Guild Wars 2

From my perspective as a druid playing a dedicated healer in one of the main European GvG guilds and from my perspective as an active WvW player healing as a druid in large scale battles, the change to our Avatar’s cooldown is a step back in the wrong direction.

The amount of damage we have to deal with is already superior to what PvE players have to deal with in most raid wings… and it’s not scripted in the same predictable way. I don’t get why we should be gated behind an increased cooldown while our avatar’s uptime may be more critical than in any other game mode. Every single second counts and this change is hurting us.

From what I understood, the main issues with a 10 seconds cooldown were:
1) Small scale battles in WvW and PvP with good damage and healing on the same class
2) Break stun, full condition clean, stealth and superspeed on a potential 10 seconds cooldown (Druidic Clarity & Celestial Shadow)

I do agree that both these issues needed to be addressed but increasing our Avatar’s cooldown wasn’t the smartest way to fix it.

Regarding small scale battles, it could have been fixed thanks to the change to healing power’s contribution and base healing rebalancing on spells. I don’t think more was needed except maybe a sharper number tweaking. After all, if you want to heal you should have to invest in it.

Regarding Druidic Clarity and Celestial Shadow uptimes, increasing Avatar’s cooldown is NOT the answer. Some of your Majors already have a different cooldown than their triggers. Adding an increased cooldown on both Majors would have been a better way to address the issue.

To ArenaNet:
You should pay more attention to what’s happening in WvW and how your changes are impacting some classes in this game mode. You should also pay more attention to GvG even if it’s not an official game mode. Just for your information, a GvG tournament is currently being held in Europe. It’s attracting quite some viewers on Twitch without being promoted in-game during loading screens

Of course, we can still play in the Guild Hall’s arena where PvE rules apply (10 seconds CD on Avatar)…

PS: WTB hp bars above my squad members head in Guild Hall’s arena.

According to the poll results, server linking would be reevaluated every month.

What about the people who migrated to our linked server so that they could join our guild because our current server is “full”? Are they supposed to pay for a migration every month?

@OP: Like I said on your reddit post. Yes we need a stat to reduce condition damage, but +toughness may be a better choice than +healing.

No, we don’t need more condition damage buff. The lack of control on condition damage is currently harming WvW and GvG. It’s so powerful that condition and boon share pickup blobs are even a thing now lol.

In my opinion, WvW and GvG need:
- a stat which would significantly decrease condition damage (+toughness)
- a rework of the resistance boon (no more immunity, just decrease condition duration by x%)
- a rework of the way boons stack in duration through boon share (mainly for resistance and celerity)
- a Rite of the Great Dwarf nerf (either through a cooldown or a decrease in the damage reduction amount) – obviously not related to condition damage but still a problem

Blackarps.1974:

If the raid is more about blob fighting that night, we will buff up the condi clears and waters to adapt..

Cleanse aren’t enough with the current condi spam meta.
It takes way more than a druid and an elem
PS: I play both classes in WvW and GvG

Yep, this bug is very annoying. The squad UI doesn’t help much when it comes to ground targeted heals (squad UI would have been good if we had single target heals, health bars below nameplates are required for ground targeted heals because you have to quickly check where are your most hurt allies).

If it’s already annoying in raids (which is a scripted environment with only 10 players), just imagine playing a druid in WvW with 50 players pretty much everywhere. This bug currently makes it unplayable.

It has been reported here on the forum, here on reddit, also here on reddit and in various other reddit threads.

Still no news from ANet.

shadow.6174:

Well, now I see another problem that ppl have reported somewhere. When having it to Show All Player Names I see their nameplate, but the health bar is only visible if I hover them :S

Yep, it has been reported here on the forum, here on reddit, also here on reddit and in various other reddit threads.

Being able to see all health bars is very important in both Raids and WvW. Druids is the most affected specialization (ground targeted heals). Squad UI doesn’t really help.

Still no news from ANet.

Looks like someone also reported this issue on reddit.

I’m also with you on this, it’s great to see some WvW love. The reward tracks, the stability change and many fixes to WvW are great. I can’t wait for the population balance.

But I still have problems with condition damage being out of control, the DBL (which is in a better state but still hard to navigate) and this new annoying squad UI bug.
Hopefully it’s on the table

Since the April patch, you can’t see health bars above squad members (nameplates) anymore. In order to display it, you have to mouseover a squad member (or 15-50 squad members to find where you should ground target your next heal).

I don’t know if it’s an intended feature or a bug but it makes druid, and possibly other support specializations, hardly playable in WvW. If it’s intended, it makes no sense, while “ground target healing” you need a way to read who needs HP back fast and where, at least add an option to toggle it on and off.

Well… If you were roaming on a DBL map, chances are you may be the only player they have seen in hours ^^

Tragic Positive.9356:

Can anyone please explain to me who is going to use the glyphs in this form?

I only play WvW (scrim/gvg) and I do use 3 or 4 of them depending on my build.
- Glyph of Rejuvenation is a great emergency heal both in and out of CAF
- Glyph of Alignment in CAF is one of our strongest burst heal
- Glyph of Equality in CAF saves life if you pay enough attention to stun break your teammates when they are stuck in a bomb
- Glyph of the Tides in CAF has some use to stack/restack enemies in a bomb

I don’t know about Unity and Empowerment, I don’t PvE :/

On another hand, I’m more concerned by our CAF resource generation (a 120 rejuv tick generating as much as a 5000 heal, wtf?) and starting some fights with 0% AF (no out of combat regeneration, wtf?).

Chris Cleary.8017:

A good example of this in action would be this:
Currently many states (in the US) consider any theft over $500 to be a felony. Back in 1916, a theft was considered a felony at ~$20.

Oh good to know. So back in 1916, GW2 would have been considered a felony?

WvW player here. Couldn’t resist.

Crapgame.6519:

Earix.5684:

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Currently, I don’t even invest in Power, Precision or Ferocity anymore. I would never trade my +1525 healing +50% heal efficiency and extra survivability for +150 dmg per staff hit ;)

I also find that true with P, P, and F. Although if solo I’d probably sport those stats.

BTW – how in the heck are you managing 1500+ healing power and heal efficiency?

With a full ascended nomad/minstrel mix, healing infusions, 10 Natural Mender stacks, Superior Sigil of Transference, Superior Runes of the Monk, Delicious Rice Balls and Furious Tuning Crystals.

anduriell.6280:

Guys power with the staff is really cringeworthy.
Why don’t go full condi? Dire for tanky or Rabid to more glassy is fun. You can get some bleeds in there with a condi weapon, and even with the staff you can do some damage.

I think the druid should focus in conditions because the power damage is really bad iif you go for staff.
And it doesn’t worth to invest in healing at the moment.

I kinda agree with the first sentence. Power doesn’t scale well with staff. I wouldn’t invest more than 1800 in this stat. After this value, I would rather add crit chance and crit damage (gear could be a mix of crusader and celestial for the extra stat values).

I strongly disagree with the last sentence. If you wanna play GvG (the OP asked for GvG builds), healing and heal efficiency on allies are great stats. There is a significant difference in value healed between a +750 healing and a +1500 healing set. There is also a significant difference between +20% heal efficiency and +50% heal efficiency on allies.
Currently, I don’t even invest in Power, Precision or Ferocity anymore. I would never trade my +1525 healing +50% heal efficiency and extra survivability for +150 dmg per staff hit ;)

@Caliburn: I do play druid on EU with way more than 125 scrim rounds since xpac ;)

We are still testing stuff and recruiting for our new roster but so far we have had good results. I play with minstrel/nomad gear (self buffed: 1525 healing, 50% healing eff., 3k4 armor, 23k hp, 37% boon duration – for regens / caf generation contribution), with 3 or 4 glyphs equipped, in the commander’s group and close to the frontline.
I’m currently the only druid in my guild group but we did try it with two in open field (T1) and it felt like “god mode”. Your melee train can litterally sit in a bomb and constantly push the enemy lines. The damage you lose from including a full healing class is counter-balanced by the increased uptime your guild group gains on the enemy.

The thing is, I have seen almost nobody play druid to its full potential. Most of the druid I have seen are just using CAF #3 on cooldown from max range and that’s it.
Tips: CAF #1 + quickness is underrated, CAF #2 is underrated, CAF #4 has to be precalled on vocal, glyphs are one of our best tools, time in CAF has to be managed carefully, while out of CAF generating enough resource before the 10 sec CD is your priority.

PS: elem used to be my main, but my guild don’t want to play without a druid anymore ;)

Bishop.5938:

What was A-Nets reason for changing the reset?

Druids were charging their astral bar too fast on friday.

If you wanna try, I can PM you my WvW build (staff/staff, 1525 healing, 24k hp, 3k4 armor, max Astral Focus generation – you hit the 10 sec CD everytime, no damage stat).
It has been designed mainly for outnumbered fights with a 15-20 guild group.

FrouFrou.4958:

Justine.6351:

I’m still happy with druid, maybe I am broken ;-(

Same, I’m the happiest I have ever been! Sure there are things that are wonky/bugged/I wish they would do X instead of Y but I’m not going to slit my wrists over it. I also find it funny you can’t say a single positive comment about Hot/Druid without getting labelled as a white knight and stoned to death.

Being happy doesn’t mean that the specialization is fine.

I’m also happy but not blinded. I mainly play WvW in a 15 or 20 format (GvG or GvZerg) and here, you can see most of the current druid problems:
- Generation being based on ticks instead of value healed + no generation on full HP targets + burst healing skills (required in WvW) = broken generation model
- No out-of-combat natural AF generation + no way to precharge it out-of-combat + respawn with 0 AF (while you get full AF in sPvP?!) = broken resource mechanic

Keep in mind that in WvW (with a 15/20 group) you have to heal fast, for big and as soon as the fight begins. You can’t start the fight with 0 AF. You have to top your teammates’ health fast. I’m still happy because it’s “playable” with workarounds but also unhappy because of how broken the resource mechanic is.

Anyway, adding a 5% per sec AF generation while out of combat would be a step towards something less broken (20 sec to full). Even a 2.5% would be fine (40 sec to full).

Next step would be: transforming the generation model from per tick to per value.

Now that we have to play druid with this poorly thought resource model, at least let’s make it right. Silence or delusion won’t help.

I have been playing healer for 17 years in a lot of different MMOs. It’s the first time I see such a badly built resource system on a healer. They got it right in their previous game, how can they be so wrong in this one?

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

Ah, you’re one of those who think HoT failed hard. Cool, saves me typing

Reading would have saved you more typing, unless your purpose is to troll

WvW new borderlands, druid’s AF tweaking and “class balance” post-HoT failed pretty hard. I actually enjoyed HoT, the new maps, the story (most of it, the ending felt rushed) and raids look good for the PvE community.

It might help you:
http://dtguilds.com/forum/m/6563292/viewthread/25103218-dnt-healer-druid-build-for-raids-nov-2015

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

This is why the devs post things much more on reddit rather than this forum…

You guys just CANT stop complaining for everything. EVERY single thing.

The ranger class is in better spot now than what it ever was since the beginning of the game 3 years ago. MUCH better. It’s a viable and much desirable class in all 3 game modes.

PS: AF generation is not broken. You just don’t like it so you call it broken. Broken was to stand in front of 5 afk people, click #6 and get full AF in the next 3 secs.

PS2: You don’t have to “keep on losing a utility slot”, where did you get that?

PS3: You don’t have to take beastmastery. In fact beastmastery is only mandatory in the PvP cele druid build. Raid druids don’t even touch it.

Greetings ANet’sFanboy.#2860,
1) Reddit gets as much complaining as this forum, check the comments
2) Most of the current complaining on every topic is legit, they failed hard
3) Druid is not 3 years old, and the specialization is not fine
4) AF generation is broken because of its per tick model
5) No out-of-combat AF generation is a pain in WvW/GvG/Scrims
6) Don’t assume that everything is about raids (where AF is fine)
7) I won’t explain the utility & beastmastery part, fast way to generate AF
Have a nice day.

That’s the way I read the dev’s post, feel free to read it differently.

I do want to reinforce – we absolutely plan to do a major quarterly balance updates every 3 months (with a short period after each update to make small tweaks before the next PvP league season begins). The next one is due to arrive after this current PvP season ends.

There are loads of reasons why HoT was considered for us the first big balance update (and the month that followed it) for this PvP League and we couldn’t do any more balance updates before this one, but the reality is none of them really matter since they are just words. What you all care about is action.

As we’ve said before: in 2016 we’ll do one major balance update every 3 months; shortly the balance team will start discussing with you the next big balance update for early 2016 with everyone to gather feedback; and hopefully in the future action will reinforce expectations.

I realize it’s not the immediate answer everyone wants to hear this second, but it’s the realistic one of where we are today – and where we will be when 2016 starts. I’m not entirely sure why this wasn’t clear before now, and I’ll try and get to the bottom of why that messaging wasn’t provided, but that’s exactly where we stand today.

Balance is super important in a world where WvW, Raids, Fractals, PvP, etc. are key components to Gw2’s success. And ensuring we have a new major balance update you can count on every 3 months is one of our keys to accomplishing that goal.

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/3v0x29/how_do_anet_expect_us_to_take_pvp_seriously_when/cxk2yny

How I read it:
- Druids’ AF generation will remain broken till early 2016
- I will have to keep on losing a utility slot and having beastmastery just to ensure enough AF generation to hit the 10 sec cooldown while in combat till hopefully early 2016
- I will have to keep on asking for a suicide before every sanctum/arena GvG/Scrim round to be able to charge my AF till hopefully early 2016 (because still no OOC AF generation)
- But I should rejoice! Someone is about to gather some precious feedbacks

Wondrouswall.7169:

Aidenwolf.5964:

Not mine but it demonstrates my point. I used staff and Apothecary gear. The auras are good though aren’t they?

Indeed. I’ll try and get an apothecary set for my Tempest to try this out. You have my interest piqued.

Before buying an Apothecary set, you should know that the Elementalist in this video is running Dagger/Warhorn with a Zealot set (it’s currently one of the best weapon/stat combination for a raid healer tempest).

The OP plays Apothecary with Staff which is, in my opinion, the worst combination. I main Elementalist in PvE and I wouldn’t recommend it. It might work if you sit in water, spam heal and don’t care about damage, but even for this, there are better stat choices.

Yes, auras are great. Both druid and tempest can main heal the current raid wing. But Apothecary + Staff is a mistake. If the OP enjoys it, fine for him but don’t be misled ;)

PS: This thread should be moved to the Elementalist forum

Aidenwolf.5964:

Earix.5684:

Staff might be the worst weapon for that kind of build. You should try dagger/warhorn if you wanna run condi / heal / boon share ;)

You would be correct if it wasn’t for water 1 and if I wasn’t main healing.

Deleted my post cause it’s not an elementalist forum.

Anyway, if you only heal, staff is better. If you condi / heal / boon share, dagger/warhorn is waaay better with your gear. I guess it depends on how good your raid is at avoiding obvious damage ;)

Back to the topic, druid needs a lot of work. I hope they will listen and fix their mistakes.

It could be that they have to remain silent till the next big balance patch.

Anyway, does it really matter? Good feedbacks were given and they didn’t listen. Last patch broke the specialization in PvP and WvW. I mean, it was ok to fix it but not without a change to in-combat AF generation (generation per value instead of per tick required here) and a natural out-of-combat AF generation (5% per sec could have been fine).
The druid’s current situation is ridiculous.

Burst heal… lol jk :/

Gaile Gray.6029:

Hey all,

Just a note to say that we’ve disabled one of the hero points in Auric Basin for a little while to allow the team to fix an exploit with—of all things—poisoned bacon. :)

The devs will get a fix in very soon and you’ll soon be able to acquire that hero point soon.

Thanks for your understanding.

OnionXI.6735:

Druids were using it to gain astral force

I kid

Nice one OnionXI ;)

RNGesus must be a WvW player. Got mine in Eternal Battlegrounds near Stonemist Castle ;)

Baest.4061:

hm oke, but i think its still playeble
in spvp i play condi regen ranger (no druid)

Ok, it explains a lot

OGDeadHead.8326:

20 seconds cd is too much.

I’m pretty sure he meant “10 sec CD”, cause anything above is the death of healing druid.

Baest.4061:

Hax.8701:

Druid: Astral Force is no longer gained when healing a target that is already at full health

Please this is so ridiculous and unneeded.

sounds logic no? how can u heal a target who cannot be healed because there is nothing to heal so nothing to gain?
….

Of course, it does. But this bug was the only thing which made this broken mechanic almost playable… Now, it’s just broken and it needs some SERIOUS work.

After a few days, this change is even dumber than expected… Seriously who the kitten came up with this idea?

When you respawn in WvW, you begin with an empty AF bar. Good luck charging it… Currently my raid has to wait for me before leaving our spawn. Just picture it: 20-25 players waiting for a druid, who is next to them fighting a random Pig to charge his AF.

Get downed with 90% AF, rally with 0% AF. kthx.

A few players are at 80% HP… Heal them to full? NO! Just use you staff 1 spam or else you won’t generate AF. Ye, right ANet… Less hp healed = more AF generated, so smart.

This change is kittened up in so many ways…

Let us:
- Slowly generate AF while out of combat (5% per sec)
- Generate AF per value healed/damaged instead of per hit/tick count
- Keep our(/some) AF on rally
Then, this “fix” might be acceptable.

@Zatoichi: this trait will most likely be nerfed anyway.

Zatoichi.1049:

I will give them another week or so to fix this, or at the very least iron out the creases. If they do not, i will be contacting anet about a refund/change on my set of ascendeed minstrel armor and weapons.

I might also end up contacting them for a refund/change on my ascended minstrel and zealot WvW sets.

I didn’t, but it’s actually a good idea! Thanks. I might do it too.

It’s dumb, undeserved… but so are most of the druid nerfs.

Ardenwolfe.8590:

Who in their right mind allows only one beta test on a class before releasing an “expansion” on the playing customers?

A company driven by its marketing department.

cafard.8953:

I can picture the map chat from here now: “DON’T KILL THE SENTRY!!! WE NEED IT TO CHARGE UP AF!!!”.

That’s exactly what I will have to do this evening. My raid will love it…

Gonna quote the beginning of Eirh’s reddit post, it made my day:

So in todays episode of “Throw kitten against the wall, until something sticks” approach to Druid balance we now got…

SoftLight.2175:

anet do you plan on some necro changes like.. “you only gain lifeforce while attacking a target that is full health”? just so i know if i can safely reroll back to my necro without wasting time on theorycrafting setups for our raid and whatsoever… just pls lemme know. like was allway talking nicely about your work lately but this thing right now is the first time i regret buying the addon to be honest…

At least you only theorycrafted.

I made the mistake to apply my theorycrafting and tweak it after every nerf/change. I crafted and switched stats on ascended gold sink 6 times since druid release. I’m done and I should get an achievement for it: “Deep kittened by ANet” – 10 AP.

It’s pretty clear by now that you don’t know where the kitten you are going with the druid…

Just remove Astral Focus, keep Celestial Form on a cooldown and call it a day.

PS: I’m done spending money twice a week on your fails.

Smart decision, thanks Irenio.

Eurantien.4632:

Daharahj.1325:

I don’t know who this Eurantien guy is but I already hate him.

Just wait till they fix the Celestial Avatar bugs I submitted.

Which one did you submit?

LughLongArm.5460:

Firelysm.4967:

LughLongArm.5460:

Firelysm.4967:

Eurantien.4632:

For the general population smoke assault on F2 is the better decision. For top tier PvP either is situational. It is a real shame we can’t control every pet skill.

Exactly opposite, F2 smoke field you meant to say, while majority even expressed that in poll.

He meant to say exactly what he said , and Eura is actually the creator of this thread and top level PvP player, So this coming from him says a lot.

Hi my friend, i couldn’t care less who he is:)
And he said something that did not meet the data that is shown in F2 changes poll, and did not meet the suggestion of people that were actually playing pvp with me or against me. So where is that “general population”, your personal opinion? That’s not general population and it doesn’t matter who you are ROFL.

It’s pointless to argue with clueless people :) Every one that knows what’s up with Smoke & assault changes can only laugh in comments like this.

“If he’s that person, he’s probably right..”
Most stupid kitten you can read on forum.

Dud, I couldn’t care less what you couldn’t care less about.

Tragic , spare your efforts on this guy. I think that by this time devs got all the info they need/want about this subject and will take actions acordinly.
Every known and respectable member of this forum regardless to his opinion on this matter, understands the trade-off and apriciates the fact that “play around” methods are not nearly as good as having a skill on F2.
This guy, no clue where he came from, will most likly get skimmed and ignored by everyone that matters, you should do the same.

You are right, devs should have all the info by now. They are the only people who matter in the final decision. Being smart, they listen to the whole community, then decide ;)

Some will be unhappy with the decision, having control over a skill is always better than having it on auto-cast (everybody understand that, not just the “known and respectable members of this forum”). That’s pure logic.
Still, the situation is worse if Smoke Field is the one on auto-cast. There are more people who want it reverted back to F2, more PROs to it and great arguments have been provided. There are even posts which summarize the PROs and CONs of both solutions quite well.

On a side note, relevancy isn’t measured by a post count (and if it were to be, his post count is close to yours), or being part of a PvP team, or streaming on Twitch.

BassHunteR.7246:

There is a plan to implenent it on wvw (in the next expansion)
Just sit back and wait.
When?? SOON

When?? SOON It’s on the table®

Holland.9351:

I’m not going to heal anyone until I can see their health bars. I’m not just randomly going to throw around some AoE heals in the hope that maybe someone needs it.

Yup, it sucks right now. I had a chance to test with the squad UI during beta. In WvW it was great, you could see the nameplates over every player in your squad.

Right now, you have to predict incoming damage and mouseover your teammates. It sucks but is still quite enjoyable/“playable” imo.

Chimp.7946:

Earix.5684:

Yes, I don’t get many bags but I don’t really care.

This is a HUGE issue for many and to be honest, one of the WORST designs for WWW content. Some classes and builds are just hugely penalized. That anyone in the raid,group tags is enough is just completely lack of understanding, imho. It makes me so angry, how they could have done it like this, I cant type anymore.

I can understand this.
I must also admit that while I don’t care about bags in WvW, PvE is whole different story. I have been leveling my masteries in HoT lately and I would rather tag as many npcs and totally avoid healing even if people have to die in the process :/

Draeyon.4392:

Question! Why does the Smoke Assault need to do less damage if it swaps back with the Smoke field? Wasn’t is already nerfed by 50%?

Oh and I support the field on F2.

Because people are still whining about its damage in PvP even post-nerf (mainly due to the easy mode might stacking which will end up being nerfed anyway).
I guess that mentioning a possible swap back to smoke field represented a good way for ANet to justify another nerf (we give you this back, but we have to take that in return).

Still, smoke field was a better F2.
Automatic overlapping smoke field is an awful design decision.

Dawdler.8521:

In WvW its unfortunetly DOA. The staff has good utility but as a weapon its godawful. You will be lucky to get a couple of lootbags when you wipe 50 man. The glyphs being very short range pbaoe means the only way to use them is rushing straight in and the druid doesnt really have the survivability for that. Its also really lacking a constant AoE heal. Guardian and elementalist healer beat it IMO while offering just as good utility in zerg warfare.

Druid is not D.O.A. in WvW. I’m playing Druid on a T1 server, mainly in a Guild group (LAYS) but we have also been hosting PUG lately due to low WvW population post-HoT.

Even if post-beta nerfs hurt a lot and some of its utilities were removed (CAF CD, CAF duration, AF generation, smokecloud’s F2 swap), Druid is still a great asset to a WvW team. When we play as a guild, I’m always in the commander’s group. They don’t want me to play on my elem anymore

Currently, it’s in my opinion the best WvW healer. You can keep alive your whole Guild group even if you are the only healer and the only water field provider. Druid brings huge burst heals, constant water fields, a kitten load of AE-Interrupts, dispels (both offensive and defensive). Yes, I don’t get many bags but I don’t really care.

As of survivability while being in glyph range, I have no problem at all. I stick to the commander and melee train without any issue. I almost never die.

The equipment I have tested so far :
- Full ascended nomad, Staff / Staff
- Mix of ascended Zealot and Nomad, Staff / Staff (wanted to try with more damage, staff’s damage just scales poorly)
- Mix of ascended Minstrel and Nomad, Staff / Staff (what I’m currently playing)

If you like healing, you should give it a try. Just be prepared to constantly hit the CAF CD and go mad about it

LughLongArm.5460:

Obviously, you are not a very mature judging by your “LoL” adding to every sentence.
Probably also not suited to appreciate a valid argument.
But its all good, its not you I’m trying to convince, you are actually very much irrelevant.
I’m here just to give A.net the support to maintain the situation as it is , you are the one trying to change it so the convincing and making good arguments is on you.
So by all means, go back to the game and enjoy your tamed smokescale with assault on F2.

“lol” = it made me laugh because the end of your post was ridiculous. “There are top PvP players, twitch* streamers and most veteran rangers to back me up”. You are embarrassing yourself here.

We (in favor of the reversal) have already provided good arguments. Even Irinio has agreed to investigate this. All you are saying is: “there is no debate I and a lot of top well known players (who are they again?) are supporting Smoke Assault on F2, so we must be right”. Then you say “The End.”

lol.

LughLongArm.5460:

Players that claim otherwise are welcome to “control” smoke field not on F2 with the same methods they ask as to control assault.

Please go tame a smokescale and come again in this thread. Your post only shows that you have NO clue how it works.

LughLongArm.5460:

The drama was created by players asking for the roll-back, creating this topic 5 min after the patch released, probably before even giving the new version a try. The other players that liked the change only started to react only after Irenio CalmonHuang said he will look into it, getting overwhelmed by the amount “drama”.

That’s your opinion and again, very wrong.

LughLongArm.5460:

Among the players the supporting assault staying on F2 are some the most veterans rangers on this forum, top pvp players and twich streamers, I’m sure they have a very wide view of the ranger profession.

LOL, worst argument ever. Who are the most veteran rangers? We all started on headstart. But obviously some learnt more from the game that others #teamsmokefield. You might consider spending less time on this forum and playing more Guild Wars 2.
Top PvP players? Ranger? Really? Who? lol
Twitch streamers? Was it some cleavage on cam? Seems like a huge… expert lol

This thread is getting more and more ridiculous.
I know you don’t want to lose your might stacking exploit but come on lol

Tragic Positive.9356:

Earix.5684:

Tragic Positive.9356:

If you meant PvP – even druid overwrites the fields. And he is wanted in the party.

Druid overwrites fields ? NO, druid provides water field on-demand. That’s the difference here. Smoke field has to be on-demand.

Druid uses Glyphs that overwrite fields if you use Verdant Etching (which most people do). See? You spoil your own fields.
Or do you want to tell me that water field is better defense than 4sec AoE daze or AoE knockback? (In case you say “don’t use Glyphs when they attack you and you need to heal”)

Same scenario. You have 1 field you want (water) and other random mechanic spoils it without you wanting it (light from seeds). And no one cares.
You don’t have people saying “Omg he spawned a light field! Let’s proc retal from it everybody!”.
It’s PvP. 90% of team-fight combos are random. Self-using or duels are completely different and are not a subject for balance.

Mainly talking about WvW but still. Glyphs are on-demand, it’s not like if Verdant Etching was some random proc.

People do care in WvW, at least in guild groups. Water fields are not only blasted on repacks, some teams will play with it aggressively. Cover it and you will actually hear people yelling.

The game mixes PvP (sPvP, WvW, GvG) and PvE (solo, dungeons, fractals, events, raids), you have to think global when you adress that kind of matter.

Tragic Positive.9356:

If you meant PvP – even druid overwrites the fields. And he is wanted in the party.

Druid overwrites fields ? NO, druid provides water field on-demand. That’s the difference here. Smoke field has to be on-demand.