Guild Wars 2

Whether siege is buffed or nerfed, it will always favor the group with larger numbers. There’s nothing that makes siege inside of a tower safer than the siege outside of it given you have more numbers to defend it and you have people willing to exploit their screen size, so it’s a linear force multiplier plain and simple. What we’re left with is whether it’s fun or not. Devon Carter might think it is, but I’d hazard that the majority of people who have stuck around this long disagree.

So here we are. As much as I love playing defense in everything real and virtual, the buffed siege weapons and trait lines have drastically altered the dynamic. Walls go down faster and structures submit to karma trains near instantly. There is nothing fun about that. Kitten PPT.

Sovereign.1093:

I like what I’m experiencing from dragonbrand and maguma during the na period. You guys are making it hard for my tc troops to maintain land. It’s something our server needs, a good fight. Please keep the pressure up, and I’m sure you might surprise yourself and get a high rating.

We need this. Ty guys.

Oh god I hope not. I want nothing more than a solid T2/T3 rating. I don’t want anything to do with another PPT obsessed boring as kittin T1 server.

The screenshots I’ve seen don’t seem to do it justice, so just let it be a surprise.

You are bad at science.

There you go. Proper discussion.

Funny thing is that the new blue is more green than the actual blue of the commander tag. If you have a commander icon sitting on top of a blue objective icon, the optical effect is to make it look green. Great change.

He’s saying that you fire a treb on the supply depot that’s outside of inner to drop the keep supply so they can’t use it to further siege up.

Hickeroar.9734:

Much <3 to our T1 brethren, but aside from a few exceptions, T1 is really not about “skill” at all.

recruitment is a skill you nub

These colors are offensively awful.

Anet might be under the impression that wexp doesn’t give you strong advantages in WvW. This is the first time I’ve ever wanted to refer to WvW as pay to win.

You two don’t know how to play eles.

They also moved it because it was easily killed from underneath with aoe. It’s somewhat sad how many structures feel awkward after they had to alter their faulty designs, but it’s probably best to just leave it seeming awkward.

He said up in the thread that he doesn’t GvG, so who are you talking to? Queues aren’t a problem in T2 and below and the servers seem to be quite accepting of the windmill fights. T1 can continue to be irrationally obsessed with PPT. The rest of us are having fun, so everyone can stop complaining. This is actually a problem that doesn’t exist. The real issue is what Anet might do to screw our servers over. I really don’t care what you do up in T1, and Maguuma having played JQ only once is still one time too many. So insanely boring, and Anet should realize that. Those obsessively complaining about GvGs are quite the minority.

Thesilentflute.8761:

20v50 all day right! /rolls eyes

You’re running over two guilds. That’s at least 40v50. Throw on top of that all the spectators that will join in and you got at least 80v50. Have fun.

Take ghost tonics away and everyone can still use gems to customize their characters to look exactly the same.

It’s just as easy to siege into a keep as it is to siege out. The people outside can make more siege than you. They have more people to use siege. They have golems that you can’t AC. Even if you do, they can take down gates by spreading out and auto attacking.

You have to wipe zergs to fight structures. You just said as much. This is where organized guilds with skills honed in GvGs do work. You seem to be under the mistaken impression that it’s not almost every WvW guild participating in GvGs these days. At last night’s informal Agg/EP fight, TC had EP, TSL and ZN in large numbers and Maguuma had Agg, VR, DORP and PYRO. There might have been even more if they map could hold them. GvG isn’t sPvP. GvG is what WvW in total is turning into. Get over it.

Odinzu.9645:

…and isn’t AoN on mag?

Wait .. are you telling me that Maguuma has trolls?

Gudradain.3892:

Then you picked the wrong solution… The best way to beat a blob is to put arrow cart on gates to slow them, avoid open field combat with the blob and attack many targets at the same time.

It’s really not. Large blobs can completely ignore arrow cart fire and just auto attack down gates. Defensive structures in this game are a joke. They will go down and they will go down fast. The only way you truly defend something is by killing everyone once the gates are down.

There were TC attacking me from the moment I showed up. I can’t speak a whole lot about the misunderstandings on the field, but I do know there was way too much hostility in the stands near the end. Video of the GvG may be interesting, but I do want to see some footage of the lulzy end.

No worries though. Still got most of the week left, and it’s not like every GvG doesn’t end with a brawl of some sort or another.

SomeoneElse.3685:

However, we still don’t even know what kind of a buff it will be? Did you guys fail to notice how they thoughtfully placed the wvw skills in the game not affecting open field combat. They knew what to do then and we didn’t even think about how it could affect open field combat because siege bonuses and keep stuff and guard stuff doesn’t affect open field combat.

Have you seen the guard defense tree? That’s a ridiculous 2500 extra health. There’s no reason to pretend that Anet knows what they’re doing. Practically every change to WvW shows that they don’t. If they did by some chance actually know what they were doing, we wouldn’t have every decent organized guild grouping up at some corner of a map for interesting fights. We go there to hide from all the mistakes they’ve done in the past year, so forgive us for being nervous.

Murder machines?

Perhaps we could ask them to not put in such changes until they give us a GvG mode then. That’d be the least they could do. Thing is that it’s actually a bit serious. GvG is all that’s keeping some of us here. Get rid of that for a month or more and a lot of us are gone and not coming back. If that doesn’t sound like a problem, you underestimate that population and/or how much they contribute to a server.

Perhaps we should stay on our own servers and you can spread the population out so it looks somewhat like it did before the end of free transfers was announced. Everyone stacked on like six servers and now we have all these kitten match-ups. You want to complain that your maps are too busy after picking a busy server? Seriously? That makes absolutely zero sense.

Transfer to a different server.

Siegerazor kind of makes the whole control the supply game meaningless. Not to mention that golems punch down T3 keeps before you can even get your main force over from another map. There’s really no response to a mazz golem zerg other than to let them take the keep.

Biggest problem with finding new spots is making sure it isn’t full of animals. Got to love this rally mechanic.

Arya.9021:

You may have “invented” you’re own content, but it’s messing with the actual gameplay that Anet intended.

What gameplay? I haven’t seen much in WvW beyond mass zerging in a while and Anet has stated over and over that they didn’t intend that and want to discourage that. They even said a ways back the best way to play would be to have three or so groups of 25 roaming around doing things. So let me see … in a GvG we have two opposing groups of around that number fighting each other. That sounds pretty intended. It’s not our fault that Anet is bad at design and can’t figure out how to encourage the zergs to play more like us.

You realize that all three servers have people showing up to participate in and spectate that GvG, right?

Greens Daily Ritual.9025:

This probably isn’t going to be a popular statement with a lot of you, but I’m all for getting the GvG comments out of the WvW forums. It’s pretty much irrelevant in a WvW matchup thread, although it does bring a certain amount of drama to the table. The drama I don’t mind, but all the high fives, GG’s, ect., ect. are quite boring.
That being said, I doubt Anet will giving anyone a GvG format and/or map to play on. They’ve got Spvp tournaments and you have the ability to PAY for your own areas to fight in. There’s your level playing field and your GvG format. I can almost guarantee that would be Anet’s standpoint as well. I’d be very surprised if they actually did create an actual GvG arena for free.

What else is there to talk about? Bragging about population and PPT while pretending it’s skill has gotten a bit old. Oh hey, we can talk about the only changes anet has really made in this past year, wexp and siege buffs, further reinforce karma train zerg blobs. Oh wait. That topic is stale already too. Face it. GvGs are the only interesting thing going on these days.

Daily resets might be nice. I always find the most fun in WvW is had in the first few hours of a match. After that? One big pile of meh unless we can get some GvGs in.

lordkrall.7241:

Since you can’t reset your WXP ranks abilities it would be a rather big issue if you want different abilities on different characters though.

Well that sounds like two things to fix, doesn’t it?

Thieves at the very least have blast finishers. Rangers and engineers? It’s not news that they’re useless professions. Bring it up with anet.

Diehard.1432:

So let me get this straight, we beat you maguuman with our superior numbers( and we acknowledged that too), and then for some reason you all got kitten for getting rolled over by our zergs, you came here crying about it on the forum and at the same time you bragged on how good your individual PvP skills are; of which we don’t care about? QQ much?

wat

What do we gain from going up tiers? Skill lag and blobbing? Maguuma tries and does a real good job when we have people online, but our coverage will never be good enough to get us above servers that view recruiting as a skill. That’s a good thing. I enjoy the experience with the numbers here and the servers we face. I’ll repeat. I’m having fun playing this video game.

I find this obsession with a fairly meaningless number to be quite bizarre. I’m not playing to get the highest PPT at the end of the week. I’m playing to win the engagements that I’m involved in. Worrying about the realities that the server stacking and massive coverage differences have created does nothing good. It’s how people burn out and how servers implode.

Clockradio.3257:

If your guild is EXCLUSIVELY interested in GVG and no other part of WvW, a week of fighting SoR and BG would quite possibly be the best week you could ever have.

Who said we’re exclusively interested in anything? It’s just nice to find a group of players that want to actually fight you. Do you know how much effort we have to put in to find fights? We tend to either be fighting while outnumbered or watching people run away from us. It gets tiresome. Some weeks the only interesting fights we can get are GvGs.

Example. The only time I’ve seen a full SF group this week was from across the water at west keep. We broke in and were standing on the cliff looking at a keep full of far greater numbers than we had. They were standing on that wall stacking might for a good long while before we got bored and left. Tier 1 tactics. Bore the enemy until he leaves you alone to stroke your huge PPT.

Clockradio.3257:

GG your 30 can take a JQ small ops.

Those were small? T1 is a seriously messed up place if you need more than 40 to be considered more than small.

Clockradio.3257:

Note: I don’t GvG, and I’m not terribly familiar with the scene itself, but it’s fairly rare that a guild will just stop working a map at 9pm server to go GVG.

That’s exactly what we do. That’s also what spectators from all three sides do as well. Down here at T3, we can get an empty map queued with nothing but GvG related activity.

PPT is a measure of coverage. People need to get over the fact that a large amount of dedicated WvW players don’t care about it. NA seriously needs to catch up to the EU playstyle.

Chopps.5047:

Not really, it’s more like a boxing match where you’re not allowed to dodge punches like Mike. Because open field evasion “isn’t a true test of skill”. They want not the difference between a bar fight and a boxing match; no, they want a boxing match that’s focused on one fundamental skill. Just like my basketball analogy focused on one skill.

The GvG apologists are trying to push their simplified version of WvW and we don’t play that nonsense.

Have you seen videos of our GvGs? We don’t joust. Just because most guilds run strong melee core hammer trains doesn’t mean you have to. The only rule is that you can’t go hide behind walls, siege, or a zerg. That’s not a huge limitation, so maybe you should try fighting equal numbers against good guilds to see if you and your skills hold up. Right now you really have zero knowledge about how good you are as a guild.

tl;dr running around open world picking off less organized groups is weak sauce

Paz Shadow.9715:

Lol @Zoel, nice cop-out answer… you Mag’s are real good at excuses huh? Scoreboard sure shows it.

No, seriously. Pics of the conversations were posted to our forums. You really don’t seem to have a clue what’s going in this thread or in this match-up. Hope you get back to your T1 coverage wars soon where things make more sense.

I’m pretty sure our reputation is that we’re amazingly entertaining, have reasonably skilled players, and are willing to take any and all fights. When people think we have a poor reputation, it reflects more upon them than on us. Boring. Boring. Boring.

Your existence in T1 match-ups comes down to a roll of the dice. Nothing you can really do about that. Right now you’re slated to have about the same rating as Sanctum of Rall. I’m sure your practically unopposed SEA will keep that on track.

Vuziiness.9458:

We run tactical gameplay, we don’t care much for GvG, we play to win, if we wanted we could but thats not JQs usual play-style .

You’re already winning and pretty sure you’re going to still be winning at the end of the week. Might as well come out and play with us.

EDIT: You still don’t get that we don’t care about winning, do you? Most of us are just looking for fun fights. Congratulations on boring us off of maps?

Transfer to Anvil Rock.

Wilco.1458:

As said earlier, the major guilds on JQ do not GvG.

Part of why you won’t get much respect from us.

Robot Chocken.7012:

Does anyone have class or respect for other servers in Maguuma?

We respect some servers, yes. Your server? Not yet. From the way you’re talking here and the way you’re playing on the field, most likely not ever.

At least now we all know why EU makes so much fun of NA’s T1. Such a boring focus on PPT.

lordkrall.7241:

Sure, if you start doing it in sPvP instead of taking up slots and giving away points in WvW.

PPT is serious business.

[DERP] has been beaten by [Agg] and [NS]. I’m okay with that. I don’t want it to happen again, but even if it did, I’d probably still be okay with that.

Wick.1280:

Maguuma has a higher post count than WvW kills.

Hey, don’t knock it. At least threads with Maguuma are somewhat entertaining.

Why are you attempting to troll us by complimenting a guild we greatly respect that would most likely defend us against you? It’s silly. There’s absolutely no one that would believe that they’re the only Maguuma guild that fights open field, so you really need to take a moment and ponder how you’ve gotten to this place of ridiculous fail trolling. It’s disappointing, but I still got faith in you.

What’s with the ME obsession in this thread? They’re a good group of players, but I’ve never seen them singled out like this before.

It’s interesting how our best four or five guilds fill out a spectrum between extreme bowling ball and extreme kite. We all converse and borrow builds and ideas from each other, but our comps will always be different and we’ll always play differently.