(edited by FractalChaos.6539)
There’s been 3 long kitten posts from disgruntled SoR players so far. Good luck, really.
What you’re seeing though is- I think -SoR players unhappy with the server’s current “attitude” as opposed to the fact that we are losing the match. It’s more a question of discontent, really. I think most SoR players don’t care if we win or lose, but when they start to feel like nothing they say or do is ever good enough and that they have no say in how their server plans its matches…it takes its toll.
I’ve been on Blackgate through many ups and downs – attitude is most definitely a key factor into how well a server plays. Here’s hoping that you get your internal issues sorted out soon.
Well put and when a server is down the excess weight tends to leave which allows the server to trim the fat. One cancer in chat spewing garbage can disrupt a whole map of players. I think a few of us saw the drama unfolding on JQ months back between Rawnoodles and some of the JQ commanders back in the day when word got out they were going at it for hours on map chat throwing obscenities at one another.
When that “excess weight” includes players who have fought for the server since launch and done nothing but try to help said server win, doing all the menial things that the zerg has no time for (gotta get them bagz, right?), you’ve got a problem.
SoR map chat is pretty laid back and still is so would take an awful lot for other players to call you out as a troll which you already admitted to be pointed out as. I can just imagine the spew being typed on the maps you happened to be at when things didn’t go YOUR way.
SoR map chat is laid back until anyone says “But wouldn’t it be better if…”.
For the record, I’ve called commanders idiots for:
-Hearing “Huge BG zerg at gate, 3 rams up. Golem” and then asking me “What guild is it? What’s door %? Is there any siege setup?”
Who gives a crap? There’s a zerg-10 or 15 or 20 people, whatever qualifies as a zerg nowadays – there’s 3 rams up and a golem, and someone who obviously doesn’t think the situation can be handled by him/her alone is asking for help to defend. Just. Get. There.
-Yelling at people during a tower/keep defense because someone dared to put down a regular AC…even though he, the commander, isn’t dropping anything, and the siege is badly needed. Protip; when there’s no siege at all, a regular AC is better than zero Superiors.
-Saving a T1 keep at the expense of a nearly completed T3.
-Sending an entire zerg to defend North camp when it’s basic, and then ignoring calls for help when it’s fully upgraded and sieged.
-And, of course, monolithic adherence to booming voice The One Way, Namely Ours!
If you ask me, I was going easy on them.
There’s been 3 long kitten posts from disgruntled SoR players so far. Good luck, really.
What you’re seeing though is- I think -SoR players unhappy with the server’s current “attitude” as opposed to the fact that we are losing the match. It’s more a question of discontent, really. I think most SoR players don’t care if we win or lose, but when they start to feel like nothing they say or do is ever good enough and that they have no say in how their server plans its matches…it takes its toll.
You haven’t transferred yet?
Nope. Are you concerned?
Once I do, I’ll still keep tabs on SoR to see if there’s been a change of mindset.
Naw, just reminding you. You stated you were transferring off so was surprised you were still around hours later talking about SOR.
I like my server, or used to. I fully intend to transfer, but it’ll be when I’m ready…not because someone thinks they can troll me into it.
Thanks for some proper fights, ZDs. Your staying up late is appreciated, although it’d be nice if you spent less time bunkering down in keeps.
We don’t see ZDs posting on the forums bragging about who they farmed. I wonder why…?
On another note, another troll in this tier is born. Please welcome fractalchaos! His name tells us all we need to know about which aspect of the game he is an expert in.
Thank you ever so much for proving my point.
Great post, but you don’t speak for the server or its leaders.
Nor do you; and furthermore, who are these “server leaders” you speak of, because I sure don’t see anyone fitting that description in WvW or in TS.
You should tag up and lead a guild.
I do lead a guild; Painfetish. Me. One person.
I was one of 3 co-founders of HF (with Garv and Alpaca Owl) which was one of the more dedicated WvW guilds, I believe, and eventually melded into…Choo, I think it was? Garvzhog quit when he saw that the “zerg guilds” were moving in- this was just after we’d beaten Dragonbrand for the first time ever, and before guilds started “hopping” to our server because they heard we were never-give-uppers.
Alpaca Owl…I think he/she/it got bored and just stopped playing, not sure. He/she/it was more of a cheerleader than a commander anyway.
The three of us (I played Fangjaw at the time) used to command PUG groups and HF before commander tags were as common as flies. None of us had one. We did just fine, because we actually liked each other, respected each other, and listened to everyone around us.
Then, much to my disappointment, SoR became a zerg server. One way, one mind.
Feh.
Make a return to active command and turn things around. Simple solution.
Not remotely interested. I don’t need to log into a videogame and be hassled by catcalls and jeers because I had the “stupid” idea of defending the north camp at the east and west gates (natural chokepoints) instead of calling in the entire map for help every time it’s attacked.
My "stupid* idea is usually to follow a commander for a bit and if I don’t agree with what they doin I just stop following them. If they are the only commander tag on map, I change to another. Difficult concept I know and it takes a lot of willpower
…or you could just stay on the one map, and ignore the commanders.
Great post, but you don’t speak for the server or its leaders.
Nor do you; and furthermore, who are these “server leaders” you speak of, because I sure don’t see anyone fitting that description in WvW or in TS.
You should tag up and lead a guild.
I do lead a guild; Painfetish. Me. One person.
I was one of 3 co-founders of HF (with Garv and Alpaca Owl) which was one of the more dedicated WvW guilds, I believe, and eventually melded into…Choo, I think it was? Garvzhog quit when he saw that the “zerg guilds” were moving in- this was just after we’d beaten Dragonbrand for the first time ever, and before guilds started “hopping” to our server because they heard we were never-give-uppers.
Alpaca Owl…I think he/she/it got bored and just stopped playing, not sure. He/she/it was more of a cheerleader than a commander anyway.
The three of us (I played Fangjaw at the time) used to command PUG groups and HF before commander tags were as common as flies. None of us had one. We did just fine, because we actually liked each other, respected each other, and listened to everyone around us.
Then, much to my disappointment, SoR became a zerg server. One way, one mind.
Feh.
Make a return to active command and turn things around. Simple solution.
Not remotely interested. I don’t need to log into a videogame and be hassled by catcalls and jeers because I had the “stupid” idea of defending the north camp at the east and west gates (natural chokepoints) instead of calling in the entire map for help every time it’s attacked.
It’s ok; I’m not a fit for the server anymore. I can live with that.
Yeah. I don’t think that’s going to cut it even with siege set up. It’s just the way the game’s structured, the zerg would just run past because there’s no objective there.
I believe that those gates would have worked if the old orb system were still in place as as a prime area to ambush from. Since those are long gone, there’s just no reason.
It would stop anything short of a zerg, though. I don’t know about other servers, but on SoR the north camp is frequently lost to 8-10 players. Siege at the gates stops that and forces the enemy to devote more time and effort to steal a simple camp.
Tried it by myself this past summer; one ballista, my turrets (engi) and the guards were enough to hold off 3 havoc pushes by…I wanna say 8 people but one may have been a Mesmer and clones, it was a kittenaotic.
Anytime you can hold onto an objective with 1 person instead of 10-15, that’s a plus in my book.
Great post, but you don’t speak for the server or its leaders.
Nor do you; and furthermore, who are these “server leaders” you speak of, because I sure don’t see anyone fitting that description in WvW or in TS.
You should tag up and lead a guild.
I do lead a guild; Painfetish. Me. One person.
I was one of 3 co-founders of HF (with Garv and Alpaca Owl) which was one of the more dedicated WvW guilds, I believe, and eventually melded into…Choo, I think it was? Garvzhog quit when he saw that the “zerg guilds” were moving in- this was just after we’d beaten Dragonbrand for the first time ever, and before guilds started “hopping” to our server because they heard we were never-give-uppers.
Alpaca Owl…I think he/she/it got bored and just stopped playing, not sure. He/she/it was more of a cheerleader than a commander anyway.
The three of us (I played Fangjaw at the time) used to command PUG groups and HF before commander tags were as common as flies. None of us had one. We did just fine, because we actually liked each other, respected each other, and listened to everyone around us.
Then, much to my disappointment, SoR became a zerg server. One way, one mind.
Feh.
Make a return to active command and turn things around. Simple solution.
Not remotely interested. I don’t need to log into a videogame and be hassled by catcalls and jeers because I had the “stupid” idea of defending the north camp at the east and west gates (natural chokepoints) instead of calling in the entire map for help every time it’s attacked.
It’s ok; I’m not a fit for the server anymore. I can live with that.
It’s one thing to stay on the server I joined back at launch in order to encourage community building, another entirely to hang on to the past, and so I am going to be moving on…where I don’t know yet.
SoR has lost its backbone. Many of the WvW guilds seem to be more concerned with their own prestige and maintaining (or growing) their spot in the “pecking order” than actually winning the matchup.
-No evolution of tactics. It’s always their blob versus our blob. Always. I play WvW about 6-8 hours a day, 7 days a week (sabbaticals have their perks!) and it’s the exact same game plan every day, on every map; the blob is either capturing something, or rushing to defend something at the last second. No exceptions.
-No room for dialogue. Constructive criticism is ignored or (more likely) ridiculed in map chat, and the critic is labeled a troll and placed on ignore at the Commanders’ insistence.
-We’re not winning? Participation drops.
It may not yet be reflected in the score, but Sanctum of Rall, how far have you fallen…
Reading your post history…You wanted SOR to lose to drop tiers, and now that it’s happening…
Your post 5 months ago, long before “How far you have you fallen”….
“I hope they turn too. I’m sick and tired of T1, everyone here takes this game far too seriously. I legitimately hope we on SoR lose next week and drop a tier. Or three.”Another one 5 months ago…this is good stuff!
“I don’t see it happening any time soon, but I sincerely hope our population on SoR shrinks and we drop a tier or two….”How was SOR doing 5 months ago? boy you were raging!
“Speaking as someone who is constantly referred to as a troll by the people on my own server (mostly for calling out some of our kitten commanders when everyone else is busy lapping at their toes), may I say; tell them to kitten off. Seriously.”“My attitude is, most if not all of these people are people I’ll never meet, and don’t care to meet. Their opinions and any stink they raise because I speak my mind are worth exactly nothing to me. Their criticisms should mean just as much to you.”
Yep and despite my wanting the server to drop down in tiers (and I still think it’s what’s best for them in the long run), I’m leaving. The people I used to play with have all moved on, and the server’s overall mentality has changed far beyond what it once was. If it’s ok for you, that’s good.
So what was up 5 months ago? Sheesh you were raging hard.
I’m not sure…I think that may have been a time when someone else got labeled a troll in map chat for suggesting we defend things instead of flipping them, and it got my hackles up and I started yelling at the “commanders” for it. Usually has that effect on me.
Watch this, it starts at the 1 minute mark.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=5kjxdznWPjs
Not sure what the point of the video is; don’t follow the commanders if you don’t want to?
I don’t. I try to stay as far away from their strategic abortions as I possibly can, but unfortunately…most people do follow them and their very bad ideas, and that means that’s where the fights will be, and that means that for someone who likes RvR, being in the general vicinity of the commanders- no matter how inflexible they may be – is a sort of necessity.
Unless you feel like sitting solo in a camp, guarding it (which I have done many a time) or walking yaks (which I have also done many a time) or repairing gates and walls while the zerg rushes off to the next crisis.
SOR, whats happening? I’ve seen you guys climb your way from tier 7 to the top. you’ll be surprise to know that alot of BG respect sor than any other server. Your death will not do any good to us, DONT GIVE UP! and just likes bg’s fav phrase, BELIEVE! and ENDURE!
I hate Blackgate (few who have played on SoR for any length of time would disagree with that sentiment) but you probably only have yourselves to blame for the current predicament.
Even the Spartans at Plataea wouldn’t have fought 10 million Persians head on….
It’s one thing to stay on the server I joined back at launch in order to encourage community building, another entirely to hang on to the past, and so I am going to be moving on…where I don’t know yet.
SoR has lost its backbone. Many of the WvW guilds seem to be more concerned with their own prestige and maintaining (or growing) their spot in the “pecking order” than actually winning the matchup.
-No evolution of tactics. It’s always their blob versus our blob. Always. I play WvW about 6-8 hours a day, 7 days a week (sabbaticals have their perks!) and it’s the exact same game plan every day, on every map; the blob is either capturing something, or rushing to defend something at the last second. No exceptions.
-No room for dialogue. Constructive criticism is ignored or (more likely) ridiculed in map chat, and the critic is labeled a troll and placed on ignore at the Commanders’ insistence.
-We’re not winning? Participation drops.
It may not yet be reflected in the score, but Sanctum of Rall, how far have you fallen…
Reading your post history…You wanted SOR to lose to drop tiers, and now that it’s happening…
Your post 5 months ago, long before “How far you have you fallen”….
“I hope they turn too. I’m sick and tired of T1, everyone here takes this game far too seriously. I legitimately hope we on SoR lose next week and drop a tier. Or three.”Another one 5 months ago…this is good stuff!
“I don’t see it happening any time soon, but I sincerely hope our population on SoR shrinks and we drop a tier or two….”How was SOR doing 5 months ago? boy you were raging!
“Speaking as someone who is constantly referred to as a troll by the people on my own server (mostly for calling out some of our kitten commanders when everyone else is busy lapping at their toes), may I say; tell them to kitten off. Seriously.”“My attitude is, most if not all of these people are people I’ll never meet, and don’t care to meet. Their opinions and any stink they raise because I speak my mind are worth exactly nothing to me. Their criticisms should mean just as much to you.”
Yep and despite my wanting the server to drop down in tiers (and I still think it’s what’s best for them in the long run), I’m leaving. The people I used to play with have all moved on, and the server’s overall mentality has changed far beyond what it once was. If it’s ok for you, that’s good.
So what was up 5 months ago? Sheesh you were raging hard.
I’m not sure…I think that may have been a time when someone else got labeled a troll in map chat for suggesting we defend things instead of flipping them, and it got my hackles up and I started yelling at the “commanders” for it. Usually has that effect on me.
Great post, but you don’t speak for the server or its leaders.
Nor do you; and furthermore, who are these “server leaders” you speak of, because I sure don’t see anyone fitting that description in WvW or in TS.
You should tag up and lead a guild.
I do lead a guild; Painfetish. Me. One person.
I was one of 3 co-founders of HF (with Garv and Alpaca Owl) which was one of the more dedicated WvW guilds, I believe, and eventually melded into…Choo, I think it was? Garvzhog quit when he saw that the “zerg guilds” were moving in- this was just after we’d beaten Dragonbrand for the first time ever, and before guilds started “hopping” to our server because they heard we were never-give-uppers.
Alpaca Owl…I think he/she/it got bored and just stopped playing, not sure. He/she/it was more of a cheerleader than a commander anyway.
The three of us (I played Fangjaw at the time) used to command PUG groups and HF before commander tags were as common as flies. None of us had one. We did just fine, because we actually liked each other, respected each other, and listened to everyone around us.
Then, much to my disappointment, SoR became a zerg server. One way, one mind.
Feh.
It’s one thing to stay on the server I joined back at launch in order to encourage community building, another entirely to hang on to the past, and so I am going to be moving on…where I don’t know yet.
SoR has lost its backbone. Many of the WvW guilds seem to be more concerned with their own prestige and maintaining (or growing) their spot in the “pecking order” than actually winning the matchup.
-No evolution of tactics. It’s always their blob versus our blob. Always. I play WvW about 6-8 hours a day, 7 days a week (sabbaticals have their perks!) and it’s the exact same game plan every day, on every map; the blob is either capturing something, or rushing to defend something at the last second. No exceptions.
-No room for dialogue. Constructive criticism is ignored or (more likely) ridiculed in map chat, and the critic is labeled a troll and placed on ignore at the Commanders’ insistence.
-We’re not winning? Participation drops.
It may not yet be reflected in the score, but Sanctum of Rall, how far have you fallen…
Reading your post history…You wanted SOR to lose to drop tiers, and now that it’s happening…
Your post 5 months ago, long before “How far you have you fallen”….
“I hope they turn too. I’m sick and tired of T1, everyone here takes this game far too seriously. I legitimately hope we on SoR lose next week and drop a tier. Or three.”Another one 5 months ago…this is good stuff!
“I don’t see it happening any time soon, but I sincerely hope our population on SoR shrinks and we drop a tier or two….”How was SOR doing 5 months ago? boy you were raging!
“Speaking as someone who is constantly referred to as a troll by the people on my own server (mostly for calling out some of our kitten commanders when everyone else is busy lapping at their toes), may I say; tell them to kitten off. Seriously.”“My attitude is, most if not all of these people are people I’ll never meet, and don’t care to meet. Their opinions and any stink they raise because I speak my mind are worth exactly nothing to me. Their criticisms should mean just as much to you.”
Yep and despite my wanting the server to drop down in tiers (and I still think it’s what’s best for them in the long run), I’m leaving. The people I used to play with have all moved on, and the server’s overall mentality has changed far beyond what it once was. If it’s ok for you, that’s good.
It’s one thing to stay on the server I joined back at launch in order to encourage community building, another entirely to hang on to the past, and so I am going to be moving on…where I don’t know yet.
SoR has lost its backbone. Many of the WvW guilds seem to be more concerned with their own prestige and maintaining (or growing) their spot in the “pecking order” than actually winning the matchup.
-No evolution of tactics. It’s always their blob versus our blob. Always. I play WvW about 6-8 hours a day, 7 days a week (sabbaticals have their perks!) and it’s the exact same game plan every day, on every map; the blob is either capturing something, or rushing to defend something at the last second. No exceptions.
-No room for dialogue. Constructive criticism is ignored or (more likely) ridiculed in map chat, and the critic is labeled a troll and placed on ignore at the Commanders’ insistence.
-We’re not winning? Participation drops.
It may not yet be reflected in the score, but Sanctum of Rall, how far have you fallen…
Everybody loves backseat drivers.
You complained about two mutually exclusive things there, map blobs and guilds ducking the blob…
Hint: Guilds run tagless in an attempt to split up blobs.
Here’s another hint; how about breaking up the existing blob by explicitly forming 5 groups, 5 different commanders with 7 people assigned each. The PUGs can follow whoever they want. Make each group independent, and assign them a map quadrant.
How about using those 5 groups to hit 2 supply camps down south, 2 up north, and a tower at the same time?
How about all 5 groups coming together to assault a target with a massed force only when needed, then breaking up again to function independently, spreading out BG’s forces?
How about giving that big, lumbering, easily outmaneuvered BG blob 5 different groups to swat at the same time, and see if they can be everywhere at once?
There are tried and true tactics for a smaller force to deal with a numerically superior force, and they work in videogames too. Try them someday before you kitten all over them. It might give you something else to do in comms besides yell “Shift left kitten left empower empower water fields water fields, blast blast blast!!!”
It’s one thing to stay on the server I joined back at launch in order to encourage community building, another entirely to hang on to the past, and so I am going to be moving on…where I don’t know yet.
SoR has lost its backbone. Many of the WvW guilds seem to be more concerned with their own prestige and maintaining (or growing) their spot in the “pecking order” than actually winning the matchup.
-No evolution of tactics. It’s always their blob versus our blob. Always. I play WvW about 6-8 hours a day, 7 days a week (sabbaticals have their perks!) and it’s the exact same game plan every day, on every map; the blob is either capturing something, or rushing to defend something at the last second. No exceptions.
-No room for dialogue. Constructive criticism is ignored or (more likely) ridiculed in map chat, and the critic is labeled a troll and placed on ignore at the Commanders’ insistence.
-We’re not winning? Participation drops.
It may not yet be reflected in the score, but Sanctum of Rall, how far have you fallen…