the upgrades on garrison.

When VoTF set their raid the intention wasnt “get the highest ppt” it was simply, flip each keep once to remove upgrades.

So you failed in your objectives and then had a cry?

Thank you for making that hard fought victory so much sweeter

I wouldnt say we failed, I would actually call it quite the success with the amount of bags we farmed from it plus the amount of times the lords drop reset, that is worth something surely?

So what maps will guilds be on tonight?

ThomasKreshant.6572:

Aneu.1748:

My dear friend, comparing Eve to a game like GW2 is like comparing a marathon to running up the stairs in your house… Also you may not have played the game prior to the stagnation that is currently involved but having fought the Stain Alliance and practically all of 0,0 minus a couple of regions for quite a long time (Over a year) I would suggest you “recall” better.

I recall perfectly, EVE changed to suit my tastes and was less to yours.

I liked the ‘stagnation’ and the change from a more roaming mobile warfare to the 4 am alarm clock SOV bashing ops.

As I said different people different strokes.

So you favor boring mechanics – Gotcha.

CharlieBear.2741:

Jackie.1829:

How can they be captured then?

I mean not to sound arrogant, but I do know the game inside out, with all skills/traits/mechanics for all the classes in the game. There was no counter to that short of rerolling a bunch of our raid players to necros and hoping at a chance for corrupts.

As for saying VoTF were not fans of EVE… well…. I am quite sure Aneu still has his account, and VoTF are known in EVE, so not sure where you got that opinion from.

What I like is a game with good balance that takes skill to play and has counters for all strategies. Whether the siege takes 6 months or 6 minutes is of little consequence to me, as long as the outcome was determined by skill.

You could try attacking another objective and pulling them from there, and then have another group or maybe rush the keep. If you are that serious about taking it.

2 paper keeps, 1 tier 3 keep with waypoint… next

ThomasKreshant.6572:

Jackie.1829:

ThomasKreshant.6572:

The mechanics you hate are the reason I play the game.

Oh well different strokes for different folks.

So keeps that cannot be captured are good for the game then? That is why you play the game? If it is I am not going to hate on you, I simply question whether that is a majority opinion.

But then I also play EVE and I love 6+ month defensive/offensive campaigns, ya’ll weren’t fans of that game play either if I recall rightly.

My dear friend, comparing Eve to a game like GW2 is like comparing a marathon to running up the stairs in your house… Also you may not have played the game prior to the stagnation that is currently involved but having fought the Stain Alliance and practically all of 0,0 minus a couple of regions for quite a long time (Over a year) I would suggest you “recall” better.

Tyldor.9078:

Jackie.1829:

What do you expect is going to happen when your home borderlands is fully upgraded? We going to take a keep with 20 players when you have more siege inside the keep than we have players in our raid? Then warbanners and waypoint, because of broken game mechanics? Get real.

You can find us running on the field by ourselves, and we will see who has to blob who to score kills

I can’t deny you guys are very strong in the field without blobbing up, but still you’re getting the facts wrong there buddy. The guys built so much siege because VotF, KALE ánd PUNK were inside Garri. Actions, reactions. I’m personally not a big fan of building so many siege, but because we learned our lesson what happened tonight in Hills and in Bay ( KALE, Punk ánd VotF blobbing up to capture it ) you need to respond ’’properly’’ on it.

All in all we had loads of fun inside Garrison. We might have given you guys loads of kills ( How much % did you guys gain on your road to Ultimate Dominator? ). Defending like this with Benny Hill Theme song in the back is just hilarious. Thanks for the kittens and giggles.

The problem with your comment is that the siege was already pre-built in Bay and Hills before we even got there…

Did anyone count the banners?

fab.3298:

Was refreshing to see VoTF running around, obviously a highly skilled bunch, but they also run like 40+ which makes it pointless to go up against in field fights. Would love to get a 15v15 scrim against you guys though.

You may be surprised to find that we actually run with around 30 people, yesterday we were 32 at peak running against both you and HT.

Xabu.3754:

Aneu.1748:

Phoebe Ascension.8437:

Devs already answered, they won’t change this soon. They like the strategy involved with it and to be honest i can agree with it. Otherwise it’s a little to easy for the attacking force. Then again, maybe it should be more clear where the champ is, especially when he goes upstairs in garrison it can become a mess.

Lol, strategy, sure- keep telling yourself that

Uh, he didn’t tell himself that. A developer did.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Banner-lord-Question/first#post2641387

We all know Devon absolutely knows what he is doing, right?

Phoebe Ascension.8437:

Devs already answered, they won’t change this soon. They like the strategy involved with it and to be honest i can agree with it. Otherwise it’s a little to easy for the attacking force. Then again, maybe it should be more clear where the champ is, especially when he goes upstairs in garrison it can become a mess.

Lol, strategy, sure- keep telling yourself that

Oh dear, it looks like people that simply don’t understand why GvG occured and those who still find the “PPT” game worth while are attempting to make a point here.

The PPT game is not, I repeat once again for those who take some time to get it into their heads, is not a worth while game style. Arenanet validated this by making the system randomly generate whether a server goes up or down no matter how they rank vs their current opponents, you can win a matchup and still drop down the ranking or come up against less skilled opponents even if you have proven yourself to be worthy.

The other part is that the biggest indicator of who will win a matchup is how many people they have during “off peak” hours, ie: nightcapping. If you believe that primetime (6hrs) dictates who wins the matchup then you really are mistaken, it does not matter who is winning in primetime.

World vs World is not a competitive game type, it mitigates and circumvents all forms of competition via stacking/night capping and promoting what is prolific in the game right now – Zergs.

If the above is your idea of fun, you being insignificant in the long run, your input not actually mattering that much then by all means defend away!

There are many of us who wish for our game time and our input to be of value which is why a different style of gameplay arose, it wasn’t to take over WvW it was to run alongside WvW in conjunction with it for at maximum an hour or two our of a week (a week that these guilds still put huge swathes of effort into the whole WvW game-style – in order to train and get better).

I simply fail to understand how people can be so blinkered to the fact that they are defending a defunct gamestyle that could be so much more interesting and fun… WvW has far more to give than it currently does but overall the resoures spent on it are minimal in comparison to other game styles – so rather than fighting with one another it may be of more benefit to actually agree that WvW requires far more development consideration than it does.