Instead of going on and on and on and on about the “Manifesto” and what your personal ideals about what the game “should be”, why not just take it at face value? Most of your complaint is centered around stuff from a year ago instead of just evaluating the current content for what it is.
And if you don’t like the current content, don’t play it and instead go play the stuff you do like. And if there isn’t anything you do like, why are you wasting your time complaining here instead of finding some other game?
You are farming in a level 1 area… what did you expect? Those champs drop T1 Champ boxes which contain very little. If you want more mats, exotics, and lodestones you will need to kill lvl 80 champs.
I was farming with a group of 4, and every one of them gained more in the first half hour than I got in the full 3 hours. Those Queens champs were dropping lodestones and exotics aplenty (as evidenced by my group members’ constant chat shots after almost every champ).
I guess I’m not contradicting the OP so much as QQing about my consistently horrible RNG/bad luck. I think my account is marked for constant DR or something. (trying for clovers, I managed to get exactly 12 clovers out of 150 attempts, just as an example of stupid dumb random bad luck).
This is my favorite update yet.
I ran the loot train for 2 hours this morning when it first came out, and another hour this evening. Mostly with huge zergs farming Queensdale continuously. Probably killed 80-90 champions all told.
Result: about 4g (total, from every source)
0 lodestones
0 cores
0 exotics
2 rares — total
I did get some amount of T6 mats
All the rest was blue/green/trash, lower-level mats, and coin bags
WTF is my roi so frikkin’ horrible compared to everyone else? Does Anet hate me, or am I just the unluckiest mother in the history of the universe?
What? No love for ET owning SM for all of 2 minutes before the barbarians at the gate crashed the party? This was a monumental achievement for us!
I’ve read some horrible matchup threads that made me want to gouge my eyes out.
This one puts all of those to complete shame.
Worst. Thread. Ever.
I like pancakes, but Pancakez is just a forum troll and not to be fed, other than to note that I’m glad he admits to spawn camping so I can put him in with the rest of the kittens from SF. Good job fitting in, you and SF are a match made in hell.
The response from the rest of GoM to the ZL exodus reminds me of why I like them, despite the huge numbers disparity. If I’m going to be rolled by huge zergs all week, I much prefer it be GoM instead of HoD or SF.
This is SO not the matchup we wanted or deserve. Only thing worse would have been ET/SF/HoD. I probably would have passed for the week on that one
It’s as much kittenry as it is stupidity. They do it because they know they can bully us with pure numbers…and they’re kittens.
Camping our spawn in EB…keep it classy, SF. Don’t know why I expected any better of you than HoD.
Great fight last night on SF borderlands in the SW corner. We had a group of maybe 15 (mostly PK) take the tower and camp and started trebbing bay from the tower just for funsies and to see what that would draw out. It worked ;-)
First we were skirmishing even numbers just outside the camp, then the SF group just kept growing and growing. The battle moved back and forth for a long time, with neither side able to smash through. Eventually the SF zerg just grew too big for our dozen or so and we were forced back into the tower.
We set up some AC in the tower, then looked out into an absolute sea of red as far as the eye could see. We had stirred up the hornet’s nest, all right. There were 50 SF out there at least, and possibly more, around all sides of the tower. Still we held out for a little longer before the gate went down and the swarm flowed through.
From the first skirmishes to the loss of the tower was at least 20 minutes and may have been quite a bit more; I lost track of the time. But it was one of the best large fights I’ve ever seen in WvW. Thanks to all on both sides for the support and/or loot bags (and you’re welcome in advance for the one I provided as well).
I’m from AR, and I haven’t done any boasting.
If your attitude is going to continue to be one of “well, we’re the sheriff around here and if we want to give you an “attitude adjustment” then we will”, hey, that’s totally your choice to make. I’m not sure how continually camping our EB spawn, or continuing to focus on us while leaving the other server alone does that, but hey, I’ve tried to come here and explain what’s going on. A few forum posters do NOT represent the entire body of the server. Apparently that message is falling on deaf ears. So be it.
@Sioux, 3 days of being spawn camped has gotten a few of us a bit “cranky”. While we generally remain polite and courteous on the field, if you happen to have been one of the SF that spawn camped us and got spiked, then, well, you likely got danced on.
I’ve seen at least one post that claims spawn-camping is a valid tactic. If PPT is all that matters to you, then absolutely it is! Don’t even let the other team on the field of battle! We don’t do that, even when we were in T5 and playing down-level servers, because we feel it’s cheap, but if that’s your thing, then have at it.
We won’t stop fighting, and we WILL keep coming at you, regardless of how hard you try to get us to do otherwise. We’re Anvil Rock.
Thorson, you’re responding to posts from ET people, not SF.
On a different note, I really don’t understand spawn camping. I can’t imagine it is “fun” for the campers, and it totally ruins the fun for the afflicted, since they can’t do anything they go into WvW for. If it’s purely a “win at all costs” rationale — this is T8, and a game to boot, and there aren’t any substantial rewards for winning a matchup anyway. So why? Who is this tactic good for?
Finally, have to love anyone whose signature includes “Slayer of HoD”. Hope you get matched up with them next time. Kick their arses for me, wouldya? ;-)
I feel for AR. We’ve had our share of defections in the past, but I think that’s made the core that’s stuck through it very resilient. We’ve been down here so long our expectations are realistic, and while we do get frustrated at time when there are big zergs stopping us at every turn on every map, I don’t think there is any quit left in us.
If AR really is in T8 for the long haul (and the FC/ET/AR matchup could be the one we’ve all been looking for), then all you really need to do is wrap your head around some new goals and take what the maps and the other servers give you rather than banging your head against SM or that one keep you just can’t quite get. Sanity is a precious thing.
SF certainly came to play. Holy crap, how do you have 4-6 zergs each at least as big as the best single zerg we can muster?
Wait, don’t answer that.
Trying to take a camp by myself, ambushed while engaged by SF stealth group from XE. Thanks for the laughs with your continuous emotes over my corpse aggrandizing your x vs 1 kill, even the guy who had nothing to do with killing me. Keep it classy, XE.
But what it sounds like you and others really need is for ANet to give you a map that contains some terrain and perhaps some basic mobs and resource nodes and then define sides by guild and/or party such that anyone in another guild and/or party is red and fair game. This should be fairly simple for ANet to do. They could take the 5 starting maps, which are fairly large and diverse in terrain, and get rid of all of the events an everything other than (A) the basic mobs, (B) the resource nodes (expanded in range to cover all six tiers), © the jumping puzzles, and (D) the terrain and let every server enter to have open GvG and PvP fights on their own terms. Or is that still totally misunderstanding what you want?
I wonder if maybe an instanced area like this, with most or all of the PPT objectives removed and requirement for party membership to enter, would give the 5-man groups a place to all gather and go after each other without fear of true zergs coming in? Maybe limit access to a set number of parties so you couldn’t have a bunch of parties ally to form a virtual zerg. Soloists could still join as 1-man parties, but they’d know exactly what they’re getting into, and PAXA and like-minded groups could find all the group fights without the baggage associated with the bigger WvW world.
Disable the downed state while you’re at it, I think. Or maybe that’s asking too much ;-)
BTW, even though I find the argument that a 5-man group should be able to wipe a 30-man zerg a bit silly and unrealistic, I would like to see the 5-man AoE cap lifted or expanded if possible, and I do think the downed mechanic is very flawed, at least in PvP. If ANet can bring themselves to rethink those specific implementations, and this gives a very good 5-man group a chance to win a battle against a poorly-led group 3 times their size, then I would applaud that. I’m just not holding my breath, as it seems the cap is a practical rather than an idealistic issue, and they do seem married to their downed state implementation. I really wish there was a straightforward way to eliminate that in PvP situations, though.
However, when you put PAXA vs a pug zerg of more than 30 people, PAXA will still lose (unless the zerg is utterly terrible) even though PAXA clearly has better skill and organization. THIS SHOULD NOT BE THE CASE!!!
I have to disagree with this idea. IRL, 5 vs 30 should almost always be a wipe for the 5 in real open-field battle with no chokepoints, etc. The 30 would have to be completely clueless to blow that kind of advantage.
5 vs 10, where the 5 are significantly better? I can buy that. But asking for 5 good players to be able to beat 30 players who aren’t total spazzes is asking for “balance” that doesn’t make sense. And if it gets so balanced that 5 can beat 30, why not 5 vs 60? 5 vs 100? 5 vs infinity? At what point does reality set in and stop this god-like group of 5 from being able to beat any number of less-god-like characters in a pitched battle?
And deny it all you want, Berk is exactly right: The best way to send new or inexperienced players straight to the zerg is to ambush them solo with your 4-5 man group (and maybe emote over their corpse like you just accomplished some real manly feat). That’s precisely the lesson I learned about the 3rd time I got stealth-ambushed by 5-man KoM/Paxa groups while roaming for pois early in my WvW career. I learned it was no fun dying without a prayer while roaming, and the only safety was in numbers. The 3rd time I didn’t even bother to res immediately, and instead watched as the KoM group waited around, stealthed whenever they saw a solo coming, and repeated. I hope it was fun for them, cause it sure wasn’t for me and probably not for the other solos they stomped.
As for the emoting, I never actually saw PAXA do this — but I kitten sure saw KoM do it, multiple times. In fact I got that crap far more often from HoD in general than any other server we’ve played.
Edit: OK, Shademehr made almost the same argument right before me. Redundancy Redundancy
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This has nothing whatsoever to do with “killing people in a PvP zone”. There was no killing being done. There is no honest WvW at all. This wasn’t a fight. It was one guy kitten ing people off for no good reason whatsoever.
If you think that’s cool, you’re a kittening kitten too.
There are a lot of absolute kittening kittens on this forum.
Dear Mezmereyes (Sorrow’s Furnace, Guild GBD or very similar):
Yesterday in the EB JP, you met up with our party and joined us, promising our leader non-aggression in return for showing you how to get through part of the puzzle. She was out ahead of the rest of us at the time, and after she got you where you wanted to be, you promptly pushed her off the perch.
You then spent the next 45 minutes camped out in a safe place on high, using Focus #4 to knock off anyone who got within range of you.
We finally got enough ET people to flood the area such that you couldn’t get us all off, we got through and promptly killed you.
Note that no one died from those falls, so you weren’t getting any loot bags. The only possible benefit to you would have been some perverse pleasure at kitten ing people off for 45 minutes. This makes you a vile human being in my eyes, the lowest of the low, despicable beyond belief. Behind every toon you continued to grief for no reason whatsoever is a real person at a real computer wasting 45 minutes of his real life because you somehow get your jollies off other people’s misery.
You, sir, owe every person you griefed 45 minutes of their lives back.
I do not hold this against SF. In fact, we ended up running with a group from LORD who were perfectly nice and respectful. I’m not even holding it against your entire guild. However, know that any mesmer I see from GBD (or similar) will become target #1 immediately for me and everyone you griefed.
Griefing for loot bags is one thing. Griefing from a safe spot for no tangible reason is a different thing entirely. And partying with someone to get their help getting to the safe spot, and then turning around and griefing them is beyond the pale. I have never seen such despicable behavior before in GW2, and I hope never to see it again.
I feel left out. Can a neutral person with an objective voice tell us what happened?
IoJ has been ZergvOutmanned for so long, I didn’t know someone can complain when it happens to them
Apparently you haven’t met HoD.
This match up is making me like ET more and more, yall have some good organization, fearless, pretty darn good timing and inventive… and you dont result to passive aggressive attacks on people.
My favorite server to fight in some time.
I think I can return the sentiment. I’d love to see a DR/GoM/ET matchup where the vast majority of players (and posters) are respectful and good-humored. You can fight hard without being dirty, you can lose without QQing, and you can win without taunting.
You should know that we took your keep just to teach you a lesson and we didn’t even defended it so you can retake it again.
Too bad I have no screen shot of the dialogues.
IoJ Player 1: “ET are retaking their keep. 10-12 people. 1 ram down.”
IoJ Player 2: “Do we build ACs?”
Commander: “Nah, don’t defend it, wp to SM, let them have it and MAYBE they will get the message. Let’s retake (insert DR tower/camp here).”
(Not actual conversation but it always goes something like that….)Check it out then tell me if I’m lying.
Stating that you’re “teaching us a lesson” and that it’s only because you’re pure of heart that you allow us to exist at all instead of just stomping us into bolivian is not going to earn you any friends here. We don’t appreciate being told to basically “learn our place”.
That said, I think any talk of either server specifically targeting us because we’re perceived to be low-hanging fruit is not supported by the evidence. Sometimes it feels that way when we have nothing in EB and our own BL is being assaulted by zergs on both sides, but it’s obvious that IoJ and DR are going at each other just as zealously. They aren’t HoD, after al.
We are playing some inspired WvW this week. With correct timing, we can get enough people together to take SM, if the other guys are busy elsewhere (such as ravaging our BL). But we’re not to the point where we can take and hold SM for any length of time while keeping our own BL clean the way IoJ has been doing much of the week so far. We are not able to produce multiple zergs of good size.
But we are inching closer to that point. Baby steps and progress, and I’m pretty proud so far of what we’ve been able to do this week against the 17/21 servers.
BTW, nothing more frustrating than dying in SM with an absolute pile of loot bags around you, and by the time you get back they’re all gone :-(
Just want to say that I enjoy this matchup more than most we’ve had recently even though we are usually outnumbered by both servers. And WAY more than anything involving HoD.
I find this post totally paradoxical you accuse him of being elite and then go spew out this rap sheet of your awsomesauce like its supposed to impress people. I have played this game for a while, not since launch mind you and I got 9 chara’s of which only three are 80 and just my main has finished gear. does this make me suck. no cuz I went into this dngn with some friends on the release day found the dungeon to be real challenging and entertaining (few wipes here or there) but you know what we got the achievements by the end of the night and now we run it for monocles and still have fun. its not perfect but if I had a choice I would do this every day over cof p1 hands down. As the person you ridiculed stated your “bad” and I will raise him one L2P. just cuz this dungeon is not a zerk fest and involves spatial awareness and actual thought doesn’t make it a bad dungeon quite the opposite in fact. enjoy the challenge and grow a pair mate.
You might want to learn the meaning of the term “ridiculed”. I’m the one being ridiculed, yet you have the gall to try to paint me as the attacker. Your attacks are personal and insulting, and I have 2 very choice words for you.
Not necessarily.
Anonymity tends to change the way people act, most notably enhancing boldness.
Even the most introvert, timid person has the potential to be troll or griever when hiding behind anonymity. The lack of repercussions gives them the confidence to act online in ways they wouldn’t in real life
While there is certainly some truth to this, if the only thing keeping people from being kittens in real life are the “repercussions” (jail time, getting beat up), then they are kittens. And if the person sitting at the computer derives pleasure from causing others annoyance or aggravation (or generating any negative emotion for that matter), then that person is an kitten. The things that give someone pleasure do not change 180 degrees just because that person sat down at a computer.
Better than finding cheap areas to stand where they can kill players/chill them at opportune moments to make them fall, with no actual benefit others than stroking their egos. If they were in locations where I could fight them fairly, I wouldn’t have an issue. I play sPVP all the time, I don’t dislike PVP. I dislike cheap, meaningless kills for the sole purpose of ruining an experience for other players, then /laughing and /dancing on their bodies. The entire purpose behind that kind of behavior is to be obnoxious to other players, NOT grabbing loot bags, NOT competing for the achievement, and NOT for blueprints/whathaveyou. If you think otherwise, you are deluded.
But I guess I expected too much.
This x1000.
This isn’t about loot bags, defending chest/blueprints, or advancing your server’s interest in WvW. This is about deriving pleasure from causing other people misery. If you get your rocks off doing this, you are absolutely the kind of person I want nothing to do with IRL. You are what’s wrong with the world. You are the teenager (in mentality if not age) who runs up and down the street at night slashing tires for no reason other than to kitten off a bunch of people.
This is about a lot more than jumping puzzles and achievements. It’s about a mindset that is too prevalent in the world today where as long as I get what I want, it doesn’t matter how many people I hurt to get it. Don’t tell me RL <> GW2 in this respect, because good-hearted people don’t come on GW2 and grief others. You don’t become a completely different person in GW2 with a completely different outlook and personality. If you’re an kitten in GW2, you are almost certainly an kitten in life.
It’s not a matter of classes, because the only stability we had was 6 seconds from SYG.
I’m sorry to break it to you, but the reason your party wiped is because you’re bad (this always sounds harsher than it is supposed to, I mean no offense)
Nothing wrong with that, it depends on how much you play the game and depends on your MMO experience in general as well. But what you’re stating in your post is just completely false.
Sigh. Another This2Easy USuck L2PNoob post.
FYI I have over 1600 hours and have leveled all 8 classes to 80 and have spent enough time in game to equip them all in full exotics through various means,mostly just by playing the game and farming. I have completed numerous dungeons, and though many of the paths (SEP2, ACP2) are long, grindy, and difficult, none were less fun or more frustrating than this one.
I am not a bad player. This is a badly-designed dungeon.
Once you grasp the concept, you can do it without dying
That is simply false.
We figured out the concept and the mechanics after our first complete wipe. After that, we always got to the final phase (both walls and laser beam), and we knew exactly how they worked and exactly what we were supposed to do — and we wiped 12 more times over the course of 45 minutes. We always got to the final phase, and we never got remotely close to getting through that phase. All natural 80s (no uplevels), all in full exotic gear/food/buffs/etc.
This is all about pure luck and/or having a class that can run permastability. We didn’t have that, and we were constantly dying as soon as our temp stability ran out and the golems pulled us into their wall and wailed on us while we were stunned. 12 times, every single member.
That isn’t fun, there was nothing new to learn or adapt to, it was just a matter of not having the right class there or the luck to not always be targeted while stability was up. That was just utter frustration, and I will never attempt this dungeon again. I would rather spend 2 hours rolling through razor blades and plunging into jalapeno juice.
they were RAMING the GATE and thouse 2 got inside attacking the champion lord too bad i was there and kill them so no there was no mesmer to port them in but donst really matter i just see ET do it SO often in EB lately as long u guys are having fun all that matters
God, you are an insufferable kitten . A prime example of why I hate HoD far more than any other server I’ve ever had the misfortune of encountering.
So…. let me get this straight. PvP happened in a PvP zone right?
As much as I hate JP’s in general and the fact that an achievement is tied to this (guessing it’s part of the meta or something from the posts here), it’s a PvP area meant for PvP.
So don’t complain about PvP happening where it should be happening.
Did you even read the post immediately above yours? It eloquently and convincingly makes the case against this bullkitten camp-griefing practice being employed by so many complete kittens.
And yes, if you are participating in this as a griefer, you are a full-fledged kitten as far as I’m concerned. Deriving pleasure from causing other people misery makes you an epic failure as a human being.
im www player…. complite this dungeon wis 0 wpes in 34 minets. Very easy
I’m upleveled 30 thief with blue armor, did by myself without wipe in 15 minutes, all of u just suck l2p
See how easy it is to post this kind of kitten? See how little it adds to the conversation?
If this was done to get PvE players into WvW, I guarantee they did it exactly the wrong way. It will have the opposite effect, as it just illustrates perfectly how frustrating WvW is when you’re outnumbered.
Comparing griefing pve players in the JP to defending a tower is preposterous on the face of it. All you get is cheap kills, which does zero to help your server gain WvW points. In fact it hurts your server, since you’re in there instead of actually doing productive fighting in the real WvW. 50 of you in there ganking non WvW players means 50 fewer out there defending or taking map objectives.
I blame Anet for putting a PvE achievement into a WvW area, and I blame WvW players who are grieving for the sake of grieving. Schadenfreude is an extremely ugly character trait.
I AWSUM U SUCK L2P NOOB posts make me want to commit mass homicide.
Golem final phase is luck. Pure luck. Either you get pulled into a wall and die, or you don’t. I have 2 forms of stability but they only cover me about 1/3 of the time, and somehow I was always getting pulled and killed while they were on CD. Our group of all 80s in full exotics wiped well over a dozen times in 2 hours and never got through that mid-boss. It was not a matter of not thinking, it was not a matter of not knowing what we were supposed to do — it was a matter of not being able to mind-read the golems and know when they were about to stun each particular player so he could throw his stability at the right moment.
Dungeons that require thinking are fun. After 1 hour and a half-dozen wipes, this completely ceased to be fun.
That depends entirely on what you’re trying to get out of the salvage items. Specific mats, or specific tiers of rare mats? Ectos? Are you trying to craft, sell raw mats on the TP, etc?
Come to ET (motto: “we’re never green”). We almost took Stonemist last night.
So you’re complaining about a server that is severely outpopulated by both of its opponents this week using whatever resources they do have to defend their own borderlands? I’m the one saying “WoW”
I suppose you think ET should just give up and let SF and HoD fight over the spoils.
Actually, we do because otherwise when you open your map it says 99% in big, giant, condescending letters. And yes, they get bigger. And yes, they become very, very condescending. Either that or my OCD kicks in and punches me.
LOL, I think that may just be you ;-)
Have you done the latest living story? A waypoint got added to Divinity’s reach with the latest patch, it’s in a bar somewhere in the eastern commons.
Thanks, that was it. I visited that earlier, but with a different alt.
What’s annoying is that I have 99.999999% WC — I’m missing a single vista in the green keep area in the Eternal Borderlands, but because my server has never been green, we’ve never controlled that area (at least not while I’ve been online). So because I don’t officially have WC, every time they add a new bit of content with a WP or a POI, I have to go back and find it or else I won’t get WC when/if I finally do get that elusive Vista. But anyone who already has WC doesn’t have to go through this rigamarole. Drives me nuts.
I know, everyone wants to know where those missing items are on the map. This one really stumps me.
721/722 POIs.
In WvW, I have 100% of all POIs on each map.
In PvE, I’ve checked each and every map (including city maps), and it shows 100% of all items, including POIs
I have the POI in the Order of Whispers instance
Either there is a POI in an instance other than the OoW one that doesn’t show on any map, or one of the newest POIs they’ve added doesn’t show on any map.
Any suggestions for that elusive last POI?
Last night 2 of us captured the NE camp in the HoD BL and set up a treb nearby to bomb the Crag. Caught someone by surprise because I got a loot bag. Then the HoD hornet’s nest buzzed us and kitten our fun :-(.
Really should have taken a screen of that…
Um sorry sir, I believe that the word “tier” doesn’t exist anymore when referring to the guild wars 2 ranking system. I believe the match-ups are a bit more randomized…. if you havent realized seeing as how we played BP last week…. HoD would fair perfectly fine against DR and maybe NSP, or it’ll be a lot more of a closer match-up than what you’re giving us right now :P and yes…. I did spill icing on my arrow carts…
What arrogance and irony, considering all the whining HoD was doing about being outnumbered when you guys were fighting BP. There’s nothing more heinous than the bullied turning around and acting like arrogant bullies when the shoe is on the other foot.
I am a little curious about the FC/ET feelings about the new matchup system. Is it an improvement for you guys or just a wash? It seemed like the first week when you got split, it gave you much more an opportunity to shine because you could capitalize on the fights between the other servers, something that is less present when you’re in the same matchup – but I could be wrong. Unfortunately, even with the new system the odds aren’t great of that but they are better than before, nonetheless.
Speaking only for myself, I like the new stuff a little better, for 2 reasons.
First, no matter who the 3rd in our group is, we’re going to get overrun. There’s ET & FC, and there’s everyone else, whose WvW presence outnumbers us at least 3-1 in my experience. The 3rd now seems to rotate between HoD, GoM, and SF, but that seems far better IMO than the stale SF-FC-ET matchup we had for weeks on end. Maybe someday we’ll get a different 3rd Server in to stomp us ;-).
Second, the rotating (random?) color switching means I may have a snowball’s chance of getting WC if — IF — we ever get green. So far we haven’t been lucky the way FC has, but if it’s truly random that 33% chance should happen in about 12 weeks or so (basing this on my personal luck :-o ).
sorry to report but, most of us on GoM disagreed with giving up points to the ET/FC that needed map completion. it’s caused a lot of infighting that will most likely continue.
What’s this about? I was in WvW last night for hours and didn’t hear anything about it. And I’m still sitting one one single POI for WC just like I have been for weeks (I’ve never been on a server that was green for even one week).
I followed the personal story when leveling, and whatever map that took me to I would clear while I was there, then move on to the next one. Then it was easy to go back and clear most of the remaining maps once the story was done.