Draconic Brigade is a hardcore PvE guild and recruit active PvE players to do daily dungeons/fotm. We have Guild Bounty+Trek+Rush. We have a TS server and guild website. We also managed to record an arah p2 run in 15 min. The video is in our site and also in youtube.
You can visit the post here:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/community/lookingfor/Dark-Draconic-Brigade-EU-Hardcore-PvE-Guild/first#post4818566
or go directly to our site for all the info required: http://draconic-brigade.enjin.com
Yo DarkyX
Draconic Brigade is a hardcore PvE guild and recruit active PvE players to do daily dungeons/fotm. We have Guild Bounty+Trek+Rush, TS, Site, Record. To join visit draconic-brigade.enjin.com and apply: http://draconic-brigade.enjin.com/
You can see our first record as a group.
Intro:
We’re a PvE guild that focus on dungeons+fractals of the mists.. We’re 25+ members now and we’d like to recruit more experienced active PvE players to expand our guild to form more teams for fast tours daily. We have a teamspeak server.
Our guild is located at Desolation server (EU). The guild is an English speaking guild that accepts EU+SEA players.
Goals:
- To avoid pugging, means we take our runs seriously and not casually nor use pug tactics.
- To play together nicely and without worrying about hypocrite douchbags who gets offended and that tend to kick because of personal affairs.
- To make our own records like top famous hardcore pve guilds.
What we can offer:
- Daily Dungeons Tours and Fractals.
- Guild Missions each week at Friday/Saturday.
- Meta builds for our group compositions on our site.
- Help at any sort of activity you need like tar and leveling alts but of course to swap only at endboss of dungeon.
- Nice and experienced players who are willing to improve speed run tactics, organized group tactics or just solo.
- Sometimes there are free paths.
- Trolls.
Requirements:
- Knowledge about your main and alts.
- Experience in all dungeons, especially Arah and Fractals.
- You must be full berserker/assassin at least exotic+offensive runes/sigils.
- At least 2 professions mastered.
- You must bring potions and food with you in the runs.
- You must have at least one character with 70 AR.
Rules:
- This is must be your main PvE guild.
- You must have the ability to listen, cooperate and be patient even if it doesn’t look a good build/tactic. We don’t accept stubborn people who refuse to listen and stick to their box. Sometimes you must change the build for the specific dungeon.
- You must have a TeamSpeak client with a working headphones, at least to hear us out (microphone isn’t required but highly preferred).
- You must be active during the week mostly and at least few hours a day. Weekends only won’t help.
- We don’t have problem if you PvP or WvW or Gbank but when you’re in any sort of PvE activity like dungeons/fractals/world bosses/open world and especially a guild run you must represent the guild. 90% representation time.
- No drama and getting offended over simple jokes/sarcasm. We don’t accept whiteknights nor kittens who complain about “unfriendly”. If you did an error we tell you, no hard feelings.
Trial: Whoever was accepted in the application form will be went through several trials.
- To run a path of your choice at Arah with a party.
- Trio Lupicus.
- To run a dungeon that requires a certain class to depend on, example: Thief for CM.
What we usually do:
- Dungeon tours daily: AC full, CM full, TA fw/up, SE 1/3, CoF 1-2, HotW 1, CoE full, Arah full.
- Fractals of the Mists: 30 ,40 ,50.
- Guild missions each Friday/Saturday.
Our recorded runs:
CM Path 3
Arah path 2
If you agree to the rules and meet the requirements then go to our recruitment page and fill the application form in the site so we can get information about you in order to sort the group compositions and tactics. We expect you to invest some time in your application form. For example, don’t answer “i’m full zerk meta” or “all builds from DnT/Metabattle”, it doesn’t give us any information because there can be few metas and depends on group composition. It shows your laziness which doesn’t give us a good impression. Answer and describe completely what the question asks. First impression is always important.
(edited by Draco.9480)
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You have to submit an application form so I can get more info about you.
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didn’t say solo, i said to be able to kill with the group without wiping/feeding.
[Dark] Draconic Brigade – Semi Hardcore PvE Guild
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/community/lookingfor/Draconic-Brigade-Semi-Hardcore-PvE-Guild/first#post4727968
our website: http://www.draconic-brigade.enjin.com
contact: Draco.9480
[Dark] Draconic Brigade – Semi Hardcore PvE Guild
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/community/lookingfor/Draconic-Brigade-Semi-Hardcore-PvE-Guild/first#post4727968
our website: http://www.draconic-brigade.enjin.com
contact: Draco.9480
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We’re a hardcore PvE guild that focuses on dungeons+fractals of the mists.. We’re 40+ members now and we’d like to recruit more experienced active pve players to expand our guild and do fast dungeon tours daily.
Our guild is located at Desolation server (EU).
The guild is an english speaking guild that accepts EU+SEA players.
We have a teamspeak server.
Goals:
- To avoid pugging because pugs give headache and brain damage. We want chilled runs without shouting and checking out everyone’s builds/gear/classes.
- To play together nicely and without worrying about hypocrite douchbags who gets offended because you’re trying to help ‘em to be better. In other words to avoid kicking and to be cooperative.
What we can offer:
- We have Guild Bounty+Trek+Rush.
- Meta builds on our site.
- Help at any sort of activity you need like tar, carry and etc.
- Leveling alts: We have no problem carrying people to level up their alts but only if they swap at end boss of the dungeon.
- Sometimes there are free paths.
- More experienced players who are willing to teach less experienced players.
Requirements & Rules:
- Knowledge about your main.
- You must have the ability to listen, cooperate and be patient even if it doesn’t look a good build/tactic. We don’t accept stubborn people who refuse to listen and stick to their box. Sometimes you must change the build for the specific dungeon which happens rarely.
- Experience in dungeons and especially Arah and Fractals.
- This is must be your main guild.
- You must be full berserker/assassin at least exotic+offensive runes/sigils on 2 classes minimum.
- You must have at least one character with 55 AR.
- You must bring potions/food with you in the runs. Usualy we use Plate of Stake and Asparagus, Plate of Orrian Stake Fritters and Slice of Candied Dragon Rolls as a food. We also use 7-10% slaying potions.
- You must have a TeamsSpeak client with a working headphones, at least to hear us out (microphone isn’t required).
- You must be online at least 4-5 days in the week and at least 4 hours a day.
- We don’t have problem if you PvP or WvW but when you do a run with the guild or doing any sort of PvE activity like dungeons/fractals/world bosses/open world you must represent the guild (90% representation time)
Trial – Whoever was accepted in the registration will be trialed on the following steps.
- To run a path of your choice at Arah with a party.
- Trio Lupicus.
- Run a full dungeon of your choice.
- Explain about boss mechanics.
Optional:
- We have no problem with dungeon sellers.
- We have no problem with people that make jokes but they must be serious in their gameplay.
What we ussualy do:
- We’re doing the Specific runs daily: AC full, CM full, TA fw/up, SE 1/3, CoF 1-2, CoE full, Arah 1-3.
- Fractals of the Mists: 30 ,40 ,50.
- Guild bounty+trek+rush each friday.
This our first record, not perfect but very well for recording starters. Arah p2 in 15 minutes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mb5lLigdFpw
Required Proffesions:
- Warrior – Phalanx Strength: To manage the banners and grant permament 25 might stacks.
- Elementalist – Staff: Tto grant a bit might, fury and nukes.
- Guardian – Meta: To defend the group and blind the enemies while dpsing the enemy in the dungeon.
- Thief – Meta: To stealth, defiance removal management and deliver high damage.
- Ranger – Meta: To boost the critical chance, damage, reflect, manage the pet and deliver decent burst damage.
- Mesmer – Meta: To manage the portals, defend the group like the guardian with reflects, stability and cleansing. Only if have any of the 5 classes above
If you agree to the rules and meet the requirements then visit the Recruitment page: http://draconic-brigade.enjin.com/recruitment and fill the application form in the site so we can get information about you in order to sort the group compositions and tactics. Just fyi, we expect you to invest some time in your application form and not just answer “i’m zerk meta on all character”. Answer and describe completely what the question asks. First impression is always important.
For more info contant me.
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22 members atm so bumping
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We’re young PvE guild that are looking for serious skilled players and doing all sorts of dungeons/fractal of the mists.
Our guild is based on Desolation server in EU.
We have teamspeak server.
We have no problem with dungeon sellers.
We have no problem carrying people to level up their alts but only if they swap at end boss of the dungeon.
We have no problem with people that make jokes but they must be serious in their gameplay.
We don’t accept stubborn people who refuse to listen and refuse to help their guild mates.
This is must be your main guild.
You must have the meta build and the build that benefits for the group for the specific dungeon.
You must be full berserker/assassin exotic at least and having basic offensive runes and sigils.
You must have experience in dungeons.
You must bring potions/food with you in the runs.
If you don’t know something we’ll teach you if you know something teach us!
We’re doing the Specific runs daily: AC full, CM full, TA fw/up, SE 1/3, CoF 1-2, HotW full, CoE full, Arah 1-3.
Fractals of the Mists: 10, 20, 30 ,40 ,50.
We don’t have problem if you PvP or WvW but when you do a run with the guild you must represent (80% of the time representation).
We’re not about being full hardcore strict guild but you must have the basics.
Our website to register to the guild: http://draconic-brigade.enjin.com/recruitment
For more information contact me in the game.
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It’s a visual bug that was bothering me and doesn’t look like a real skirt.
If I preview it on a female norm it’s valid but if on female human it clips on her legs and the sides are invalid.
See on the picture below.
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The guild is based on Desolation serverbut we also accept from EU servers.
We’re looking for serious skilled players and doing all sorts of dungeons/fractal of the mists.
We have teamspeak server.
We have no problem with dungeon sellers.
We have no problem carrying people to level up their alts but only if they swap at end boss of the dungeon.
We have no problem with people that make jokes but they must be serious in their gameplay.
We don’t accept stubborn people who refuse to listen, cooperate and refuse to help their guild mates.
This is must be your main guild.
You must have the meta build and the build that benefits for the group for the specific dungeon.
You must be full berserker/assassin exotic at least and having basic offensive runes and sigils.
You must have experience in dungeons.
You must bring potions/food with you in the runs.
If you don’t know something we’ll teach you if you know something teach us!
We’re doing the Specific runs daily: AC full, CM full, TA fw/up, SE 1/3, CoF 1-2, HotW full, CoE full, Arah 1-3.
Fractals of the Mists: 10, 20, 30, 40, 50.
We don’t have problem if you PvP or WvW but when you do a run with the guild you must represent.
80% of the time representation
We’re not about being full hardcore strict guild but you must have the basics.
Our website: http://draconic-brigade.enjin.com/
To join you must fill the application form here: http://draconic-brigade.enjin.com/recruitment
We have meta builds in our website for the guild members only, so they can raise alts and help in combo group.
For more info contact me: Draco.9480
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We’re young PvE guild that are looking for serious skilled players and doing all sorts of dungeons/fractal of the mists.
We have teamspeak server.
We have no problem with dungeon sellers.
We have no problem carrying people to level up their alts but only if they swap at end boss of the dungeon.
We have no problem with people that make jokes but they must be serious in their gameplay.
We don’t accept stubborn people who refuse to listen and refuse to help their guild mates.
This is must be your main guild.
You must have the meta build and the build that benefits for the group for the specific dungeon.
You must be full berserker/assassin exotic at least and having basic offensive runes and sigils.
You must have experience in dungeons.
You must bring potions/food with you in the runs.
If you don’t know something we’ll teach you if you know something teach us!
We’re doing the Specific runs daily: AC full, CM full, TA fw/up, SE 1/3, CoF 1-2, HotW full, CoE full, Arah 1-3.
Fractals of the Mists: 9, 19, 29, 38, 49 and higher is optional.
We don’t have problem if you PvP or WvW but when you do a run with the guild you must represent.
80% of the time representation
We’re not about being full hardcore strict guild but you must have the basics.
Our website: http://draconic-brigade.enjin.com/
To join you must fill the application form here: http://draconic-brigade.enjin.com/recruitment
We have meta builds in our website for the guild members only, so they can raise alts and help in combo group.
For more info contact me: Draco.9480
19 members atm so bump
We’re young PvE guild that is looking for serious skilled players and doing all sorts of dungeons/fractal of the mists.
We have TeamSpeak server and registration website.
We also have meta builds for all classes for member guilds in the website.
We have no problem with dungeon sellers and we’re willing to accept anyone that meet our requirements.
We have no problem carrying people to level up their alts but only if they swap at end boss fight in a dungeon.
We don’t accept stubborn people who refuse to listen and refuse to help their guild mates.
This is must be your main guild.
You must have the meta build and the build that benefits for the group for the specific dungeon.
You must be full berserker/assassin exotic at least and having basic offensive runes and sigils (force/accuracy/night/slaying and BL/Perception is optional).
You must have experience in dungeons.
You must bring potions/food with you in the runs.
If you don’t know something we’ll teach you if you know something teach us!
We’re doing the Specific runs daily: AC full, CM full, TA fw/up (optional: aether), SE 1/3, CoF 1-2, HotW full, CoE full, Arah 1-3 (4 is optional).
Fractals of the Mists: 10, 20, 30, 40 and higher is optional.
We don’t have problem if you PvP or WvW but when you do a run with the guild you must represent our guild.
We’re not about being full hardcore strict guild but you must have the basics and cooperate with us and have the ability to listen and learn things.
Also please fill the application form on the guild site:
http://draconic-brigade.enjin.com/recruitment
It’s not like I don’t have time it’s far more organized information for me.
It’s not being hard to get I need to know the people I’m running with.
For more info contact me: Draco.9480
We’re young PvE guild that is looking for serious skilled players and doing all sorts of dungeons/fractal of the mists.
We have TeamSpeak server and registration website.
We also have meta builds for all classes for member guilds in the website.
We have no problem with dungeon sellers and we’re willing to accept anyone that meet our requirements.
We have no problem carrying people to level up their alts but only if they swap at end boss fight in a dungeon.
We don’t accept stubborn people who refuse to listen and refuse to help their guild mates.
This is must be your main guild.
You must have the meta build and the build that benefits for the group for the specific dungeon.
You must be full berserker/assassin exotic at least and having basic offensive runes and sigils (force/accuracy/night/slaying and BL/Perception is optional).
You must have experience in dungeons.
You must bring potions/food with you in the runs.
If you don’t know something we’ll teach you if you know something teach us!
We’re doing the Specific runs daily: AC full, CM full, TA fw/up (optional: aether), SE 1/3, CoF 1-2, HotW full, CoE full, Arah 1-3 (4 is optional).
Fractals of the Mists: 10, 20, 30, 40 and higher is optional.
We don’t have problem if you PvP or WvW but when you do a run with the guild you must represent our guild.
We’re not about being full hardcore strict guild but you must have the basics and cooperate with us and have the ability to listen and learn things.
Also please fill the application form on the guild site:
http://draconic-brigade.enjin.com/recruitment
It’s not like I don’t have time it’s far more organized information for me.
It’s not being hard to get I need to know the people I’m running with.
For more info contact me: Draco.9480
We’re young PvE guild that is looking for serious skilled players and doing all sorts of dungeons/fractal of the mists.
We have TeamSpeak server and registration website.
We also have meta builds for all classes for member guilds in the website.
We have no problem with dungeon sellers and we’re willing to accept anyone that meet our requirements.
We have no problem carrying people to level up their alts but only if they swap at end boss fight in a dungeon.
We don’t accept stubborn people who refuse to listen and refuse to help their guild mates.
This is must be your main guild.
You must have the meta build and the build that benefits for the group for the specific dungeon.
You must be full berserker/assassin exotic at least and having basic offensive runes and sigils (force/accuracy/night/slaying and BL/Perception is optional).
You must have experience in dungeons.
You must bring potions/food with you in the runs.
If you don’t know something we’ll teach you if you know something teach us!
We’re doing the Specific runs daily: AC full, CM full, TA fw/up (optional: aether), SE 1/3, CoF 1-2, HotW full, CoE full, Arah 1-3 (4 is optional).
Fractals of the Mists: 10, 20, 30, 40 and higher is optional.
We don’t have problem if you PvP or WvW but when you do a run with the guild you must represent our guild.
We’re not about being full hardcore strict guild but you must have the basics and cooperate with us and have the ability to listen and learn things.
Also please fill the application form on the guild site:
http://draconic-brigade.enjin.com/recruitment
It’s not like I don’t have time it’s far more organized information for me.
It’s not being hard to get I need to know the people I’m running with.
For more info contact me: Draco.9480
No need to transfer you get everything as long as it’s EU.
We’re young PvE guild that is looking for serious skilled players and doing all sorts of dungeons/fractal of the mists.
We have TeamSpeak server and registration website.
We also have meta builds for all classes for member guilds in the website.
We have no problem with dungeon sellers and we’re willing to accept anyone that meet our requirements.
We have no problem carrying people to level up their alts but only if they swap at end boss fight in a dungeon.
We don’t accept stubborn people who refuse to listen and refuse to help their guild mates.
This is must be your main guild.
You must have the meta build and the build that benefits for the group for the specific dungeon.
You must be full berserker/assassin exotic at least and having basic offensive runes and sigils (force/accuracy/night/slaying and BL/Perception is optional).
You must have experience in dungeons.
You must bring potions/food with you in the runs.
If you don’t know something we’ll teach you if you know something teach us!
We’re doing the Specific runs daily: AC full, CM full, TA fw/up (optional: aether), SE 1/3, CoF 1-2, HotW full, CoE full, Arah 1-3 (4 is optional).
Fractals of the Mists: 10, 20, 30, 40 and higher is optional.
We don’t have problem if you PvP or WvW but when you do a run with the guild you must represent our guild.
We’re not about being full hardcore strict guild but you must have the basics and cooperate with us and have the ability to listen and learn things.
Also please fill the application form on the guild site:
http://draconic-brigade.enjin.com/recruitment
It’s not like I don’t have time it’s far more organized information for me.
It’s not being hard to get I need to know the people I’m running with.
For more info contact me: Draco.9480
We’re young PvE guild that is looking for serious skilled players and doing all sorts of dungeons/fractal of the mists.
We have TeamSpeak server and registration website.
We also have meta builds for all classes for member guilds in the website.
We have no problem with dungeon sellers and we’re willing to accept anyone that meet our requirements.
We have no problem carrying people to level up their alts but only if they swap at end boss fight in a dungeon.
We don’t accept stubborn people who refuse to listen and refuse to help their guild mates.
This is must be your main guild.
You must have the meta build and the build that benefits for the group for the specific dungeon.
You must be full berserker/assassin exotic at least and having basic offensive runes and sigils (force/accuracy/night/slaying and BL/Perception is optional).
You must have experience in dungeons.
You must bring potions/food with you in the runs.
If you don’t know something we’ll teach you if you know something teach us!
We’re doing the Specific runs daily: AC full, CM full, TA fw/up (optional: aether), SE 1/3, CoF 1-2, HotW full, CoE full, Arah 1-3 (4 is optional).
Fractals of the Mists: 10, 20, 30, 40 and higher is optional.
We don’t have problem if you PvP or WvW but when you do a run with the guild you must represent our guild.
We’re not about being full hardcore strict guild but you must have the basics and cooperate with us and have the ability to listen and learn things.
Also please fill the application form on the guild site:
http://draconic-brigade.enjin.com/recruitment
It’s not like I don’t have time it’s far more organized information for me.
It’s not being hard to get I need to know the people I’m running with.
For more info contact me: Draco.9480
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we’re 17 members now
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We’re young PvE guild that is looking for serious skilled players and doing all sorts of dungeons/fractal of the mists.
We have TeamSpeak server and registration website.
We also have meta builds for all classes for member guilds in the website.
We have no problem with dungeon sellers and we’re willing to accept anyone that meet our requirements.
We have no problem carrying people to level up their alts but only if they swap at end boss fight in a dungeon.
We don’t accept stubborn people who refuse to listen and refuse to help their guild mates.
This is must be your main guild.
You must have the meta build and the build that benefits for the group for the specific dungeon.
You must be full berserker/assassin exotic at least and having basic offensive runes and sigils (force/accuracy/night/slaying and BL/Perception is optional).
You must have experience in dungeons.
You must bring potions/food with you in the runs.
If you don’t know something we’ll teach you if you know something teach us!
We’re doing the Specific runs daily: AC full, CM full, TA fw/up (optional: aether), SE 1/3, CoF 1-2, HotW full, CoE full, Arah 1-3 (4 is optional).
Fractals of the Mists: 10, 20, 30, 40 and higher is optional.
We don’t have problem if you PvP or WvW but when you do a run with the guild you must represent our guild.
We’re not about being full hardcore strict guild but you must have the basics and cooperate with us and have the ability to listen and learn things.
Also please fill the application form on the guild site:
http://draconic-brigade.enjin.com/recruitment
It’s not like I don’t have time it’s far more organized information for me.
It’s not being hard to get I need to know the people I’m running with.
For more info contact me: Draco.9480
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1. doesn’t look impossible because dagger is small but I’d like to.
2. didn’t understand that part
3. YES YES YES! (In Soul Reaping the most I think)
4. YES
5. YES YES
5. YES and also remove the self bleeding because it’s kind stupid. warriors got for great justice 3 might 25 sec and fury 8 sec and its cd is 25 sec. Necromancer got 10 might for around 10 seconds? and no fury and its cd is 30 sec and it gets self bleeding.
technically I agree with everything.
can’t find apply button
the idea is to be in motion with stack and spread, stack and spread, dodge dodge and wipe! hardcore boss!
the thing is the map is flat with no stones you can stand on that they’ll save you, just dodge+heal
For Anet if they’ll make a new dungeon in a new map so here’s an idea from me, hope you’ll like it.
Boss name:
Salamander the Quaker
Form- Humanoid Drake/Lizard with 2 horns. Always shows his fangs, he has sharp claws from his fingers (hands + legs). Strong classic lizard tail.
Size- Lupicus’s Size and standing like Lupicus but more stable and beast like.
Boons: permanent Stability(No cc or any kind of condition cc like fear, immobilize, chill and cripple affect the boss) impenetrable Scales (Immune to vulnerability condition), Lizard Regeneration (regenerates 1% health each 1 second) – those boons are
permanent and can’t be removed.
Whatever says percent (%) means it ignores any kind of protection or invulnerability.
Attacks:
Slash- Moderate damage cleave attack. damage 50% of hp can be divided by 2+ people standing in single Slash, for example if 2 people get hit in same attack in the same time near to each other they both get 25% if 3 so 16,66% 4 12,5% and so on. 200
range distance. CD 5 seconds
Tail Swipe- Moderate damage cleave attack. Damage 8000 can be divided as well. 400 distance range. CD 10 seconds
Crunch – Bites single target 3 times damage:10% hp of character each hit(30%) CD 12 seconds. 200 range distance
Ground Spike- While he casts random aoe circles pop up on the ground 2500 distance radius from the boss, popping red circles for 150 range radius takes 1 second to make a spike and damage the player if hits then the damage is 5000 CD 30 seconds
Dig – digs like a dredge and chooses one player randomly hitting with his claws and knockdown the player for 3 seconds. hits for 7000 damage, can’t be blocked. CD 10 seconds.
Bullet Punch – Charges a punch for 2 seconds and knockback a player 1000 range distance, hits for 3000 damage. CD 15 seconds
Shockwave – chooses random player to attack sending 2 shockwaves 1 after another deals 4000 damage each, it’s also AoEs who stands in the same line. player has to dodge twice to dodge the whole shockwave. CD is 9 seconds.
First Phase: uses Slash, Tail Swipe, Crunch and Dig.
Second Phase (50% HP): Uses Tail Swipe, Shockwave, Bullet Punch and Ground Spike.
I don’t want it a world boss or any kind of living story crap. I want it to be in a new dungeon which grants ascended armor or put it in a raid of 10-20 people.
I sell Arah p1+2 for long and got merged 3 times in my whole selling that destroyed my instance and 3 buyers already paid me and I had to resend the gold back because of some jelly white knight kitten likes to destroy sellers or just joining without reading and starting clicking whatever they can thinking they can get anything.
I’m really furious with the merge button. Please remove make sure whenever I post whoever joins or me will never have the option to click Join/Merge on other posts.
I get nervous at selling p1, because usually people merged me in that path. And the first time I was able to solo p1 and wanted to sell it 2 dudes joined and kicked and then my instance was destroyed. I was so angry that I spent 2 hours on figuring out myself how to solo this path and gained nothing but waste of time.