Guild Wars 2

It’s not fair on those that completed WvW mapping on all their characters to suddenly have the same map completion as those that didn’t. But unfortunately Anet stands behind the lazy player mentality I wouldn’t be surprised if this did happen eventually.

You can see this mentality cropping up all over the forums these days.

“All way points unlocked”
“I WANT STUFF FOR FREEEEEEEE”

People are still under the assumption that going into WvW/EoTM means you’re instantly going to be killed by another player
this simply is not the case

The problem you’re talking about; making things more inclusive for everyone is fair and I understand where you are coming from. I do. I get people don’t want to go into WvW because they don’t want to fight others. I get they don’t want to jump into PvP because they might lag, or they might not want to PvP/feel it’s too stressful or whatever.
However, if everyone could do everything then the game would have absolutely no challenge.

The thing is, these people just lump WvW/EoTm/PvP into a negative category in the same way that they are lumping Fractals into a negative category.
A lot of people complaining are even admitting that they refuse to go into fractals/wvw/pvp after 1 bad experience.
If I stopped playing a game mode because of 1 bad expeirence I’d have quit a very long time ago because I’ve had bad experiences all over at one time or another. Maybe I should quit RL too because I’ve had bad experiences there too.
For the strict PvE’ers out there. A great deal of the WvW dailys are purely PvE based, and if you die what is the problem? Waypoint back and try again. There is no charge to you other than a bit of time spent.
I do not understand why people that are this desperate for AP (if they weren’t they wouldn’t be here) complaining about something so easy.

The argument can be made from the other side too. If I only want to do Fractals, why can’t I complete my daily inside that Fractal?
I’ve spent 40 minutes in a Fractal and don’t complete my daily. I’ve done a lot harder content than viewing a vista/picking up some lettuce and throwing 4 whites into the forge, yet I have received less reward (AP wise) is this fair?
You’re diversity argument is great and all, but then for the Fractal community, they suffer a bit because that once a week double reward they were getting is now less.
I know a significant amount of people that only do Fractals on Double Fractal Daily so they get 3 Pristine Relics. They also suffer. So your diversity option is actually diminishing the rewards from those players you’re claiming to be helping.

A lot of guilds also have their own custom arena which you can in a very safe environment learn to pvp or ask your guild mates to let you win for your daily.

I’m going to expand on this point.

If I only want to do Fractals, why can’t I complete my daily inside that Fractal?

I’ll admit that this double dip daily does benefit a small amount of players, however it does incentivize players to try Fractals, especially when the daily is 1-10/daily Fractal.

There are days however when there is no daily Fractal or daily X-X. So no matter how many Fractals I do (my main gaming activity) i’m not completing any of my daily at all. My main gaming time is interrupted by your need to do things that aren’t fractals in PvE

Surely I should be the one making a post saying

Triple Fractals In daily Please

This would surely be fair based on your arguments. Let’s say I don’t want to PvP. I don’t want to WvW and the only PvE I want to do is Fractals. I should be able, based on your arguments be able to complete my daily inside of Fractals because that’s the only game mode I enjoy.

I however am realistic in understanding this is something that wont happen.

The double Fractal is there as an incentive and completing daily is missing out on AP that let’s be honest, the people in this thread complaining about it do not need.

They have stated a couple of things about the LA update.

On the forums they have stated that LA is nearly rebuilt. However they have also said that the repairs are “only just beginning” and “they are only now planning things” so it’s a little ambiguous.

They have also said that “one day you will wake up to an entirely rebuilt LA” so that seems to indicate we will go from what we have now, to a completely rebuilt LA.

New aesthetics to distract from the fact we’ve had no new content for 95 days.

If you’re quitting a game over getting a skin then you’re not interested enough in the game. Will the skin make all the difference really?

I’ve got a total of 2.5k hours and quit the game for a considerable amount of time.
I missed Christmas 2012/2013, and didn’t return until Haloween 2014. So I missed all of LS 1, all of the Karka event and anything inbetween. I missed SAB, and all the achievement points linked to all these events.

Right now I have most collections complete, the majority (missing maybe 1) of story achievements complete, the majority of sPvP achievements (slowly getting champs on other chars) and I’m sat at 10.5k AP
There isn’t a great deal AP wise that I can go and get except super grinding weapon slayers/pvp/wvw achievement points.

I guess this is my only criticism with the current AP system that given some achievement points are locked off forever (LS1 Holiday Events) it’s somewhat impossible for me to get above perhaps 15k AP right now. (That’s just a guess)
Even if I max out all my PvP/WvW/Collections (this is a MASSIVE time investment by the way which even people with 26k+ AP don’t have most of these done) I wouldn’t reach the 15k AP chest. I’d be reliant on dailys to actually get me up to the higher levels.

While I get it’s really nice for players to get achievement points for non-permanent content there does need to be a way (soon) for players who did happen to miss out on content / new players to start to build their way up to the higher AP markers.

Do you feel by visiting 1 vista, picking up some lettuce next to a waypoint and throwing 4 whites into the MF entitles you to more AP // The same AP as someone that does 40 minutes of Fractals? (Which by the way is only 2/3rds of a daily they still have to do something else?)

Are these kitten PvE’ers incapable of going into WvW/EoTM and PvEing in there (most maps are deserted other than reset night anyway)

Killing a veteran mob. Oh noes it might fight back.
Killing some NPC guards? Uh, they fight back and blind and theres more than one. it’s not fair and too hard I can’t do it alone QQ.

No offence. But the fact Fractal players are actually getting something from the daily is a really nice benefit. People like myself don’t have any incentive to go to Fractals other than the fact I enjoy it.
I was doing all 5scales of Fractals every day at one point. Up until last week I was doing at least 2 Fractals a day (taking a bit of a break right now since busy irl and waiting for HoT)
Until recently, Fractals really hasn’t had any look in from the daily system at all. And lets not forget, those Laurels/Guild Comms for Ascended equipment weren’t obtainable through Fractals so we had to do content we didn’t want to do just like you.
Now at least Laurels are part of logging in, and Guild Comms are in excess.

Honestly, unless you’re one of the top 10 on the leaderboards complaining about the double fractals being too hard. Sit down.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with it and for once explore outside of your narrow minded (I must only PvE or I might get attacked. Even by a mob)
Not to mention unless you have all the Fractal achievements you shouldn’t care about AP anyway. And if you do have them all, then Fractals for daily should be a walk in the park. Now sit down.

Today Anet reveals it’s new game mode. PvT. Player Vs Time. All a player has to do is log in and their daily is now completed. Yay 10 AP for everyone.

HOW MANY TIMES.

The 10 AP will be capped eventually from daily anyway.

I do agree that the reward for fractals is terrible. I love fractals to death. I’ve had way over 250 pristine relics which is tiny to a lot of people but I’ve done my fair share.
It is a pain when even on 50s you’re rewarded with less than 2 gold and no ascended item, especially when the run has been horrible and very time consuming.

I guess the idea of Fractals is that it’s High Risk(hard content) for High Reward (Tonic etc) except, it’s not that at all. It’s High Risk (Spending a lot of time) for Chance at High Reward (Chance for 0 Reward)

I still don’t get this problem people have like really.

This was the old daily cycle. It’s currently being researched and updated so take this with a pinch of salt.
(Bold items are easy and everyone and their cat can complete these even kitten PvE’ers that refuse to PvP/WvW because they don’t want to but they feel entitled to AP [those PvE’ers also refuse to PvE for their PvE daily irony]) FYI. Most of the WvW objectives are completely PvE, especially if you do them in EoTM.

PvE Slot 1: Region gathering (forager, lumberer, miner)
PvE Slot 2: Vista Viewer, Activity Participation, Fractal, Mystic Forger
PvE Slot 3: Event Completer
PvE Slot 4: Scale Fractal, Exotic Crafter, World bosses
PvP Slot 1/2: Capture, Defender, Player Kills, Rank Points, Reward Earner
PvP Slot 3: Profession winner: Guardian, Mesmer, Ranger, Thief
PvP Slot 4: Profession winner: Elementalist, Engineer, Necromancer, Warrior
WvW Slot 1/2: Master of Ruins, Mists Guard Killer, Big Spender, Caravan Disruptor, Land Claimer, Veteran Creature Slayer
WvW Slot 2: WvW Invasion Defender
WvW Slot 3/4: Camp Capturer, Keep Capturer, Objective Defender, Tower Capturer

Master of Ruins – Run to a ruin in WvW (no fighting involved a level 1 can do this)

Mists Guard Killer – Find NPCs in WvW (around towers/camps)

Veteran Creature Slayer – Go to wiki, work out where they are (if you’re unsure) and go kill. A lot of enemies in WvW wont even attack you if you /w them saying you just want the creature for daily.

Land Claimer – Kill 1 Guard in WvW/EoTm and capture it’s point (the flags on the maps – usually always deserted in EoTM)

Big Spender – Spend 25 WvW badges

Region Gatherer – Outside dungeons usually have whatever you need ~ or you know use eyes.

Vista Viewer – any city (no fighting involved. I know as a PvE’er you don’t want to kill anything because it might fight back)

Mystic Forger – Scary place LA. I’d suggest going to WvW and using the forge there if LA is too scary but you PvE’ers refuse to go to WvW even for NPCs I guess.

TL;DR Stop feeling so kitten entitled to things. If you’re that in need of AP doing a Fractal shouldn’t bother you. If AP is THAT important to you then you have all the Fractal achievements yes?
http://i.imgur.com/SIWIvsF.png

If you don’t have this, then the 10 AP from daily isn’t really a concern since you’re not someone that is investing their time into maximising their AP. The 10 AP will be capped eventually from daily anyway. So if Fractals are really a chore for you skip them.

Get your 10 AP from viewing a vista in ascalon, gathering some lettuce outside CM and throwing 4 white items in the mystic forge if that makes you feel like you earnt 10 AP.

I’ll go do my Fractals, spend 40 mins in there, get chance at some ascended gear and genuinely feel like I worked for my AP.

I’m one avid for debate so I will defend the point I make passionately and as thoroughly as I can.
It’s quite easy to say that all elements of a game should be fun. But at what point do you go from all content being fun to require necessary content to keep people playing.

I think one of the things Anet thought about the traits upgrade was to give players something to do by this I mean, when they are levelling their characters they can go around to areas and complete specific events to get these characters complete.
I don’t think they thoroughly thought of the repercussions it would have on returning players or veteran players making alts.
I do think this was a big mistake on Anets part. However, I do firmly believe that having some required content fleshes out a game. It gives it some substance. While it might be nice to automatically have a level 80 with access to all maps and all skills and everything within 5 minutes of making the character, the chances are that you’re going to play less because of that.

I would think the purpose of having to actually go around and map out the waypoints somewhat encourages you to invest some time into the character. Investing time into anything makes a connection with that thing.
Games are very personal these days. People do get attached to their characters and to their accounts. Perhaps people wont admit it, but you’d be quite upset if your character that you’ve spent hours creating got deleted and you had to start over. Whereas a character that’s a few hours old, probably less so.

I know this sound quite “sad” or “silly” but it is one of the things taken into consideration when games/apps/even phones etc are made these days.
If you are that passionate about taking your new elementalist to X event then you will run there. If not then you really don’t want to play that ele if you’re not wanting to invest any time into it.. At least thats my opinion of it.

Weapons/Armor/Accessories/Food/Potions

After that, a Mystic Kit and a Copper-Omatic and you’re done.
If you have too much dragonite destroy it or craft it up. You’re not lacking Karma.
You don’t need 5 black lion kits.
Designate a different character for silverwastes.
Store or use your Pristine Fractal relics. They have no use other than taking up inventory space and you clearly have all the rings you need.
Tonics aren’t needed in your inventory at all times, considering you have bank access in your inventory anyway.
Boxes of fun, crafting stations, useless additional armor spaces. You’re carrying bank access. I can’t even begin to comprehend how useless that stuff in your inventory is.

If you’re that desperate for more space
200 gold = 100 slots of storage (new character slot) yay. 20 slot bags from fractal relics (150?per) and you’ve suddenly got a lot more space and if you ever want a new character you have it ! Yay.

The WvW update is HoT update no?

Daily AP is capped at X value. If you miss a day it’s not going to kill you. You can get the daily done tomorrow and you’re just 1 day further from meeting that cap. A fair amount of people are already (or very close to) being capped on daily AP so missing it once.. NBD.

I don’t consider killing a Yak in WvW as any form of player vs player. But it feels more of an accomplishment than gathering outside CM for some Lettuce.
To me, gathering in Kryta doesn’t qualify as a daily.
To me, doing 4 events in the starter area (queensdale) doesn’t qualify as 3.3 AP

If AP is that important to you, then you should be fairly competent in Fractals (having gotten all of the Fractal achievements and the total fractals completed achievement. If you haven’t, missing out on a capped achievement for daily shouldn’t bother you.

All 8 chars at 80 with a 9th slot for keyfarming/name reserve for Revanant.
I play most characters in Fractals/Dungeons. (This means parking them anywhere is redundant as I WP to LA or dungeons too much)
Characters I don’t play:
Ranger – PvP daily/Parked in HoTM/Parked in Brisban for Iron Ore
Engineer – See above^
Necromancer – See above

I do play Necro in Fractals or HoTW sometimes ~
I’d like to play the other two classes too but honestly I prefer the main 5.

The problem is right now, that they have to remove rewards and achievement points from accounts. This is something they haven’t had to do before (some anet post recently said as much), at least not on a large scale.
So first they have to work out how to deal with that (ie. writing a program to fix it). That could in itself take a long time to develop (evidently since they have taken so long already). They then have to test it thoroughly to make sure it’s not removing achievements/rewards from accounts that do qualify for them.
Then they have to implement it and hope that it works correctly with the live version.
All of this takes time and resources. At some point it will be working but given the nature of how programs are written and come together it could still be a while before we see HoM updated.

As for compensation~

GW1 was available for years before GW2 was released. People that worked on HoM~ it was more of an incentive to return to GW1 and buy the expansion/campaigns for players that had quit. At the end of the day the main audience of HoM was directed at people playing before GW2 ever came out.
Sure, now there are a lot of people that are picking up and playing the trilogy since gw2 has come out, but that doesn’t mean you are entitled to any extra rewards because the service is currently down.

My assumption is then that the people wanting this option are those that have levelled in ways that are working in a way that in my opinion isn’t intended and is exploited. However the exploiting isn’t damaging the game in anyway so Anet feels it’s not something needing to be fixed.
The methods I’m including in this is:

Tomes of Knowledge: I firmly believe that these are levelling aids, not to skip the levelling process completely. While they are regularly and on a large scale being used to skip the levelling process, I do not believe that this was an intended purpose for them.

Event Trains: Specifically trains in Edge of the Mists. As Edge of the Mists was an area intended for WvW players to fight during map overflows, also as an area to learn WvW and have a different scale of WvW fights. However it’s main use by the players is to level characters quickly without using tomes/mapping.

Dungeon levelling: Swapping to an alt can be a fast efficient way to level an alt character (however it does require some effort to get your alt to the dungeon quick call the qq brigade) but it will net you 70%~ of a level every path completion if you can zone in fast enough.

To a lesser extent than it used to be
Crafting: I am unsure of the current levelling progression that crafting gives nowadays but I am sure you can reach level 80 just buy maxing all or most crafts to 500/400(for jewel/cook). Since ascended armor and the lower tier materials costing so much more than they did previously (see silk, linen and cotton) I don’t generally expect that many people max all crafts just to level.

Due to this, mapping is left out of the character progression, which if you’d have had to level “properly” then you’d have a significant portion of the map unlocked already. Furthermore if you’d have planned which maps you wanted waypoints in, you’d have even less map left to uncover and this problem probably wouldn’t have arisen in the first place.

These levelling methods have somewhat given people more incentive to level alts, this is a good thing. People have access to level 80 characters quickly and they can be fully geared. You can also, provided you have skill point scrolls and some gold, unlock all the traits.
So at this point, either through crafting, zerging or toming, you can have a level 80 alt in a matter of minutes or days with full exotic gear (or ascended if you transfer it off another character/have it in the bank ready made) and you can have all the skills and the traits that you will need.
You’re really asking for 1 step further and wanting the entire map unlocked? I mean if you have the gold and the skill points you have essentially a 100% complete character done within a few minutes. Access to any dungeon/event/activity and it’s taken you no time at all. So what is going to keep you playing?
You already have these fully maxed out characters with full gear, skills and traits and you’re honestly asking for more?
It’s frankly lazy to me as a long time MMO player to see people wanting to just be given access to all this content on any character they want.
I’m thinking of just 2 games in particular right now that I’ve played recently. (Had to cut the 2nd since over 5k characters..)

Guild Wars 1. As a long time speedclearer I rerolled all the useful SC classes to level 20, I then got them to the SC zones (not a difficult task, maybe taking me 20 minutes..) having to ascend them (complete certain missions) get gear (easy just a bit of gold) unlock skills (tomes) and then it was ready. Except it wasn’t just that easy.
For most “hardcore” speed clears they required PvE only skills. These took a little bit more time to acquire and once acquired, you needed a decent rank for them to be effective (until a patch very late into the game that lowered the ranks needed for effectiveness)
On top of this, for a DoA player (End game Nightfall) you’d need to complete the entire campaign and have a decent PvE title (Lightbringer) to be able to effectively complete the speedclear.
-The game is providing me with content to level
-The game is providing me with content to progress my characters
-The game is providing me with content to complete when I max those characters

While I understand that GW2 is a totally different game to GW1 I don’t think you realise quite how much you’re given already. 0 time to level. 0 time to get armor. 0 time to get skills/traits and then 0 time to go anywhere on the map? What is there to keep you playing at that point?
-The game is providing me with content to complete when I max those characters.

Suddenly you’re missing out on content you’ve completed once. Perhaps it’s anets fault that re playability of running through/exploring zones isn’t fun to you. Perhaps they need to make that more enjoyable and rewarding. They do not however, need anymore ways to allow you to skip through content because you find it boring.

Tangent not really related to my post——-

In gaming terms, being able to pay for content you otherwise have to spend time to unlock is what is generally considered as “pay to win”. Anet does get around this concept quite a bit with their Gold > Gem conversion however so this argument is kind of moot.

Not everyone has the money to spend in the same way that you do.

It might be an option open to everyone – actually being able to spend RL money however is not an option open to everyone.

Not everyone can afford to spend money or a great deal of time on the game, yet I know a lot of those people with 8 100% completions, full dungeoneer and having 15k+ AP. Because rather than sitting on the forums complaining they spend their time in game completing their goals.

end of tangent——-

Okay, but what for?
What do you want to do on your alt characters that is so game changing playing on a different character?
Guild Missions? – Hardly changes no matter what character you’re on
World bosses? – 0 difference except maybe you gotta stand at 900 range not 1200..
Dungeons? – Except arah 15 minutes of your life for an alt to get to dungeons wont kill you.

If you thoroughly read my post, I also mentioned that there were OTHER waypoints that were unlocked if you planned accordingly.
Waypoints for Teq/MD/Golem/Shatterer/even guild missions can be reached very quickly.

My question is- outside of things you can only complete once a day/once a week for the reward anyway:

World Bosses
Guild Missions
Dungeons

Do you desperately need these waypoints for anyway? From PvP/LA you can get to any of the major cities, from my post above you can get to any of the major locations.

The fact is, you don’t.
The time you spent here reading through this thread and replying you could have gotten access to:

All the dungeon WPs
All the World Boss WPs
All the GM WPs.

Instead you decided to come onto the forums and complain it bores you to do these things.
Isn’t it equally boring to go to world bosses and just press 1? Is your enjoyment changed because your skill bar looks different?
Are Gms really that fun on a different character (99% of GMs require you to press 1 or run from point A to?

The fact you have already unlocked them on a different character means you can get to these areas/instances/missions on a different character and have no need to get to them on an alt.

You are infact diminishing peoples reward of unlocking every waypoint by offering this service.

“Oh you got all waypoints on your 20 characters? Cool. I spent 1000 gems and got every character I ever make from now on all waypoints too!”

I’m still struggling to see why anyone needs this.

I am still struggling to understand what events people feel the desperate need to log in an alt to attend X event.

I myself do play all 8 professions.
I can go into all the dungeons on any character.
I can swap to 5 of 8 characters for 50 FoTM and 8/8 for 49 FoTm.
I can reach any area on the map on 4 characters. – Guild Missions/World Bosses

I don’t see any need for all 8 of my characters to suddenly have 100% waypoints just because it’s tedious to get to the Shatterer on my Engineer that I barely play ever.
I don’t see the need for the Revanent (new class inc) to be able to reach all the map just because I insta 80 it with tomes. I’ll run it to dungeons/orr/world bosses when I need something to do in game

Most people make alts to be able to complain they can’t use them or play them because they have to play through content to progress them.

So by having alts they can make threads like this:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Unlock-all-Waypoints/page/3#post5087037

It’s too difficult to get an Asura to bring and install a new waypoint.

As I said in the other thread…

Crystallize.8603:

It takes around 15 minutes per character (excluding Orr) to get all the dungeon Waypoints on a brand new character Tomed up to 80.
(Sped up by using a friend to waypoint into the dungeon and open it then run out.) This excludes CoE but you can still get to the area in a relatively short amount of time if you use the SE skip.

I think the biggest thing people forget is that dungeons only need the area open to enter the dungeon for the first time. After that, having used the portal at the door you have the dungeon WP open

Wherever you are, teleport to PvP, run through portal to LA, use the racial portals to get to Hoelbrak.
Hoelbrak, exit East to Wayfarer.
Wayfarer, exit North to Frostgorge – TP into HoTW and exit back to Frostgorge
Frostgorge, exit east to Fireheart
Fireheart, TP into CoF and exit back to Fireheart
Teleport back to PvP, run through portal to LA, use racial portal to Black Citadel (can skip tp to Pvp saves a few silver tho :P)
Black Citadel, exit East to Plains of Ashford – TP into AC and exit back to Plains of Ashford
Teleport back to PvP, run through portal to LA, use racial portal to Hoelbrak (can skip tp to Pvp saves a few silver tho :P)
Hoelbrak, exit South to Dredgehaunt – TP into Sorrows Embrace and exit back into Dredgehaunt
Dredgehaunt (nearly already at the bottom of the map \o/) exit south into Timberline
Timberline (longest run so far) exit south into Mt Mealstrom
Mt Maelstrom – can get into P3 and complete for WP ~ or run there
Teleport back to PvP, run through portal to LA, use racial portal to The Grove (can skip tp to Pvp saves a few silver tho :P)
The Grove, exit North into Caledon Forest – TP into TA and exit back to Caledon
Teleport back to PvP, run through portal to LA, use racial portal to Divinitys Reach (can skip tp to Pvp saves a few silver tho :P)
Divinitys Reach exit South into Queensdale and TP into CM. CM – exit back into Queensdale.

At this point, you only have to run down to Orr (which you can do quickest from the newly opened Mt Maelstrom WP.

Heading all the way West from that WP will take you into Sparkfly and Teq. Taking a detour south will give you access to megadestroyer and exiting to the SouthWest will give you access to Fort Trinity.
The Mt Maelstrom WP is only a short run and swim from the Golem Mark blabla world boss as well. (South East)

Having already run through Wayfarer you’ll certainly have a waypoint very close for the Maw event.
Having HoTW open, and having run to Fireheart from there, you have Jormag open.
Having AC open, exiting SouthEast to Blazeridge and running north gives you access to The Shatterer.

We already have the TA waypoint open (jungle wurm)
and exiting East into Brisban and South into Metrica gives us access to Fire Elemental.

From the CM waypoint, run south and you have the Shadow behemoth.

From Lions Arch, run directly north and you’ll have the modnir Shaman.
From Lions Arch exit south and then West to reach Taida/ Alternatively run south for Triple Trouble.

The thing is. Why do you need these waypoints open on all characters? If you have 1 world boss farmer.. the others are kinda irrelevant and you CAN get them very QUICKLY but people are lazy.

The real long run, is running to Orr, and as soon as you’re inside Cursed Shores you’re already there. So at the end of the day to get to orr all you have to do is

Hoelbrak – Dredgehaunt – SE – Dredgehaunt (short run) -Timberline (actually running in this map) – Mt Maelstrom (actually running in this map) – Straights of Dev (actually running in this map) – Malchors (actually running in this map) and you’re at Arah.

Which considering you’d need to run to these anyway for CoE/all the meta events in Mt Mael.. it’s not that far..

Plan your routes.. decide if you REALLY need areas on alts.. I mean, if you want your 10th mesmer to have Arah then great. Go run and get it.
Infact. I’m gonna go do this now on a fresh 80 and see where I get to.

Having completed the full dungeon run (including Arah) ~it took me 37 minutes on a Mesmer (slowest character in game too be fair)
This post shows that actually MOST SIGNIFICANT WAY POINTS can be unlocked in around 1 hour.

If you are on these forums you’ve wasted well over 1 hour you could have spent on running to these waypoints.~~~

This is devolving into the same argument as the WvW map completion.

“QQ ITS TOO HARD MAKE EASIER PLZ”
“QQ I MAKE ALTS BUT DONT WANT TO PLAY THEM”

Level 5 zoning into a level 80 map will get 1 shot. Js.

People that got 100% on all their chars.. also got it to turn around and say. I can go anywhere on all my chars. Sup.

People need to stop taking this “play how you want” philosophy to heart.
It’s the same as the “no grind philosophy”

Okay, you can play how you want but only within the limitations of the game itself.

If you want a game that truly lets you play however you want then you’re expecting FAR TOO MUCH and being UNREALISTIC.

I want to use a Greatsword on my Thief. That’s how I want to play, should I make a post every time I want to use a weapon on a char that can’t currently? No.

I want every dungeon to be solo and be able to get the same reward as a 5 man party in a scaled down version of the game. I don’t want to have to rely on others. But unfortunately thats the limitation of the game.

I want to run fractals 50 without ascended armor. This would mean everyone has access to the hardest content in the game without ever having done lower content >.>?

It takes at most 1 hour to get to all the important waypoints in the game. FYI if you’re on the forum right now, chances are you’ve wasted way more than 1 hour just idling in LA while on the forums.

People saying mapping = speeding through zones to get specific waypoints..? really? You’re doing something horribly wrong if this is the case!
(All the wps aren’t specific i can see you pedantic forum reply peoples)

If the game truly let every single player, play exactly how they wanted then there would be no content released, just pure QoL changes so that every single player can complete FoTM 50, every dungeon and obtain all skins and achievements just by logging in.

37 minutes of game time to get the majority of useful waypoints (thats on a mesmer) is about the time most people probably spend per day in LA idling trying to work out what to do. Put that idle to good use. /shoo.

15 mins from Mt Maelstrom to Arah on a Mesmer. 37 mins total for all dungeon WPs and I got lost a couple of times :P
If thats too much effort, why are you making more alts (note. It doesn’t all have to be done in 1 day)

On a Mesmer (with no speed runes only focus 4), reaching all dungeon waypoints (excluding Arah) just took me 22minutes. So theres that.
Now about to run to Arah.

It takes around 15 minutes per character (excluding Orr) to get all the dungeon Waypoints on a brand new character Tomed up to 80.
(Sped up by using a friend to waypoint into the dungeon and open it then run out.) This excludes CoE but you can still get to the area in a relatively short amount of time if you use the SE skip.

I think the biggest thing people forget is that dungeons only need the area open to enter the dungeon for the first time. After that, having used the portal at the door you have the dungeon WP open

Wherever you are, teleport to PvP, run through portal to LA, use the racial portals to get to Hoelbrak.
Hoelbrak, exit East to Wayfarer.
Wayfarer, exit North to Frostgorge – TP into HoTW and exit back to Frostgorge
Frostgorge, exit east to Fireheart
Fireheart, TP into CoF and exit back to Fireheart
Teleport back to PvP, run through portal to LA, use racial portal to Black Citadel (can skip tp to Pvp saves a few silver tho :P)
Black Citadel, exit East to Plains of Ashford – TP into AC and exit back to Plains of Ashford
Teleport back to PvP, run through portal to LA, use racial portal to Hoelbrak (can skip tp to Pvp saves a few silver tho :P)
Hoelbrak, exit South to Dredgehaunt – TP into Sorrows Embrace and exit back into Dredgehaunt
Dredgehaunt (nearly already at the bottom of the map \o/) exit south into Timberline
Timberline (longest run so far) exit south into Mt Mealstrom
Mt Maelstrom – can get into P3 and complete for WP ~ or run there
Teleport back to PvP, run through portal to LA, use racial portal to The Grove (can skip tp to Pvp saves a few silver tho :P)
The Grove, exit North into Caledon Forest – TP into TA and exit back to Caledon
Teleport back to PvP, run through portal to LA, use racial portal to Divinitys Reach (can skip tp to Pvp saves a few silver tho :P)
Divinitys Reach exit South into Queensdale and TP into CM. CM – exit back into Queensdale.

At this point, you only have to run down to Orr (which you can do quickest from the newly opened Mt Maelstrom WP.

Heading all the way West from that WP will take you into Sparkfly and Teq. Taking a detour south will give you access to megadestroyer and exiting to the SouthWest will give you access to Fort Trinity.
The Mt Maelstrom WP is only a short run and swim from the Golem Mark blabla world boss as well. (South East)

Having already run through Wayfarer you’ll certainly have a waypoint very close for the Maw event.
Having HoTW open, and having run to Fireheart from there, you have Jormag open.
Having AC open, exiting SouthEast to Blazeridge and running north gives you access to The Shatterer.

We already have the TA waypoint open (jungle wurm)
and exiting East into Brisban and South into Metrica gives us access to Fire Elemental.

From the CM waypoint, run south and you have the Shadow behemoth.

From Lions Arch, run directly north and you’ll have the modnir Shaman.
From Lions Arch exit south and then West to reach Taida/ Alternatively run south for Triple Trouble.

The thing is. Why do you need these waypoints open on all characters? If you have 1 world boss farmer.. the others are kinda irrelevant and you CAN get them very QUICKLY but people are lazy.

The real long run, is running to Orr, and as soon as you’re inside Cursed Shores you’re already there. So at the end of the day to get to orr all you have to do is

Hoelbrak – Dredgehaunt – SE – Dredgehaunt (short run) -Timberline (actually running in this map) – Mt Maelstrom (actually running in this map) – Straights of Dev (actually running in this map) – Malchors (actually running in this map) and you’re at Arah.

Which considering you’d need to run to these anyway for CoE/all the meta events in Mt Mael.. it’s not that far..

Plan your routes.. decide if you REALLY need areas on alts.. I mean, if you want your 10th mesmer to have Arah then great. Go run and get it.
Infact. I’m gonna go do this now on a fresh 80 and see where I get to.

Can we have something to do before HoT other than watching videos and reading about beta access every other week? K thanks.

A reactivated event.
New WvW season
A new fractal order (desperate here..)
SAB
…anything.. I’d take dragonbash at this point.

http://days.to/24-february/2015

Since last content update.

UW –
2 Unique Miniatures
Unique Scythe “skin”
Unique Sword “skin”

FoW
Unique Sword “skin”

Urgoz
Unique Weapon “skins”

The Deep

Unique Weapon “skins”

DoA -

Unique Weapon “skins” – Armbraces (was also a currency)

Honestly, if each dungeon or fractal had something special to drop in it then maybe we’d flock to dungeons more than just #dungeoneer#needgold ;/

The issue is, regardless of your build or gear the mechanics of a fight remain the same all the time.

You have to kill the boss before it kills you. That I think we all can agree on.

The only way to stay alive vs an encounter is by using the skills given to us.

We damage the boss using

Weapon skills
Utility Skills
Elites

We can avoid damage entirely using:

Dodging
Blind
Reflect
Block

We can mitigate the damage using:

Weakness
Protection
Toughness

We can stay alive using

Vitality
Heals
Regeneration

The thing is, if you’re in Zerker or Clerics these facts stay the same. Just because you’re in Zerker doesn’t mean you don’t have access to blocks and heals. Just because you’re in Clerics doesn’t mean you don’t have access to weapon skills or utility skills.

If you’re in soldiers gear “tanking” the boss (assuming he is hitting you), eventually the heals will run out. Eventually you will have to dodge, eventually you will need to blind or heal or use other tools to do kill the boss before it hits you. Just wearing a tanky set of armor doesn’t do much.
If you’re in Knights, you can do exactly the same but perhaps survive a little longer and crit a bit more with a lower health pool.
With a bit more “skill” you can do the exact same thing in Zerker gear, do more damage and stay alive at the same rate. Dodging/blocks/blinds become more heavily relied on and you’re not going to be able to take as many if any hits, but you’re going to do more damage and you’re going to kill the boss a lot faster.

There really is no problem with the Zerker meta other than everyone assuming it’s the only way to do things. It’s not. It’s just, given the state of the game the fastest and more efficient way to do dungeons/fractals.

please note, this post is talking about gear only, not traits/builds

Honestly, I’d like this idea if all my characters didn’t already have Infused Redrings/Crystallines. Didn’t already have infused backpieces. Didn’t already have ascended amulets and earrings. But unfortunately they do, like many other people’s do.

I’d admit being able to somehow put ascended armor/weapons on multiple characters at once would be nice but again, I, like many others have multiple sets of ascended armor on my account.
The only reason you need the ascended on alt characters is for Fractals and harcore WvW. If you’re in that dire need of it on 2nd/3rd characters then get it. Otherwise stick to exotic.

lordkrall.7241:

Filled up the wardrobe with all currently obtainable skins?
Gotten the Fractal Tonic?
Gotten to Platinum Legend in WvW?
Completed all feasible (ergo all possible except most of the WvW ones) achievements?

Skin wise, my characters have their own unique look and I’ve put a lot of time into creating these. I’m never going to max out the wardrobe with all skins since frankly SO many of them are gemstore items that I refuse to pay real money for / have missed out on them so I can’t meet 100% wardrobe so getting a 90% (cuz it’s whats obtainable seems silly to me) I have the achivement for wardrobes and that’s as full as it needs to be out side of collections.

Fractal tonic? I’ve done Fotm 41-50 every day since I can remember. I’m still missing 6 Fractal skins, RNG drops are NOT goals that can just be achieved over time especially when I’m limited to doing it once a day. Note: Missing 6 fractal skins and I sometimes run 3-4 Fractals a day 19/29/40/50. (all able to drop skins) so Tonic isn’t realistically something I’m ever aiming for.

My server has pretty much abandoned wvw. Most of the WvW guilds have left and I have no real inclination to spend real money or my in game gold to Xfer for content that has not received any real updates in 3 years. Not to mention a wvw tournament that’s well overdue.
So this might be an excuse somewhat, but I prefer defending in WvW. I upgrade towers/place siege, defend, scout. I don’t generally attack people and I’m champion of running away. I don’t capture things I just stay safe and help where I feel I can. That’s what I enjoyed in WvW before my server basically quit.

You’re pulling at every aspect of the game assuming that a single person enjoys every aspect of the game. Most don’t. A lot of people don’t enjoy pvp at all, so they need the game to provide them with new PvE content. A lot of people don’t enjoy pve. So they need the game to provide them with new PvP/WvW content. That’s why there are different game modes to suit different players. Ironically, you’ve met someone who IS actively interested in all game modes. I enjoy all of them and have worked through and enjoyed all aspects.

The thing is, what you’re saying is to get a lot of items for collections that generally are gold sinks. So how am I going to achieve these without repetitively grinding out dungeons/sw chest trains for gold.

Spirit weapon collection. I have the hammer, brb I’ll just make 2k gold for the other 4.
Miniature collections – I can’t afford to buy things with RL money so again that’s a gold sink
Black Lion Collections – /lol yea.
Treasure Hunter – RNG drops or buy from TP – another gold sink
Acolyte of Dwayna – gold sink
Shield Master – come on….

A lot of the things you’re telling me is “things to do” isn’t actually content. It’s stuff to spend your gold on. I don’t actively make gold anymore since running dungeons over and over (my 2nd account nearly has dungeoneer too just from dungeon running) and doing SW Trains is just repetitive and I need something different.
NOTE: Something different. Not new

I am honestly shocked how people are content with seeing weekly streams of HoT stuff and think that’s adequate for a company as opposed to giving the current players something to “do” rather than something to “watch”.
Didn’t the majority of people complain at all the cutscenes in LWs2? Didn’t most forum warriors get angry that there was more cutscenes/talking than playing >.>?

Or do you have all Living Story achievements? Yes
Completed all collection? Nearly all. Grinding orr / Jormag for the RNG drops for collections still.
Gotten 5 characters to lvl 80? I have.. about 25 at level 80
Gotten to rank 80 in sPvP? Yes and am slowly but surely getting Champion on all chars.
Gotten all legendaries? 6 so far. Eternity / Bolt/Minstrel/Incinerator/Quip working 2nd quip for Twice Told Legend.
Gotten full Ascended gear for your character? 2 sets for war. 1 set for guard (working on 2nd) 2 sets for ele (working on 3rd) 1 set for thief. Working on Mesmer they are the classes I play. But all my active characters have 55+ AR for fotm 49. Other chars have full exotics/geared out and all have ascended accessories.

Next.

That is true, and I understand that. But this is a game I want to play daily when I can. This is a game I really want to keep WANTING to play. Yet right now, I don’t want to because there isn’t anything different. I look around at other games, even mobile phone games and see AN event. Doesn’t have to be anything glamorous, just something different to do.
Easter came and went and we had no “easter” event. Valentines day came and went and no event there.. Spring has come and no “Spring event” they could just throw something here or there to show

“Hey loyal players, we’ve not forgotten you!” I guess is how i feel right now ;/

Instead of “Hey players, new and old, this is stuff you CAN play if you BUY our expansion”!!!

EDIT I guess it’s like.. why buy HoT when right now, all I can see is a wall of no updates, no events and the next new content I have to pay for. So after HoT i’ll have to keep paying for new content/events? or..?
(I get I probably wont have to pay after HoT for a while I do see that, but that’s how it feels right now. Considering the Sheer amount they are getting from the gemstore.. :|)

gemstore skins, are not something I can spend time doing. If anet are going to honestly turn around and tell me that them updating the gemstore on a bimonthly basis should keep me playing then that’s a whole other problem.

April 28th

Beta portal stones dropped – Mentioned already
Black Lion skins updated – P2w gemstore nonsense not farming keys by remaking chars ty.

April 14th

New gemstore items – …? This is content?
Ability to buy Season 2 as a bundle – …? This is content?
Updated some tiny bugs – This is content?

April 7th

Fixed a Client Crash

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Game_updates/March_2015

etc..

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Game_updates/February_2015

etc..

They might complain at a lack of s3, but those same people i’m sure would still do it because it’s SOMETHING DIFFERENT. Something non-permanent and just different to the current state of the game.

on the contrary, I was happy to do the Xmas event as it was something that isn’t permanently in the game. It was something “different” regardless of rehashed content, it was something different.
It’s like SAB, people honestly didn’t care if it was “new” or just the last one. They just wanted SAB because it was something to do.
Right now people want SOMETHING TO DO. Not just “Oh look dragonhunter is coming… yay..” we want to PLAY.

I’m not asking for big content patches. a lot of the frame work is already in place for new collections. Small things can go a long way. Like new collections of items ALREADY IN THE GAME.
Fractal leaderboard? that was a thing once.
Honestly there just hasn’t been anything since Xmas.. and the Xmas events were really just copy/paste of last years..

I guess, at least in GW1 when they did minor skill changes that affected dungeons/pvp etc we spent a couple days working on adapting builds to suit them. Even the slightest fix could be meta changing :/ Now small bug changes and skill fixes really don’t do anything.

I’m sure this is raised daily but.. I’m getting upset with gw2 after investing so much time into the game. After loving it and playing it so much.. I am just tired.

So HoT is coming maybe at the end of August. At least thats when most of us as speculating it’s coming but what are we getting right now?
Just looking at the release page on Wiki, because frankly i’m lazy and this is the first page I found with releases;

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Release

The last 2 years we’ve seen new updates every month just about. New patches, or events.
The last true “release” was in January. It’s now the middle of May nearly and we’ve seen no update other than the Chinese New year release which as far as I know was just a rehashed event from the Chinese Servers?

It’s now May.. we’ve not really properly had any patch or anything “new” no events since January.
So what, are we genuinely expected to hang around doing nothing other than looking at new specialisations till August?
I get it’s great we get to see the expansion stuff.. but we don’t get to play it (oh except people with lucky rng in game/email)
I don’t know right now.

Super Adventure box with some new achievements?

Some new dungeon achievements just to keep people interested for a couple weeks?

Some rare skins dropping only in the dungeons. Like a Spirit Dagger (similar to the spirit crafted weapons but dagger/mace etc) for AC example.

Some new fractal achievements? – Fractal Weapon collection? New use for Pristine Relics?

A new type of guild mission?

New skins (NOT IN THE GEMSTORE) to farm/acquire from doing specific tasks (collections / quests / bosses or something )

Open world scavenger hunts, there are hidden areas all over the map. I’ve just completed my 4th map completion this week. There are still little areas that I discover or rediscover every time I do it. Just adding little interactions or something, to gain an item and get a new collection for.. SOMETHING would give people something to do.

No offence to the hardworking gw2 team, but while HoT might be the top of your priorities.. as a player.. I need something to do after nearly 4 months of nothing.. and I’m one to grind content.
I will grind out Fractals over and over. I will grind out achievements over and over. I have done all the LS Achievements, I have done the PvP achievements etc

I mean, the mobile game I’m playing at the moment is pushing out events left right and centre. Even if those events are just “double drop rate” or. “double exp” at least they are something to focus my attention on.

I can’t really say gw2 can adapt these specific things, but like..

Double Karma for a weekend.. or… increased precursor drop rate.. or.. double exp from events..
Like if it’s double exp.. maybe i’ll level that new character (not me personally just you know..)

This whole beta thing really bothered me too. I would really like to help test the beta.. but I have farmed so much SW that I just can’t anymore. I’ve defended Blue,Red,Indigo and Amber so often that I just don’t want to anymore. I don’t need the gold from it I did all that over Xmas when Silverwastes was new. I did dry top when Drytop was new. I don’t really want to farm the content I grinded out when it was new for a “chance” at trying the beta
(Note, I have completed probably 3-4 full breaches/VWs daily since the portal was announced/started dropping. While not a lot that’s all I brought myself to being able to do)

Sorry for the wall of text. I’m just worried at this point I’m going to turn away to another game and just forget about gw2, then get even further behind on the AP wheel (dailys/locked achivements from S1) if I come back and miss out because I lost interest in a game that wasn’t providing me with anything new.

I mean honestly, looking around at other games. they are all regularly releasing something. Be it events or content.. the last time I can remember having an event in gw2 now was Christmas.. the Chinese event was .. just .. no words.. but yea..

Quincy :/

~15 chars

Do your maximum Fractal level daily until you’re above 30 then just do 19s and 29 daily. I’ve personally geared 2 characters in Zerk/Assasin gear just from this Perhaps I’ve been incredibly lucky but the ascended chests DO drop at a nice rate at 19. The problem is a lot of people go once.. twice maybe a third time and don’t get a drop and then give up.

The only reason at all to do a Fractal 41-50 is for the tonic or the challenge. Given that most people pull mossman from 10+….. shows they don’t care about the challenge so I’m beyond knowing why they bother with the higher levels when they don’t do the lower ones.

@The person above, why do you need ascended jewellry for all your characters? To get like 10 points more power? Exotics are perfect for all 80 content.
I run fractals all the time, I have all 9 chars (inc revanant.. rings in storage) set with 2 sets of rings (most brought from Pristine Relics) and can purchase at least 20 more rings if I needed to. (Meta change etc)
On days with daily fractal/fractal X-X0 then you can get up to 3 pristine relics in just 1 Fractal. I’m sorry if that’s too hard for you. But if it is, you really don’t need ascended items as doing a 1-10 fractal is some of the easiest pve content in the game.

If you only have a small amount of time a day to play then you need to prioritize that time if you want to get things done. It’s honestly useless to say “oh I have 3 hours to play i should get as good a reward as someone that plays 20 hours a day”

That’s just not realistic. You work 9 hours a day, if someone works only 1 hour a day who “should” make more money?

I’m getting sick and tired of people that don’t have the time to invest in the game complaining it takes them longer than people who do have the time. Suck it up, it’s going to take longer.

So if you “need” those ascended rings so badly, on the days with daily fractal DO THE DAILY FRACTAL.
On the days without the daily fractal, at least do a 1-10 for a Pristine Relic. That’s 1/10th of your ring right there and it shouldn’t take too long as most enemies melt with even super new players.

Would it be possible to get some sort of heads up before a patch comes. It’s starting to get stupid the amount of times I’m in a Fractal and a patch hits. Then someone DCs or wants to change character or leaves for RL or just w/e and the whole run is ruined.

On the 2nd Fractal tonight and I start lagging, simple fix restart internet/PC but it takes about 10 minutes and the patch notice has just come up. So I stay in with 500+Ms. Run is going really smooth, Urban battleground no deaths at all so it’s going well.
We clear the boss and then zone into dredge, instantly get the pop up that the new patch is out.. and our Ele DCs..
So as none of us really wanted to do dredge 4 man we reset.

I get that this is really just a lot of bad luck but it’d be nice if we had a bit of forewarning to when patches are coming (10 minutes is NOT enough :c)

Working now- but Plains of Ashford is broken now \o/

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