Guild Wars 2

The outstanding thieves in NA never used haste anyways… Cough Cough
EU is clearly light years behind.

Of course not. I was just using you as a middle man to get to Nero

Um, who is this Xeph guy?
Do you even ele, bro?

My poor Hmann.

Zodian.6597:

DevilsGlare.7658:

Self-proclaimed360no$copeL@dder$t@ll all-star pro right here. Clearly.

RARE VAIN SPOTTING

I’ve been really pushing my rapping career.
Album: Vain vs Powerr.

lol… not.

Valkyriez.6578:

Oh yeah, I do t disagree with you there. Pairs were ridiculous, the whole tournament system was. I’m just talking about the population prior to paid tournaments just after release.

If we had 5 maps, solo que and leaderboards then, the community would be healthier. Too little too late.

As for Indaviduals, I miss Vain on SOTG. He has a good handle on how the game should be.

D’awwwwwwwwww, I’m blushing. <3
I miss my team

Self-proclaimed360no$copeL@dder$t@ll all-star pro right here. Clearly.

Ruune.9820:

Sorry for the nooby question, but is this the same Powerr that used to do Shadow in SWToR?

Yes, it happens to be the same guy.

Sprawl.3891:

whining about whining, lolz

if Anet really cared about spvp they would invest more people/time/effort to it, it’s blatantly obvious to any non-fanboi that sPvP is the 3rd tier compared to PvE and WvW based on dev support and straight up player population.

But hey, keep dreaming QT. You sound just like every other fanboi trying to keep the peace as their ship goes down in flames. I could copy paste a similar post from pretty much every past failure from Warhammer to AOC to SWTOR. “dont be mean to the devs, give them time, it will get better” lol no.

Can you blame them though? They have hundreds of thousands of people enjoying PvE and WvW vs a few thousand who take spvp seriously. Why should they bother? Spvpers don’t spend money.

Lol “fanboi”
I’m just being realistic. I left this game and played multiple others that are currently out right now, and like I previously said, the grass isn’t always greener on the other side. Continue being a cynic Sprawl, I’m sure the devs love creating new content for people such as yourself. My entire post summed up is about turning the community into a give/take relationship, instead of simply take. If you’re too simple to understand that, then debating anything with you would be a moot point as well.

If you would really like to give money to Anet, i’ll do you a solid and collect it all up and consolidate it.

You can always count on me, gentlemen.

Helseth, be nice.
Remember what we talked about, center your emotions young padawan.

Did I mention Soju is OP?

<Player looking for a team>
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Ingame name: QT Vain
Main Class: Ele
Secondary Classes: Thief (ask Grouch about em, lol)
Region: NA or EU
Practice Times: I work from 9am to 5pm KST
Experience: No experience whatsoever. Rank 50.
Other: I’ve received the title “Best smile NA”.

Killthehealersffs.8940:

In the previous WoW expasion and the current one , the Devs tried to balance eveything around the PvE dps meters (all character should do almost damage per sec in the a boss fight) , leaving some classes to the darkness(resto druids- they couldnt buff their healing over times spells screwing them in PvP ) and having some classes with Op spells (like the BM hunters in the start of Pandaria** that could kill a target in 1-2 sec) . In result Arena ladders atm are not active

I fully agree with you. While I feel like the game should be balanced for top tier play, I do think that devs should still be listening to other, more casual players as well. The first time ANET released a patch stating “X is only nerfed/buffed in Spvp” I got super excited. If I recall, the only other game that I’ve currently seen do that is SWTOR.

Davinci is right, ele’s were OP.
Can’t deny it.

Kwll.1468:

All I read in the op, which I stopped reading half way through, is its the players fault for wanting what was promised from Anet from beginning. Clearly Anet has delivered a superior product so superior that in North America there are probably about 100-200 people doing spvp regularly. The less so called pro’s post to be honest the happier I would be. I blame most of you for the problems with this game because A-net listened to a lot of your opinions when developing this mediocre product in beta. Games should not be developed from the top down but from the bottom up.

I’m not quite sure I agree with your statement whatsoever. Prior to playing MMO’s I had a long run within the competitive FPS community. From Halo to Cod, I played it… My point is this, those games were specifically developed top down, because they knew that would reap the best results. The creators of those games would specifically target the “pro” players and get them to run alpha’s and beta’s. The result from doing so was extremely successful from both COD and Halo.

While that may not directly translate (being this game is an MMO), it doesn’t necessarily mean it isn’t possible for the game to be made from top to bottom. People have complained about WoW becoming to easy, and all you hear from the WoW community is how they miss vanilla. That game is specfically developed bottom up for the simple purpose of trying to impress every single player, casual or not. The result, the game is slowly fading away, and other developers are learning from their triumphs, and their mistakes.

Did I mention the Soju in Korea is OP?

@Archer Henchman
You sir, make my e-sports/gaming panties wet.
Educated, intelligent, and thorough. I love reading your insight.

No kitten

@PowerBottom
I absolutely agree with your statement. To clarify where I’m coming from a little further, my point isn’t for people to not be disappointed in the current results. It is more than understandable for the faithful players to be upset with the current progression of the game, but throwing out insult after insult towards the devs and staff of Anet will get this game nowhere.

While there are the few players that are doing what they can and creating a stronger community, the community (from my observations) is on a down-ward slope. Hopefully, to some, this thread serves as a pick-me-up of sorts. The game will progress, the men and women of ANET have poured hours of hard work into it. They’re not going to just abandon it and it’s players. That’s just simply not…. logical.

Competitive players are…. Competitive. Yes, that may be an obvious statement, but some people seem to forget what exactly that entails. If the environment isn’t set up to be competitive, then those players won’t stay. With that being said, once all the competitive content is released, those players will begin to slowly come back (with hope).

Oh, and hello to all of you. I miss you all!!

Vanthian.9267:

lilz shorty.1879:

Lighten up man lol. It’s only a game. Maybe you will get there too one day and say you are the best.

I know it is only a game and I am not mad. I don’t want to be the best; I want what was promised from Anet and that is a decent sPvP system with balance. I am merely pointing things that most people over look because they choose too.

Well, to clarify things up a bit for you Vanthian… That last minor statement I said about being the “best” was a simple joke. It was directed at no one specifically, nor did I truly mean it to be serious.

To everyone else, I do hope you realize what your doing. Just getting away from the negative posts and TS3 gw2 bashing sessions will let you see some light at the end of the tunnel. Whether it be this thread or another forum altogether, do your best to turn conversations from negative to positive. If you truly want to stick around for the long haul, make a stronger community.

Btw, I’m still the best ele around these parts. Right, Vanthian?

Pyrial.2917:

Your whole post reeks of the negative atmosphere you are trying to condemn.

Tough love?

I’ve found out they’re mass hoarding the poke balls in Korea.

I’ll be bold, blunt, and honest. As a matter of fact, this post will most likely be infracted, but I’m writing it anyways.

To start, I will openly admit I’ve been away from this game for a few months now, but I’ve been keeping tabs on the community, the gameplay, and the forums. I used to once be known as a 360 no-scope MLG all-star at this game, but I’ve been forced to retire the mouse and keyboard. Even before I stopped playing, I ventured out to different games in a vain (no pun intended) attempt to be pleased by them, and that was to no avail. What I’m trying to say to all you “nay-sayers” out there is that you need to stfu. The grass isn’t always greener on the other side. Having moved to Korea and obtaining a stupid amount of ping, alternate play times, and a heavy work load (RL), I just simply cannot play this game anymore… It’s been kittening depressing. I have honestly been yearning for this game for the past month, despite all the “BulLkitten ANET puts us pro peeps” through.

Now that I simply can’t play anymore, all I can do is stand on the sidelines and watch the streams and the forums…. and this is where I get to my true point. Quit being whiny “female dogs” (that’s right ANET, I just beat the system). It doesn’t matter wether or not you’ve played this game from release, or if you picked it up yesterday… Everybody has their own opinion, and let them be entitled to it. Quit beating people down for what they think, and start making a stronger community. You guys are ridiculous. Why put yourselves in a position to play in a small, hostile environment purposefully? For the most part, everyone that pvp’s has played a previous game that has demanded balancing issues, or major fixes. From WoW to LoL to Gw2, all these games at least have 2 simple things in common…. Balance and content. Surely, fill the developers in on what needs to be fixed, or added, but quit bashing each other for your thoughts. Again, you guys are ridiculous.

As kittening nerdy as this may be, there were points when I played this game that I was proud of where the community was leading. But, from the looks of it, you’ve all turned downhill again. You blame the developers for being undermanned, underfinanced, or sometimes even “worthless”. But, you fail to remember there is always two sides to every coin. The devs have brought you one of the most solid games I’ve ever played in my life, but yet you kitten on them for not releasing content when it hasn’t even been out for a YEAR. No game has ever been launched into perfection. Now, some of you are probably thinking “Uhhh, well Vain technically this one game…” Stfu, I’m still talking. My final point is simple, patience is key when dealing with a new game. If you want your game to become “perfect,” then you need to make the final decision as to wether or not your going to make the game grow, or if your just going to uninstall.

Developing games is never easy, everyone here has been witness to that with every post-WoW MMO. Quit whining and sniveling about how ANET abuses it’s players, and be pro-active. Do something.

BTW, I’m still the best ele in these parts. Don’t get that twisted.

Korea is OP.
More Soju pls.

Yours truly,

Vain

Valkyriez.6578:

Hawke.6943:

I cant say i didnt like this Podcast. At least it was more interested than the previous one.
I have some points.
I tottaly agreed with PvP skins on the gem shop, having its own section in PvP, solo ques
and how the balance is right now.
I dont agree with Vain when he said classes should be more difficult to play than there are now.IF this game is gonna be an E-sport, all classes should be easy to handle when u play them for at least 3hours. I agree, all classes are to easy to learn, but increasing difficulty wont bring too much excitement on new players.

I didn like when the guests started talking about mesmers portal and stuff, and the fact that 2 of them were main a mesmer, and they started to QQ about it, and at some point Java said “its your fault you’re bad L2P”

I liked whole environment, and especially the moment whit the EU,NA clash. xD. I’m looking fowrward to that.

Last thing, i aggree that Tournament tickets should be removed from the game. You cant believe how many teams would join paids if it wasnt for tickets.
I’m sure u can think of something else to make as of how to distinquish frees from paids..

peace.
p.s. EU 4 LIIFE!

The skill difficulty was probably in reference the difference across classes. I.e the difficulty to achieve the same damage output. Think “thief v Ele” etc etc. adding some more skills shots similar to how an Engi or Ele has to play instead of the often complained about Mesmer, thief or GS warrior burst. Some more ground targeting, less homing abilities would be good for the game. It promotes more skillful play.

Classes in thier current state are ok, but could be tweaked. Similar to other competitive games, they need to be easy to pick up but hard to master not just a set “rotation” with little risk and high reward.

Exactly this, and I wish I could had you over my shoulder helping me explain it a bit better!

Thanks for being very understanding fellas!
I think Xeph said it best when he stated that these SOTG’s are simply a players perspective and opinion on what might help out with the progression of the game. I know I definitely pushed on some topics that might have made people go absolutely nuts, but you guys all seem to be super receptive about it. Yes people may not agree, but nobody is in here trying to flame me for my personal opinion!

Thanks guys, it does mean a ton!
<3 Vain

Hyxorcisten.5786:

They talked about many important things that I hope the devs will listen and act to. For example that we would like the UTILITY-SWAPPING back.

Nobody wants comp wars.

“My staff ele when I used to like him”

Sata doesn’t like me anymore?

I’ve got an absolute crap ISP and there was some ping issues for me, but it wasn’t unplayable.

I’ll message you in game later tonight if your still on. It may end up being sometime tomorrow Helseth.

Who knows, maybe the next big patch is the implementation of cross region pvp and they’re welcoming the conflict. Conspiracy theories

EU guys, I propose this….
3 matches in your region, 3 matches in ours.
Whatever team holds the highest point difference in a match (500-100 lol) at the end of the 6 games chooses where they want the final match to go down at. (Assuming both teams won 3)
It’ll be done in frees running sync que so we can get past the timezone issue and we will do it on a weekend.

You got called out EU.
What is going to be the next excuse?

Defend Murrica! Bald eagles and mullets baby!
HOLD THE LINE.

#WeGetHype

Danto.6748:

DevilsGlare.7658:

In all reality, what this all is going to come down to is when we can actually see EU vs NA go down. But, being that EU players seem to have the biggest kittening ego’s in the world, you better ENSURE you win. Of course, it’s gonna be kinda rough for you to win with my team spawn camping you and forcing a 500-100 victory NA style down your throat.

Personally, I have nothing against these EU teams. These outlandish claims make it extremely hard to show any amount of respect to EU teams though…

For the EU guys that are in here supporting the OP, how about you grab your team and come play with us? You run your mouths too much. Quit giving off the excuse that “paids don’t pop NA”. If you want to keep talking, grab your sack and prove your worth over here. Scrubs.

This is probably the biggest “lol” I had in a few months! Thank you for this. You think you can stomp any EU team 500-100 ?

First of all, no EU team would ever come to NA for a few simple reasons like the playtime hours, the ques aren’t as frequent, there aren’t as many teams to play against as in EU and so on. We instead have a few “no lifers” study your streams from time to time and see if there’s anything to learn.

Second of all, there is no actual full team here in EU that showed up in this thread and said “We can stomp NA easy mode, lol u bad”. It was only a few player’s opinions. You shouldn’t go around claiming to stomp any EU team if we were to come to NA.

Last thing, I already told you this in private, but I’ll say it here as well; every competitive NA team should try to come to EU instead, there are a lot more active teams here, the ques are more frequent and there is a general big clash of ideas regarding tactics and builds here all the time. I really think that it would benefit both sides a lot if this were to happen.

P.S. This thread is a goldmine.
P.P.S. I am the best Guardian in the World, don’t forget to quote me on that because it clearly isn’t a troll.
P.P.P.S ’murica! F£$k yeah!

Honestly, there is no team in particular I’m “calling out”. But, yes some of you would be in for a rude awakening. Whether you believe it or not, you represent your team even if your speaking for yourself. People say “Hey, that’s Danto from TCG.” when they see you streaming, posting, etc. When someone comes in here calling out NA, with no ground to stand on… Then expect to get flamed.

Now, this Ace of Spades guy (whoever he is) isn’t known… I had no idea who Super Squad was until today. As a matter of fact, I didn’t know 90% of the people in the last SOTG but that didn’t bother me. I knew that whoever was hosting it did their homework and tried to pick up some great candidates for it. I listened to it, and enjoyed it.

What IS the meta, EU players? Do you sincerely think you set the standard? Arrogance. To fill all you EU players in, NA used to send a bunker ele to side nodes and hold it down MONTHS ago. NA swayed away from that when people started figuring out the counters to it. Whatever works for you EU guys, doesn’t work for us, it isn’t our playstyle and tbh I haven’t met an NA player yet that gives a F*$K.

Why do most of these NA players take this personal? Cause you EU guys have such big ego’s (those that are on “top teams”) and seem to ALWAYS start the issue of NA vs EU. It’s this big loop, over and over again. Never will NA and EU grow together as a community if you guys continously bring up this reoccuring argument and not have any true factual information backing this up.

P.S. Word on the street is that “Super Squad” came to NA awhile back and got wrecked by some NA pugs. I heard it through the grapevine, so it must be true. Lmao….. EU comp players….

If it can happen to PZ, it can happen to you!

Let’s make that a quote!
#Nextlevelkitten

Natural, he’s using cleansing fire to apply the burn for his fire grab. The utilities and combo he’s talking about is all utilized for that one burst. Literally, like a warriors burst combo, or thieves.

Ooooooh gotcha. Yah, I was definitely responding to some other guy saying ele burst isn’t viable. Tbh, I would consider a build that can global another glass cannon build to be completely viable!

But, in regards to like a 30fire 30 air build… I would never leave the spawn. I would literally hide away for the entire tourny.

0/10/0/30/30
Arc Wave + Blast + Mist form + Sig Heal
Divinity Runes, Sup Battle + Sup Bloodlust Sigils
Valk w/ Beserker Jewel

http://www.twitch.tv/ptdevils

Solori, I play for one of the top teams in NA. Yes, it may not mean much to you, but my point of telling you this is that nothing is just “not viable”. We have 3 builds that players in both the EU and NA regions would tell you isn’t viable whatsoever. We consistently win and progress forward. We have consistently tweaked and altered our builds to synergize between the team, and THAT is what makes our builds strong.

But, when it comes down to roaming… Ele’s are capable of a lot more than a thief.

-I am the ele and I roam offensively.
-I push far nodes by popping mesmers’ port.
-I help force even team fights with the above.
-I lock down the other teams thieves, ele’s, and warriors.
-I can nuke a thief (lol)
-I am great at skirmishing and 1v1’ing.
-I control entire teams with shocking aura, earthquake, churning earth, cleave damage, and frost aura.
-I can pull clutch res’s and stomps with mist form or utilizing either my arc wave or blast.
-I can keep heal or clear conditions of my teammates which usually ends up in winning team fights.
-If I ever catch a thief 1v1, he literally has to blow every single utility/wep cd he has available just to stay alive.
-If a thief tries to burst my necro, all I have to do is pop shocking aura/updraft or just put a burst on him and force him out of the fight.

So, now that it’s explained with a little more detail…. Tell me again how ele’s are subpar to thieves when it comes to roaming.

Oh gotcha. Lol I’m assuming you were banned for some of your language in map chat? Although I find it funny, I’m pretty sure some people just find it super offensive :P

People are still stuck in the “we just gotta get dem targets down” phase. Currently, our team has evolved into so much more… My main purpose isn’t to be a high damage roamer, it’s to peel and lock down other targets that try to put pressure on my necro and warrior. Who woulda thunk GW2 woulda turned out this way? :P

Hmm? Not sure if that was directed at me. I’m not quite sure any tourny team underestimates the potent cleave damage of an ele o.O

Arheundel.6451:

Oni.5429:

I sure can! Here are a number of completely viable builds, obviously not all of them will make it at the top level of paids but you seem more concerned about hot join where all of these will do quite well.

http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?fEEQJAoYhMmObyxygjDAkHm8SJjCdUeMDO2A;ToAA0CnoQygkAJLSOkkINgY+B
^
Dagger dagger spec which has good burst. While it’s burst is not thief level it makes up for it with good survivability and excellent roaming capablities. One of the best skirmishers for sure. EU don’t really use these eles in paids but alot of american players do. It also provides good support for your teams with the aura share.

http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?fEEQJAoYhMmObyxygjDAkHm8SJjCdUeMDO2A;ToAA0CnoQygkAJLSOkkINgY+B
^Tankier version of the spec above

http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?fEEQJAoYhMmKbyRygjDAkHm8SJiCPUeMDO2A;ToAA0CnoQygkAJLSOkkINgY+B
^more dps heavy version

http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?fEEQJArYhMmObyx5gjDAEFmgiQhFOUeMDO2A;ToAA0CnoQygkAJLSOkkINgY+B

Scepter dagger valk spec, decent damage and burst

There are also some more cheesy(but potentially very dangerous builds) such as berseker staff ele which Royal legion in EU used to run quite alot, in terms of dps that build does far more than a thief ever could.

Ele used to be a common pick for high level play back in the days when they didnt even have mist form to escape stomps and they’ve continued to be a core pick in setups, it’s power spiked even higher when their dueling capacity got buffed due to the channeling heal buff and after that(also before that) many had already voiced concerns that elementalists were possibly too strong (when played correctly, which honestly isnt as hard as many try to make it out to be.). This was all BEFORE we found the immortal scepter dagger heal allies from 20% to 80% spec.

edit; thanks to zoose for having his builds openly available c:

In tournaments as long as they don’t target you it’s easy, you could even use a “support” thief and call it viable…but it doesn’t cut it, because other professions can do it better.

A burst ele in tournaments is not viable because its spike not only is far too obvious but also leave the ele defenseless against counterattack, it’s very easy to neutralize the burst as you can see it coming from miles away, if you plan to use a hit and run tactic, why don’t use a thief who can stealth and pick off target more reliably?

Tried already these “burst” builds , at high level of paid you simply get destroyed by thieves who can deal over 15k dmg in 2s with that level of toughness on you.
The meta has evolved and people don’t get caught anymore by the old “burst” ele, it’s the same reason you don’t see many 100b warrior any longer, mesmer and thieves can reliably go burst and get away with it…an ele can’t

Well, I do say brother… Your just absolutely wrong. I find these opinions of yours to be kinda funny and here’s why:

My tourny team consists of:
-100b Warrior
-D/D “Burst Ele”
-D/D Necro
-Shatter Mesmer
-Condi Clear/Shout Guard

3 of these specs we play are considered “not viable” by players such as yourself. But, we do it well and we consistently win. The fact is, it’s the player that makes the builds work and how well you teams build synergize with each other.

This game has evolved way past “TUNNELING” targets. Which, you seem to be stuck under.

<3 Vain

I think i’ve only overshot once or twice in the entire time I’ve been playing ele and I’ve been playing since release.
I know Magnetic Grasp has a terrain issue that needs to be fixed. Sometimes you pretty much stun yourself for 3 sec and just float in the animation of the pull.

But never overshoots. Wierd. My best guess is a latency/ping issue.

In all reality, what this all is going to come down to is when we can actually see EU vs NA go down. But, being that EU players seem to have the biggest kittening ego’s in the world, you better ENSURE you win. Of course, it’s gonna be kinda rough for you to win with my team spawn camping you and forcing a 500-100 victory NA style down your throat.

Personally, I have nothing against these EU teams. These outlandish claims make it extremely hard to show any amount of respect to EU teams though…

For the EU guys that are in here supporting the OP, how about you grab your team and come play with us? You run your mouths too much. Quit giving off the excuse that “paids don’t pop NA”. If you want to keep talking, grab your sack and prove your worth over here. Scrubs.

Ace of Spades, my name is “QT Vain” and I steal all of your EU viewers on Twitch.
You may ask, “Why is that?”

My response… Cause I teach you kids how to play the game.
BTW, who the kitten is “Super Squad”?

Are you serious right now? You truly are accusing me of exploiting?
Had I known that I would come back up after I misted I wouldn’t have just STOOD there in shock that it just happened to me.

I consistently stream for HOURS and HOURS each day… Anyone that truly follows my stream will tell you that I do NOT abuse any exploits and I am completely against it.

Just because some random freak of nature res happened doesn’t give you the right to try and trash my name.

Caed, you have truly outdone yourself with this post. We don’t get along very often, but this post right here…. Makes me <3 you that much more.

My name is QT Vain and I approve of this post.

<3 Vain

Ah, I appreciate it Condiments! I am truly excited for this NA State of the Game! I would truly love to bring some blunt topics forth and just really get down to what Anet wants from us as a whole community.