Guild Wars 2

I wouldn’t even call that decent dps. If you’re using full berserker gear your damage won’t exactly be bad, but not decent or even good. You’re losing 300 power, 1.3265 damage amplifiers and gain almost nothing but 5% critical damage (0.85% damage increase overaall) and 50 precision. Furious is worthless because your damage doesn’t scale with your adrenaline.
30/25/0/0/15 is the meta build (30/0/0/10/30 was a possibility some patches ago, 30/10/0/0/30 was always subpar, offering nothing). That has a reason.

@OP: If you don’t want to play 30/25/0/0/15 full berserker, just play whatever you want. You just have to know that you won’t help your party members in dungeons, though, and that open world becomes quite a bit harder. In my opinion, defensive gear/traits give you nothing but take away much.

When pugs start the fight right at the beginning of the lower level, deal zero dps and kite the gravelings in a way that they add up you can be screwed pretty quick. When we are now duo’ing we’re just kiting them into the circles quick and don’t drag the boss out of the positions we AoE on. Three people are capable of messing two others up pretty often. Alphard, Lupicus, Wraithlord, Rumblus, Howling King, Mage Crusher, Hunter, Spider Queen, etc. And those just as examples in AC and Arah.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

haviz.1340:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

As long as I get into VoIP

Ask ethics, though, I’m bad and I have a potty mouth.

VoIP is obligatory, that’s granted.

Hahaha. Is this obligatory for male members too?

Only for those with sexy voices like me.

deSade.9437:

Why, WHY do people assume support team=cleric? This is getting on my nerves. Care to explain?!?

I assume how I want.

Give haviz some internet love

Yet another bump. Yesterday at snowblind fractal boss, 28 out of 30 dodges fumbled. My connection was perfectly fine.

Many people would consider me a selfish player, although i’m very supporting. In AC p1, we (a pug team) failed on howling king like 5 times. Someone left, i invited a guildie. Three more attempts, all failing. I’m telling the three pugs to stay out of fight and they leave the dungeon. Duo’ing the boss first attempt. Same at lupicus, alphard, wraithlord and so on. Letting pugs die yields much higher chances to finish an encounter.

Zelyhn.8069:

Anicetus.1253:

Thats sadly true for WvW and PvP. In PvE especially staff elementalists got strong buffs and some are still coming. A bit confusing how they buff pve eles and nerf pvp eles when they should do the opposite (or well, at least buff pvp eles). :/

Staff and LH are strong in PvE in speedruns with optimal groups, but only in those situations, and only because they get carried by other classes.

I can’t agree on that. We’re often using only one warrior and no other professions for dungeons where we don’t need projectile reflection. Elementalists syngergize extremely well with each other but are also perfectly fine to standalone. The only thing where elementalists sort of are carried on is sustain, but that not only comes down to playerskill but also fits to lots of professions.

Thats sadly true for WvW and PvP. In PvE especially staff elementalists got strong buffs and some are still coming. A bit confusing how they buff pve eles and nerf pvp eles when they should do the opposite (or well, at least buff pvp eles). :/

And what does that change about the state of the ele in gw2? Nothing. Even if ANets states it as working as intended because of being lazy, you’re still allowed to use it and won’t be banned. The elementalist is in a very good state in PvE, mediocre in WvW but absolutely lacking in PvP. Which is what i said, right?

You can count me in. I’ll be home around 5pm.

You seem to have no idea who i am.
But i’ll just answer both your posts right away.
First, i’m well aware of what is an exploit/glitch, especially to arenanet. Explpits are unintended mechanics that make you an unfair advantage over other players.
That’s not the case, anyone can use it. Also it doesn’t affect the games economy in any major way. FGS allows you to ~double your dps, not to multiply ot by 1000.
And when you know ANet, you should know what their stance on “exploits” like this is. They don’t care, not even a bit. Examples can be found in gw1: rezz scroll glitch, HoS, dhuum lstuck, skips and unintended shortcuts, etc.

To your second post: the only thing i can say here is that you’re assuming a playerskill lower than an average dog’s. Elementalists don’t take a lot of hit but they are able to aboid them in many ways. And yes, i do play an elementalist. Together with my warrior, mesmer and guardian the character i play the most.

Edit: Wrote this with my mobile phone, being about to freeze. Sorry for all grammar and spelling mistakes i made. The post looks horrible, i know.

jportell.2197:

clint.5681:

Ahh this thread is a classic know it all pug thread. Since you refuse to listen to those that know more than you, why are you still here?

Because the guys running builds like this with their S/F and GS are usually the ones I wind up picking up off the floor over, and over, and over, and over. Hence the reason for me making this thread. They can’t provide their reflects, blinds, aegis, etc if they are always on the floor.

If you’re on EU servers you’re now heartly invited to hit me up ingame and do some dungeon runs with me.
If you’re on NA, i’d highly recommend you to check my youtube channel!

colesy.8490:

jportell.2197:

Kirschwasser.3972:

I like how jportell has been demonstrably shown that he’s wrong but he’s stuck his fingers in his ears and went “LALALALA” to pretend it doesn’t exist.

After being “flamed” no other way to put it in this thread I tried some variations. Well I just wasn’t very impressed. I tried 25 into radiance and the damage bonus wasn’t that great then I went into zeal mainly for the minor traits and the damage was very lackluster and only marginally better than my normal build with group survivability taking a huge hit (talking from 48 fractals.). After going back to the regular build some different things happened one my group could handle all bosses easily because I was the ONLY one taking aggro which was the point, my damage was still pretty good without modifiers and my survivability as well as my groups was great. So… You guys can flame my “terrible” build all you want but it is greatly requested in dungeons by my entire guild.

Flamed? I’m still waiting for a response to my post at you from earlier which you keep avoiding. Can you give us examples of fights where your build is supposedly good? And could you tell us what makes it good? Because my impression is that you’re partying with bads and they can’t dodge so they have to get a guardian to trait in useless traits to make up for their own incompetence. I’m trying to be reasonable with you and I want you to explain yourself but you’re purposely ignoring my posts because they’re pointing out the flaws in yours without flaming you so there’s no emotionally charged area of my posts you can target and then dismiss the rest so it looks like you actually responded.

I experienced this in the guardian subforum. Except fadeaway
noone was able to answer simple questions or use any logical/mathematical reasoning in their posts.

Pretty annoying, gave me the feeling to talk to r3T4r¢|2.

But also cut’s enemies as if they were of paper

Elementalist is the strongest profession on paper.

That would make AH a niche build for parties with rather low player skill.

Then tell me which class can reach elementalists dps.
Saying “only in certain builds” isn’t an argument, no profession deals good damage on all builds. The elementalist is the profession with the most possibilities here, there are a couple of builds that reach results very close to each other (whereas the optimum is depending on the situation).
Aura Share definitely isn’t a build to stack might, actually it’s a trash build for PvE. Persisting Flames isn’t required to stack might, you can just get one more blast in your firefields then before they expire. The difference here is 15 or 18 permanent might for the whole party.
And last but not least, which class can stack similar amounts of might, fury (and partly vulnerability)?

STRanger.5120:

Anicetus.1253:

Back when tequatl was revamped there has been a reddit post, linking to a forum post, about a tequatl kill with using fgs and icebow , where some ArenaNet developer said the tequatl kill was legit and fgs working as intended. Just because the skill is ridiculously strong in certain situations doesn’t mean its a glitch or exploit. They already overworked the fgs some patches ago, fiery rush stayed same.

And even without the dev response, i don’t see why fiery rush should be an exploit. It’s bringing the elementalist into a good state in at least one of the tgree game modi and is bound to an elite skill on a 180 seconds colldown.

You don’t see it means nothing
Show a link to the Dev post which says it’s intended mechanics and I take that statement as final. Until that time, it’s an exploit for me, period.

It’s basically the same as the piercing skills damage was, hence that was corrected/patched. Well, where’s the difference between FGS issue and the piercing damage bug? And don’t say elite skill as a difference because there’s no other elite in-game capable of such damage output.

The difference is that the piercing bug allowed you to hit for up to 800.000.000 damage on a 12 second cooldown and a combo that takes two utilitys away and can be used twice per 180 seconds to hit for up to ~200.000 damage.

And one more about the pve aspect of the game: Eles are pretty much the strongest profession right now. Best self dps (aside from mesmer who can’t ever come close to pulling it of) and highest group buffing. 18
stacks might and fury permanently on your party, combined with some vuln stacks, extremely well dps and a projectile absorbtion skill on a 30 seconds cooldown seem pretty strong to me.

This is surely going to be fixed at 10th december, right? The games by far most important bug ever is surely on a higher priority than taking vigor away from easily obtainable spots (which is affected by fumbles too), right?

You’re pushing on warrior time?

Back when tequatl was revamped there has been a reddit post, linking to a forum post, about a tequatl kill with using fgs and icebow , where some ArenaNet developer said the tequatl kill was legit and fgs working as intended. Just because the skill is ridiculously strong in certain situations doesn’t mean its a glitch or exploit. They already overworked the fgs some patches ago, fiery rush stayed same.

And even without the dev response, i don’t see why fiery rush should be an exploit. It’s bringing the elementalist into a good state in at least one of the tgree game modi and is bound to an elite skill on a 180 seconds colldown.

I can’t edit the first post yet. :/

You’re assuming PvP circumstances where Elementalists are currently in a terrible state.
In PvE on the other side, high skilled elementalists are probably preferable over any other profession.

@Shadowfall: Staff or LH elementalists deal roughly 1.5x as much dps as warriors, in a perfect buffed setting. In a solo it’s about the same, when you’re able to hold up trait requirements.

I answered your question, saying “compated to available recources”.

Obtena.7952

Let me ask an even simpler question and it should be a real easy one for you … what ARE your criteria for what makes a build bad or good?

Excelling at either survivability, support or damage or taking a compromise in order to achieve better results overall.
As an example 0/0/30/30/10 is a good build under the specification of self-sustain only.
10/25/0/0/10/25 is a good build.

Bad builds are the opposite, neither excelling at anything nor being a trade of.
0/15/30/20/5 is worse than 10/30/0/5/25 in all means. Once the optimum (or something significantly better) is known, anything else becomes bad.

Wethospu.6437:

I got infraction for calling someone elitist. Be careful!

If someone reports this post you will be infracted for questioning forum moderation.

ArenaNet has annouced that it’s working as intended. Plus, fiery rush work’s exactly the way described in it’s description. This can be tracked in some tequatl kill thread, iirc.

Other examples would be Meteor Shower, Ice Storm and a few other skills, causing much greater effect than any other profession’s skills.

Obtena.7952:

^^ I’m game for trying …

Compared to what? What’s the context?

Compared to available recources. To what else, pandas flying in the space?

Let me try something.

Nike, is 1/3/3/7/0 a good or a bad build?

Edit: The forum didn’t edit the post. I was talking about being good or bad in general which includes survivability, damage and support. Not in someone’s very own opinion for some specific goal under whatever circumstances he has set.

fadeaway.2807:

I still think you can gain more personal survivability, more group survivability, more dps and more flexibility by ditching valor.

You’re right. It isn’t just your opinion, it simply is that way.

Not to fadeway:
And once again, “Segbrq Blrst!”. Incapability of answering must be a common disease here.

Edit: http://www.datehookup.com/Thread-1154566.htm

ditch the word women for guardians.

Edit 2: Actually no, that doesn’t fit and is too generalized.

Fiery Rush combined with Lightning Flash is about as much damage as 8 100b’s in a row.
In my opinion that justifies some sacrifices in health and armor.

Lonewolf Kai.3682:

Anicetus.1253:

Lonewolf Kai.3682:

Typically, an “I THINK” equates to opinion.

Yes, it does. In the context on the other side, considering the sentences behind the “i think” make sure he believes it isn’t just his opinion.

Lonewolf Kai.3682

As for the rest, once again, so you think no one has the right to their own opinion? What if in the build poster’s mind the build is good? It’s his/her opinion and that doesn’t make it right or wrong. It makes it opinion. Just like it’s opinion that you feel it’s a bad build. Who are you to judge if an opinion is right or wrong?

Good point, but once again completely missed. You might use it for the posts haviz made:

haviz.1340

In my very individual opinion my build works good for what i’m trying to achieve.

but not for a point when talking about “good” and “bad” in general. Good and bad in general are objective and have nothing to do with opinion. 10/30/0/5/25 is good in dealing damage, support and survivability. 0/15/30/20/5 is bad at dealing damage, support and mediocre in survivability. This is backed up by facts, not opinion.

Good and bad are subjective and often based on opinion by the beholder.

And I’ll repeat myself, facts are also made of factors that do not necessarily include math. In other words, math is not the only factor.

What aside of math and numbers is included in making a build objectively good or bad?

Just a quick check:

Is 1/3/3/7/0 a good build?
I’d say it isn’t.

Is 1/3/3/7/0 a good build for having fun, just in my own understanding without refering to anything else?
In my opinion, yes.

What about you?

Lonewolf Kai.3682:

Typically, an “I THINK” equates to opinion.

Yes, it does. In the context on the other side, considering the sentences behind the “i think” make sure he believes it isn’t just his opinion.

Lonewolf Kai.3682

As for the rest, once again, so you think no one has the right to their own opinion? What if in the build poster’s mind the build is good? It’s his/her opinion and that doesn’t make it right or wrong. It makes it opinion. Just like it’s opinion that you feel it’s a bad build. Who are you to judge if an opinion is right or wrong?

Good point, but once again completely missed. You might use it for the posts haviz made:

haviz.1340

In my very individual opinion my build works good for what i’m trying to achieve.

but not for a point when talking about “good” and “bad” in general. Good and bad in general are objective and have nothing to do with opinion. 10/30/0/5/25 is good in dealing damage, support and survivability. 0/15/30/20/5 is bad at dealing damage, support and mediocre in survivability. This is backed up by facts, not opinion.

Lonewolf Kai.3682

Anicetus.1253

Once i’m home i will create a thread with it again, appealing to arenanet to not delete it.

On a serious note: the build is horrible. Just less horrible than most builds on the front page.

And you don’t think this is hypocritical? Weren’t you one of the ones telling people not to post builds because you think they’re bad? And that these bad build guides will just confuse new guardian players?

No, i’ve been saying that people shouldn’t advertise bad builds as good. I’m perfectly fine with posting any build you want, as long as you don’t say it’s good when it isn’t.
I didn’t say the build i posted was good, i said it’s horrible, even though less horrible than most guardian builds available in the guardian sub forum.

And your comprehension of his post is a bit weird, i haven’t see the words “opinion” or “like” in there.

Edit: I was actually hoping to actually have a “discussion” in the guardian forums, just for once. But slowly i’m beginning to assume nothing but “Segbrq Blrst!” will be what i get.

lunyboy.8672:

Anicetus.1253:

lunyboy.8672:

What’s hilarious is all the people who “appreciate” your (dungeon elitists) help, guides and snarky comments would get kicked in less than 10 seconds from your runs without even a comment.

You’re making wrong assumptions.

And yet, thread-after-thread of people making light of kicking “bads” because they were the wrong profession, using the wrong weapons, had the wrong buffs, etc.

Once again, I am not pointing to you in particular, nor a few others who comment with helpful answers, just the general sense of this board.

The tower of nightmares is a metaphor for this place some days, and those Elite Red-names?

Guess who they are.

And i’m once again only seeing assumptions and assertions instead of actual quotes or references.

You might be talking about some minorities, which actually aren’t part of the so called “elitists” of this thread.

Lonewolf Kai.3682:

Anicetus.1253:

You’re once again arguing against facts, using “i still think” argument.

Which is his opinion, or are you saying he doesn’t have a right to his own opinion?

Read through his post, please.
By the way, you didn’t answer to my pm yet.

Zeal (until 10 points), Radiance (until 25 points) and Virtues (until 25 points) are the best traitlines guardians have. Good major traits, good-mediocre stat increases. Valor on the other hand has bad major traits, mediocre-bad stats and honor (after 10 points, exceptions rarely made for 25 points) is just horrible in both regards.

You’re once again arguing against facts, using “i still think” argument.

lunyboy.8672:

What’s hilarious is all the people who “appreciate” your (dungeon elitists) help, guides and snarky comments would get kicked in less than 10 seconds from your runs without even a comment.

You’re making wrong assumptions.

I wish all ascended stuff gets that, or if not, at least make it so you don’t lose the infusions you put in then infusing the backpiece.

And the first thing you do when coming online is charity pug runs..

Being rude and kicking pugs have nothing to with the kind of elitist i am/we are.
The only kind of persons i screw up are kittens, as there sadly are plenty on the internet.

Could have been worse, imagine they’d remove infusions. I just spent about 600g on infusions.

I’m in love with well educated frenchies, although i can’t stand your language.

That being said, thanks for this post. It’s great to get positive feedback instead of infraction mails from time to time.

Fractal leaderbords are probably going to say as much about skill as AP leaderbords currently do. Little hint: saw someone selling his 17k AP account with 5x Cleric and 3x Celestial gear.

We’ll have to make a new discipline for level 50 blindfold snowblind solo.

I’d also like to get my 125g for claws back which i bought off TP three days ago but didn’t arrive yet.

It’s indeed the most fun guardian build around and still usable to beat all content in the game!

This build causes permanent burning, having about same condition damage as the stickied burning builds and inflicts more direct damage. And it supports a lot with spirit weapons. All honestly, this is even one of the best guardian builds around in this sub-forum, aside from obals dps guide mostlikely the best.

I don’t even…

I vote for Priest of Melandru.

I managed to gather 4 fellow druids and 2 druid spirits and together we slain this legendary beast. Here are the results:

Druid haviz’s PoV: http://youtu.be/zjwcNbMrrT8
Druid Dub’s PoV: http://youtu.be/GJMS-zBvlB8

I hope the forum moderation now finally acknowledges the power of his build and stops deleting our guides for “upsetting people”. The intend behind those guides were sharing this extremely play-how-i-want and fun-to-play build with the guardian world.