Guild Wars 2

Those that are interfering aren’t there to watch anyways. Not matter what pointless rules you make that will waste everyone’s time. You’re trying to apply rules to people who wont follow them anyways. It’s a WvW zone people will interfere(though I wouldn’t call it that being that it is a wvw zone, so you can’t really call it that.) whether it is intended or not. Deal with it and move on. People attack the other server because they are red that’s how it isn’t. You aren’t in some instanced magical safe zone.

saiyr.3071:

Vanz.5976:

tsubus.8761:

The biggest thing that bothers me is guilds that are registered to gw2gvg.com, but only accept challenges from guilds they’re sure to beat. That’s just illogical, the challenge is the whole point of a GvG, I could not care less about the rating itself honestly. There is no fun in running over guilds that pose no resistance, I’d rather lose to a good guild.
Also, the rating system makes it so that if you lose to a guild with a much higher rating, you don’t lose that many points. This should be regulated by penalizing guilds that don’t accept challenges (for example, first challenge refused=nothing happens, starting from the next refusal to that same guild within a certain timeframe, the rating of the refusing guild starts to drop, and it does so exponentially for each refusal).

Just my 2 cents.

Prime Radese

This is a legitimate concern. Each Friday as the Match reset happens, we contact all guilds listed as available to organise the weeks GvG’s. The first response is generally “What guild are you from?”. Upon answering it’s a case of “No” for reasons such as “we don’t have enough players” or “key players are on holiday”.

It’s a kick in the teeth to see these guilds running with 30 odd in WvW and GvGing other guilds in the same week they’ve refused you. Starter guilds seem more eager to learn than mid/high table guys are willing to risk their precious points. (IMO these practice/non-official matches that go on are a joke)

Are we approaching a situation where the higher up you go on Gw2GvG the less likely you are to get matches?

I am missing something. Why are practice matches a joke? Honestly GvG for me is all about practice and good fights. Ranking is pretty irrelevant on the website anyway because it is very frequently quite inaccurate. And it is hard for servers to prove themselves across tiers. Number three NA guild is from Eredon Terrace over Night Shift? Okay. Yes, it is nice to have some general idea of where guilds stand, but if people are taking it so seriously then maybe the lesser evil is to get rid of rankings and only track history. I am sure we will not reach consensus on that, though. This is a social problem and it will not be fixed by rules and regulations, in my opinion.

Fights need to follow along rankings or something else instead of just being 100% choice. There also needs to be a bit of surprise to matches. Fight with what you have and what class you are on. Building your team to counter is lame and boring. There are players in here that many of you may refuse to listen to. You know what though? They are right. Much of the time they are right. Jscull and saiyr for example raise a lot of valid points. Some of you see a negative tone in what they say where it is not warranted.

As for rules and regulations. Too many of these is what most frequently scares people off. This is one of the things that many people will disagree with. If you constantly bicker about rules you wont get anywhere. As far as I’m concerned anything you can do in WvW is just fine. With the exception of no siege. Anything a player can do with his character in WvW should be permitted.

GvG should be about which guild is the best or just guilds battling it out for fun to try and improve. It should NOT be about who can stack the odds in their favor the most, who can perform in perfect conditions, can win with the perfect setup, or who can methodically counter the other guild the best. This doesn’t teach you how to be a better player or have fun. It teaches you how follow some predefined meta, and conforming to that meta/build, without overcoming challenges and improving.

I would suggest a system where the matches are not chosen by the guilds. If they want to practice there is nothing wrong with that. However, in a match that counts(or whatever we want to call it)the two guilds do not pick their opponents. They can choose to refuse, but that should reflect poorly on them. Guild goods and guilds that could improve all win. Good guilds prove their worth and guilds that need to improve can learn from it. Both of them can have fun either way.

Many of these ideas are good or common sense, but I also see lots of bad ideas. For example:

Removing siege: Really? You want to scratch at the gates all day long?
Changing PPT for certain times: How about we don’t punish players who are on at another time. I’m glad anet came out and said what they did about night capping.
AoE cap removed: While being able to hit more players would be nice, being able to hit too many would be absurd and cause a number of balance issues.

Numerous others, but those are just some of them. Most of the ideas are still good. Think like a developer and other players and how changes will affect the game. These are some I would like to see. Some are repeats of course.

-Upgrade server system to deal with skill lag. I say server system because using multiple servers to run a WvW map could be just as effective.
-Make larger maps. For reasons others have stated and allows to more interesting terrain and capture points. I would also like all these maps to be different, but balanced for each side.
-Allow player kills to factor into overall score. I have ideas for this, but I doubt most people want to read a long winded post.
-Add different capture points with the new maps. Like capturing a beach front or a cliff that can be used to rain damage down on your enemies. These would usually be strategic positions that would generate a small garrison or camp for the side that holds it. Nothing huge just some small walls and some field siege. This would allow for more capture points and put splitting your forces on a more level playing field comparatively to zerging.
-Some balance changes to specifically help melee classes. They are already at a disadvantage by having to be in melee range. There are just too many unnecessary debuffs and effects that screw them over right now simply because they are in melee range. This could be seen as more of an sPVP thing, but it does apply to WvW as well.
-one last one. Fix the match up system. The one before was ok with it’s flaws. This current one is just terrible. If you have to put it on auto pilot you need something more complex that doesn’t have rng. The preferred method however would be something with a system in place like the previous one with some human intervention and changes to the scoring system to encourage participation throughout the week. Give us something that shows you as a player can individually help and good teamwork simply magnifies that contribution via multiple people.

I’m sure there are others, but those are some that I think most can agree would help with WvW in general.

Oh I can’t believe I forgot. Some form of UI for groups larger than 5 and for commanders. Add a target assist window so people can follow a few people for targets. Allow the leader to target mark others as well. Something as simple as what other games like LOTRO have. LOTRO probably isn’t doing as well as GW2 but it hands it its behind when it comes to group UI.

Do all the people who cried for variety actually enjoy this rng garbage. This is a joke of a match up system. I much preferred the old system. Are we all realizing now that the only differences are, the names above players heads and that most of the match ups every week are greatly unbalanced?

Syktek.7912:

Elochai.1280:

No. While a decent attempt I hate time dilation. I hate when any game slows down. This takes away from players fighting each other and the skill aspect. People experience performance issues at different levels of stress. How would anet decide when it will activate? If I’m doing just fine and time dilation kicks in, I’m gonna be kitten ed off. The problem needs to be solved at the source.

Is it going to kick in for the whole map or server or what? Getting slowed down because too many people want to pile into SM would annoy everyone else greatly. If you only use it in the immediate area, those outside can do more in a shorter period of time. That wouldn’t be fair and the forcing everyone else to slow down wouldn’t go over well either.

While it could be a temporary bandage, it would be a bad one. It would make the game less enjoyable. You’d unfairly punish smaller groups/fights and take up lots of the devs time and effort. It does need to be fixed, but without compromising quality. While the current state can be bad I think time dilation would be worse.

Fantastic rebuttal I did consider this I just did not post about it as I was being a bit quick with my post before I lost interest and decided to not even post it.

I didn’t mean to come off harshly. Server data management is also less of a dev job and more on the networking guys. Time dilation makes it more of a dev issue and takes up more of there time. Anet needs to think more about what networking magic they can do. Whether it be better hardware or interconnectivity between their current hardware or more. Have more hardware pick up the work and interconnect them to transition seamlessly or work side by side. Still require some from devs, but much less.

No. While a decent attempt I hate time dilation. I hate when any game slows down. This takes away from players fighting each other and the skill aspect. People experience performance issues at different levels of stress. How would anet decide when it will activate? If I’m doing just fine and time dilation kicks in, I’m gonna be kitten ed off. The problem needs to be solved at the source.

Is it going to kick in for the whole map or server or what? Getting slowed down because too many people want to pile into SM would annoy everyone else greatly. If you only use it in the immediate area, those outside can do more in a shorter period of time. That wouldn’t be fair and the forcing everyone else to slow down wouldn’t go over well either.

While it could be a temporary bandage, it would be a bad one. It would make the game less enjoyable. You’d unfairly punish smaller groups/fights and take up lots of the devs time and effort. It does need to be fixed, but without compromising quality. While the current state can be bad I think time dilation would be worse.

This is more of a player problem than anet. They shouldnt do anything about queue times and number of players allowed. Only thing the should do, is promote going to lower population servers and/or lock out transfers to higher population servers. It would help to better the overall community and health of the game. Ultimately though the players are just as much to blame for it.

Frosch.7809:

The low number of posts from Yaks side means that for the first time in weeks both our opposing servers are polite both ingame and in this thread. I for my part am positively surprised at the atmosphere in this thread. No need for me to make some replies to Forum Warriors – i kinda like it.

While that is certainly true and we never have many forum warriors. I know a lot of regulars not playing this week or very little.

Aeros.2046:

There is too much love in this thread, not enough drama. Come on, there must be SOMETHING we don’t like/hate about each other?!

Its nice not having to deal with that garbage sometimes. Though it is entertaining to see people make fools of themselves. Been having quite a bit of fun this matchup. I have however, seen more zerging from you two than our last several matchups or is it just the weekend. DH more than BP it seems.

The keep lords are a joke to kill anyways. It’s not a big deal. Kill the players first.

So I’ve recently decided to start making videos again and started off by making some WvWvW videos on EBG fighting for Yak’s Bend. These are not intended to show off any skill or anything like that. They were simply for fun. Running around in EBG joining the zerg or roaming. Sometimes I’m doing stupid things and I fully know that and didn’t plan anything out. Hope those that watch like it. Thanks for watching.

The link is too all of the videos on my newer account. If you want to watch other videos go for it.

https://www.youtube.com/user/Elochai1847/videos

I think there were some positive things from the patch specifically for just warriors, but the change in the meta has made them worse off. Anet continues to implement things that punish warriors. Many game mechanics punish warriors. Specifically conditions. This game has turned into a kite fest. Whoever can kite better and has better ranged skills wins. I’ve always played classes like warriors mostly because they are melee, but the meta just doesn’t make it fun anymore for me.

Dan.2940:

Elochai.1280:

Dan.2940:

koopatroopa.5360:

Dan.2940:

koopatroopa.5360:

Archer.1658:

koopatroopa.5360:

EFWinters.5421:

YB population consists of 50% thieves?

90% of the people I run into solo are thieves.

Archer.1658:

Why is it when I kill a yak or kain repeatedly they call in their whole guild? /sigh..

LOL Coming from GF this is pretty funny. Roam with 8 guildies when you die solo much?

You sound mad for some reason. I ran into a few CT engies today, did I kill you? :/

Pretty sure I’m the only CT engi running around, and no, sadly, you didn’t. Watching you claim to solo with guildies behind you is funny though. Don’t confuse being mad to laughing hysterically. Seeing my /laugh emotes at your attempts would prove that much.

I don’t/never have claimed to be awesome, but the only person that has impressed me from your guild is an asura thief. We had good fights, and the only one that made me nervous.

Sadly any other attempt to 1v1 someone else in your guild results in a few others joining in when the heat is on. A shame really.

I’m not sure that it was so smart to admit you got bested by a thief running the CT build. Running any form of tanky build is firstly annoying and mainly only used by people who can’t survive playing a normal build (Ex. BM rangers, Tank Mesmers)… Due to the CT’s build being mainly used as a burst retaliator, and as thieves are 90% of the time burst.. you just made yourself look stupid :/

Look at my guild name. Who is looking stupid?

My bad, didn’t notice that, taking the context for what it was I assumed it was a build, then I looked at your previous message posts and saw that you run the tank cat build, and for some reason refer to it as CT instead of TC… Nonetheless, assuming you still use that build, and can’t kill a thief, you still look stupid as hell, good day sir!

Bro! Stop digging. He’s referring to his guild tag. His guild is crimethink. Their tag is CT.

Dude, I just said that I realized his tag is CT but I thought he was referring to a build since (in his message history) he says that he runs a “tank cat” engi build, reason I’m calling this kid out is because he seems to like to trash talk people on my world.

Fair enough. Of course he’s going to trash talk when people on your server like to trash talk too. It’s actually quick entertaining sometimes watching them go back and forth. Would you like some popcorn or are you going to be apart of the show?

Dan.2940:

koopatroopa.5360:

Dan.2940:

koopatroopa.5360:

Archer.1658:

koopatroopa.5360:

EFWinters.5421:

YB population consists of 50% thieves?

90% of the people I run into solo are thieves.

Archer.1658:

Why is it when I kill a yak or kain repeatedly they call in their whole guild? /sigh..

LOL Coming from GF this is pretty funny. Roam with 8 guildies when you die solo much?

You sound mad for some reason. I ran into a few CT engies today, did I kill you? :/

Pretty sure I’m the only CT engi running around, and no, sadly, you didn’t. Watching you claim to solo with guildies behind you is funny though. Don’t confuse being mad to laughing hysterically. Seeing my /laugh emotes at your attempts would prove that much.

I don’t/never have claimed to be awesome, but the only person that has impressed me from your guild is an asura thief. We had good fights, and the only one that made me nervous.

Sadly any other attempt to 1v1 someone else in your guild results in a few others joining in when the heat is on. A shame really.

I’m not sure that it was so smart to admit you got bested by a thief running the CT build. Running any form of tanky build is firstly annoying and mainly only used by people who can’t survive playing a normal build (Ex. BM rangers, Tank Mesmers)… Due to the CT’s build being mainly used as a burst retaliator, and as thieves are 90% of the time burst.. you just made yourself look stupid :/

Look at my guild name. Who is looking stupid?

My bad, didn’t notice that, taking the context for what it was I assumed it was a build, then I looked at your previous message posts and saw that you run the tank cat build, and for some reason refer to it as CT instead of TC… Nonetheless, assuming you still use that build, and can’t kill a thief, you still look stupid as hell, good day sir!

Bro! Stop digging. He’s referring to his guild tag. His guild is crimethink. Their tag is CT.

Grav.3568:

Elochai.1280:

Archer.1658:

koopatroopa.5360:

I will be gentle.

I won’t be, I will be rough, and you will end up in tears and possibly reroll a new profession or make a nerf thread (what the last YB guy did).

Hey EBay. How did this guy’s head fit through your servers front door?

It’s not bragging if you can back it up. And I assure you, Cookies can back it up.

Whether someone can back it up or not doesn’t change the fact that it’s bragging, arrogant, or that he has a huge ego. I haven’t run into him in game. However, his forum manner shows him to be those things. I wasn’t referring to his skill as a player at all.

Archer.1658:

koopatroopa.5360:

Archer.1658:

koopatroopa.5360:

Archer.1658:

koopatroopa.5360:

Archer.1658:

koopatroopa.5360:

Archer.1658:

koopatroopa.5360:

Archer.1658:

No impressive roamers yet from either servers..but I guess that’s reset night for ya.

I agree.

have some self-respect man..

Seeing the dead thieves/mesmers around me is all I need.

Your self-respect comes from having your dead friends around you? That’s weird..

Jinks.2057:

Archer.1658:

No impressive roamers yet from either servers..but I guess that’s reset night for ya.

Ya but the loot is prime.

We’ll have to see.. FA gave me a precursor during the week.

Your attempts to troll are feeble, like your confusion spec.

I play shatter? I don’t think you know what your talking about.

Clearly Im not paying much attention to you then, considering whenever I ran into you on vista island you just ran away. Granted there are zergs everywhere but if we are going to die to zergs you might as well duke it out before our demise.

I’m like 100% sure you have the wrong mesmer. Regardless, if you’d like to die I can oblige that.

I must be mistaking you for a roaming human female mesmer from your guild. Regardless, im sure we will have plenty of times to meet this week.

I will be gentle.

I won’t be, I will be rough, and you will end up in tears and possibly reroll a new profession or make a nerf thread (what the last YB guy did).

Hey EBay. How did this guy’s head fit through your servers front door?

Ok Kain now you have my permission to do your night capping. Tried to hold you in EB but there were just too many of you. EBay what’s up with all the glass specs. Maybe it’s just a reset night thing and so many are thieves.

I have made a few suggestion topics too and agree there should be a wvw suggestion forum. They get buried way to quick in the general suggestions sub forum. WvW just don’t go there either. There is too much pve junk to sort through.

Being account bound would be nice. If you are an experienced commander you know wvw well and want to lead on another toon why shouldn’t you be able to? On the other hand they’ve made it clear they want a focus on toon specific wvw stuff. Will they do it? Probably not. It’s wastes too much of players gold for them to want to get rid of it. More gold burned more likely hood of some players buying gold via gems.

Bella.6432:

Narathkor.8541:

yeah zane thats the battlegroup system. In DAOC when you formed a battlegroup you could make it open or closed, invite who you want or let everyone join, inside the battlegroup people could form their own regular groups. Thats the system we need here.

I agree with you here, how much I would love to see them put this sort of thing into place, it worked great!

I initially was all for the commander icons, despite the crazy cost, but have since changed my mind. It seems MOST of them that I’ve seen on our server are not owned by WvW’ers but rather people who PvE’d to gather up 100g and then decided to WvW while those who were lvling up on the battlefield for the most part, day in and day out couldn’t afford them.

So these so call “commanders” come in and people follow them simply because of the stupid icon! I really really hate the fact that you can BUY your leadership and not have to earn it at all!

Solution, at least until the map is flooded with little blue icons lol (then we’ll have a new issue to post about on the forums. heh

Do not allow the use of “commander” in WvW unless certain WvW requirements have been met. Simply setting attainments such as 2/5 in things like kills, siege built, defense, yak guarding, camp taking .. sorry I forget all the categories.. :P

But.. it SHOULD be for most if not all of them, as a “commander” should have a good grasp for what is necessary to win in WvW .. not just be a good gold farmer!

No one buys leadership. They buy and icon that people CHOOSE to follow. I would like a system like the one suggested allow the players to make large groups in a raid UI. Let them make it open or closed. An open one you could still deny entrance via a request sent to the leader of the raid or his raid assists. There really needs to be an assist window too. This would allow for everyone to see who’s being targeted and target them through that window to kills them. This would allow for the ability to kill specific targets in a zerg first. They need to allow more than one target to be marked as well with different icons. Allow people to form these groups without an kind of icon needed or money spent.

Many of you are under the assumption that the player can’t change their mindset from tpvp. Good players are good players and bad ones are bad ones. Most good players do very well in wvw when transitioning from tpvp. WvW has a very low learning curve if you could call it that. 15 minutes in wvw or spending sometime in pve as well and it’s not hard for them to adapt. In general tpvp players skill level is usually higher. It wouldn’t take much for them to use their brain and change their build up and play differently in wvw. A guild full of good tpvp players who make that tiny bit of effort to change a little for wvw would absolutely destroy their enemy. Most bad tpvp players who do so poorly in wvw are bad players anyways. That or they can’t think for themselves or adapt. Those are plain and simple bad players.

Its not about rating its about having a quality,fun, and balanced matchup.

I would like to see a gvg large map fight. Have 5 game categories 5v5, 10v10, 6 teams 10v10v10v10v10v10, 20v20, and 20v20v20. Capture the flag, team death match, capture the point, King of the Hill, Assault. Have 5 general balanced maps. The 6 teams and larger scale fights would be on 5 different maps. Take parts of Tyria that would normal pve through. Maybe change them up a bit. These are parts where most of major race factions don’t control. You could emphasis this is the parts that the guilds fight over. So have a large six way in Queensdale, Plains of Ashford, Metrica Provice, Wafarer Foothills, Caledon Forest. Make it big enough so that running around with the whole guild is not the smartest idea. Hell use the whole zone if you want. Add more zones as they go on. By using similar maps to what they have they don’t have to work too kitten maps. Maybe just change them a bit for the sake of balance. They could choose to make 5 new maps of similar size if they want to.

Maybe for the smaller scale guild fights have them fight in the main cities. Have the city guard evacuate the city population, because a guild fight erupted and they rather not be involved. They could make new maps for this as well or sections of appropriate size for these fights.

This would offer gvg fights as well as depth and choices for these fights. Both small and large guilds could enjoy the system. Maybe for larger guilds there could be a challenge issued in game or through the site that allows the leaders and officers to pick their guild mates as their large team for the fight. This would allow guilds to set a time and queue in their guild mates so that they will be zoned in at the set time.

I think this would be a good way to do it. Most importantly though, I want to see a system that is friendly to both small and large guilds. This kind of system would give a lot of replay value to the game in my opinion.

I think people sometimes just look for things to choose to be offended by. Hmm what can I find today that can offend me. Don’t waste your time sent.

I think the easiest fix would be give nearly every class a reliable boon removal. Too many classes can be over the top because of boons anyway. Retaliation supporters could still scream their l2p garbage and those that hate it can reliably deal with it.

Well you know some people can’t handle some words. If someone is harassing you too much fine but if you can’t handle a word, figure out how to. Words can’t hurt you.

They’ve got a slew of other UI things that should go in before something like this. Its also extremely easy to set up your own calendar online for the guild. I’d be more open to having it set up to allow you to embed your guild site or calendar in game. Chances are your going to get more customization abilities that way too.

So I was thinking of a different point system that could be used for WvWvW. They would still retain the current point system. However, they would also add in this to help encourage good fighting and give players more of a sense of impact on WvW. This would also encourage smaller groups and taking on groups that outnumber you. Let me know what you all think.

They need points acquisition opportunities that isn’t about coverage. I always wanted something that encouraged servers to fight each other. As in fight the actual players instead of face rolling around the map taking points.

Your point gain would go something like this:

More than you: More points
Same amount as you: Normal points
Less than you: Less points

So say you get 5 point normally for a kill. Two 20 man zergs class. Each side can possibly obtain 20 points in that engagement.

If you the enemy has 25% more players in the immediate area than you. Your side gets 6 points per kill. If they have 50% more your side gets 7 points per kill. 75% 8 points. 100% 9 points. It would cap at 25 points per kill.

It would be the opposite for outnumbering your enemy. 25% gets you 4 points. 50% gets you 3 points. 75% gets you 2 points. 100% gets you 1 point.

This of course would have to be dynamic and change based on how many players are in a given area. Could have fixed sectors of the map near all the capture points, keeps, towers, and SM. Some like the SM sector would include all of the surrounding towers. Your point gain would only be based on how many your server has in that area compared to how many are in the area of the same server that said player belongs to.

Obviously the numbers could be adjusted and tested. I think this would help to encourage more encounters with the enemy and help relieve coverage issues. If you don’t have someone to fight at that time and have a massive force you can still get plenty of points, but you wont get as much as you could. You wouldn’t have other players to fight. There would have to be a balance between the sources of points. However, I think they would provide for an environment for all types of players to enjoy. It would encourage zergs to fight each other. It could also encourage separation of forces and breaking up the mega zerg.

Current PPT for capped points would need to be adjusted to be in line with this. So that capped points are still of value comparably, but make it so both sources of points are very viable.

As much as retaliation and confusion are different, it encourages a lack of action, which isn’t fun. Forget that for a second that it “adds depth” or whatever else you may think it adds. Look he has retaliation. kitten it all I can do is wait it out. Is that fun? Nope. If you gave every class a way to more regularly deal with it other than don’t do anything and twiddle your thumbs, it wouldn’t be so irritating. Yes certain classes can deal with it, but most can’t reliably deal with it, or can’t do anything about it at all other than not do anything.

To me and I’m sure to a lot of other players it isn’t about how to properly deal with it, but about how it detracts from the fun in the game for us. Confusion annoyed me far more than retaliation, but they are both still lame mechanics to deal with.

Make it for android as well and I’ll consider getting it.

I’m waiting to see how everyone feels about this system after they’ve experienced all of the good AND terrible matches this system can produce. As well as when the novelty of fighting someone with a different server name above their head wears off.

RE I don’t know you all much at all other than from playing against you on kain a few times. Though we don’t honestly NEED more NA on Yak’s Bend, it would be nice. I know Yak’s is very accepting of transfers. I’ve found that TC, SoR, FA, and HoD seem to also be pretty accepting of transfers. If your server wasn’t mentioned I simply don’t know your server well enough. Even without having all the facts of ALL server, notice how much garbage is being said. Whether things are true or not. If that much garbage is being said, there is something going on there.

Good luck in finding your new home. Overall, I’d say try to find a mid tier or lower tier server. We don’t need anymore stacking. Yak’s has a strong community and being NA RE would enjoy the community and fighting spirit at not only our prime time, but your guilds prime time as well. We’d welcome you at Yak’s but want you to go somewhere you want to be.

I’m not so concerned about the night capping. I more against it because larger stronger forces don’t meet or the smaller forces don’t meet at the same times. I rather have them meet for the sake of fun not to points chase each other.

When I saw the title I thought you were going to suggest the wvw players challenge the devs to mortal combat.

Dumb Woob.9415:

Don’t despair! If this continues, SBI will move up 60 Elo points after this round. Honest. Since you’re so much lower rated than your opponents, you don’t have to score as many points to get a positive rating. It’s sort of like how a draw in chess can result in a rating change if the opponents are rated much different from each other.

I’m pretty sure most players don’t care about rating, but care more about good enjoyable matchups.

Eviator.9746:

What’s annoying is the lack of fighting spirit, and the lack of foresight. This week may suck for SBI, but what about next week? Next week you could be the server with the mega-zergs. Enjoy the variety! Enjoy the experience! Learn new tactics! Just stop the QQ!

When variety produces crap, variety is not longer enjoyable.

Reloading.3260:

Everyone knows how successful anet is at implementing rng.

Surprised?

Don’t you mean this is what happens when any game implements rng?

Play what you want. What are you out for? Supporting fellow roamers, yourself, respect, being irritating, running away, or being different. There’s tons of thieves memers and d/d elves. I personally prefer playing the not so common roaming classes.

SoR, TC, Yaks, BG, and FA. All servers get transfers, but these servers seem to retain those transfers or don’t lose more than they gained. TC and SoR specifically because they both have strong communities. I can’t speak to BG and FA, but following them they seem pretty stable. None of those seem to ascend too quickly via transfers or whatever other means. So most of them know winning and losing and have experienced both.

Omg you actually have to avoid arrow carts or deal with them instead of ignoring them. Are arrow carts doing more than they should? Probably, but they are far from as nightmarish as people make them out to be. I still have plenty of fights whether open field or otherwise where there is no AC action or so and we just avoid then deal with the ac. Just don’t play the way those with the AC want you to play. Change it up on them and you’d be surprised that they don’t know what to do.

I still think smaller forces can do just fine against the larger force when it comes to defending their points. You just have to be proactive instead of reactionary. Most GW2 players fail hard at being proactive and thinking ahead. Yet if you do it makes a world of difference. Then the larger force usually doesn’t know what to do, because the smaller force is defending intelligently.

Sounds like you all just need to be vigilant. Especially in terms of making your VoIP a good place for the community to be. If you let others ruin it for you it doesn’t matter how many new voice chat servers you set up it ultimately wont last.

No one wants to see a community crash and burn. Well some do I suppose. Stay vigilant with your community and rebuild it up. Everyone has to reach out to each other and come together. Acting like children with segregated groups isn’t going to help, but respect each others space and guilds right to just chill with their guild. Take the time to deal with the BS in your community and it will be much better off.

When you do build it back up don’t let too much influence or leadership go to one person or group of people. When that happens and they do leave your community will do what it is doing right now. Always have someone to replace lost people. When you can do that and something like this happens to your community the effect will be minimal.

There’s nothing wrong with posting in here. Chances are those he wants to reach out to don’t use the server website. This is the best outlet for what he wants to do. Just some of my advice. Good luck Kaineng.

Nope I’ve been on anvil rock yaks SoR HoD and back to yaks. I do ocassionally post in other matchup threads.

Pendragon.8735:

Elochai.1280:

GuardianOMS.8067:

I feel that that was supposed to hurt my feelings but I’m just more perplexed as to why you ever would know who I am or care.

Nope wasn’t meant for either and I don’t care so you don’t need to be perplexed.

Some reason I’m associating that name with DB? But we can always use more bodies.

Who’s name?

GuardianOMS.8067:

Elochai.1280:

GuardianOMS.8067:

I feel that that was supposed to hurt my feelings but I’m just more perplexed as to why you ever would know who I am or care.

Nope wasn’t meant for either and I don’t care so you don’t need to be perplexed.

Sounds like you do. You sound a little grumpy, what’s wrong, buddy? Tell me all your problems, your hopes, your dreams. I’ll sing you a song.

Every day our warriors, fight to keep us strong.
They fight the bad, they fight the good, they fight them all day long.
Then one day our warriors, came upon a fight.
They zerged and zerged to no avast! They zerg with all might!
Alas, the enemy was too strong, our warriors had wiped.
“Waypoint to east keep, try again, we’ll show them who is right!”
Lost but not defeated, fire burned in their heart.
Our warriors will never forgot, the mighty arrow cart.

If there is anything wrong, it’s that I’m still at work and not playing the game.

GuardianOMS.8067:

I feel that that was supposed to hurt my feelings but I’m just more perplexed as to why you ever would know who I am or care.

Nope wasn’t meant for either and I don’t care so you don’t need to be perplexed.

GuardianOMS.8067:

Not sure who you are but welcome back?

Ahh I was expecting one of these kinds of posts. Don’t worry I don’t know who you are either.

Hey yaks mag and kain. My server touring has ended. Its good to be back on yaks bend:) Hope to enjoy some good fights. See you all out there.

Rednik.3809:

Glass cannon cannot survive run trough the sizable enemy zerg without wasting long survival CD. Therefore, they have no place in an organized group, no one needs a fighter who is fit only then to stand behind the group and not capable of movement inside the enemy zerg.

I play organized WvW since first BWE. There is NO way to keep all your guildmates alive inside large enough enemy zergs for long time. Stuns, immobilizes, pulls, knockdowns, stability dispelling, constant heavy AoE – ppl will begin to fall. Rally allows us to pick them back up, regroup, heal up, and make a new charge. Remove downstate and zerg warfire will become AoE-fest with only one rule “you have more numbers and more AoE – you win already”.

Your assuming that organized groups run into and through zergs all the time. This is certainly one way. It is but one tactic. Running right into an enemy zerg is not the only thing organized players do nor should it ever be. Many tactics don’t call for a squishy to be in the middle of a zerg and they don’t have to be to do their job. There is nothing wrong with a squishier player being behind the other more tanky ones. It’s smart of them to do and they can put out more damage than someone built tougher. While an all glass group could go horribly wrong, to say that they have no place is wrong. You have to play to your group composition. You can prefer certain builds but every build has it’s place and every build can be effective in an organized group.

Well of course you can’t keep people up in the middle of a huge enemy force. That’s kind of the point. So you can take on many enemies at once and kill them quickly. Even if there was dedicated healers people still wouldn’t stay up when your getting hit by that many people. If they could then no one would ever die on either side.

Downed state simply prolongs the fight for both sides. It doesn’t give you some magical tactical edge. It’s being smart and knowing where and when to use your skills. It’s reacting to the current situation and adapting. Being ready to act differently in different situations. Getting out of the said aoe when it’s coming down. Those that lose fights to aoe either got out played by the other sides application of aoe, they didn’t properly handle or avoid it, or there was just that many players that you weren’t going to win no matter what.

You can like downed state as much as you want. Glass cannons can still be very effective. Running into the middle of an enemy zerg is not the only tactic and is actually the worst move you can make sometimes. Downed state only allows both sides to prolong the fight. You still have each side has so many dead after the fight. It doesn’t change the fact that large scale fights are mostly aoe driven. It doesn’t help you deal with aoe. If someone died via aoe they are still dead via aoe.

Rednik.3809:

Elochai.1280:

Many of those that support downed state(not all of you) fail to realize that most who don’t like it aren’t complaining about it being too hard. They aren’t happy with how it annoys and irritates them.

Because they are bad, and don’t know anything about long fight with long CD management, except “lol i gonna press my burst cycle and run away”.

Elochai.1280:

What’d you think was going to happen when a glass cannon chose to melt your class cannon. You should be dead, simple as that. Every build has a weakness that can be exploited. Being glassy is your weakness that you chose when you built that way. Just like lack of damage is what you have when you build tanky. You give up things no matter what build you are running. Every class also has its inherent advantages and disadvantages. This is after all what defines classes.

I don’t care about glasscannon fights, because glasscannons are worthless in any meaningful battle. Down state allows heavy raid manage attrition fights though organization and wrack crowds of mindless unorganized AoE spammers, just because we can finish them much faster before they manage to finish our downed. Unorganized force MUST lose against organized, and downed state allows this to happen. So until anet will add targeted heals to help keep up the raid – downed state must stay here, otherwise wvw will fall into mindless ranged aoe spam fights.

Just because people don’t like downed state, doesn’t make them bad. It means they don’t like it. It’s that plain and simple. I’m sorry you can’t see that. By that logic you ALWAYS have to be good at something to like it.

There’s tons of skills that lend much more to long fights and allow for a more organized group to win. They do much more in that aspect then downed state can ever hope to. Rezzing and killing people in downed state is just as mindless as this so called mindless aoe spam you speak of.

By saying glass cannons don’t matter in any fight you are saying dps doesn’t matter. Well played smart glass cannons can bring a world of hurt to the enemy. They aren’t optimal in many situations, but they certainly have their place. They are generally the prefered role that less experienced players choose, but they are far from worthless.

The game doesn’t need downed state in wvw. There is tons ways to support your group, heal, and protect them. Much of these skills can do much more than dedicated healers could by preventing damage in the first place. Lets not forget about how many more skills every single player has to keep themselves up. Is downed state there and does it add something to the game? Yes, a little bit. Just another mindless mechanic though. Being that it takes just as much thought or brain power to do as what else has been referred to as mindless.

Many of us do and don’t like downed state for various reasons. However, not liking downed state doesn’t make someone bad and downed state is not necessary.

XII.9401:

savints.6281:

To be honest I don’t think they will ever remove the down state in wvw (I don’t like it as much as the rest of you) but it is something they took time to develop and put effort into, if anything they will try and make it work by separating down the down states in wvw from pve, I think personally what should be done is, the HP pool of everyone in down state for wvw should be normalized everyone has the same small HP pool in down state in wvw, it just seems right, they also need to decrees the time it takes to stomp in wvw, to at least 2x faster then what it is right now, this or increase the time it takes for an in combat res to happen, someone should not be able to res a team mate faster then I can down them.

Just how they took time to develop underwater fighting and everyone hates it? Just because you like something doesn’t mean you have to shove it down everyone’s throat when they don’t like it ESPECIALLY if they are your paying customers.

I bet you 20g that if a poll was taken on what arena would be removed in spvp it would be raid on capricorn.

Exactly that is the difference between successful developers and ones that aren’t. That holds true across many professions. Writing, movies, tv shows, music, and anything else in the entertainment industry. If people push their own agenda too much they will eventually get a negative effect. Whether it be right away or take some time. People need to voice their opinions and how they feel about aspects of something they want to see do well. Too many people view criticism or complaining(whatever you want to call it) as a bad thing. When in fact it is one of the primary driving forces behind bettering things and driving good change.