Guild Wars 2

Hi what happened to this room? I tried to get there earlier but now there is just wall where the entrance used to be? For info of location look at map in the right corner.

Arheundel.6451:

At the moment you can run 5 ELES and beat everyone, warriors can’t even deal dmg to them, and not even close at stomping! – After discussing with people I’ve come the conclusion that, “IF YOU CAN RUN MORE THAN ONE OF THE SAME CLASS IN A GAME E.G. 3 ELES, it’s broken”.

5 Warriors team
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsy1wmn1--U&feature=player_embedded

ROFL, yeah @Chukree “IF YOU CAN RUN MORE THAN ONE OF THE SAME CLASS IN A GAME E.G. 3 WARRIORS, it’s broken"…well said my friend

P.S Just another video showing how warriors are UP and useless in PvP, “3 of the same class in a game it’s broekn”…can’t stop laughing…even the developers must be laughing after reading this thread

I dont know what your point is? This is a complete kitten video with kitten warriors against a kitten team. Try let the 5 warriors fight a decent paid team.. You’re so pve’ish. vid of pugs fighting some lamers. You really know stuff about this game.

Hyxorcisten.5786:

Chukree.1756:

Played GW 1 for 6 years. Should i bring up all builds? I’ve been around MANY builds in gw 2. Suggest something viable. Arrange a warrior meet up please. I’m one of the most active warriors in game PvP wise. I’ve talked with all warriors worth talking to. Fredz doesnt play warrior anymore. Do you suggest some american guy who plays with an old meta?

Fredzw is playing warrior like 99% of his games atm^

Good to hear!

showatt.9413:

daydream.2938:

showatt.9413:

Warrior needs more viable playstle than just 100b rush.

Imo We can start by reducing the damage they do with 100b ( or longer cd ) and buff the survivability of gs/som builds. (give debuff removers)

This way we get less cheese warrior and more people willing to try other builds. And then we can buff other warrior builds from there so people actually have a choice with warriors.

Your solution to what is probably the worst (debatable warrior vs engy) class in the game is to nerf it?

Other builds need a buff, the only concern is that in buffing other weapons/builds they dont somehow allow for a combo w the existing 100b spec to become OP.

If 100b doesn’t get nerfed – no matter how slightly – even if you do buff other builds ( unless to the same calibre as 100b build where you still get a decent burst while becoming more survivable.) people will be more inclined to play 100b build (newb at least). Why press several buttons to kill someone when you can press 3?

Plus, you said it yourself.

“in buffing other weapons/builds they dont somehow allow for a combo w the existing 100b spec to become OP. "

So how do we do that? Easiest way out. nerf 100 b.

I really don’t see what’s so bad about it o,o

PS. I thought you want other builds buff because you only got 100b to play with? if you’re so sick of 100b why do you go into defensive mode when people ask for 100b nerf, especially when you’re getting what you want : that is buff to other warrior builds? Something ain’t right here….

100b is 8 blades hitting and you can’t move with it. You only rely on 4 hits max if immobilized or a full if ppl dont have any stunbreakers etc. left… and it only hits 5k max on bunkers. So?

Seed.5467:

I think that if they reduce the cooldown on some key-skills, would solve some of the many problems, that the warrior at the moment has.

For example. I am running since beta an Axe/shield warrior. As a sec weapon i prefer a Hammer for CC. Even though i am not specced for it.

30 – V,X,XI – Berserkers Power, Axe mastery, Physical training

10 – V – Rending Strikes

20 – I, IX – Embrace the Pain , Shield Master

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10 – VI – Signet Mastery

As you can see i have traited 30 Points on Strength, just to get “Physical Training”. By doing this i achieve two things.
The first and most important is the reduced cooldown. So instead of 40 sec on Bull´s charge i have 32 sec. The second is the 100% more damage, on physical skills.

Then i have 20 on defence, just to get the reduction cooldown on my shield. So now shieldbash is on 20 sec cooldown instead of 25 sec.
Shieldstance is on 24 secs cooldown instead of 30. The other is the 90 toughness that comes with it.

So far, i have spend 50 trait points just to have a reduction of my key skills. Thus leaving me 20 trait points to use.
From those 20 points that i have, i have to make a choice how do i spend them wisely. Since i am using “Heal-signet” and “Signet of rage”, it makes sense to spend 10 points to get “Signet mastery”, because of the reduced cooldown. That is 16 sec on healing signet and 48 sec on rage signet.

And the rest 10 points just to cause “Vulnerbility” on my targets.

To put it simply, i have spend 60 trait points just to achieve reduced cooldown on my key skills. Even though i have reduced cooldown, still feels like a long time when fighting. If there wasn´t such cooldowns without traits, then i would have spend my points on other usefull traits to cope with the conditions, that without help from my team surely i will die.

These days the frontline consists of Eles,Thiefs and Guardians. Midline is for Engineers, mesmers and Rangers. Backline, is for warriors. If that is called balanced well……

So to answer the OP, the warrior does not suck, just feels for the lack of better words just “blah”.

Regards

Seed

You have a point about cool downs. But you’re mainly on about PvE, where warriors is some of the best of what I’ve heard.

Resouled.5614:

Chukree.1756:

Resouled.5614:

No, just no.

Warriors are fine. Only thing is buffing shake it off to 3 condi removed. Besides that they got tons of decent builds.

This is a pvp section.

Yeah, it is. Go cry in the warrior section if you want to.

Yeah. I’ve posted there as well. I’m making a serious post. Go troll your class mates instead.

Played GW 1 for 6 years. Should i bring up all builds? I’ve been around MANY builds in gw 2. Suggest something viable. Arrange a warrior meet up please. I’m one of the most active warriors in game PvP wise. I’ve talked with all warriors worth talking to. Fredz doesnt play warrior anymore. Do you suggest some american guy who plays with an old meta?

Schwahrheit.4203:

Definitely agree with how broken Ele’s are compared to Warriors or Thieves. There is no point in picking any other Roamer other than Ele cause stacking sustain and mobility with decent DPS is too easy, face-roll, and brainless.

Verdict on Warrior? All they really need is mobile strikes to be buffed and tactics minor traits revamped. Maybe even buff the Warrior heals to cleanse every type of slows.

-Buffing Mobile Strikes is reasonable because this time people actually have to “time” their slows and not just spam it. It takes zero thought to spam slows on a Warrior and it’d be nice if Ele’s or Necro’s actually took skill vs. Warriors this time around.
-Tactics minor traits, nothing else to be said. Minor traits focusing on Reviving people with an “aggressive class?” A bunch of monkeys could do a better job than this. Really pathetic balancing on ANET’s part.
-Why do I focus on cleansing slows? Warriors can trade hits with condition DAMAGE, let alone actually dodge it. Warriors shouldn’t have too much mitigation vs. condition DAMAGE because some classes rely on CONDITIONS to deal damage. You can’t simply nerf condition damage against a class.
-Slows are the true problem simply because most of the disengage skills get their range cut in half due to slows causing condition DAMAGE to be rapidly applied easily. Slows completely shuts down the class due to how your mobility and attack range gets cut significantly since very little thought process was given with Warriors and SLOWS.

Disagree with Thief “AoE” being strong. You clearly didn’t try to play Thief at a competitive level. Their AoE damage (short bow, caltrops) is garbage compared to Trap Rangers, Combustive Shot, Ele’s, or Shatter Mesmers. The only thing they have going for them is the fact that they insta-gib anyone the moment your stun break is down.

Verdict on Thief? Balanced. Why? They don’t have stacking sustain like Ele, their “I messed up” button is easier to deal with simply because they take as much damage back as they deal. And Thief Burst such as Venom only kills people who stun breaks late OR doesn’t have a stun break available.

TL;DR Anyone who still complains about Thieves are at an 800-1200 ELO range. Pretty much the same people who complained about the old Eve. It is a fault on the players part for the most part.

Yeah closter bombs crit 5 k on light. and the manual is AoE. They shouldnt COMPARE to rangers etc. They’re single target and shouldnt even deal high dmg ranged.

Arheundel.6451:

“Ele in GW1 was weaker than GW2 ele”…this is one of the best jokes I had the pleasure to read on these forums.

A hero rank 9/gladiator rank 6 ele here and to answer to your claim that GW2 ele is stronger than GW1 ele…you’ve got no idea of what the GW1 ele was capable of:

1) perma Weakness = dmg reduced by 66%
2) perma blind= 90% miss rate chance
3) knockdown lock
4) perma burning
5) most powerful elites in the game= lightning surge, invoke, shockwave, mind burn, mind blast, savanna heat, searing flames…crazy
6) lightning surge was kd and 180 dmg on a 500 HP character, I could follow with orb of lightining for another 150 dmg, 2 attacks and you were already at 200 HP
7) mind blast for infinite energy
8) I could walk in and stand toe to toe with 2 warriors= shockwave+kd lock and kill both warriors
9) I could use armor of sanctity and take 0 dmg from every nearby mele attacker……
0 DMG
10) All this while having same HP of a warrior
11) in GW1 5 eles meant instant death ( literally) for any players, invoke spike GG

In all this, GW2 ele is nothing but a fraction of what ele was back in GW1…consider yourself lucky

Glad 9/champ 2 warrior here. Guild wars 1. You obviously play gw2 PvE. Eles were strong, but GW 1 was a monk game. This isnt. You never played bunker ele in GW 2.

Ele is the most OP class in game now every pvp would agree. I dont like ignorance.

Resouled.5614:

No, just no.

Warriors are fine. Only thing is buffing shake it off to 3 condi removed. Besides that they got tons of decent builds.

This is a pvp section.

Sadistis.4257:

I run my warrior just fine, but I know the average person has issues with warriors however.

My advice to warriors who want to compete in sPvP/tPvP is as follows.

-Don’t cookie cutter HB fit.
– This alone is one of the main weaknesses of the warrior and how it is viewed. Some people do it well, but it’s not an I-Win for people who don’t specifically work at and enjoy this playstyle. (see my third and final point)

-Look at the weaknesses and find a fix.
-Signet of Stamina is beautiful against conditions and is necessary to kill mesmers with confusion, as well as remove bleeding as it stacks too high, and remove massive stacks of conditions from traps/condition professions.
-Traits are a wonderful thing, from changing to a shield to gain 90 toughness, to a very important ability where movement skills break immobility, stun, ect.

-Play a style that you are going to enjoy, and work at.
-Believe me, I get scoffed at when running dual axe/sword shield crit/bleed fit but it puts out mad damage with great survivability, mobility, and CC. However if you work at a specific fitting instead of looking for an I-Win button and see what works and adapt your fit, as well as run at a pace which you enjoy you will be much better of a player.

TL:DR
I Don’t Even Lift

I would like to imply that I’ve played 1600 + games as warrior in pvp. On a high plan. It’s just not viable in paids. So far.

Cogbyrn.7283:

I wanted to read your post to take a break from work, but the alternation of caps made me stop at roughly a paragraph in.

Sorry. It’s a way to line up important stuff, and frustatration at the same time. Would love if you took your time.

MOBILITY:

You should THINK that, with all the LEAPS, warrior would be the beast in mobility. But what does it matter, when other roamers can “Ride The lightning” away from everything, teleport shoot itself on top of KEEP, CLOCK TOWER, and other places. And why not teleport thruogh the walls! Ele/thief/DPS guardian.

And speaking of leaps… Who was the idiot who made HEART SEEKER leap 450 range? And Eviscerate 300 range? AND EVEN CAUSING THE SAME DAMAGE SPAMABLE. I mean. IT’S THE WARRIOR BURST. Shouldn’t it be a speciality, I mean, Great Sword burst, is that really worth using in ANY situation? “No…” – “Good then..”

MANAUL HITS: should be something the warrior should rely on. BUT thief does it better! Why? Because all traits the thief has gives it 10% more damage! And someone somewhere don’t care.

SPEAKING OF TRAITS:

Warrior traits doesnt cooperate. You can’t have survivabilty and GOOD damage at the same time. MOBILE STRIKES (the trait – makes you able to break immobilizes when you use a movement skill).. THIS is a trait you want, when you can’t cure every condition, or SHORT BOW (5) you away like Ele / thief, but you want SWEET REVENGE as well but you can’t have it! ’Cuz you want leg specialist as well and you want damage!
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Warrior is the WORST profession. It’s only good with bunkers and other OP meta-setups, like the OP ele’s, wells etc., and then it doesn’t do the same job (AT ALL) as a thief!?

Sure, you’ve been slayed by a good/terrible warrior, and you got mad of a hundred blade. But that doesn’t make the warrior viable. Their damage is seperated, IT’S NOT single HARD HITS. That makes it even less lethal and easier to break.
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QUICKNESS:

You’d really love if the warrior were the only class with this ability because it’s the only class who really need this to land a full spike.
I wouldn’t go in details but.

Mesmer: Time warp. 10 Seconds, making all classes that shouldnt have quickness way too powerful. (Mesmer shatter AoE as well.. this has no ending)

Thief: Haste + heart seekers. And even hitting 4-5 hits IN STEALTH. Those skills are op.

Frenzy is not. Make you even squishier. And the effect can be so self-lethal. AND no! ANET, it doesnt have the same effect as in GUILD WARS 1. (can’t be spammed, can’t be broken)

… The story ends here. Frustrations are everywhere and it’s hard for me to get all my thought about the warrior written down.
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I need a DEFINITION.

What is the warriors role. Isn’t a warrior A WARRIOR?

Is Anet blind? They think it’s good because some Americans played it once? Europe shortly figured the strongest meta wasn’t warriors at all. The american warriors are unemployed atm!

I don’t know.

Fellas, respond please. Take your time. What’s correct what’s not. Other thoughts?

Be objective.

Laters.

The PvP Warrior: By Phd In Stomponomics
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SOMETHING is wrong with the warrior mechanic. I’ve been SLEEPLESS ever since this game came out. My FAVOURITE CLASS from GUILD WARS 1 (of 6 years), trashed, by ANET. How so? I don’t know. No warrior knows. Apparantly noone complains either!
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FACT IS: The warrior mechanic is BROKEN. Why? The warrior is a “lethal BEAST” that shouldn’t be killed in a few seconds, tho EASY to CC, but HARD to break down!

[Go on..!!]

In GUILD WARS 2, your warrior rush in, deal DECENT DMG (compared to the thief). You’re in combat, you’re near the enemy. IF YOU DON’T KILL you die, because conditions will get you down (Chill, cripple – STUFF THAT MAKES YOU UNABLE TO DISENGAGE).

I’ll STRUCTURE my topic AND let’s start:

Shield stance (blocks 3 seconds): You would think that this skill would save you from classes like necros and rangers. BUT NO. Necro wells deal 10’000 DAMAGE to your warrior UNBLOCKABLE! (what??!) You loose to the AoE class, Necro! You should think you could survive against ranger traps, same story, my friend…

Let me tell you a thing real quick…
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Everyone who ever played GUILD WARS 1 knew that: traps weren’t fast-casted and they were easily interupted! In GUILD WARS 2, you spam your strong AoE’s as a ranger, you don’t even care!

Everyone who ever played GUILD WARS 1 knew that: Assassins/thieves didnt have ranged ability (short bow) they spiked in a decent tempo, but able to track people down if they were really far away from their team mates! At this point – Thieves deal the greatest dmg AoE+ranged AND the fastest most lethal damage nearby. AND highest mobility.

- “…Yeah you’ve seen them, the one shot once, yeah, those thieves. You accuse them for macro, well knowing they dont, you just smash your head in your keyboard if you don’t react with a STUN BREAKER, if you have one.. Oh! wait you’re updrafted, kitten you then! …”

and BTW …….if you’re a warrior? You want to run Endure Pain (5 sec, 0 damage) if you want to be good against the thief. BUT you need stability if you want to track down Necros. You cant have both!

And this is why I’ve been SLEEPLESS – Elementalists:

This is yet another reason why my BELOVED warrior is useless in PvP. The ele specc is too strong! Everyone knows that! Really? Even ELES tehmselves? “Well yeah..?” “Oh….. and Anet as well?” “YES! kitten #8221;

Everyone who ever played GUILD WARS 1 knew that: Ele’s were WEAK in combat. IF a warrior caught up on it could deal great damage. The ele damage wasnt that powerful, but it had a few advantages against melees but not enough to outdmg them EVER. GUILD WARS 1 was a monk game! So in this case you shouldnt give eles HEAL advantages so you feel like they have a monk! ’Cuz warriors aint even close to have that. THE WARRIOR HEAL IS WORSE THAN GW 1 HEAL SIGNET! “A huh?” 2 Conditions and 1/5th of your full HP?

At the moment you can run 5 ELES and beat everyone, warriors can’t even deal dmg to them, and not even close at stomping! – After discussing with people I’ve come the conclusion that, “IF YOU CAN RUN MORE THAN ONE OF THE SAME CLASS IN A GAME E.G. 3 ELES, it’s broken”.
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PART 2:

MOBILITY:

You should THINK that, with all the LEAPS, warrior would be the beast in mobility. But what does it matter, when other roamers can “Ride The lightning” away from everything, teleport shoot itself on top of KEEP, CLOCK TOWER, and other places. And why not teleport thruogh the walls! Ele/thief/DPS guardian.

And speaking of leaps… Who was the idiot who made HEART SEEKER leap 450 range? And Eviscerate 300 range? AND EVEN CAUSING THE SAME DAMAGE SPAMABLE. I mean. IT’S THE WARRIOR BURST. Shouldn’t it be a speciality, I mean, Great Sword burst, is that really worth using in ANY situation? “No…” – “Good then..”

MANAUL HITS: should be something the warrior should rely on. BUT thief does it better! Why? Because all traits the thief has gives it 10% more damage! And someone somewhere don’t care.

SPEAKING OF TRAITS:

Warrior traits doesnt cooperate. You can’t have survivabilty and GOOD damage at the same time. MOBILE STRIKES (the trait – makes you able to break immobilizes when you use a movement skill).. THIS is a trait you want, when you can’t cure every condition, or SHORT BOW (5) you away like Ele / thief, but you want SWEET REVENGE as well but you can’t have it! ’Cuz you want leg specialist as well and you want damage!
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Warrior is the WORST profession. It’s only good with bunkers and other OP meta-setups, like the OP ele’s, wells etc., and then it doesn’t do the same job (AT ALL) as a thief!?

Sure, you’ve been slayed by a good/terrible warrior, and you got mad of a hundred blade. But that doesn’t make the warrior viable. Their damage is seperated, IT’S NOT single HARD HITS. That makes it even less lethal and easier to break.
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QUICKNESS:

You’d really love if the warrior were the only class with this ability because it’s the only class who really need this to land a full spike.
I wouldn’t go in details but.

Mesmer: Time warp. 10 Seconds, making all classes that shouldnt have quickness way too powerful. (Mesmer shatter AoE as well.. this has no ending)

Thief: Haste + heart seekers. And even hitting 4-5 hits IN STEALTH. Those skills are op.

Frenzy is not. Make you even squishier. And the effect can be so self-lethal. AND no! ANET, it doesnt have the same effect as in GUILD WARS 1. (can’t be spammed, can’t be broken)

… The story ends here. Frustrations are everywhere and it’s hard for me to get all my thought about the warrior written down.
__________________________________________________________________

I need a DEFINITION.

What is the warriors role. Isn’t a warrior A WARRIOR?

Is Anet blind? They think it’s good because some Americans played it once? Europe shortly figured the strongest meta wasn’t warriors at all. The american warriors are unemployed atm!

I don’t know.

Fellas, respond please. Take your time. What’s correct what’s not. Other thoughts?

Be objective.

Laters.

The PvP Warrior: By Phd In Stomponomics
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SOMETHING is wrong with the warrior mechanic. I’ve been SLEEPLESS ever since this game came out. My FAVOURITE CLASS from GUILD WARS 1 (of 6 years), trashed, by ANET. How so? I don’t know. No warrior knows. Apparantly noone complains either!
__________________________________________________________________

FACT IS: The warrior mechanic is broken. Why? The warrior is a “lethal BEAST” that shouldn’t be killed in a few seconds, tho easy to CC, but hard to break down!

[Go on..!!]

In GUILD WARS 2, your warrior rush in, deal decent(compared to the thief). You’re in combat, you’re near the enemy. IF YOU DON’T KILL you die, because conditions will get you down (Chill, cripple – Stuff that makes unable to disengage).

I’ll STRUCTURE my topic and let’s start:

Shield stance (blocks 3 seconds): You would think that this skill would save you from classes like necros and rangers. BUT NO. Necro wells deal 10’000 DAMAGE to your warrior UNBLOCKABLE! You loose to the AoE class! You should think you could survive against ranger traps, same story, my friend…

Let me tell you a thing real quick…
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Everyone who ever played GUILD WARS 1 knew that: traps weren’t fast-casted and they were easily interupted! In GUILD WARS 2, you spam your strong AoE’s as a ranger, you don’t even care!

Everyone who ever played GUILD WARS 1 knew that: Assassins/thieves didnt have ranged ability (short bow) they spiked in a decent tempo, but able to track people down if they were really far away from their team mates! At this point – Thieves deal the greatest dmg AoE+ranged AND the fastest most lethal damage nearby. AND highest mobility.

- “…Yeah you’ve seen them, the one shot once, yeah, those thieves. You accuse them for macro, well knowing they dont, you just smash your head in your keyboard if you don’t react with a STUN BREAKER, if you have one.. Oh! wait you’re updrafted, kitten you then! …”

and BTW …….if you’re a warrior? You want to run Endure Pain (5 sec, 0 damage) if you want to be good against the thief. BUT you need stability if you want to track down Necros. You cant have both!

And this is why I’ve been SLEEPLESS – Elementalists:

This is yet another reason why my BELOVED warrior is useless in PvP. The ele specc is too strong! Everyone knows that! Really? Even ELES tehmselves? “Well yeah..?” “Oh….. and Anet as well?” “YES! kitten #8221;

Everyone who ever played GUILD WARS 1 knew that: Ele’s were WEAK in combat. IF a warrior caught up on it could deal great damage. The ele damage wasnt that powerful, but it had a few advantages against melees but not enough to outdmg them EVER. GUILD WARS 1 was a monk game! So in this case you shouldnt give eles HEAL advantages so you feel like they have a monk! ’Cuz warriors aint even close to have that. The warrior heal is worse than GW 1 Heal Signet! “A huh?” 2 Conditions and 1/5th of your full HP?

At the moment you can run 5 ELES and beat everyone, warriors can’t even deal dmg to them, and not even close at stomping! – After discussing with people I’ve come the conclusion that, “IF YOU CAN RUN MORE THAN ONE OF THE SAME CLASS IN A GAME E.G. 3 ELES, it’s broken”.
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