No I am not a dev, but the reason why I say this is a bug is it makes sense. You shot a bullet, went invisible while the bullet is inbetween you and your enemy, the bullet hits, you became uninvisible. Nothing wrong with it. Same exact thing happens in melee, you start an attack, you go invisible, you finish the attack, you become uninvisible.
Most likely intended, unless it was a crit vs a normal shot. If it was full power, the trait might be OP. Where are you getting this +10% damage while holding a bundle trait? That is an engineer, thing, not a thief thing. Yes your carrying a stolen weapon, but it is not a bundle.
You go all over with your post… Also you might want to change your title, no clue what you mean by it.
Well it is not a bug, so there will be no fix. Attacking from stealth, if you hit, will unstealth you.
They’re just overpowered, no way to deny that. Just stealthing all the time not being able to get hit (o wow by AoE attacks but you can’t even see if you’ve hit them), and then just finishing any class with a few hits by pressing the same button over and over. No need for skills. Oh and just stealth if you want to run from fights and you can’t even be killed too.
Nice arguement….
Thieves are really easy to counter. Dodge their steal, and their super backstab combo is useless. If they land the stun, just break it and dodge roll out. Stealth? Just swing your weapon around (unless your ranged, try to hit if you get lucky, i have before [: ). Judge when they will go invisible, and immobilize them, then punish them. Also you seem to be generalizing thieves to one thing: Super Backstab with HS spam afterwards. Not all thieves do that. I laugh at thieves who do that while 1v1ing me. They are like Bull’s Rush 100b warriors, I dodge their combo, then obliterate them because they have nothing left. It really isn’t hard to beat a thief. Maybe you should try playing one, learn how they are, then counter them.
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What Janah said.
Bosses hit hard. I also run full knight armor with berserker for just the jewel slots, and run less into the defense line. I hit 13k->14k 100blades easy, even though I am not greatsword focused at all, it is just there mainly to take up space (I use double axes). Like Janah, I also dodge all the attacks I can.
I know my guild leader runs full pow/tough/vit armor with runes of divinity, along with the divinity rings from fractals, the triforge and the karka earring. He hits 15k 100b consistently, heard he gets up to 18k to 19k and can take damage like a boss.
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Steal (+ Hidden Thief) and all other stealth skills while using pistol autoattack do not work.
3 days later… bug still exists…
It is a “game breaker” bug! If my english does not make it clear, i recorded video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-zq-eX_6hE We need fix asap!This is not a bug, you are just not properly timing your stealth. You stealthed right as your pistol shot hit, thus causing you to go out of stealth.
I know what happens here. It MUST not be so! Otherwise i quit playing thief until they buf him to warrior damage + armor + hp + 0 dmg abilites etc. It is nearly impossible to catch moments between animations. Some skills are designed to be useful anytime, like “steal” or teleport.
If my defence mechanic does not work on demand it puts me in disadvantage.
I think, they reworked stealth mechanic (no patch notes, of course, who ever interested in it?) but not tested it properly.
Try dodge rolling then activating your stealth. At the end of the roll, your last hit should have contact, and you should be fine to stealth. Otherwise learn to turn away from the opponenet to stop shooting, or untarget, or have auto attack off.
But are they as survivable? I build my S/D build to survive and skirmish about 3 people.
Steal (+ Hidden Thief) and all other stealth skills while using pistol autoattack do not work.
3 days later… bug still exists…
It is a “game breaker” bug! If my english does not make it clear, i recorded video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-zq-eX_6hE We need fix asap!
This is not a bug, you are just not properly timing your stealth. You stealthed right as your pistol shot hit, thus causing you to go out of stealth.
Before the October update I was basically able to Daze lock people, but then they reduced the time the daze lasts. Sword/Dagger can still perform a close Daze lock, able to keep enemies dazed for 2 out of about 3.5 seconds, possibly more if the sigil that helps ‘Stun duration’ actually does help Daze duration. As for backstabbing, there is a lot of builds out there.
Why is the most mobile class also the class with the highest burst and best pvp defense (invisibility)?
Make invisibility break on taking damage or increase initiative cost on HS. As it is now, stealth has no counter except guess where the thief is and hope he/she dies in 1-2 hits.
Or immobolize them before they go invisible (I can not tell you how many times i have died because of getting immobilized for 4+ seconds). Get them inbetween their 3 second debuff in which they can not stealth if they used their invis skill. You can learn to daze/stun when they try to go invisible. Learn to read and fight them…. I find it is exactly like the GS warrior. Learn to dodge the Bull’s Rush, or continue dieing. Just because they are invisible doesn’t mean they are immune to everything.
Is blinding powder suppose to count as an attack? Before I could use it while invisible while by enemies, but now it makes me be uninvisible, and gives me the debuff.
Is the downed mesmer clone number 2 skills suppose to hit you while you are invisible? I have tested extended invisibilities, like shadow refuge, sat there for a few seconds, and every attack was hitting me.
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fYQQNAoYVlUmiOHfy9E/5Ey2jeqCJKuHGFS1UaFwJA;TsAA2CnoQygkAJLSOkkItsYUw0CA
So i run a 10/30/30/0/0 build. its a backstab stealth build with survivability.. i have 20k hp and still hit 4.5k-5k on backstabs. Is this decent? its very good for singling out targets in group battles and very good for escaping.
I actually JUST remade my S/D Shortbow thief with these exact trait points into a S/D and D/D backstab survivable thief build. Use Shadow refuge for a stealth, and blinding powder for another. If you take a 100B and can not get out of it, blinding powder and try to heal through it. I suggest using Berserker amulet, the one you are using is probably knight’s. The less health i find does not matter, you can always regen it in stealth.
Does anyone know if the second strike on flanking strike is suppose to be blockable? I have seen it blocked so many times….
Your character would be striking quickly, he would look like hes blurred while hes swinging and stabbing with shadows around him.
Example would be like: http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Blurred_Frenzy
I suppose. But then the skill would become terrible since it would root you in place. It will feel like pistol whip then. With the dodging mechanic, though, anet always seems to put movement into it. Like whirlwind attack, roll for intiative, serpent’s strike and many more. All are moving skills when they dodge.
Edit: I still love the idea about stealing the boon though.
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Well Flanking strike is one of the best (if not) the best sword skill so i really do hope they never change it. If at this point you haven’t figured out a way to make it hit 90%. you really need to go back to the drawing board and figure it out. even when it flings you in a random direction who cares. it gives you enough time to walk into range before your second strike starts.
A dodge, Boon remover, plus 1/4 More dmg then Cnd.
Luckily for us S/D users, this skill should (don’t quote me on this though) never get nerfed with all these people crying about how bad it is. Sure, the time between the two attack could be faster and sure the path could be better too, but over all it is one of my favorite skills.
Oh, your forgot unblockable on your list. Not sure if the 2nd strike can be blocked or not though.
But as for this ‘Vampiric Strike’ idea, I feel someone has read Twilight too many times….. It would need to be called something else. And evasion without moving? I don’t get it… It would not make sense in game to dodge without even moving. I would be completely fine with the stealing boon part though.
No problem! Glad you got something out of my vids/build haha. Haven’t tried it in tPvP but I can imagine it being quite useful as a trebber since invis can be used (in contrast to invis on point)
Actually, what I did run a few tournies with it. It served as a good bunker build, I just did not stay in stealth as long as you do. I am still able to cause mass confusion like you do by having so many clones in one small area. I am tempted to drop 10 from Chaos to put 10 into Illusions. Though defense would drop a bit (and boon duration), I still gain more into condition damage. But I am not doing it for that reason, I would do it for the illusionary persona, plus the might would be good for damage with conditions.
Edit: Oh, I was very impressed that I was able to spike down an unsuspecting D/D bunker ele while trebbing. I let him go though to support the rest of my team. One of the first time I beat D/D ele solo…..
Is the T3 light helmet always suppose to make your Asura bald, or is that as intended?
Hey Flimp, I just wanted to stop by here again to thank you for the build. I attempted a condition damage mesmer before, but failed at the build. This is the first condition damage build I have seen work so amazingly… I was even able to solo a D/D bunker, which I never thought would be possible for me. I let him go since i was trebbing though.
I am always impressed how you take on many people…and still able to finish people off. Takes skill to handle mobs solo. Love all your vids, and thanks for posting them.
Looks like a good dueling build, my main question is in the end of that vid…how could you see the thief after he went invis, and you started finishing him off before his invis buff went down.
I actually ran a similar build, only did a CC spike(ish) build (ran with frenzy instead of stomp and defy pain for defense). Though that was back in Beta, have not revisited it since then. It has a good balance between and and defense, but lacks condition removal. I personally ran runes of Melandru to help shake off conditions.
Oh, my most played times is around 3 server time, till around 8 or 9.
I am currently at rank 27 with plenty of experience in tournaments. I am also PvE, so I am not only focus on tournaments, but I would love a guild to do them with instead of pugs…. I mainly run a sword/dagger DPS thief that also has a mild defense. Though my rank may be a bit low, I feel I am a good player, I can 1v1 almost any class except for D/D eles…. Those seem to be my only bane if they know what they are doing. Other than that, I tend to roam, or go where I am told. If you have any other questions, feel free to ask me in game.
tPvP: The thief really isn’t that great except against pug teams. Any team that actually has bunker defenders will laugh as a thief tries to backstab them or kill in some other way. Especially with the mobility gains for the other classes, the thief isn’t that great. Verdict: Bottom half of classes.
Edit: Sorry, I meant to put quotes here.
Actually…I kind of laugh at bunkers. With S/D I can stand a chance against them 1v1. And, given enough time and depending on how good the bunker is, I eventually can solo kill. Thieves are not terrible for tPvP, you just need the right build.
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You know….it is about time i started using the forums.
Have you tried S/D? It’s by far my favorite weapon set and I’ve used them all extensively.
It is hard to find S/D people out there….I think we are few and far between. I, personally, love this set up. I suppose if you want to run a spike, D/D still seems to be the way to go at the moment. But with the right build, S/D is good sustained damage and has some great defensive capabilities.
Congratz. you made it through in 30 minutes. Lucky you. But this seems to be only for better players, but for some reason i am unable to complete it AT ALL. I HAVE spent 8 hours on this puzzle, and this is no exageration. No i do not have insanely slow reflexes. I am just some reason unable to do it. Arena Net did make this far too hard, especially with all the bugs that have been hindering me, not to mention giant norns.