Guild Wars 2

I was noticing the graphic for the confounding bolts (little heart icon thing) but saw no confusion associated with it after a few different tries. This was in WvW, but like the previous poster I supposed I could have been getting super unlucky.

ensoriki.5789:

His comment is on shadow return moving you 3600 units not inf strike.
But it seems you didn’t even know how the skill worked anyways so lol.

Still stand by what I said, thanks for playing.

ensoriki.5789:

A lot of really cool but ultimately unnecessary information as a response to something that clearly wasn’t true

Man, you guys have some trouble reading don’t you? I said IF the range is 3600 then it’s broken…is the range 3600? No? Then obviously it doesn’t need to be fixed. It’s called a conditional IF/THEN statement. Deal with it.

samski.5194:

I would suspect from the lack of attention that both of your threads are getting from the Mesmer community that most Mesmers, not just myself are managing fine with this bug……perhaps your struggle is a learn to play issue and you are trying to blame on a bug due to the fact you find this fact hard to believe ?

Going to have to stop you right there man. They are pretty bad bugs and need to be addressed. The only reason this thread isn’t getting as much attention is that there are a lot of other threads with the same issues reported, and those have gotten a bit more attention. I’m glad that you’re managing and that it’s sufficient for you. I’m managing too, but the difference is I don’t like that I have to. The class SHOULD work the way it’s designed to.

Seems like there are a few people out there that think not wanting to put up with bugs is a negative thing. Why? Why stay silent on a matter if you think something is wrong? The more visibility that an issue gets the more likely it is that the issue will be resolved. Not saying something gains you nothing, and I can’t understand the attitudes of some people these days.

Shemsu.8721:

Harbinger.9645:

If the range really is 3600 that’s definitely broken. There’s no way they intended for a thief to have a spammable teleport (given initiative pool) for a range like that. Enjoy it while it lasts though haha.

You do not have the slightest idea what your talking about. IS has a range of 600. Shadow Return sends you back to your original location. In order to achieve even the base shadow return range, you have to cast IS get your 600 blink, then RUN the other 600, in order to teleport 1200 back. How is that Spammable 3600? Next time, research before your ignorance becomes so clear

Calm yourself there buddy. I never said I did any research hence my post was qualified with an IF in front of it. I was going on what was reported by someone else. I even threw in a haha to show that my post was light hearted in nature. Thanks for the clarification though, but leave the flame bait at the door there’s no need for your attitude pal.

Yea, a lot of Mesmer’s are confirming this. I think there was a post from a dev that said they were aware of the issue.

If the range really is 3600 that’s definitely broken. There’s no way they intended for a thief to have a spammable teleport (given initiative pool) for a range like that. Enjoy it while it lasts though haha.

edit: so before I get any other people with sub human reading comprehension to reply to this post, I have to add that I know the range on it isn’t 3600. My post was more tongue in cheek than anything else. Calm down forum warriors.

Gaudrath.6725:

I got stuck in geometry twice the other day during a dungeon run because my teleports landed me inside the ground and a statue. Do you see me complaining immediately about it on the forums? That’s what some people do, and it is getting annoying. You’d think the game is a complete disaster, when it’s anything but.

Woah there chief do not presume that you are ever allowed to put words in my mouth. Never did I say this game was a complete disaster, but these are pretty gamebreaking bugs when they do happen. Let’s review the definition of gamebreaking…making the game unplayable. When you were stuck in those walls I’m pretty sure the game was unplayable for the duration. When someone gets loaded into a non appropriate tier server it not only breaks the game for them as WvW is non functional (and yes, it is because they aren’t able to contribute to the game as they should) but it breaks if for the other people on the tier because now they have people running around their borderlands that are flagged as friendly to all servers and they can rez people and buff everyone.

I’m sorry that you’re annoyed that people have complaints about the broken mechanics in a game but perhaps people are complaining in the hopes that things get fixed. Since you seem to be so frustrated by posts on a website maybe you should no longer frequent this place. The complaints aren’t going to go away until the bugs do and new bugs are happening everyday. So you’ll probably be happier if you stop reading all these posts then yea? Either way it seems you’re totally fine with ignoring problems, and that’s totally cool, but I’m not and if you can’t accept that then please stop responding in this thread and go bother someone else.

TL;DR: Just because something isn’t game breaking to you doesn’t mean it isn’t to someone else. So while I respect your opinion I do not respect you blatant hostility to people that are trying to help in their own way.

Kono.5947:

Honestly, I have been questioning their testing system and how they go about testing patches before they’re released.

I have been wondering this myself. Seems like the patches should be on a test server and given some thorough play time before they even think of updating the live servers.

I totally see where you guys are coming from. It’s very true that if they release less content people will get bored…by the same token if they keep releasing new content that is bugged then who will want to keep playing something that doesn’t really work. Double edged sword to be sure.

Maybe they should hire more people to deal with the bugs then since new content seems to be added pretty regularly but some bugs people have been having (presumably the tougher ones) have been around for several months now and a lot of current players are kind of getting tired of waiting for them. Glaring bugs will definitely sour a user base over time and that means people telling prospective players to avoid the game (whether the reason is justified or not). I guess only time will tell…

Hmm, I wonder if this is all related to the missing weapon bug then because in PvE the weapons show up just fine but in WvW they don’t. Such a weird little bug they have going on here.

I would love it if we could have both, but just from a historical standpoint that doesn’t seem to be happening. Mad props to ANET if this suddenly became a reality though.

Gaudrath.6725:

There are no “massive” bugs plaguing the game. Just the usual MMO ones and they sure don’t wreck anything, you can enjoy the game as normal. Stop with the drama already.

People being ported into WvW battlegrounds where they aren’t even in the same tier, Mesmer’s core functionality doesn’t work properly all of a sudden, people getting rooted in place after using certain skill combinations, Ranger pets following people over entire maps without the owner anywhere near by…list just goes on man. It’s fine if you don’t care about these bugs but to a lot of people they are ruining the play experience.

So, if these bugs are so beneath your threshold for caring would you kindly keep from trivializing them? That would be awesome, thanks.

Tanek.5983:

I just got home and, while I may be missing something here, I still seemed to be getting Confounding Bolt from the berserker whirling through an ethereal field.

I will try it on a few other types of field as soon as I can, but initially it seems there is an error in the tooltip rather than a change to the mechanics.

I also found references to the combo finisher not being noted in the tooltip even from before the patch. (Shows how closely I read the skills before.)

Again, maybe I have it wrong, but if someone else can check once more to break the tie, I’d appreciate it. Thanks.

Did the damage seem lower to you? Did you test this in WvW/sPvP/PvE? I’m honestly curious because I definitely noticed the lower damage myself and I figured my weapon damage might not have been factored in perhaps related to the missing weapon on my illusions.

I was using the iZerker last night through multiple combo fields and didn’t notice it using the finisher, but honestly I wasn’t really on the look out for that.

Thank you for the acknowledgement.

Should they hold off on releasing new content until they get all the massive bugs currently plaguing this game taken care of?

I love the game, but patch after patch it seems like some pretty serious bugs get introduced with some pretty minimal fixes when, with proper testing, it should be the other way around.

Anyone else feel this way?

Oooo forgot to mention that when a necro is using dark path on our feedback bubble we are being teleported to the necro. This is bad mmmmk.

Added my bump to it Pyro thanks for posting that. Here’s to hoping we don’t have to go another month with even more broken abilities.

I can second that all of these are present. It’s pretty difficult to be a mesmer in WvW right now. Please address these issues ANET. Hopefully we don’t have to wait too long as many of these are making our few really viable builds not so useful anymore.

Wonder if this is happening with other reflection abilities like the guardians wall or our Mirror heal/reflection on distortion trait.

How do bugs like this make it through testing…assuming they did some.

Anyone else excited to see what NSP brings to our match up next week? Finally some change haha!

In WvW all illusions are being summoned without weapons in their hands.

It also appears that the Illusionary Berserker is doing less damage than it was before the patch, whether this has anything to do with him not holding a weapon is unclear but it seems like it could be.

Yea, as a major souce of the GS mesmer’s damage output this is a real downer. I really hope we don’t have to wait till the next major patch for this to be fixed…that’s just too long.

Was the Illusionary Berserker’s damage nerfed with this last patch? Mine seems to be doing less damage and I thought it might have been due to it not holding a weapon anymore…anyone else notice anything like this?

kamizefrog.3421:

Lysico.4906:

GS and STaff here.

NONE of my clones appear with a weapon anymore in Wpvp!!!

This is a major bug!

Please help us ANet. This one is huge..

I can confirm experiencing this exact problem in WvW as well. This is a huge bug because it takes away a major core of the mesmer’s repertoire during combat – e.g., using clones to distract enemies.

I hope this, along with the other bugs introduced by this patch is fixed soon.

Can confirm this as well. I wonder what exactly it was that they were fixing that would cause this in the first place.

CHIPS.6018:

So will you oppose people transferring to Gates of Madness?

I would if it were a large number of people looking to make GoM the next steamroll server to climb the tier ladder. No one should want to win like that, it’s an extremely cheap tactic and one, as you know, that has a very negative impact on WvW as a whole.

I’m not against transfers in general though…just the way “some people” have a abused them.

CHIPS.6018:

TeamBattleAxe.3901:

So, people can get PAID to Kaineng through the brackets again?
No, thanks.

Kaineng is rank 5. It will cost 1,400 gems to get to it…

I think you misunderstood what he wrote.

TeamBattleAxe.3901:

So, people can get PAID to Kaineng through the brackets again?
No, thanks.

This.

ClinkyDink.9364:

Still bugged in this patch, Trident Clones do not have any weapons.

In WvW none of my clones had weapons regardless of which weapon it was. Pretty bad when it’s super obvious which one is the real mesmer.

The mirror change is nice, actually put it on my bar for more than 5 minutes which hasn’t happened since I first tried it out after purchasing it.

I can’t speak to the torch since I use a GS as my main and there’s no way I can stand how much running there is in WvW without the speed buff from the focus.

Keep it up ANET! You’re getting there but you still have a lot of work to do.

Ninya.3942:

Because these are the forums and there are rules. By interfering (see trolling) with this thread’s topic your post can receive an infraction. So please stop.

Nothing said here is against any forum policy so with this being an open forum we are just as entitled to voice our opposition to your efforts to take people from other servers as you are to attempt to do so.

I think many people’s definition of “trolling” is a little skewed. Trolling implies that we are doing this just to make fun of you. I genuinely oppose what you guys are doing and wanted to voice my opinion on the matter. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn’t make them a troll. Get real people.

SquirtyMagoo.8321:

Please for god’s sake. Stop with the kitten.

Every server has recruitment threads. ‘Bandwaggoning’ will never stop because it is in people’s nature to get bored/want change. Let us have our recruitment thread and stop being so bitter, it only reflects poorly on yourselfs.

Request denied.

CHIPS.6018:

I am from Kaineng…

Sorry to hear that.

Osicat.4139:

As usual in a patch ppl seem to stick on bad things.

Looking at things through rose colored lenses benefits no one. Were there buffs, yea of course…some of them are very nice. However the introduction of more bugs to the class with this update should not be ignored or overshadowed by a few fixes. People should continue to fight for these things to be fixed.

RyuDragnier.9476:

…one of the other servers stuck in a tier with an uneven fight.

This…which only happened because of bandwagon transfers to certain servers in the first place. In a lot of ways things like this ruined WvW for a lot of the other servers in the lower tiers. Granted Anet’s ranking system is doing no one any favors in keeping these uneven fights going week after week, but it would be preposterous to deny that all the bandwagon transfers caused these problems in the first place. Stay where you are people, maintain server pride, and hopefully soon things will start to stabilize again.

Yorric Hunt.8214:

They have left SoS as they cant win on easy mode anymore. Its the same guilds that cant hack having to fight for a win and just want to cruise it. As soon as life on Blackgate gets too hard they will move again.

This. Hopefully they run out of those cheap gems that they claim they stockpiled and are forced to buy transfers to support their scrubby server jumping habits. I’d prefer, if they are going to continue to screw up WvW for all the other servers that they help keep Arenanet afloat by paying their bills.

Carighan.6758:

GS already has an AE Cripple on a semi-low CD (and potentially high uptime).
If they were to add it to #3, they’re probably remove it from the iZerker. Do not want!

Or you know they could just give us both…so quit yer belly aching.

Does iZerker seem like it’s doing less damage to anyone else?
Also clones not holding any weapons in WvW is…well…just really dumb.

The fact that there are any updates/fixes that don’t make it into the notes shows a severe lack of organization and communication. I mean honestly how hard is it to keep track of these things?!

It never really made sense that it didn’t already apply this. I hope this was an intended fix.

While you’re at it, add cripple to the great sword when you rename it. Fits pretty well as it could hamstring anyone from below. The benefit of this spell is overshadowed by the self root and small target radius.

There are times when being on a low tier is actually more fun. As many have said it feels like what you do has more of an impact since they populations aren’t wildly out of control. As with most places the matchups are a little disproportionate at the moment, in a lot of lower tiers there is usually a population imbalance and that makes one of the servers constantly in the lead by a fair margin week after week. If they would fix their awful rating system then WvW would be even more fun.

Everyone is OP.

Our blood is invisible, just like us.

Nice video, what kind of gear are you using to get results like this?

lettucemode.3789:

Well, also, the most critical damage you can get in sPvP is around 65%, plus some conditional damage bonuses (10% when attacking from behind, etc). But with full berserker’s exotics in WvW you can get over 100% critical damage. I think that’s something a lot of people don’t consider, you can get better stats in PvE and thus WvWvW than in sPvP.

I didn’t know that either. Interesting, but at least this is something that affects everyone equally.

purpleskies.3274:

Thieves have their abilities do lower damage in spvp and to re-state they don’t have random critters and mobs which gives them a big advantage in wvw. Just thought I would point that out.

They do lower damage on CnD but not backstab right? I agree with you on critters, I never use that in WvW and I would gladly have them remove critters because people can rally off them too which is so lame. I roll that issue into problems with WvW in general. Thieves also shouldn’t be able to stealth off objects.

purpleskies.3274:

Also thieves really do need to be punished for a missed or blocked attack in stealth, that is just ridiculous that they get to try again if the person moved.

I have mixed feelings about this one. Missing an attack I disagree with from a logical standpoint since you haven’t actually hit anything you shouldn’t be revealed. Blocking on the other hand I totally agree with. If some one blocks your attack then they should know where you are.

Kjendar.6459:

I have a level 80 of each class and play them all in wvw, the only one I will take on a group of 5 or more with is my thief. I think the revealed should be increased by a sec.

Probably won’t need to be once they fix culling.

Solori.6025:

They dont give me problems in spvp in small scale fights like 6v6 and under
Honestly they shouldnt be a problem for anyone in Spvp, unless your a newb running zerk builds cause you like to see l33t numbers.

With the culling, thieves for me in wvw have about 1.5 sec of extra stealth time.
In spvp i see them instantaneously.

This is probably due to everyone having generic colors and armor, and the maps are small without the extra mobs that need to be rendered.

In spvp thieves dont have random mobs to keep stealthing with CnD also, so their only form of escaping effectively is to use utilities like shadow step.
I would say shadow refuge but i have knocked too many thieves out of that circle to call it reliable.

Thank you. Exactly what I was expecting. Obviously you know how to play against a thief and for that I say thank you. If more people were to learn the mechanics there would be fewer arguments about thieves being OP. Hopefully they can fix the issues people have with thieves in WvW without following the direction of a lot of the misinformation floating around. I fear they will make this class unplayable in they make a mistake on any inbound fixes.

Solori.6025:

Go to Spvp or Tpvp.
You will basically see what thieves are capable of without the culling issue, because in spvp its almost non-existent ( at least for me)

I’m interested in hearing your opinion on this then. How do you feel thieves fair in sPvP without culling being an issue?

I really want ANET to fix culling soon so we can actually determine exactly how much of an advantage stealth gives. Based on Magiofdeath and my conversation in another thread I am willing to admit that stealth might need to be looked into (obviously there need to be additional balances to the class if they change the way it works) and I’m ok with that.

We are all basing our opinions of stealth on flawed data due to culling though. It’s hard to make a real solid argument for or against stealth until that is fixed because no one really knows how it’s going to pan out once it is. My theory is that the revealed debuff will become a much bigger advantage to people fighting against thieves. With culling fixed thieves will be exposed to the full duration that the debuff provides.

CHIPS.6018:

This thread is about T&M portaling their whole zerg into a keep. Leave the discussion of fights elsewhere please.

You’re right, I apologize everyone. I got carried away trying to defend game complexity…probably wasting my time. Carry on all. :-P