Guild Wars 2

You want a legendary in short time? That requires skill in “playing” the AH. You’re not skilled enough? Well, it will take you more time getting it. How’s that a bug?

And leave cats alone!

DoctorWhy.3847:

Then people would use it as a second inventory. When your inventory is full, just put it up on the TP for ridiculous amounts of money. The listing fee is there for a reason.

You didn’t read carefully what OP wrote.

Stil, imo, 5% listing fee should be there even when selling directly to highest buyer.

I’ve spent at least 40hours on TP since launch – so yes, I’m sure.

Account.9832:

Correct.

I’m doing Plinx/Broodmother/Arena/Camps Defense events (gives me 8-11k karma per hour, so I’d think like 25 events per hour, and a small DR (still 200-300 karma per event) kicks in after 40-50 mins. Then I just relog to my “TP character”, sort auctions, log back on my karma-farmer (takes maybe 10-15 mins) and DR is gone for another 40-50 mins. No big issue, I’d even say they overdid the nerf this patch (thou I was raging at previous DR system).

If you put at item at 6pm on monday, log out, it will sell at 11pm, you will log in at 10am next day, it will still show you “seconds ago”. It’s bugged, but it doesn’t really matter if you know how TP works – and I’ve answered already how it does.

“Person A puts 2 Copper Ores for 20c each. There’s 2 Copper Ores for 20c on TP.
Person B puts 10 Copper Ores for 20c each. There’s 12 Copper Ores for 20c on TP.
Person A puts another 5 Copper Ores for 20c each. There’s 17 Copper Ores for 20c on TP.
We assume nothing sells in meantime.
After 5 mins someone puts an order for 14 Copper Ores for 20c each. He gets 2 ores from person A + 10 from person B and then another 2 from person A.
After the transcaction there’s 3 Copper Ores for 20c on TP that belong to person A.”

Quoting myself from the thread I gave link earlier.

@OP Are you complaining that some places are better to get gold than other places in a MMO game? Seriously?
/puts another slice of cheese on cats head

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/bltc/Who-buys-and-sells-first-on-TP/first#post389042

Use search option on forums, please.

lackofcheese.5617:

Also, when you’re selling items, the third option is called “Add to my existing listing”. If the two end up at different positions in the queue, then that text is misleading and ought to be fixed.

It adds items to your list, so you don’t have to check each time: “Am I putting them at right price?”, but it doesn’t mention anything about a position in que, does it? So how’s that misleading?

TP – search option – filters: armor, chest armor, rarity: masterwork, level: 30-70. Enjoy!

lackofcheese.5617:

I know that… What I’m asking is what happens to its position in the queue.

Are you saying that it stays in the same position? That would mean that you can stay at the front of the queue indefinitely by continuously updating your order.

Person A puts 2 Copper Ores for 20c each. There’s 2 Copper Ores for 20c on TP.
Person B puts 10 Copper Ores for 20c each. There’s 12 Copper Ores for 20c on TP.
Person A puts another 5 Copper Ores for 20c each. There’s 17 Copper Ores for 20c on TP.
We assume nothing sells in meantime.
After 5 mins someone puts an order for 14 Copper Ores for 20c each. He gets 2 ores from person A + 10 from person B and then another 2 from person A.
After the transcaction there’s 3 Copper Ores for 20c on TP that belong to person A.

Hope that will shed a bit of light on how TP works.

penatbater.4710:

I spent around 3 days farming for my exotic jewelries (ok not farming but saving up ectos/emerald orbs/ori ores) and another 4 days of a bit of farming for my armors. It’s not the easiest thing in the world, nor is it the hardest. it’s… doable. Esp when you can get around 1g-ish at every orr run (i don’t mean karma farming, just running around CE/Malchor/straits doing DEs left and right whenever possible), its really not SUPER DUPER hard.

1 week for casual player to get BiS armor in a MMO game – and people still complain:P

I’ve had like 30 of them in first 2 weeks of game, but since that time I’ve seen maybe 2-3 drops.

Xhaine.4120:

This is because gear is only 50% of the game, the rest is skill.

As for clearing dungeons – gear is not even 10% of the game compared to skill – my friends with me run some testing in dungeons with green quality gear (with stats we wanted, not random ofc) – clearing most of the dungeons is still easy, thou it takes bit more time than running full exotic set (15-20 mins to about 35-40 mins).

I agree with rest of your post.

As an update if anyone else will try to transfer to Underworld for Melandru – it’s bugged now:P

Buy recipe that requires 375 jewelcrafting from a vendor near Jewelcrafting Station – costs about 800 karma.

Working on Underworld (at least was working 30mins ago)

Same for me and my friends – we tried 2 different Borderlands and eventually went to sleep:)

50ish Cores and 3 Lodestones… after so many runs I decided this will be yet another item I will just buy out of TP

I leveled up Huntsman like 4 days ago – bought all mats from TP, sold on TP everything I could – it costed me 3,5g. Compared to about 500-600g Legendary needs atm – is it really an issue to level up proffesions you will need?

…I didn’t think so.

Anyway, if you really don’t want this proffesions on your character – you can make an alt, learn proffesions on him (there are no level-requirements, but you will need some karma to level up from 375 to 400), as Gifts are account bound.

Cerise.9045:

I use karma boosters in WvW that’s about it.

How far are we from: “you cannot use chest armor in Cursed Shore, you cannot use swords in Frostgorge Sound or Crafting Boosters won’t work in main cities”?

Cerise.9045:

Cisza.9540:

So Dusk costs 300g. You can make it in a week or 2 when “playing” AH. It’s a part of legendary weapon. Ppl had no problem when they heard that it will takes months to get their legendary. But then someone else did the hard job and got it in 2 weeks, so crying started – “I’m not that good/smart/have enough time – so give me legendary for free.”

Same thing happened with Diablo 3 Inferno Mode:
1. Blizz said: “Inferno will take months to beat” – Funs: “Hurray”
2. Group of 4 hardcore players with hours and hours spent in game, really skilled etc etc beats Inferno in 2 weeks – Funs: “I’m too kitteny to beat inferno, I want same achievement as they did even thou I’m crap and 13 y/o, nerf Inferno”
3. Blizz nerfs Inferno.
4. Players stop playing Diablo.

I really, really hope AN won’t do same mistake as Blizz.

They already did the opposite.

The same week people got the first legendaries ANet put a cap on karma gained per day so it now takes months to get one.

This is the equivalent of blizzard putting a cap on inferno that only allows you to complete one quest per week.

They’re not making it harder, they’re just artificially stonewalling people.

It’s even almost impossible to farm karma now – after 30-40 mins doing events (that’s about 10k karma) DR hits – and you get 19 karma per event. That’s with or without using karma booster. My question is – why karma boosters are 1 hour long if I got hit by DR with 20 mins remaining time?

To be honest I never saw a reason why we are even able to see “bind on pick-up” and “bind to account” items on TP. We cannot sell them/buy them – why are they listed?

ELTopo.1506:

Blah Blah Blah. Try staying on topic. These dungeons are bad and that’s that.

I don’t care about you, your guild, or your self absorbed nonsensical rant. Go look in the mirror and tell someone who cares.

“You don’t agree with me – you are a moron.”

On topic – I think dungeons are really good, maybe lack polishing, but they are what they were supposed to be – places for organised groups (pug is not organised group) that require coordination and cooperation from every member of group.

Hell, I’d even say they are too easy, as most “hardcore” players are clearing them with closed eyes, but then I’d be spit to death by gw2 community…

About non-trinity system:
You still should have heavy armored guy who body-blocks mobs.
A healer – that can be split to 2-3 members of group (ele/necro with wells + warrior with shouts).
CCer – blinds/weakness/what-not
Support – offensive and defensive

What AN did – it was not so much as getting rid of trinity, rather splitting the roles to more players + making light-CC more important than “trinity MMOs”. Well, of course you can try to run a dungeon with 5 ppl specced/geared purely for dps, but that will only take you to the forums so you can start crying.

lackofcheese.5617:

It seems like the rares would be a better deal, though, given that you can get 6 rares for the cost of an exotic.

TA rares are level 45. AC, CM even lower.
For CoF, CoE, HoW – sure, I buy rares, but for other dungeons it must be exotics.

Celestea.4105:

Cisza.9540:

Exotics can yield up to 5, with higher chance on 1-2 than rares.

That’s interesting. I’ve never seen someone get 5 ecto from an exotic, I guess it’s because nobody has dared to try so, besides you.

…and many of my guildies. I was farming (stopped eventually) Onyx Cores/Lodestones I need for Twilight, I got about 4k TA tokens – why would I let them dust in my bank if I can just turn them to money? I’m sure – completely sure – I’m not the only one doing this.

It seems like you left half of 1 map unfinished. I can help you only if you played 1 character: go to achievements menu → explorer and then check what region has most missing arenas – there’s probably the map you’ve left undone.

Malediktus.9250:

I often dont understand what Anet is trying to achieve with so much mystery.

+1

Siliconhobbit.4361:

Kudos to all of you that can turn a consistent profit on the Trading Post and have everything you’d like in game. I just wish someone would write up a detailed guide on how to do so, so the rest of us in the game can have a bit of success as well.

You see, the problem with that is: too many players succesfully playing on AH is making making money harder. Same as for example with gathering: more ppl do it – lower the price is.

But if you spend some time on google – there’s plenty “how to make money on AH” guides with basic stuff.

NinjaKnight.1340:

Cisza.9540:

NinjaKnight.1340:

Cisza.9540:

There’s plenty of ppl (myself included) who made hundrends/thousands of gold on AH, so all did “you cannot make money on AH!!!11oneone” posts are far from truth.

You have made thousands of G on the market? If so you have a massive war chest of G in order to manipulate the market and a small spread of even 1% profit will yield you big returns if it is a fast selling item.

Take the typical player who has say 2G to invest. A 1% profit will yield 2S, rinse repeat over and over with the possibility of losing if the market manipulators like you move it the wrong way.

I have tried it a bit and i can say it is boring as hell. Not my idea of fun.

I have seen you boast about how you can make money on TP multiple times. You aren’t being clever, you are just showing that you started early and prefer to sit for hours on the TP instead of playing the game. Unless of course you have a bot working for you.

I’m on AH for 30 mins daily for 20g income atm. True, at the start I’ve spent more time there, but atm I’m just buying loads of items with only 5% profit, just because I’d rather spend more time enjoying other aspects of game.

What’s your problem about sitting on AH for hours at start to get your first 100 gold? You’re just another of “give me what I want for free” new-age players, aren’t you?

No, I don’t expect to get things for free. I really enjoyed the game in the beginning, I was making much more than enough just leveling.

Now the diminishing returns issue has made lvl 80 feel like a massive grind just to get decent equipment.

So my options now are to switch tactics and spend a ton of time in TP, as you have agreed there IS a learning curve, or just keep grinding, or spend a lot of RL money (unless I go to a gold site – which I won’t, which is why I’m here suggesting ways Anet can fix the imbalance).

I have to agree with you that DR system completely broke the other ways of income:
1. Player: I will spend 2 hours today to farm X mobs to get some rare materials for my gear!
Game: Oh you, you’re killing poor mobs for 20 mins already, so we won’t give you any more items from them, unless you like grey stuff.

2. Player: I will spend my time on gathering today so I can sell it on AH for few golds!
Game: Wait a minute, the nodes are hurt and they have feelings, you know? Let them rest for 24 hours.

3. Another issue: karma. You need about 1,1mln karma for your legendary weapon.
Player: Well, I should start farming karma for my Sunrise. Let’s do this meta then. Meta done, oh, there’s a group event there, will probably give me lots of karma!
Game: Sorry, but you have already made outrangerous income of 10k karma, so now you will only get 19 karma per event.

So… yeah. Play your game in a way AN wants you to play. I just can’t wait for them to add DR system to WvW – that will be fun:)

I have same problem with TA heavy armor (cannot apply Black Dye to some pieces), made a thread about 2 weeks ago, still no response. I think all high-end armors suffer from this issue.

I always use Black Lion (got like 50 when leveling a month ago, pribably some bug, coz 2 weeks ago started an alt and got barely 2 on my way from 1 to 80 level), so maybe that’s the case? It has never been explained by AN how Salvage Kits work, and every tests ppl do show different results (completely chaotic I’d dare to say).

NinjaKnight.1340:

Cisza.9540:

There’s plenty of ppl (myself included) who made hundrends/thousands of gold on AH, so all did “you cannot make money on AH!!!11oneone” posts are far from truth.

You have made thousands of G on the market? If so you have a massive war chest of G in order to manipulate the market and a small spread of even 1% profit will yield you big returns if it is a fast selling item.

Take the typical player who has say 2G to invest. A 1% profit will yield 2S, rinse repeat over and over with the possibility of losing if the market manipulators like you move it the wrong way.

I have tried it a bit and i can say it is boring as hell. Not my idea of fun.

I have seen you boast about how you can make money on TP multiple times. You aren’t being clever, you are just showing that you started early and prefer to sit for hours on the TP instead of playing the game. Unless of course you have a bot working for you.

I’m on AH for 30 mins daily for 20g income atm. True, at the start I’ve spent more time there, but atm I’m just buying loads of items with only 5% profit, just because I’d rather spend more time enjoying other aspects of game.

What’s your problem about sitting on AH for hours at start to get your first 100 gold? You’re just another of “give me what I want for free” new-age players, aren’t you?

Exotics can yield up to 5, with higher chance on 1-2 than rares.

I transmuted 30 000 silver ores to gold ores – was getting anything between 40 to 200 ores, with about an average of 93. But that’s just 1 tier, thou maaaany attempts;)

@Cel
As I wrote – I buy then for 180 tokens each, so pretty easy to understant they are exotics.

@Nosferatu
Just about AH part – you checked 1 item (you’re saying you checked loads) that is not profitable – and btw, Ecto is not “quick selling item”. There are plenty – I mean craploads of items that are worth to “buy low/sell high”. Few examples out of my head:
Scarlet Dye, Red Dye, X Dye (like 50 of them), Copper Ore, Jute Scrap, Ancient Wood Log (buy 3, craft to plank, sell), Heads of Garlic, Oranges… And that’s not even a tip of an Iceberg.
There’s plenty of ppl (myself included) who made hundrends/thousands of gold on AH, so all did “you cannot make money on AH!!!11oneone” posts are far from truth.

Point is – it’s world-wide fifo market – so much different than other AHs (like for example WoW had).

You can also make money on crafting (logs > planks for example). Another one – check Superior Rune of The Pirate – I made like 6s profit on each few weeks ago, still can make about 2-3s (buying mats, selling product) – so you’re wrong again.

Rodarin.6058:

yeah people dont get it.

Anet has a fairly static gold price, all sellers have to do is beat that. However there are so many gold sellers they are in competition with each other. They actually have more of a ‘mini game’ than the actual players do.

The average right now is $10.00 worth of gems gets you 2G 40S. That makes each gold ‘worth’ $4.17. It will obviously fluctuate but call it spreads of $4.00 and $4.50 if you’ like. With G that ‘expensive’ through the in game trade option why would gold sellers sell it for what they are selling it for?

I just checked Google and simply input GW2 gold, got about 312,000 results. Clicked on just the top 3 or 4. 1 place has 50G on SBI (my server) for 46.87, MUCH cheaper than the legit exchange, but way higher than the average; another has it for 35.70, another has it for 36.86, the last one I checked was 39.37.

Obviously I am not going to buy gold, but there are thousands and probably tens of thousands of people who will.

Now that the gold sellers and botters are in full swing that is why gem prices and that exchanges has completely crashed, and will continue to get worse. NO ONE is buying gems, especially to trade for gold. Not when you can get gold from a third party for pennies on the dollar.

I suspect if people keep playing the game the in game gold trade into gems will be around 40 or 50 per gold. Its around 225 right now, and has been declining steadily for a month.

So while people can say botters and gold farmers dont have any effect they just dont get it. even if botters sold everything to a vendor and in turn that gold was sold through third party gold sellers it would be bad enough, but since they can use the system in place and double dip so to speak it makes it so that the economy is a complete mess. Add in the exploits and what not that took place right after release and the economy is now completely broken, and there is very little that can be done about it.

Imo – majority of ppl crying about “bots completely destroying economy” have no idea how to make money on AH and/or no clue how fifo market works.
Bots do affect AH, but not as much as you imagine and not always in “bad ways”.

Celestea.4105:

Hador.2753:

I went 0/12 (6 exotics, 6 rares) on Ectos as well yesterday afternoon, after getting like ~10 (out of 9 salvages, 1 yielded 0) in the morning. Smells a lot like DR to me.

Just out of curiosity, why are you salvaging exotics?

I know you’re asking someone else, but I do 3 dungeons daily – that’s 9 paths, each path takes about 20 mins, so all in all it’s 3 hours give or take. For each dungeon done you get about 80 silver reward for completing + all you take on your way. The other reward is 180 tokens – which is the cost of helmet. I do not need tokens anymore, so I just buy 3 heads after we’re done in dungeons, and salvaged them for few ectos.

Take off the item you want to use transmutation on (as in it must be unequipped).

As an example – yesterday I ordered 10 000 silver ores for 10copper a piece (transmuting them to gold ores is profitable) – you have probably seen like 10 134 silver ores ordered by 3-4 people – I’m not bot (unless with very advanced AI so I can respond here… shoot, said too much) and I’m surely not the only one buying in thousands (I spent like 60g daily on AH on cheap items, so go figure how much stuff it is).

Sarie.1630:

Khift I think you misunderstood my entire post. I’m not disputing that the only non-common material you can currently salvage are Globs of Ectoplasm.

Do you not think they’re just keeping their options open though, with the salvage kit description? So, at the moment, the only “Rarer than Common” material you can salvage are Ectos. That’s not to say there wont be in future.

I wont deny it’s marginally misleading, the way it’s been written, but it seems clear to me that Gossamer is not rarer than common, and is not subject to the “higher chance to be salvaged” clause.

The point here though is whether Gossamer is considered a rare salvage item. Or well, I should say, rarer than common such that it’s salvage rate is affected by the clause on the kit…

…it is not. That is all.

So either Salvage Kits are not working as intented if Gossamer Scrap is rarer material OR Salvage Kits are not working as intended if “blue” items are considered rarer material.
So the true point is, which OP already stated (thou with wrong percentages, but it doesn’t mater in conclusion) – Salvage Kits are broken.
Either way I’d love to see dev response on this.

1st – Dawn – it’s 1 Greatsword, not all exotic greatsword. 2nd – it’s not bots who pick up the price of that item. 3rd- I know ppl (myself included) who will pay even 500g for it, cause imo that’s what this item is worth.

So yes – you’re so naive:)

I agree that bots have negative impact on economy – but not to such an extend you think.

Obi.9365:

Here’s one example of what ONE type of bot, and what ONE person can do to the economy, with only ONE resource being used..

One person buys every single exotic great sword on the BLT, and repost for twice the cost. Your telling me someone that didn’t make use of a bot, or there services is able to do this? I highly doubt it. Now that is just ONE person.. Lets think about that for a sec.. If ONE person can do that to one type of item on the BLT, just imagine how far it can go when you times that by a thousand, and a thousand different resources. What happens when a guy with more money to spend on gold, buys that guys greatswords, and sells them for twice as much again..

Do we really need to turn this into more of a debate? I think its far simpler then your making it out to be.

I just gave you one example, using one type of bot resource(purchasing gold), and using it to by ONE type of item.

It goes FAR FAR beyond this.

Perhaps do some reading up on GW2 bots. Farm bots, BLT bots, etc, and then if you still do not understand what only a few bots can do to a cross server BLT, Ill go into greater detail.

You’re so naive that you think that one person has enough money to keep buying all the swords (coz ppl will put new ones in meantime, AH is worldwide)?

whiran.1473:

And, the price of pre-cursor items isn’t at 500g yet if they will ever get there.

That’s the price I’m willing to pay – if it goes higher I will just try my luck:)

Path 1 – you cannot open gate solo.
Path 2 – you cannot get all 10 bombs to Magg in 2 mins solo
Path 3 – you cannot light 5 torches solo

Not to mention you are not able to beat any mob group solo.
I know I’m feeding troll, but…

Gio.8351:

i know what i read =P you said getting precursor is hard work. but precursor is just luck. so you said what i said. and.. well getting money with exploit like lot of precursor came from is not that hard.

I said you can do hard work to get money and buy Dusk or get lucky in Mystic Forge. I will repeat myself – read carefully.

As for spending “only” few hours a day online – I spend up to 30mins daily on AH, getting about 10-15g (15 mins in the morning, another 15 mins in the evening) and doing other stuff in meantime (not necessarily in game).

In other words – you prefer to spend your time on forum instead of making few golds… Your choice.

Getting money is hard work – same as getting karma if you wanna put it that way.

Also – price for precursor will stop – people won’t pay more than 500g for it, trust me.

@Goi
I didn’t say a word that luck is hard work, so please, read more carefully.

helladoom.4317:

Buy low sell high in TP only works if you monopolize the market, otherwise people will buy low just as you did instead of buying high from you. Such a monopoly is the bane of the real world economy: the so-called futures market.

Wrong. People are impatient, they will buyout things, hell, they even buy planks – even thou buying logs is much cheaper.

Just because you don’t know how to make money on AH, that doesn’t mean it’s not doable. It’s currently the best way (as in fastest) to make money.