Guild Wars 2

I’ve been a rather rabid WvW player since launch, but I have to say that since SoR got into T1, I’ve been bored to tears. Actually, it’s not so much our being in T1 if I look at it objectively. It’s the change in server mentality.

We have literally a few dozen commanders. It seems I see 2 or 3 new ones every day. Most of them are absolutely awful. Even some of the “old guard” commanders ought to think about taking a break and letting people with new ideas lead for a while.

We absolutely do not learn from our mistakes. You’re either blind or in denial if you cannot accept the fact that we are always, always in a rush. We always want to capture. We take forever to siege up our keeps and towers (when we actually bother to at all). We repeatedly fall for obvious portal bombs. And my favorite of course, “Woodhaven is under attack!” “Ok, we’re going to finish taking this tower and then build and align our treb, then we’ll be right there”.

Someone trebbing us? Don’t rush the treb, BUILD A COUNTER TREB!
Well defended tower? Don’t split into groups to feint and draw defenders off…BUILD A TREB!!!
Someone keeps taking Gods? BUILD A TREB IN WH AND TREB THE CAMP!

There are good people on SoR, exceedingly good bordering on exemplary. However, most nights, I almost feel like apologizing to JQ for some of our poor tactical decisions and varied stupidities.

Echelon.7026:

@FractalChaos plz dont be “calling it” when the week begins, thats by far the greatest Taboo to do in almost any game espiecally for your server

Apologies if I offended you; I wasn’t trying to tell you that you’d be stuck in 3rd. It was more a case of me telling my own server, SoR, not to expect a shot at 1st (which, oddly, many people still did this week).

We (SoR) need to go back down to tier 3 or 4. For now, it’s where we belong. There’s a lot for the “regulars” on SoR to learn, and that process was short-circuited by the steady influx of players we had 5-6 weeks back. It made many of our commanders think we’rebetter than we really are.

Aieo.2815:

@FractalChaos

That’s one of the few things we noticed. Divide and conquer is one of the oldest strategies in the book and your server doesn’t appear to adapt it over the last 3 battles we faced with each other.

As for the score, most of us SoSers don’t care if we placed second or third. We are here to have fun and kick kitten

I want to have fun too, and I don’t mind one single bit if SoR loses, as long as I feel like we’re either a) playing well, or b) getting better. I haven’t gotten either of those feelings in weeks now.

Winning consecutive matches because of our superior numbers or because the other servers gave up does not make SoR skilled, nor does it mean we’re improving.

I have no intention of moving off of SoR, and I find that those who did are even less desirable than the “fairweather transfers” who came here for a week or two then transferred off.

Speaking only for myself, I’ve lost all motivation to play in WvW anymore. I can see that SoR has pretty much peaked, from an organizational point of view. It’s the same pattern, the same predictable and reactionary mindset every single day, every single matchup. Lessons go unlearned, mistakes are repeated despite cries of “We’re getting better!”

No, we’re not. Look at what happens when those guilds which transferred over during or after our T3 matches against Darkhaven and Yak’s Bend leave; we end up dominated, running around trying to defend against a server (SoS) which is attacking four objectives at once…and there isn’t a single bit of adjustment on our part. We just keep doing the same thing, hoping it’ll all work itself out and complaining about their “superior numbers”.

I don’t mean to be a killjoy, especially with the match being all of 35 minutes old and whatnot, but…what exactly makes you think the results will be any different this time?

SoS 1st.
SoR 2nd.
IoJ 3rd.

Calling it now.

The truth is that the SoS guilds themselves aren’t what did in SoR. I’ve killed just as many PRX as I killed FoE or Sexy, and no one SoS guild has particularly impressed me, PRX included. No, what really did us in is a combination of better-than-average-but-not-great cohesion by the Sea of Sorrows server as a whole,and a complete breakdown of discipline and organization by the Sanctum of Rall server as a whole.

Just for giggles, fellow SoR players…when is the last time you saw our server essentially “throw in the towel” as we’ve done in this matchup, offering only token (or no) resistance (no queues anywhere anytime anymore) as we’ve done in this matchup?

Skill hasn’t won us past matches, grit and determination has. Remember that.

Laundry.5120:

ComeAndSee.1356:

SoR isn’t tier 1 material until we get start getting some WvW guilds to step up. Right now we’re mainly pugs following commanders and it’s a handicap when trying to be flexible on the field. Basically we’re stuck reacting more than taking the initiative because all the pugs follow one commander.

PRX basically runs the show once they hit the field because #1. they’re freaking huge and #2. they got very good commanders on VOIP. I remember them on HoD and they were my #2 choice of a guild I wanted to join.

People, most new and some old, seem to forget that SoR got attention not because we dominated or had 24/7 coverage, but that our T3/4 matches (Darkhaven/Shiverpeaks) were awesome by all accounts.

They were awesome, but it’s WHY they were awesome that got us all the transfers, apparently. People let the wins go to their heads. SoR wasn’t winning matches because we were “highly skilled” or incredibly organized.

We were winning because we absolutely refused to quit. The players we had were the same ones, week after week, and I- speaking only for myself -used to throw myself at the enemy endlessly to push them away from a friend, or stand under tons of AC fire to rez someone. I didn’t care about repair costs, and I spent myself broke buying siege BPs and staying up for 14 hours to play just because I didn;t want SoR to lose, or let my friends down.

Now?

I don’t know half the people in the borderlands, and based on their chat and attitude, I don’t want to. People fail to realize when a fight is lost and instead pull some macho “NO WE CAN DO THIS” crap, wasting our time and efforts. We make the same mistakes as we did back in tier 4, even though we’ve improved (but not as much as people think).

Bottom line? In sports terminology, SoR should be considered a server of “grinders”; we were tough, we never gave up, but we didn’t win based on skills or being naturally gifted; we won on heart and guts.

I just feel like we’ve forgotten that.

Caveat: Many people from SoR will probably pipe up to shout me down or disagree with me, quoting the score and whatnot, but at this time I no longer care. This is my opinion; you can dispute it, but it isn’t inherently wrong.

Not to be defeatist here (I prefer to think of myself as a steely-eyed realist!) but I’m calling it now; we, SoR, have no prayer of winning against SoS, and should drop down a tier or two in order to get our act together.

Part of it is the lack of a serious night time presence (looks like we got our wish and got rid of/lost many of the “fair weather” transfers we had gotten over the previous 2 weeks) but mostly, it’s a serious lack of organization. I sort of chuckle when I see other servers talking about SoR’s organization; I assure you, it’s not really so.

SoR has got to learn the very basic lessons (still!) of when to attack and when NOT to attack, and how to properly defend its holdings. When I see SoS, for example, attacking both Garrison and Ascension Bay (?) simultaneously, as they did last night, and managing to take AB and almost take Garrison, while at the same time fighting near one of our supply camps on the other side of the map…well let’s just say I can already picture the “Go here! No wait, go there and defend that! NO XXX UNDER ATTACK, ALL HERE!” chatter in map chat long before it happens.

Kudos SoS, you are more organized and much mmore practiced in WvW. SoR should be trying to learn more from you than just gimmicky tricks to speed cap objectives. Sadly, for now, the lessons are not really sinking in.

“…yes people have joined but some are very good guilds and have contributed significantly to this server already…”

I like 1 or 2 of the guilds who joined us 2 weeks ago. All the guilds that have joined for this week’s matchup, however, would make me terribly happy by just leaving again.

I welcome this loss. SoR players had become complacent even before this matchup started, and this is the stubbed toe we needed to shock us out of that (I hope).

For whatever reason, people seem to get their knickers in a knot whenever you suggest that what they’re doing…isn’t optimal. It’s seen as a personal attack or some such, when in fact you’re just trying to point out that what they’re doing isn’t working, that maybe they’d like to try something else…

These are the two greatest issues facing SoR right now, and correcting these would go a long way towards making us a better server. Kindly loosen your knickers…

ONE: Cohesion
This is SoR’s greatest hurdle. Three “community” voice chat options are being pushed right now on SoR; Raidcall, Teamspeak, and Mumble. It’s inneficient to fracture our resources like this, and it’s confusing the PUGs to no end; the large WvW guilds need to swallow their pride or stow their ego, pick one, and stick with it…and they need to do it soon.

As an addition to this; PUGs, you players need to get on these servers and pay attention to commander orders. Stow your egos and your “Why should I listen to him/her?” drama and do it.

TWO: Defensive Strategy
In short, SoR needs one. I can’t believe the number of times I’ve toured our borderland and seen keeps and towers with no defensive weaponry setup. In fact, undefended locations are the norm for SoR. Then, when an attack DOES come, the predictable occurs and PUGs scramble, trying to build a dozen arrow carts, or catapults, or ballistae, with the 100 supply in the tower…and end up with a dozen half finished arrow carts, catapults, and ballistae.

The use of force multipliers like siege weapons would make defending a keep or tower so much easier. An arrow cart gives one player the defensive capabilities of two players; the more carts you have, the greater the effect. Toss in some ballistas and one or two catapults (for dealing with enemy siege placement attempts), and your tower is now a veritable challenge to take, even for a large enemy “zerg”.

But you have to build that stuff BEFORE THE ATTACK OCCURS, not as it’s happening. Capture a tower or keep, and immediayely start putting down siege weapons. Lots of them. It may seem “boring” but it’s the difference between the best servers and us.

Learn this SoR, or keep working five times as hard as the enemy to achieve the same results…

PRXKV.1296:

An open letter to the non-NA’s on Sea of Sorrows (ie Oceanics etc).

You put out the call to your server for NA guilds. You touted your WvW tenacity and ability and wanted help to make SoS more competitive in WvW. [PRX] and other NA guilds (RMA, FoE, TSym, AoI etc) answered the call and many of you welcomed us in a friendly fashion.

Our first match with Maguuma and Dragonbrand ended in 6 hours before you even woke up. We did a 100% cap in EB and our NA brothers did amazing work on their maps and Maguuma and Dragonbrand gave up – all while you were asleep.

This current matchup began in an epic fashion. Through the weekend the three-way fights were incredible. Sure, there were some anomolies with transfers and orb hacks, but the match was incredibly fun and competitive. We turned EB 100% blue twice in that time and again, our NA partners put in hard, skilled work on their maps. As a guild we were in all-call the entire time and used more than 50 golems (not a typo, fifty) and hundreds of other siege weapons and did our job for the server.

Even with NA coverage that was only good enough to hold 3 of the 4 maps and virtually never a queue even for EB, as of 10pm Eastern time last night (Monday), we had a lead of 8k, fully upgraded Stonemist and our corner of EB. On our borderlands, FoE, RMA, TSyn and AoI earned many fully upgraded castles, towers and orbs. Also as of 10pm Eastern time last night the ppt was +455 SoS, +215 SoR and +25 CD even with one full borderland capped by SoR and noone from NA on it (due to not having enough coverage).

And then frankly, the non-NAs kitten it all away for candy corn.

By now anyone watching the match saw what happened after we passed the torch to you. While Lion’s Arch had overflow during your prime time, all the WvW maps had outmanned buffs and our tick fell to +20.

This puts [PRX] in a tough position. We are in our prime and want to strive and move onward and upward on the ladder. We do not want to server hop. We didn’t want to leave Henge, but everyone quit on us and left us to fight (which we did) JQ alone. We don’t want to leave SoS, but we want to know that at least a few folks have our back. Honestly, on a full server with 3-4000 people playing, it isn’t too much to ask that 10-15% of those are in WvW.

We want to make SoS our home and work to build it. But when you (non-NA) folks quit on us as a whole, disrespect the blood, time and treasure we put into your server, we contemplate our options. We do not want to relegate ourselves to just moral victories, ie “Sure, we are in 3rd place, but boy we really owned that supply camp!”

We don’t ask for greatness, we ask simply for effort. No server should ever drop past +180-200 ppt if they are actively trying, even if they are outclassed.

To conclude, this is a request to those on SoS. If you are a WvW player and/or guild, show your heart and get out there and fight. Losing after putting up a good fight is nothing to be ashamed of, but losing because you’re afraid to fight or because of silly candy corn is unacceptable if you wish your server to be good at WvW. Your NA guilds will find a server with some sisters and brothers that will actually stand with them in a scrap.

Tomorrow at our NA prime time, [PRX] will re-evaluate the non-NA of SoS. If you show up and fight between now and then and show some determination and desire to WvW, we will look to the future and stand with you. If you continue to chase down candy corn and shy away from combat, we will weigh other options. If SoS is truly just a server of PvEers, then so be it, own up to it and we will make choices based on this and will respect your playstyle.

My sincere hope is that last night was just an anomoly and you come to your senses and realize SoS can be an up and coming WvW server and you get back to fighting.

Thanks for your time

KV

GM of [PRX] The Professionals, since 1999

www.prx-guild.com

Wow that’s a lot of verbiage. Anyway…

I’m going to say this; if you ever want to see what real, honest-to-goodness “Never quit” attitude is all about, come to SoR for just one day and play with us. I’m almost ashamed to admit that several times when I was ready to throw in the towel, other Rallers showed me that when you don’t quit, amazing things can happen. I invite you to come and see this for yourself only so you can see that it is not “chest beating”, it’s indeed true.

Sanctum of Rall may not be the top WvW server out there, but it is the most tenacious and its guilds never, ever, ever give up.

Longtime SoR player here.

Reading this thread in its entirety (and basing oneself of off previous thread for our last 4 matchups), all I see is:

1- SoR is a server full of hackers and that’s why they win.

2- We were leading in points and now SoR is gaining on us; not only are they a bunch of hackers, but they must have gotten more transfers.

I’m not even interested in our server’s (SoR) WvW anymore, and I have 500+ hours logged in WvW so far. I was having much more fun when we were clawing our way back from being behind in points.

This…this isn’t even fun.

SoR player here.

I’m seeing some very worrisome trends in this week’s matchup.

1- Too many commanders. I saw 6 in SoS’s BL tonight, none in CD’s and none in our own home BL.

2- Queue times have gone from non to average to high in just 2 weeks. Where we would wait not at all or maybe 5-10 minutes before, now I can wait 2-4 hours in North American prime time.

3- Complacency. SoR’s past successes were built on a foundation of “Take and hold” as much as possible. We fought tooth and nail to keep our keeps and towers unless we knew they were doomed from the start.

Now however…with all these new guilds coming in, it’s become “Ah we’ll just retake it”. Filled with expensive siege and costly upgrades? No problem. We’ll just retake it…

It’s a crappy way to play, and I feel it’s going to lose us this match.

Oheson.2319:

Hey SoR. It will be interesting to see how you fight when you don’t have 4 to 1 odds. At no time this week did we have even or even down 2 to 1 on every battle.

lol. But..but you guys are uber so you should be able to overcome.

I’m fully expecting SoR to come in 2nd in this matchup; by how many points I’m not sure. Then again, if we win I’m sure that once again- for the 5th week in a row now -the opposition will claim it was due to server transfers. It’s ok, I’m used to it by now.

Darkothe.1253:

Yeah. If that let’s you sleep easier at night, you keep telling yourselves that. While we’re having a decent match up this week – without the lopsided intervention of JQ server hoppers screwing everything up – we’ll wish you well in your new endeavors…far away from us. Now, with four hours till server re-set, do you SoR people think you could show just the slightest hint of class and stop with the chest-thumping and absurd grand-standing?

Speaking only for myself, I’ll stop pointing out how whiny you sound when you stop pretending that server transfers were the sole reason for SoR winning. Until then…grow up.

Oheson.2319:

tkalamba.2541:

There are people wasting Siege golems to spawn camp? Oheson, can you tell us which guilds are seen doing it? I’m curious as to which groups are wasting the time and resources for this kind of stuff.

Not even worth it man. I just say good riddance to SoR and I hope SoS kicks your kitten this week. After your 5 hours queues we will see you back in a few weeks without the uber nightly PvDoorers.

You’re probably right, we’ll drop down a tier or two because the core pop on Rall- the guilds who didn’t transfer over -aren’t the ones who wanted to move up so fast. Don’t worry though, when we drop back down we won’t be able to dominate like this and beat you by 400,000+ points.

We’ll just beat you by 2000 points or so, like we did the week before.

etsmith.9025:

Mass transfer of players from a high ranked server to a low ranked server.

…and if we win our matchup this week in tier 3, what will you whine about then? More transfers?

“…Alot of the bandwagon guilds aren’t really contributing to our WvW efforts. The reality is they are still a somewhat small drop in the bucket when compared to our larger, more active original guilds. There are a few exceptions, but the bandwagoners serve more to tie up queue times than anything else. I mean this strictly in terms of actual contribution, and not just populating a zerg…”

Never mind, Lord Lefteris. No matter what you say, people will simply not accept that they lost because they were outplayed. No, it was the fact that SoR had 900 people in every borderland to their 20 (even if WvW server cap mechanics make that completely impossible).

I posted in the other matchup thread asking if people honestly thought that SoR had won our last 3 matchups each time because of server transfers which came along and reversed the tide of battle; the popular opinion seemed to be yes, we’d won our last 3 matchups due to server transfers. Well I’m personally tired of apologizing for being good.

“You have more people than us” isn’t the same as “Less of us are logging in than you”. Even if our server had 75,000 players and yours had 2000, Yaks, you could still outnumber us if more of you logged in to WvW. It’s as simple as that.

Server population doesn’t matter; server participation does. Work on it.

McWaffle.1927:

Mara.5372:

Well.. At least I’ve been able to sleep and catch up on all my school work this week. But I’ll agree with Elthurien, “this was a hollow win nor do I feel like we deserve to move up a rank.” I liked the progression rate SoR had.. People coming to the server now want to sky rocket the server into the top tiers. It’s going to ruin our wonderful community. Hopefully when we start losing they’ll leave and all the original guilds can work SoR’s community back up to its former glory.

you realize your are the most malignant part of the “community” now that Furanku doesnt log on or rerolled an alt.

Most guilds wont even talk to you, let alone work with you. You are delusional.

You do realize that the majority of players posting in the “Server’s best commander” thread have voted for Mara, yes? When she gets hack from players it’s usually from people doing stupid things who don’t like to be told that they’re doing stupid things.

I should know, because I frequently tell people on SoR they’re doing stupid things.

EDIT: Most of the people on SoR.

tkalamba.2541:

I just wish my guys at [HC] High Council had more representation, We’ve been on Rall for quite some time, but don’t have the numbers of alot of other guys.

we dont get noticed lol

Maybe not as a guild, but I certainly pay heed whenever Lord Lefteris has anything tol say in chat.

Kuthos.9623:

If you don’t believe you can be outnumbered by enemy zergs, then you obviously haven’t played WvW enough. We are completely outnumbering them everywhere in every battleground the past 5 days or so. It’s not even fun.

I hope next week is better.

Also hour + long queues suck

The point about zergs which was made further up is that it isn’t possible for one server to have, say, 400 people in a borderland while you have 100. Each server has a maximum number of players it can field in a borderland. Let’s say it’s 250.

That’s 750 players per borderland, 250 players per server capped.

Theoretical Example

1- Yak’s Bend has 40 people in its borderland.
2- Gates of Madness has 30 people in Yak’s Bend borderland.
3- Sanctum of Rall has 250 people in Yak’s Bend borderland.

Yes, SoR outnumbers YB nearly 4 to 1, and GoM nearly 8 to 1. However, SoR’s massive zerg hasn’t gobbled up all the available WvW slots for that borderland, it’s because Yak’s and GoM players aren’t logging in.

The problem isn’t that SoR has more players, it’s that we have more players logging into WvW.

I hope this clears up the “We’re outnumbered” confusion.

I would like to point something out here, amidst all the “Yak’s Bend has just given up” and “SoR are being poor winners” posts flying about here (nothing to say about GoM, you guys have been proper throughout).

-This is the 3rd consecutive week that SoR wins its weekly matchup.

-This is the 3rd consecutive week that our opposition says our population “suddenly exploded” during the matchup, turning the tide.

Questions

1- Is it feasible to believe that SoR just happens to have received a huge influx of transfer players every week for the last 3 weeks?

2- Is it feasible to believe that these transfers happen to arrive just in time to reverse what looks like a probable loss, as happened in a recent matchup with Darkhaven and now with Yak’s Bend? “Oh look, they’re losing. Let’s go there!”

3- If transfers can occur to SoR causing us to win, isn’t it at all logical to assume that there are players and guilds leaving SoR regularly, as is the case with all other servers? Or is SoR the one and only lower tiered server that players transfer to, and not from?

Caveat: I am not stating that there have been no transfers to SoR, because there have been. I am simply leery of the belief that SoR is getting a huge influx of new players on a weekly basis, because for the last 3 weeks…that’s all I’ve heard about.

On Sanctum of Rall, it’s Leader Mara, from EPIC…hands down. Twice, I feel, she has picked our server up off the ground during really rough patches (against Darkhaven and, recently, against Yak’s Bend) and gone on 20 and 24 hour marathons of WvW just to keep pushing the PUGs and guilds along in the same direction. Hats off to her!

There are other good leaders, some of whom are actual commanders as well (Bavragor, Xumx, Garvzhog, Alpaca Owl, Kingxcon and company) but Mara wins it hands down.

Cygni.2790:

As a Yak player I like this idea. ou both say out of each others BG, *this will make crushing you easier. Then we get our BG and both of yours. Feel free to fight over EB. But as we all had to queue we simply made better use of our numbers. We made sure we had a quick response time to all pressure and attacked on multiple fronts.

Great first night.

You, sir, should most assuredly have kept your mouth shut.

Pangie.3217:

Kodiack.2783:

Here is a little history lesson for you pros in Darkhaven.
Week 1 we were stuck with Yaks’ Bend, currently ranked 13th.
Week 2-3 we were stuck with NSP, currently ranked 15th.
So excuse us in Anvil Rock if we aren’t impressed with your virtual domination of the map. What your fighting now are the die hards that wont’ quit and jump ship to a winning server.
Here’s another tip. You’re bragging about beating up on the lower 25% of the entire server list. Nobody is impressed.
-K

But I will admit that Arius jumped the gun with saying DH won this week.

Again?

He’s a slow learner, apparently…

Kami.7369:

Also a couple DH guilds are transferring to SoR now =/

Bah.

Makes me regret not being able to kill members of your own server.

Any idea which, so I know not to group with them?

@Arius: You can have gracious winners when you guys stop being sore losers. Hacking? Huge population gains by SoR? No and no. It’s all very easy to say, and to provide anecdotal evidence, but unlike SoR (who have provided screenshots of the Orb being hacked away), not a single solitary person from DH or SF has provided any screenshots of “all those SoR people flying around”. Not one. Seems awfully convenient…

Realistically speaking, there were several turning points in this fight.

1- The first orb hacking incident by DH against SoR (screenshotted and presented on these very forums) made the core bunch of WvW players in HF, FL and EPIC angry. Very, very angry.

2- The massive pub groups FINALLY got the message (which yours truly was a fervent, frequent, not-so-subtle proponent of) that upgrading and placing tons of siege weaponry after capturing keeps and towers was GOOD!!

3- A 90 minute early morning battle against HOT and ZZZZ inside our Garrison. We were hopelessly outnumbered, but had spent two hours preparing static defenses for the predictable 4 AM (EST) push by the massive (and usually unstoppable) flood of DH players.
I controlled a catapult that destroyed 4 DH catapults (2 others building), 2 siege golem build sites, and 3 ballistas. Other players scouted well, pointed out where to fire, frenetically rrepaired the inner gate and wall, and one courageous Charr engineer single-handedly repaired the outer gate while fighting off returning DH players, preventing reinforcements and sealing your remaining players inside. Mop up ensued, and a communal “WE CAN BEAT THESE !##$#!!!!!” vibe was born.

4- Sor’s [EPIC] guild took Etherion Hills and the DH orb in Darkhaven’s borderlands that very same day, beginning with a heroic 20-hour long defense by the same members and commander. Five days later, the keep has yet to be retaken despite multiple large scale assaults by DH players, including one in which the push with 5+ siege golems reached the corridor to the Lord’s room before being stopped. The orb, sadly, has since been teleported out of the keep. Twice. But the defense of the keep is a rallying point for our entire server.

In short; we got angry, we got determined, we started hating you, and we fought back harder and surprised you. If thinking it’s tremendous amounts of hacking or a massive increase in population (despite us still more than frequently having no queue times and having the outmanned buff) makes the situation more palatable to you…whatever.

GSCH is a SoR guild, not DH. =)

Erekose.5673:

I would love to agree with all the sentiment about this being a good match up but it is more like a 2 on 1 fight which proves in the long run we owned it all. If anyone has anything to say from the other servers they are more welcome to but the proof is there sanctum only feeds off of sorrows scraps if not for sorrows, sanctum would not even be on the map if you 2 ever fought each other this match would be totally different.

Blahblahblah whine whine whine….I didn’t hear any of this sentiment being expressed when you were whipping our butts at the beginning of this matchup on Friday.

You were winning at first…you gave us fodder for the bulletin board in the locker room, and now you’re losing. Figure it out.

Pssshaw. Sweep your keeps, make sure there are no mesmers hidden, etc.

We’ve been the victims of same. Apparently, although it’s @#%$&! annoying, it’s a perfectly legitimate tactic.

EDIT: I was in 3 groups yesterday who were ported in. In every case, it was a mesmer who went in with our zerg and tucked himself away when he saw DH coming in behind us.

As I said; sweep keeps etc…

Guys and gals, we were behind by almost 7000-8000 points last night.

Then, it happened.

Three separate “orb hacking” instances, two on our homefront (screenshotted) and one on Darkhaven’s home turf, where EPIC guild has been holding Etherion Hills and their orb for almost 36 hours now, in the face of massive repeated attacks.

Galvanized, we have done what some said was not possible. Not only have we erased that lead, but in the face of Darkhaven’s vaunted “better organization” and “superior night crew” we’re now leading, and the lead is only growing.

Someone from Darkhaven had said (rather condescendingly, might I add) “Look, we all know we’re going to beat you, and we didn’t need the hacker. We have a huge lead, and it’s only going to get bigger”.

We’re proving him quite wrong, Raal. Keep it up! VENGEANCE!!!! =)

We’ve had such good matches against these guys, it’s a shame to spoil them like this. Sadly however, tonight as SoR was assaulting AB defended by Darkhaven, our orb is mysteriously seen to move out from a fully upgraded, undamaged, unassaulted Garrison…to AB’s altar, in about 30 seconds…

Orb hacking; it makes your server look bad.

I used to fear fighting thieves with my Guardian, then I started using a lot of Retaliation.

I no longer fear fighting thieves