Guild Wars 2

As Andy said, increasing your base clock will also increase your mem. There’s also a lot more to it than just increasing your base clock.

Most people with Q6600’s will be on stock cooling, & overclocking on stock cooling is definitely not recommended especially if they’ve got one of the HOT B3 stepping Q6600’s.

Sounds like your GPU is overheating. What are your loaded GPU temps?

Shorty.9873:

Would I see a fps improvement if I went from an intel 2500 to a 3570? Neither would be the k version so overclocking isn’t really an option. I’ve heard that this game is pretty cpu intensive.

Other PC specs. are gtx 460, 8 gigs ram, win7 64.

Zero point in doing that. If your going to get anything, get the 3570"K" version, so you can at least get some free performance from overlkittening.

zerph.1482:

No-I went from a 2500k (3.3) to 3570k (3.4), same video card and it’s pretty much the net same.

OC though might next more gains at the CPU level.

What a waste of time…

michael.6875:

Less people, the higher the GPU load goes up, thus great framerates, it makes no sense

It makes sense:

Low frame rate -> GPU processing less frames per second -> low GPU usage -> CPU not fast enough -> GPU idle, waiting for CPU

CPU ~45% load means -> core0 90-100% usage and core1,core2,etc.. only 0-10% usage because they are waiting for core0.

Conclusion:

low framerates = core0 is not fast enough so the other CPU cores and the GPU are waiting for the finalization of core0 tasks.

AMEN Brother. This also applies to pretty much every other FPS thread on here.

Problem is your processor. It’s to slow & basically, well it’s an AMD.

Juzzgnel.6370:

so, my gpu is fine ? cause i cant even play wvw
for sPvP i can easily play with no problem..smooth..

No, your gpu is also very low end & will need upgrading at some point if you want more fps.

No surprise here mate. Running a >10year old 32bit operating system on brand new current gen hardware is just asking for trouble anyway.

Core i5-3570K (3.4G,L3:6M,iGPU,4C,77W,rev.E1) with a decent aftermarket cooler, then overclock it to 4.5Ghz, then your good to go.

Is the fan working? Download MSI Afterburner & setup a custom fan profile.

G’day,

The difference between drivers is so small your not even going to notice. Just install the latest & play the game…

Yeah go the Intel, you won’t regret it. Whatever you do, do not get another Amd processor at this point in time.

MajorMelchett.6042:

I have a GTX480 and run it with an X4 PII @ 3.7ghz (not exactly a top of the line gaming CPU), at 1080p with everything maxed out (apart from maxed water reflections – as i don’t like loosing a few FPS when no water is around), the graphics card has never gone over 70% usage – heck i can even run it with supersample but don’t as it’s hard to spot the difference.

Simply put, this game will never use all of your GTX480 even at 2560×1440, let alone 1920×1200 as the game is CPU bound in a lot of areas – so the question is, what CPU have you got to go with the 480?. Will you see an FPS drop?, most likely, will it be your GPU causing it?, most likely not.

Screen grab of my current usage, all maxed out and a custom 2194×1080 res (for better FOV).

Umm, LOL… You never go over 70% gpu usage because your cpu is bottlenecking. I get 99% GPU usage on BOTH my 660TI’s in some areas running 2560×1600. Your fps will crash/burn when there are a few people onscreen no doubt. 60FPS looking at not much at all isn’t very impressive.

Simply put, you really don’t know what your talking about.

When will these threads ever end…..

For starters, it’s not exactly the same engine. It’s completely different/revamped/re-done/released in 2012. Just because you can run other games, does not automatically mean GW2 will run @ 1000fps. Doesn’t work like that.

How you think the game SHOULD run & how it ACTUALLY runs are two completely different things. If you searched you’d quickly see that ALL AMD processors get VERY bad performance in GW2. Sorry, but this is your reality.

orlen.7810: Totally agree. That is the entire point of PC gaming. If it’s slow/old just upgrade (or overclock) it & stop QQ’ing about how bad it runs on 6yr old hardware. Can’t do that on a console.

Did you not see the massive LOW FPS thread?

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/tech/Low-FPS-merged/page/24#post308169

Anyway, nothing wrong with your laptop & your fps are pretty good considering. Can’t really expect much more from a laptop with a slow processor & VERY low end Gpu.

Generetic.1203:

Hey does anyone know how to put a voltage cap or smthg ? I oc’d to 4 ghz but it’s automatically going to almost 1.4 volts which is waaay too high for that. Any way to cap it at 1.2 ??

Go into bios & do it. Look for “Vcore”. Try 1.25v to start. If it’s stable you can lower it a bit depending on temps. You don’t want it going over 75c.

Mrflushy.8342:

It’s not wise to recommend someone to overclock there system if you don’t know them. Cause you really don’t know how computer savvy the user is overall.

kittenally cares? I’m just a random internet bro anyway & OP wan’t more FPS. Overclocking will get him more FPS instantly & for free. He can do his own research on how to do it. Worse than can hapkitten his system wont boot & will need a clr cmos.

ANY dual core + GW2 = bad FPS
AMD Dual core + GW2 = EXTREMELY bad fps
ANY AMD cpu + GW2 = bad fps

GW2 runs fine on high end rigs & IMO is optimized pretty well. Never ever had any issue with FPS in any situation.

Generetic.1203:

I really don’t want to damage my cpu tho I just got it…:/

It’s pretty much impossible to damage a processor through overclocking. Time to put on your big boy pants & overclock like a real man.

Overclock to at least 4ghz or more & report back.

tekwiz.8635:

a dolyak machine with gamebooster is still, well, a dolyak

/Agreed, gamebooster only works if your system is loaded with crap/spyware/adware/malware. If your cpu usage idling in Windows doing nothing is 0-10% then gamebooster wil do absolutely ZERO. If your cpu usage is >10% while doing nothing in windows gamebooster MAY give you 1-2 more FPS.

Strong placebo effects are also common with gamebooster.

Tarwada.3507:

So all what i got to do is waiting a patch :/
Ok thanks

Your laptop is slow. A patch is not going to fix a slow laptop, sorry.

Lucky for you that you bought a 2500k. Go into bios set Cpu multiplier to 40×. Reboot & enjoy double the fps.

The only fix for Amd cpu’s is a new Intel i5/7 motherboard & Cpu.

Unfortunately none of your components are very strong. Upgrading either one will probably result in a 0% performance increase.

If you do upgrade, do not get an Amd system (see GW2 & AMD thread). You’ll need to go Quad i5/7 if you want a quality gaming experience.

What i5 is that?

Err, what’s the problem? So GW2 is using your processor… Do you want it to run on air?

Not to sure what your getting at.

Any current gen graphics card will be bottlenecked by that cpu & I can guarantee you will not be happy with your performance until you upgrade the rest of your system.

No point in sticking a new gpu in there if the cpu cant feed it.

Natas.1306:

Gotta love all those improvised computer technicians repeating the same thing on each thread saying the CPU bottleneck the video card.

To OP, best you can do is wait for Anet to patch the game to improve performance and wait for AMD to release newer drivers.

Ha Ha Ha, gotta love these guy’s who think a patch is going to increase performance by 1000%. Good luck with that…

Op’s system is very unbalanced, if you don’t know that then you really are a noob.

Swordbreaker.2581:

Get two 7970s and its only like 60 bucks more than two 670s and a lot more powerful.

Good idea, he can then have all the Xfire issues that come with it.

Chrystolis.7349:

Cbuzz.5083:

Current gen GPU + Old CPU = VERY poor FPS.

The old Q6600 has no chance of feeding a 7970 enough data to keep it even remotely busy. Way to old/slow. I wouldn’t be surprised if your GPU usage was 10-20% most of the time.

My GPU usage was 99%, CPU usage was 25%. That’s what’s baffling me. The FPS also seems fantastic in other games at max settings. If my CPU were the bottleneck, wouldn’t it be pushing 99% usage?

Your gpu usage is 99% in GW2 with a Q6600+HD7970? I find that hard to believe.

External GPU on a laptop will end badly. Way to expensive & your processor will be underpowered.

Current gen GPU + Old CPU = VERY poor FPS.

The old Q6600 has no chance of feeding a 7970 enough data to keep it even remotely busy. Way to old/slow. I wouldn’t be surprised if your GPU usage was 10-20% most of the time.

Enable Vsync, lower shadows & reflections a little.

AndyPandy.3471:

Cbuzz.5083:

At that low resolution you are passing most of the work to your Cpu which isn’t particularly strong. Why did you even get a 660Ti for that resolution?

A 150€,- CPU for GW2 “isn’t particularly strong”, there is something seriously broken with GW2 than. Also what exactly means “passing most of the work to your Cpu”, what has the resolution to-do with “passing” GPU work, if u cap to vsync anyway.

PS: Just noticed your sig “3930k@5Ghz” oki a kitten kid, this explains why. So yes u can “solve” the GW2 crappy engine performance, by throwing excessive money at a problem, which should not exist in the first place.

Ha Ha Ha, haven’t been called a kid for 30years but thanks anyway. The lower the resolution you run, the more work your Cpu has to do because the gpu has to render less pixels & there is physically less on screen.

Gadzooks.4687:

Cbuzz.5083:

This is a PC (COMPUTER) MMO game released in 2012 Expecting it to run perfectly with 100000FPS on 6yr old hardware is a joke.

Probably best if you just stick to Wow.

Based on the latest version of Direct X 9, which came out in 2004. There is no reason why any hardware in the last 6 years shouldnt be able to run this game on LOW settings at a steady 30 FPS.

If they based in on DX11 only then all the bro’s with DX9 Gpu’s would have another sook. Doesn’t look like the Dev’s can do anything right…

alphacentari.7692:

The thing is the recommended system requirements said nothing about needing a i5-i7 ivy bridge chip if they had most people could have spent 60$ on something else or at least the game wouldn’t have been a disappointment because you would have known you were gonna get crap performance.

http://www.game-debate.com/games/index.php?g_id=684&game=Guild%20Wars%202

I don’t see any official “Recommended Sys Req” ?? Link pls.

Gadzooks.4687:

Cbuzz.5083:

The idea is to get as close to 99% cpu/gpu usage all of the time, but obviously that will never happen because one or the other is going to choke, it always does. There is never a perfect match. Using a Core2Duo with a GTX680 will get identical or sometimes worse FPS than an old 8800GT. Because the Gpu is ALWAYS waiting for instructions from the processor.

If you eliminate the processor bottleneck eg: i7 3960x, then you’ll ALWAYS see close to 99-100% gpu usage because the gpu is not waiting for instructions from the processor. Which in turn = more FPS.

There are some flaws here.

1. Many people are reporting no where NEAR 99% load on their CPU, but still its “bottlenecking”. Myself, my CPU load never goes higher than 70%, and often, my GPU is at 0%. This isnt a true hardware bottleneck, its a “soft cap” set by whatever the developers coded the CPU to do. Unused CPU resources go to waste, resulting in bad performance.

2. Gpu always waiting on CPU is realy dependent on how the programmers coded the game. For instance, Alien vs Predator 2, has a VERY low cpu overhead, maybe netting around 11% CPU load, but your GPU will be constantly working because thats how they designed the game. A game like GW2 (still based on Dx9, which is YEARS old), hardly pushes off ANYTHING to the GPU.

Bad design decision from a developer standpoint imo. If i had to guess, id say its related to the Umbra tech they inherited. Umbra allows for a special type of 3d object occlusion that is supposed to help the game perform better. This is for things like 3d buildings, trees, hills, and other static world objects. I have a feeling this tech is also being used for player models as well. Using this tech with player models adds a huge new element of dynamic calculations that have to be made before the Umbra tech can even start working. And this isnt even considering the fact that in large battles, there are more player models to keep track of than say, buildings in a city that you can see on your screen at any one time.

The devs have their hands full regardless, trying to figure out how to optimize this, especially 2 of the major parts of the games hyped, Dragon/Big Boss fights, and WvWvW, are the 2 things most affected by these performance issues.

You don’t need to try & convince me otherwise. I’ve been doing this forever & I know how it works. I’ve got 6 PC systems here which I play with/test daily. ALL of which conform to what I’ve stated above to the TEA.

Barosmare.2196:

I wasn’t expecting arenanet to send me a new pc lol…
however with the money needed to buy a new pc I’d rather play wow for at least 3 more years with runs like butter at MAX settings.
And pls let that be the one and only mention on wow here, I don’t want this thread to turn into something else but that’s just practical thinking if you think about it…

btw, yes I am aware the the cpu is bottle necking my rig but honestly I played much more impressive games on my rig with much higher fps, lets not deny the fact that there are still problems with gw2’s optimisation.

Wait, you already know your processor is slow… So why did you make this thread again?

Also, what are these other “impressive” games you play on such an old system with WAY higher fps? (don’t say wow).

Mrowqa.3861:

So i’d be good idea to leave that GTX 260 and get Bran new CPU.
While looking on price let’s say something like
AMD PHENOM II X4 965
AMD X6 FX-6200
AMD X4 FX-4170?

They seem to be fine on par with i5 ( a bit slower ) tho a difference in a price by 100% is noticable

While you will see strong FPS increase with a new processor, that Gpu is still old. Also do not get an Amd processor (see GW2 & Amd thread), they are not on par with i5/7, not even close.

BCDragon.5614:

I am not arrogant but I sure as hell am not going to put up with someone coming off as being rude either which is exactly what your last post did.

Not rude, just saying that Amd is crap. Your taking it to personally. I’m allowed to have an opinion.

BCDragon.5614:

Cbuzz.5083:

BCDragon.5614:

Well thanks guys, but I think I am going to get this…..the intel one I have now sucks so I think this is better.

Why even come here & ask then? Seems you’ve already made your mind up & you’ve already been warned about Amd so good luck with that.

Its called asking for opinions and then making a decision? Holy christ, get off your high horse.

Mate, I’m not riding a horse. How can I ride a horse & type this? You fail there.

I thought I was arrogant, but you even trump me.

BCDragon.5614:

Well thanks guys, but I think I am going to get this…..the intel one I have now sucks so I think this is better.

Why even come here & ask then? Seems you’ve already made your mind up & you’ve already been warned about Amd so good luck with that.

I thought the reason would be obvious. Your comparing an i7 Quad to a 6yr old C2D.

It works like this:
bad cpu / good graph card = bad FPS
STRONG CPU / bad graph card = GOOD FPS

The idea is to get as close to 99% cpu/gpu usage all of the time, but obviously that will never happen because one or the other is going to choke, it always does. There is never a perfect match. Using a Core2Duo with a GTX680 will get identical or sometimes worse FPS than an old 8800GT. Because the Gpu is ALWAYS waiting for instructions from the processor.

If you eliminate the processor bottleneck eg: i7 3960x, then you’ll ALWAYS see close to 99-100% gpu usage because the gpu is not waiting for instructions from the processor. Which in turn = more FPS.

BCDragon.5614:

I am playing GW2 on a laptop now….sigh

I’m assuming which is why you want to upgrade sigh…

At that low resolution you are passing most of the work to your Cpu which isn’t particularly strong. Why did you even get a 660Ti for that resolution?

Like you said, your pc is crappy. Changing res/settings with no FPS boost means your processor is choking the rest of your system.

That’s the deal & your conclusion is wrong. I don’t think Anet is going to send you a brand new pc to play on.

BCDragon.5614:

Low end? How is that low end? I think its better than what I have which is Intel Core 2 Duo Processor P7350 and I can play on the low settings with this? Not trying to sound like I know everything because I don’t. Just need some more light shed on this before I make a final decision.

If your planning on playing GW2 on a laptop then it’s not going to end well. Especially, if it has an Amd cpu.

ZaxanRazor.6235:

That’s rubbish. I have no FPS issues on my i7 2600K and it’s not overclocked at the moment. GPU is 670.

Without vsync on, I’m now comfortable over 60FPS (into the 90s) in nearly everything.

WvW averages just above 60.

Try running 2560×1600 with EVERYTHING “TRULY” maxed. Your 670 will crash & burn.

Also, strong FPS exaggerating.

Silverfox.1609:

Cbuzz.5083:

Crashing is usually a hardware fault.

Maybe, but this is an acknowledged fault but there has been no further information for weeks. Plus if it actually were a hardware fault I wouldn’t be complaining that it wasn’t working.

What is acknowledged? How can they acknowledge a “crash” ?? A crash is a crash, 90% of the time your system crashes it’s a hardware issue. Believe it or not, your system may not be stable just because it can run “OTHER” games…

Tech.5423:

Cbuzz.5083:

Crashing is usually a hardware fault.

Not true. Funny how we all have similar issues then. Its the game. Why can some of us run other games just fine except this one?

This game stresses your system WELL beyond other titles. Actually this game stresses your system even more than Rift & that was relentless.

Believe it or not, your system may not be stable just because it can run “OTHER” games…

LethalBlade.6137:

If you are running a high end video card, such as a GTX 580 or 680, along with a CPU running at less than 3.2ghz, you are choking the video card. The video card is only as fast as the CPU can feed it. Plus, GW2 is very CPU dependent (as are most MMOs). Overclocking the CPU is quick and easy, and modern CPUs are designed with overclocking in mind. There are many simple overclocking guides available if you are not familiar with it. Give it a try, you just might be amazed at the results.

Yeah this is true. To truly unlock the power of a single GTX6xx in THIS MMO you’ll need an i5/7 @ >4Ghz. To truly unlock the power of GTX6xx SLi in THIS MMO you’ll need i5/i7 @ >4.5Ghz.

By “Truly Unlock” I mean 90-99% GPU usage >90% of the time ingame unles your Vsync capped, then you’ll just be pulling 60fps permanantly. Once you go beyond 4.5Ghz on the processor & have SLi everything just becomes fluid. It’s really quite interesting watching the FPS increase as you increase the cpu MHz.