Guild Wars 2

Doing more damage > doing less damage. Its the same pug vs speedclear.

Play how you want. Just stay out of my instances.

If you’re intent on self inflicted prolapse, I’ll be on in ~6hours.

Travlane.5948:

Erebus.9276:

Why do you need defense?

you get in a fight with 4-5 risen and you are dead. that a reason enough?

if u count PVP you are dead in 1-2 seconds if in a 2 v 2 and 2-3 seconds in a 1v1.

So open world content and pvp are too difficult with a pve damage spec. Interesting.

Why do you need defense?

25(30)/30/0/0/15(10) has been the meta thief build..forever….

S/D. You’re welcome.

You have no idea how to pve.

Clumsy.6257:

Travlane.5948:

Clumsy.6257:

Travlane.5948:

MrAmputatoes.6031:

Thief never really had the greatest dps, that’s always gone to the warrior usually. We do however have some decent burst.

And this kinda to be expected.

burst? this IS burst. we are in the bottom 3 for burst and prolly tied for dead last on DPS bc we have to invis….set up attacks…dodge….evade…move away to reset. that all brings DPS way down…. bc its dmg over time.

You do realize this is PvE right?

yes. unless people can choose risen as a character now?

Then your post made no sense. “we have to invis” CnD = good damage, “set up attacks” CnD = good damage, “move away to reset” Why the **** are you moving away to reset?

So you can heal up in stealth? L2p.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/services-offered-f290.html

I converted too brother, those nasty path sellers are ruining my fun by taking advantage of people who don’t know any better.

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Erebus.9276:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Erebus.9276:

Considering traits you can get +12% crit chance, both of these are semi-“passive” and available in the x/30/0/0/x setup. So yeah they do make a difference in regards to gear selection.

If that would be the case, then we should all pick up Valkeries because with x/30/x we can have 100% crit chance while in stealth.

Then if that is really the case, what’s the point of the ’zerker and ’ssin gears?

Which brings us back here to answer that question.

Stealth is too conditional though, I’m just talking passive bonuses like the op.

Actually if you review the OP, he did consider having 30pts into CS.

He sure did. Also included scholar runes which assumes being over 90% hp and with only 5points in CS gives +5% crit chance. Assassins gear is redundant.

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Erebus.9276:

Considering traits you can get +12% crit chance, both of these are semi-“passive” and available in the x/30/0/0/x setup. So yeah they do make a difference in regards to gear selection.

If that would be the case, then we should all pick up Valkeries because with x/30/x we can have 100% crit chance while in stealth.

Then if that is really the case, what’s the point of the ’zerker and ’ssin gears?

Which brings us back here to answer that question.

Stealth is too conditional though, I’m just talking passive bonuses like the op.

Considering traits you can get +12% crit chance, both of these are semi-“passive” and available in the x/30/0/0/x setup. So yeah they do make a difference in regards to gear selection.

wish.1027:

Nike Porphyrogenita.8137:

If you want to learn about Thief dps builds, watch my livestream tonight at 6pm EST where I’ll be discussing Thief and every other profession post patch.

I went into your live stream, and then you banned me for proving you wrong repeatedly.

I think the most hilarious thing you said during the 5 minutes I was watching is how you get 20% damage below 50% mob HP with executioner, and how exposed weakness gives you a 10% damage increase, and how First strikes gives you a 10% damage increase. And all this, while already having Scholar Runes. I also like how you advocate running 107% critical hit chance from the side or behind with flanking strike on, because you know, critical hit chance can exceed 100%!

All my math proved is that with as many power buffs as are available in this game, if youre using half of them, reaching 100% critical hit chance while fully buffed provides a better damage increase than stacking more power. I would of eventually gotten around to posting that bit, after I did a bit more math, which Ive been doing today since I got home from work, but wont be done with today saddly. But you wanted to try to call me out. So how about you go ahead and prove with math those 2 things you specifically said are true. I’ll wait.

Kadin.2356:

Source on ascended gear stats? Anyone?

I have SS’s from in-game with the stats listed, I posted all the stats on the armor in my first post.

roughryder.6071:

Tremain.4623:

Oh god so much math. You need like “conclusions: wear THIS”.

I second this notion! I appreciate your dedication and effort for finding out these values, but Im lazy and reading numbers sucks. Could you please have a summary section that describes/explains your findings in language only? Thank you.

When Im done with each individual section it will be there!

Erebus.9276:

having over 100% with berserker means that losing power for more crit chance is worthless.

Yes, losing power for precision when over 100% critical hit chance is a bad idea, and is a worthless thing to do.

However, showing that reaching 100% critical hit chance is better DPS when buffed than wearing Berserkers is not.

Right. But if you have over 100% with berserker, why use assassin anything? Wouldn’t power > prec at that point?

Akari Storm.6809:

frans.8092:

Only perfection is good enough

+5% is still +5%.
Same reason to take this as to pick traits or upgrades that increase damage by 5%. Same reason for every other little bit +%, they all add up.

They may add up but you’ll never notice the difference.

5% is very noticeable.

Yet the very next line offers traits which imply it is about overall builds. Ignoring existing variables doesn’t help much either.

It is also entirely possible I’m just too casual in the ways of math and how crit chance works in game, but having over 100% with berserker means that losing power for more crit chance is worthless.

I only get booted when I’m running my clerics venom share healer spec thief when pug guardians realize I’m out healing them. #jealous #newhealskillop

Syn Sity.5826:

Bragdras.9572:

Lupicus, while being a good fight, is a poor representation of a good 5-man dungeon boss, because he can be solo’d (with effort, I’ll give you this), in this sense it’s a bit flawed, on another hand, this is possible due to the dodge mechanic, which means the boss works great for GW2 standards (telegraphed animations are fair but punishing).

I’d love to have more fights like this, but I’d prefer for Anet to fix the current broken AI on most bosses we currently have who don’t use their AoEs properly (looking at you, spider queen, Kholer and every other bosses who use their AoEs exclusively as gap closers.. Dumb).

Nearly every boss can be solo’ed. That is a good thing. A boss that can’t be solo’ed usually means that a dps team is simply bursting him down before he can rip your team apart which is horrible design. I can’t really think of any middle ground right now but feel free to correct me if I’m wrong.

Just for the record, lupicus actually has a really low health pool compared to most bosses. I think.

You should be able to out heal any damage a boss does.

Boom.

Savoy.6824:

No body has bothered to bring up how increadibly easy fractals are below level 20. The difficulty goes up a little passed level 10 but not much. Not to mention the fact that they said they were going to make it even easier and the fact that they have fixed bugs in both the dredge and harpy fractal which again makes it so much easier. It will be on par with the difficulty of the latest living story update the tower of nightmares. And lets be honest, if you cant do the tower of nightmares then you need to put down your keyboard and step away from computer games all together.

So in summary the community wont be split by this because the community is not made up of half decent players and the other half kittened people. Probably more like 15% kittened people. And that 15% needs to quit anyway. So BYE.

But this is instanced content, unlike the tower. How are we supposed to get through it with only 5 people when the tower takes 10+? Also, they keep adding more of this type of content and less and less open world things. This is a mmo! Playing with only 5 people limits immersion incredibly.

Please guys, this is a serious issue that needs to be addressed. The half measure of only resetting this group of peoples level to 30 is unacceptable. Everyone should start out fresh. It isn’t punishing anyone anymore than it already is, if they’re going to reset it then they should reset it all the way.

Guys, you can’t just ignore this huge problem. This is going to further split the community.

swiftpaw.6397:

Quickfoot Katana.8642:

I dont know why does this subforum even exists.

It’s not like Anet has a Dungeon team anymore.

This is purely so we can vent our frustation from the carebears in-game and get infractions in the process so they never have to see us again.

Pretty much this.

Quoted for truth.

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

you call yourself thief we had a thief in Group you could compete we had an ingi in the Group we could have changed im with a nec the massblind on nec is ridiculusly strong on that fractal… it seems you not Play nec main or you would know it… so yes your nec could compete you don’t have to buy gemstore items but I did have to buy it because there were no exploits known when we did this… I asked you to tell me where I used a glitch and you cna’t Name one so I can say I am legit scale 81 .. reflects are part of gamemechanics as are blinds some of the most powerfull skills in fotm as ele I don’t even use in this Video cause I didn’t know

Blinds arn’t part of my minion build. And if someone as good as you didn’t know what to use how do you expect everyone to just glean this knowledge out of the thin air? I never said anything about glitches, just saying.

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

Fafnir.5124:

to get to 80 glitchs where used when fotm first got out from true pioneers of fotm. Afterwards people to 80 by only doing odds with people already at 80. People wont be able to do fotm 30 post update most likely because of AR change and simple infusion being turned into AR+1. So ya there is that. There is a week to update and you can still get to fotm 30 in that time fairly easily.

tell me 1 glitch that I used to get to my LEGIT 81… I’m tired of getting blamed on the Forums for things we didn’t do… I used rez orbs to complete maw it’s part of the gamemechanics those orbs… soo Tell me 1 Thing I used to get to scale 81 that was a glitch or stuff

this was considered back than the hardest Boss:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYrtfwlZdeE

see glitchless…

You used reflects? What about my necromancer? How is it supposed to compete? So I have to buy gem store items in order to play this content now? Why is that okay?

eekzie.5640:

Erebus.9276:

You guys don’t understand.. starting out at square one with nothing… I have to get to level 30 this week or I’ll be behind my friends and we won’t be able to play together? I thought I could play how I want?

Your friend can join you.

But then they wouldn’t be advancing so it isn’t fair to them… I have no choice but to grind fractal levels.

panzer.6034:

Erebus.9276:

It isn’t enough time though. Each fractal can take upwards of 1hr… and every even level? Has some kind of boss fight? That probably takes even longer… I can only play so many hours each day with my wife and 3 kids to take care of. They need to give us more time.

If your friends are at level 30+, you were already behind them anyways. Were you not concerned with catching up with them within the past year?

Like I said, I was afraid to. But now that Living Story content is being added I feel forced to fractal. There was no past year, this started today.

It isn’t enough time though. Each fractal can take upwards of 1hr… and every even level? Has some kind of boss fight? That probably takes even longer… I can only play so many hours each day with my wife and 3 kids to take care of. They need to give us more time.

a t s e.9614:

Reporting each other ? I never reported someone in my life . Only in a FPS game and it was because the dude was hacking.

I meant this in a more general sense, not trying to single any one person or group of people out.

You guys don’t understand.. starting out at square one with nothing… I have to get to level 30 this week or I’ll be behind my friends and we won’t be able to play together? I thought I could play how I want?

Jumping only causes people to find new ways to skip things that are not meant to be skipped and thus needs to be disabled.

In its place jump pads like in the skyhammer pvp map. This way only places where you are meant to jump are reachable by jumping.

Thank you.

Fafnir.5124:

to get to 80 glitchs where used when fotm first got out from true pioneers of fotm. Afterwards people to 80 by only doing odds with people already at 80. People wont be able to do fotm 30 post update most likely because of AR change and simple infusion being turned into AR+1. So ya there is that. There is a week to update and you can still get to fotm 30 in that time fairly easily.

I know its terrible, but still.. now I have to grind out fractals with questionable people to reach level 30 before next TUESDAY. That isn’t enough time. They should announce these types of changes MONTHS in advance.

So people are being reset back down to lv30 from whatever super high level they SOMEHOW got to. What about the people that didn’t touch fractals because they where afraid of being banned for the OBVIOUSLY NOT INTENDED GAME PLAY people where using to play this content?

Everyone should be reset back to level 1 to even the playing field. It only makes sense!

<3

ReizVolle.5137:

So New players can get to 30 in about a week or 2 of heavy play. While others invest lots of time for the personal satisfaction of reaching the hard cap of fractals (80) and of course the end rewards such as those coming out. No real update (except of ninja fixes) with fractals for, what, 10 months? And now a complete change of the original system and a reset because of LEADERBOARDS? I’m pretty sure my pvp RANK LEVEL did not reset as system updates were install within the rank system, but my Fractal level has to? I would like to start off with running any level I want. Maybe with the new changes, 30 will be difficult… so maybe I would like to run a level 40…. With probably 1000 hours invested in Fractals, and basically level 80, along with many others, we basically get kitten on? " Oh because you kept doing Fractals cause you liked them so much and didn’t give up to the challenges that we had originally made fractals for, you get your level reduced!. Yay!" How long have we been getting S**T rewards? Have we stopped? Some got sick of waiting and waiting… “New fractal coming soon….” and others kept at it. I guess it was my own fault, this lesson has taught me not to try to advance in any aspect in the game, but to find a nice patch of grass and graze…. and be an obedient and happy…. “Moo”

Maybe you should afk fractals more. I heard its awesome. Getting carried like a boss.

Since my last post wasn’t constructive enough:

The only thing that happens here is trolling, raging and some combination of both I have yet to find a word to aptly describe. Odds are, there are more infractions spawning from this subforum than any other including the Living Story ones. There is simply no point to keep this going unless part of the endgame is to constantly report each other.

So again, I suggest this subforum be closed and moved to the Archive section so it can remain in stasis till such a time where actual dungeon content is put into place. Any discussion about the current dungeons and fractals can be conducted in the Living Story subfourm, as all current dungeon and fractal updates are tied to Living Story 2 week cycles, so it only makes sense for all discussion about them to take place in a single, centralized location.

<3

Mirsa.1628:

prowler.4530:

So I am a very good PVE/Dungeon Thief. I got 48 PR in fotm ( and so many pristine relics to make a man cry) and I have done every dungeon path with my thief several times.

Thieves do get a lot of hate. Guess what? Rightfully so!!!! Most thieves suck at dungeons because they are so use to the idea of zerker thief in wvw/pvp. I personally have zerker armor but my trinkets are more tanky based. This gives me very strong dps and a reasonable tank (16k HP). However, 16k HP is still very low and because of this thieves must know when to dodge/switch weapons more than any other class.

You can melee with D/D… that’s ok but realize that if your hp <50% or if the mobs/boss has huge melee dps you should probably back away and support your group with a SB. A good thief can go from melee back to range several times in a fight and never get downed whilst also providing some high end dps. Furthermore, people tend to hate SB thieves. In single mob encounters, the SB does decent dmg…. not d/d dmg but decent nevertheless. SB is more efficient with grouped up mobs because of how the sb bounces around targets.

Last but not least, thieves are great for niche parts of dungeons. Need a cloak? No problem! I mean thieves make dredge fractal bearable since they make using the control panel easy as well as they are great at soloing the bomb path.

Remember, when you play a thief in a dungeon you better be skilled or YOU WILL get das boot.

Your allocation should actually be the other way for maximum DPS – zerker trinkets and whatever armor fits your needs.

• 16k hp is rather high, not low.
• Maximum dps is achieved by using full berserker everything.
• Many things can be avoided without burning dodges, in melee range.
• You can still dodge at <50% hp.
• Not getting hit > tanking hits.
• …

Fossilized Amber.1352:

I play the thief exclusively in dungeons. I have been kicked once because the group wanted a “berserk only” party. Whatever that action amounts to is insignificant compared to the utility a thief can provide.

I run this in dungeons:

D/D (one dagger has superior sigil of corruption (condi damage on kill))
Superior Rune of the Antitoxin (-24% condi duration, +183 condi damage, might (x6) on poison or torment)
Apocethary armor (healing, +condi, +third attribute)
Signet of malice (works very well with death blossom)
Caltrops (good aoe bleed and cripple)
Signet of Infiltration (for init regen)
Blinding powder
Dagger storm

Traits are 0/0/25/30/15
Some of the traits are “assassins reward” (heal on init use), caltrops on roll, lose conditions while in stealth, ..

So the utility I bring to a party is superior bleed application (with death blossom), caltrops, and caltrops on dodge. I can also grant regen to allies using blinding powder (which also acts as a cover for a quick ress). Dagger storm is a great skill to block ranged attacks and give the team cover.

Don’t underestimate us.

^Yeah…. don’t do this.

Observe exhibit A:

Edit: pewpew…

drkmgic.9583:

this thread is so depressing since i’m making a theif

Fear not young thief! I’ll post some sexy ingame big numbers once I return to my computer to bring some cheer back into your newly depressed outlook! There is hope my child.

Cat Has Ducks.1982:

Black Box.9312:

Well, if you’re a good thief then it’s their loss for kicking you. Thief has some of the highest base DPS in the game, and can provide far more utility than just stealth.

In PUG land that’s like looking for a specific needle in a barrel of needles. It’s rare you find what you are looking for, and the process of even looking will cause you pain.

And that’s why you keep looking instead of touching.

<100bladez crits better ’n yalls, filthy wanna be thieves>

PSA: The plural of thief is thieves. Not thiefs, not thiefts nor thifs. Thank you.

Synesence.7546:

I can handle getting kicked. I just want the chat log to stay so I can increase my Blocked List.

Amen.

But yeah… If/when I do pug dungeons; thieves, necros, rangers and most engi’s are insta booted depended and how kitteny I feel. Moral of the story is… Don’t pug, don’t get kicked.

Xeraion.1582:

The problem with thiefs is, that if you got a good thief its no problem but if you got a bad thief you virtual playing with a four men party… they just die like flys.
It takes a good amount of time to play a thief really good and since you dont know if the thief is good you just avoid the risk in not taking one.

Bad players play badly on all classes though…

Elitists in dungeons stack on mobs and bosses, stack warriors, stack reflects, stack might, stack vuln, and even stack stacking sigils so they can stack faster. Stackception needs to come to an end, its terribly disgusting.

Liquid.5047:

Erebus.9276:

Rocking the new pistol~

looks rly nice

armory?

Its norn t3 with the monocle from the Aetherblade dungeon thing, last living story.

Does Excel wars 2 have better loot or something? I might be playing the wrong game :O

Rocking the new pistol~

You guys arguing numbers are kinda funny. So here’s a crappy pic of mine! This was a couple runs before the video.. but I think 30k+ is only possible in here with the frost spirit not that anyone cares or was wondering, yet.

>25/30/0/0/15<
Pewpewpew~

This thread needs pix!

15-20 Might/Vul… no bloodlust

Started with 5 people… 2 more logged in while we where finding our npcs… did t1 with 7 people had time to spare… hardest part is the wait while stuff builds…