Guild Wars 2

Snort you are right m8. We need to go down a few tiers. We had no teams for PvD but we held our own quite well without it and beat many night capping servers without it. where we made our way to T2 without night cappers. What did you guys do?

Thats why T2 was hard for us. It was 24 hour scoring and they were also great in primetime. I just cant wait to see your next tier scores to be honest.

I think the pvd stuff is just something everyone has to accept but converting your server pride to smack talk because of winning in that manner is kinda silly
Bring on T2 for you guys. Bet half of you vanish off the forums pretty quickly :P

Well we love Kodash
I wonder if Riverside will wake up a bit i think those 2 have a proper rivalry going on.

I think Deso got a bunch of new guys btw. After Ruin joined a lot of people either returned or started Wvw again so they are stronger than your last match up.

FS was the best server out there for primetime but they had a small night crew hence the relegation. They were top tier for a long time fighting 24 h servers. No idea what has happened now but that could mean you and deso fighting over the night and having painful primetime

Getting t2 without a night time team is pretty good

Its just hard to remember that when your getting beaten badly

When playing Arbor i saw a strong 24h server, you could see they were good at all times of day and im guessing the servers above them are the same.
They dont rate their skill vs doors.

BT are in for such a shock

I think you deserve to be there but i honestly think your smugness is going to be gone after a single day of T2
Riverside was like you early on. Look what happened to them, they are now a normal server playing at normal times of day. High tiers broke them

I think the high tier hurt SFR badly also (i shouldve added this) but we didnt get there from player vs door.

Scepter stuff is interesting but without trait effects and cond dmg it seems to make the results a bit misleading.

I can see people just taking this and saying “scepter(insert random wep) is best dps!” actually i think theres been some in the thread already. i.E someone is already talking about Sword being so low dps…

I just hope the nerf doesnt neuter the rest of us.
I love the actual backstab playstyle d/p and can see it become kittened because some guys like to see big numbers but die when someone farts.

If its the same hacker guy we had on SFR, the moment u give the orb back he will steal it again.

p/p in wvw does ok.
its a bit mindless and good when u have had a drink or two.
pvp its probably much much worse id guess.

Wvw however is a lot more chaotic so its weaknesses arent too obvious.

Unload was doing 6-7k last night. Could spam it 4 times b4 i would have to wait on init tick. So i could sort of chain it 5 times. thats quite a decent amount of damage on a target at range.

Once i sobered up i got bored really fast and moved back to dagger but it worked fine for the hour or so i was playing with it.

We run in a 4-7 man roaming group. We do fine but the big issue is EBG. Just dont go there. Borderlands are much more suitable for small scale stuff.

EBG u take a Vet or a camp and you have to completely vacate the area b4 a much larger force comes in very shorty after. Its just too tightly packed for good escapes/guerilla stuff.

No i hate what this guy is doing but its hardly Kodash and SFRs fault. Which is what the OP was saying.

We did all we could do to get this kitten banned. We even have large guilds boycotting wvw untill something is done about it. Then SFr is blamed for him stealing your Orb. Which you cant agree with.

Reading a post helps.

I used cleric set for a long time because thats the first set i made and intended to heal, then found wvw needed healing less and less.

Now i’m using the knight set instead and it isn’t too much of a dps boost over the healing one, a bit more crit but Cleric worked fine for roaming group wvw.

PvE wise bubbles and stability, cure tends to have more function so you do well in any set also.

What i’m saying is…I regretted making the Cleric set first around but after replacing it i realise it didn’t hinder me that much.

You cant really go wrong between the 3 you have mentioned

I have no issues with a server capping in the night thats currently how some have to compete. I do have a problem with Anet as they should attempt to discourage scoring in empty borderlands which they aren’t atm.

I will say though. Whoever wins this match up is moving into the 24 hour server brackets which means they will need a strong night population. They will also need a good daytime pop.

SFR average heh

I played on Gandara vs Deso when you were strong and played vs SFR the week later. They were just out of your class when you were “good”.

Although like Gandara you were never really that great but had a massive pop.

I would like to see a reply from Anet.
Clearly a large population isn’t happy about this and a small population enjoy the advantages from it but many agree a contribution based system makes more sense.

So can we get response?

I love watching Treb spam from garrison get countered. You know those Treb users had no clue what was happening :P

/winks at Deso

Since coming to SFR all ive seen is server pride and enjoyment in winning properly.

If this dirtbag cheats when the rest of the server is awake he will get reported by everyone. Were on your side in this.

I think thats the main thing. Yopu dont get kited as a guardian. People just run away

Its counter is to stay in melee range and kill the Thief.
Thats it.

This ability doesn’t make them into a tank. They are just as squishy and it does no more damage at range than in melee. (unless your nuking them where it reflects)

As a guard i know the chaos a reflect can cause. The day people stop panicking is the day my dps stops.

knight draconic with undead runes, carrion and knight jewellery, Carrion Sword/torch and Cleric staff.
Enjoying it a lot in wvw
Vit, Crit, Tough, Cond dmg and power. Utility staff used for support pve set aswell
Everything a tiny guardian needs

No, i never get kited.
We have plenty of tools to close the gaps or to defend ourselves, letting us close.

The only people who do are the ones who want ranged buffed and are using this as an excuse to complain.

We have so much utility. You need to choose ones that complement or fill gaps in your skillset due to your weapon choice.

well at least one person does hehe. Ill go eat. GL with the NA’s

If your having massive battles in your primetime then my systems would work. Do you agree?

Canadians arent americans btw

Like ozzies arent british

Im 37 and been playing world pvp since rallos zek
I even mentioned daoc in my post so shh.

I agree with both of you if that keep is defended by other oceanics
See thats where u both mess up. Your basically saying your time is worth the same…and yes it is but your not making the same effort till you fight someone.

A system where your score is set against the population in the zone would work fine. So if your 20 men fighting 20 men you get a full score. If your 50 men fighting 1 guy, the score is reduced.
You could play vs other oceanics/asian/nighters on the same borderlands which u would all move to for the higher scores. Once there is no1 in the zone the score reduces.
Or how about keep guards gettng buffed so taking an empty keep gets harder? More entertaining for the people capping and makes their hard work worth the points.

Its fair. Easy and affects anyone including me when my daughter wakes me up to game at 6 am :P

Put aside your problems with NA for god sake. Nag your goverment and get better broadband and come play EU :P

im from wales butt, use your brain. Not used to an oz being so sensitive. whats up with u?
All i spoke about was empty keep scoring.
Do you think that should be worth the same points as fully defended?

Thats the issue. Some of u guys have no care about stuff being fair.
Your getting your shirt off because you think im on your server about to ruin your fun. Where im from the Eu on a server low ranked in a small guild for fun.

I just care about WvW because i dont really do the rest of the game and dont want this to end stupidly.

If you want to easy fix this remove the rankings completely and just use the system as a matchmaker.

If you keep the ranking system then it has to be fair and you need to do something about night capping.

Because you have made rankings, you have made the game more sport like and so it needs to be fair to be competetive (compared to WAR or DAOC where the world was even more persistant so night capping wasnt about gaining a score. The unfairness seemed more appropriate and you could just get your stuff back. YOU CANT GET POINTS BACK) this means leaving the system open to point manipulation on this scale will cause players to lose interest, you have essentially made a sport then made it unfair.

This system makes people feel their effort is worthless and this will make WvW become more and more pointless to them. This is important because this IS the end game to many players and by not reacting your giving a clear signal that their efforts are worthless.

What this current system will do is give a top bracket of servers who are willing to do anything to get there. It makes me feel your trying to emulate eve in this aspect but if a corp took over the economy there to a point it was breaking it for everyone i dont doubt ccp would step in. This is essentially what night capping is doing.

Now, I can see the current system working if you let the exploiting and night capping servers all eventually get top rank then lock them in place but you will end up with a competetive game where being top 3 means nothing, because everyone knows how and why they got there. Once it is established that being number 1 just means your willing to bug keep lords etc and that those top servers always lose all peak time vs any server outside the top 3. No-one will want to be number 1. Then you will have to supply new rewards to a part of the population who play the game to be number 1 and you will have to advertise to the rest who have left.

You need to step up and realise you havent created the same open world pvp like DAoC and people are playing this more like an esport, an esport needs to be balanced and fair.
The people your attitude is hurting the most is the organised guilds who play at peak times. Isnt that who WvW is aimed at? Or is it aimed at the small groups who attack empty keeps at night?
Sort it out.

You had a ton of Russians getting you early morning scores and a large general population keeping you up there.
You got popular due to success and then zerglings swamped your server so organised guilds couldnt play together. Organised guilds left and now your left with the bottom of the barrel players. I think your in for a fun few months

I was enjoying wvw less and less on Gandara.
Too many times people would let the garrison or keep get taken so the could take a random tower.
The same few people carried supply and all in all the team work was awful apart from the small few trying their best. You wouldnt have rams or supply for an inner door if u didnt bring it yourself. People would try to lead and jsut get abuse from others. It was pretty stressful.

I swapped server with my guild and the first thing I saw was everyone queueing at a supply camp as it was captured to get supply for the next attack….Then i noticed there was 2-3 commanders per map! I hadnt seen one on Gandara. The first keep attack i was in, they didnt just zerg a door but moved as a mass tactically and then had 3 rams for the inner door….the inner!! Ive not seen a single keep where they havent had supply. Gandara it would happen all the time. People wasting rams on a population who thought that side of the game was someone elses job to do.

The server I moved to is ranked closely with Gandara with about half its population but its a ton more fun to play on. I dont care about total rankings so im happy here. Sadly Gandara in my opinion is currently being carried by its larger population. Unless a guild steps up to the plate to take control of wvw I think its going to be quite painful for you.

Gl and all the best. I will enjoy capping that Garrison whilst your mindless zerg leaves it to take Redbriar :P

Im talking about Deso Riverside etc.
Never pld FS so i wouldnt know but heard respectable things

The 24 hour matches let some servers do well because they had dedicated night raiders who would take full control all night. They are a significant part of those servers original rankings and their success. If you ever played them in prime time you would see how lacklustre they were but accepted they were being competitive to win.

Flash forward to longer campaigns====Those guys have to fight upgraded keeps that a 10 man ninja group can be stopped dead by (literally) and they have finally reached the top of their table where ironically they are getting beaten by a proper 24 hour server. A server that does the exact same thing that they used to win a week ago but is doing it with a proper population.

Then they complain on the forums…
Funny

I’m from Gandara and SR.

Look at most of the replies saying how good they are for being melee
Silly boasting of pointlessness.
Well done, your awesome!…./pat on the back. Silly people.

Anyway….The OP is 100% correct. Melee is harder than ranged and the pve is harder as melee.

I play guard and have it easier compared to some melee classes and if i switch to ranged in pve its just less dangerous. I’ve not really found a fight so far that is easier on melee to be honest. With a lot of the reaction game being about spotting animation cues or reacting to projectiles melee just get it badly.
Yes you can play up close and do well. This wasnt the point. Your an idiot if you thought the OP was saying you cant melee. Its just more taxing than ranged with a larger chance of dying.

I do fine :P

Go out a door.
Kill people then (block)heal and reflect to get back inside. Cure anything that sticks.

With 2 teleports and decent burst it works and were one of the few classes that can actually go melee in a keep fight