Guild Wars 2

Besetment.9187:

To the CD guys fighting in Maguuma BL in the past 2 hours:

That was some of the best small team pvp I’ve seen in WvW since I’ve started playing this game. Very good play by the [FEAR] mesmer and necro. The necro had very measured use of shroud. Even with stability up, he landed his boon rips on the right targets, used his shroud 3 to bait out skills and interrupt my heal skill (twice).

There was a sick guardian too with a [NAGA] tag and all round just really tight play by the whole group. There was a random mix of tags, not a single guild group. We got handed 3 or 4 times initially with even numbers until we copped on that holy cow, these guys can play. No shame in getting beat by play like that imo.

Where did these fights occurr? I’m just wondering if it was my usual crew that I run with or not. =)

I like to be different so I’ve never paired D/D with S/D. Back when I began playing S/D it was generally agreed from most posters on these forums as being lackluster compaired to D/D. Since most thieves feel like it’s a must to run anything with Shortbow, that’s what you saw the most of back in the day: D/D and Shortbow.

Now, more and more thieves are stepping away from the cookiecutter builds in search of something new. I see a lot of S/D thieves nowadays (which actually makes me sad) and more and more D/P thieves due to the videos showing the stealth combos. Pretty soon, I’m going to have to create a build around P/P to stay different!

Oh, to answer your question, anything pairs well with D/D. (Except maybe P/P =P) Give it a shot and have some fun!

Sorry, forgot to mention my post was pointed mostly at WvW. Shorbow for sPvP is pretty epic.

I’ve ran S/D now for several months and I love it. Here are a few tips I’ve picked up.

S/D is the only build where you can easily jump on someone who is over 3000 units away. The trick: Shadow Step, Infiltrator’s Strike, and Steal, all within a second of each other. When done correctly, you will SS to a spot between you and your target, IS even closer to them, and before the animation is up for the stab that immobilizes, you’ll steal, putting you right on your target from a mile away, immobilizing them when the animation completes.

Tip #2: FS is actually better dps than your auto attack chain. With really good power and crit, FS can hit for around 2.5k (first hit) 5.5k (second hit) in 1.25 seconds. Practice it and you’ll land it every time, especially after an IS.

Tip #3: Sigil of Paralyzation is nice if you can consistently land C&D and have an abundance of initiative. However, I find Sigil of Rage is just simply much better, especially with a crit build. The amount of damage dealt while hasted with a sword is just plain crazy. I honestly don’t daze much during the fight except the very beginning to get the upperhand. After that, it’s all about damage.

Tip #4: Shortbow is nice for zergs, but I prefer to run in smaller groups and/or solo. I can’t remember the last time I used a shortbow. I love when a thief tries to flee and wastes all his initiative trying to get away with a shortbow and I can reach him even when he’s over 3000 units away. There are ways of movement that are just as good as using the #5 shortbow using either a sword or dagger. I prefer using D/P as offhand just because it does so much more damage when the target is less than 50% health and I have initiative to stealth. I also like the combo and the interupt.

IComeInPeace.1768:

Being the only undefeated 1v1 thief in WvW, I will post a comment on this video.

P/D still loses to a well played D/D thief.

If I posted a video on what I do in WvW, it will the longest thread on this forum.

So I wont… Oh, for all the “I wreck thiefs people” Please list your server and guild. I can transfer each week. So it will take some time, but you can have your 1v1 vs me.

Malf
DEVS
I play with toy daggers – Just to make it fair

Do you have any videos?

Tynan.6279:

This couldn’t be more wrong in regards to the condition removal!

The P/D Thief’s bleed only lasts 2-3 sec, so if you remove it he will reapply within seconds. Their stacks are constantly falling off and wouldn’t really make a difference if you removed them, I see people do it all the time to me and doesn’t help them a bit.

I think this is just a matter of opinion. I can guarantee you that a p/d thief would never kill me in a 1v1 due to my condition removal. Posting that condition removal doesn’t make a difference and doesn’t help a bit couldn’t be more wrong, in my opinion. =)

In my opinion, this video shows two things:

1. How easy it is to play a thief;
2. How so many skilless players play thieves.

Number 1 is directed to the OP and Number 2 is directed at the thieves that were killed in the video. Obviously, the play style of the OP is just 1 1 1 1 5 1 1 1 1 1 5. This type of play style is extremely easy as has been made abuntantly clear in the above posts. However, a thief should never, ever, ever die to a p/d thief. EVER. Thieves have the best condition removal in the game and when I see a thief die to a p/d thief it makes me cringe. It takes 10 points in the shadow tree to never die to p/d thieves (or any condition-based players for that matter) and the thieves in this video don’t even have the knowledge to spec it.

Hell, the poster doesn’t even put any other condition on any of his targets other than bleeding – talk about easy cleansing.

Dee Jay.2460:

I haven’t lost a single 1v1 since playing P/D in PvP and WvW.

Sword/Dagger probably does have the best chance to beat it but it’s still not going to be easy because you need to melee him from behind.

Honestly I don’t know of any build of class that can reliably beat a P/D Thief.

I love fighting P/D thieves. I never lose to one. That’s because I trait Shadow’s Embrace (condition removal on stealth) and Shadow’s Rejuvenation (regenerate health on stealth). A P/D thief simply does not have the burst to kill me when I remove his conditions and heal myself every three seconds.

But I also have to kill all the PvE in the area that we’re fighting because these guys like to cheeze it up and use C&D on random deer and critters to stay hidden. . . .

Grazingcattle.1627:

with the signet being at ~12 seconds recharge and the cool down on the Superior runes of Altruism being 10, would taking these Runes and your signet be worth it?

3 stacks of might for 11.5 sec
Fury for 5.75 sec
on a 12 sec CD
for the entire party

For a dagger/dagger Crit damage build would this be worth it? Or should you just stick with runes of divinity?

I do use Altruism, but not all of the runes. Just for kicks, I add two Strength runes and two Fire runes. I also trait for might on dodge, might on stealth, full Acrobatics and Bowl of Orrian Truffle and Meat Stew. If I feel like it, I also trait Signets of Power.

Dodge a few times (6 stacks), stealth once (2 stacks), hit Signet of Agility (5 stacks), dodge a few times (6 stacks), stealth again (2 stacks), pop Signet of Malice (8 stacks).

Yep, I’m clever like that.

Two traits:

Infusion of Shadow & Hidden Assassin.

Get them.

OP, what server are you on?

I sent you a PM, Obsidian.

My wife and I just trasferred to this server and we are loving it. We brought a few of our friends, too. The story behind this server is very touching and is the primary reason why we joined. Not to mention that the players on this server are all very helpful and communicate very well in WvW.

I strongly recommend anyone who is even thinking of finding a new home to give Sanctum of Rall a look. Join something that is more than just a server name.

I wouldn’t take it too harsh. It’s just that a lot of people have seen this exact same build and it’s the same fights over and over: CnD, #1, repeat.

I actually love it when I get jumped by a thief that plays this build. For some reason, I seem to be the only thief that actually has condition removal on stealth.

Oh, and finally, I personally find it extremely cheezy when a thief uses CnD on PvE in WvW. Nothing screems skillless than using an ability on a nonagressive mob to get away from PvP in a PvP map.

Hygeria.9538:

JakobGW.5730:

appledainty.8127:

If you would like to receive an invite to the Team Dolyak mini guild, please send me an in-game mail and I will invite you. Perhaps if you wear the DOLY tag, the CD players will have mercy on you as you make your way north. There is also, apparently, a guild with the tag DUEL that you can join if you want to duel players from other servers.

I’m fairly certain that like…five people will show up, and randoms will end up killing all of us and the yak. XD But whatever, it’s about having fun.

I will be there!

Oh, nice. I’m in that DUEL guild. There isn’t much people in it, so representing to set up duels is a bit more difficult then it seems. Nevertheless, it’s pretty cool to set up stuff like that. I can try to check out the dolyak thing, buut I forget what the tonics are called

I’m in the Duel guild as well. We were having a blast last night just before the servers went down to maintenence. Please spread the word about this guild; it really is a blast to take some time in a late weekday evening and see lots of 2v2’s, 3v3’s and 5v5’s. We had several last night with CD v. FA. I can’t wait to see a 2v2 or 3v3 with CD v. TC v. FA if we get enough interest.

appledainty.8127:

If you would like to receive an invite to the Team Dolyak mini guild, please send me an in-game mail and I will invite you. Perhaps if you wear the DOLY tag, the CD players will have mercy on you as you make your way north. There is also, apparently, a guild with the tag DUEL that you can join if you want to duel players from other servers.

I’m fairly certain that like…five people will show up, and randoms will end up killing all of us and the yak. XD But whatever, it’s about having fun.

I will be there!

Niim.9260:

I think they should stop implementing mage style classes as well. Every MMO that has ever implemented mage classes has found these classes to become over powered…. yet more MMO companies ended up using the same mechanic over and over again, I don’t understand the logic.

If you are a future game designer please never implement such a poor mechanic into any game where you want serious pvp.

Hehe, great post.

Usagi.4835:

When I said that we want to go to Tier 2 and get spanked, I mean that we will get there, get thoroughly stomped, hopefully learn something and improve! THAT is the sole reason why people want to move up to Tier 2 atm. We KNOW we will get stomped, almost certainly. But we also know that we’re not ready. But even so, what’s important is learning from the experience.

Usagi.4835:

I don’t understand why you can’t take what I say at face value, like I must be lying or twisting the truth.

I’m merely pointing out that some things that you are saying are contradictory and don’t make sense. For example, you mention that your server is not “ready” to get stomped. So, how does one become “ready” to be stomped??

Let me put it this way: do you say to yourselves, “Okay guys. We’re not ready this week to get stomped, but we may be ready next week to get stomped!”? Are you learning tactics and strategies now that will help you get stomped? Are you trying to improve as a server so that you will be more prepared to be stomped?? What can you possibly do now to assist you when you get stomped?

Does that make sense to you? It shouldn’t, because every server is ready to get stomped. That’s how you learn and improve!

I don’t agree with Rhonyn that TC is ready for tier 2 for reasons stated above. I do think you all need more coverage. But when I read posts like your’s that explain that TC doesn’t want to go to tier 2 to get stomped because they aren’t ready but not due to lack of numbers, that raises a big, red flag that there are other reasons why you don’t want to be in teir 2. A plausable one could be that you simply can’t do it, so you decide instead to farm easy wins.

Finally, I’m not sidestepping anything. I’m simply letting our words speak for themselves.

Usagi.4835:

JakobGW.5730:

Usagi.4835:

FOR FUTURE REFERENCE, LET ME MAKE IT CLEAR: There are a great many of us on Tarnished Coast who have repeatedly expressed their indifference towards moving up a tier.

Usagi.4835:

Most of us want TC to move up to Tier 2 and get spanked.

So a “great many” of you want to stay and farm tier 3, but “most” of you want to move up to tier 2? I don’t get it. I guess most of you are catering to the great many of you who just want to farm wins in tier 3?

EDIT: I just realized you said that a great many of you are actually indifferent which means that most of you are catering to folks who don’t care? That makes what you wrote even more bizarre.

I suppose CD could stay in tier 4, simply farm easy wins with our population, and come to these forums and say, “Well we don’t want to get to teir 3 because we’ll just get spanked. We need more practice! Let’s just farm these easy wins, without learning really anything important, and claim that we’re not ready for tier 3.”

Or, CD could just advance to tier 3, knowing that we’ll get spanked and actually accomplish something and improve.

Spoiler Alert!: You’ll never get to tier 2 even if you wanted to. At least not until (1) you get more players or (2) players leave the top 6 servers. That doesn’t mean you can’t try.

If you don’t “want,” “desire” or “care to” reach tier 2, that’s fine. But trying to play it off like a great many of your server doesn’t want to be in tier 2 because of que’s, organization, or practice, is a bunch of bull. There are no more que’s that I’m aware of on weekday nights in tier 2, and if you really wanted to learn organization and practice, you would fight someone who would actually be a challenge.

You’re just trying to make excuses for farming easy wins.

Please don’t tell me what I’m doing. It’s irritating.

I am telling you now that a lot of us aware that we are lacking in organisation, strategy and teamwork. I do not understand what you find so bizarre but then you seem to have trouble deciphering what people say (see above ‘reading comprehension’).

Nobody has said anything about farming easy wins in Tier 3. Stop picking at straws. It’s almost as grating as your inability to understand what I am saying.

IMPORTANT: If you had taken the trouble to read through previous posts or matchup threads, you would be painfully aware of many people’s attitudes towards Tier 2.

Don’t act as if people aren’t trying. That’s rude. Also, we’re not going to move up to Tier 2 because, from my understanding, we aren’t facerolling this tier which means we’re not gaining enough points to move up a rank. I don’t even know what you’re going on about.

Hypocrisy at its finest when you point fingers and call others forum warriors and yet, here you are, making snide remarks and being so forthright and condescending as to tell me what I’m saying is rubbish. Also, stop sidestepping what I say.

I’m going to repeat myself to make it clear; do not presume to tell me what I or anyone else is doing. And don’t pretend to know what we discuss on Tarnished Coast.

EDIT: Will you stop misquoting and twisting what people are saying? I’m not being a hypocrite; you’re just picking at my words and trying to twist their meaning. ._. Read what I’ve typed below and that might clear up the confusion.

When I said that we want to go to Tier 2 and get spanked, I mean that we will get there, get thoroughly stomped, hopefully learn something and improve! THAT is the sole reason why people want to move up to Tier 2 atm. We KNOW we will get stomped, almost certainly. But we also know that we’re not ready. But even so, what’s important is learning from the experience.

I think you need to read previous posts and matchup threads. That way, misunderstandings like this don’t happen.

Refusal to read previous posts (which isn’t difficult at all) is why there are some misinformed posters, such as yourself.

Sorry for using your words against you. My apologies. I actually thought that when you took the time to type something, you meant it. I guess you like to re-type what you say severals times and explain your inconsistancies before we get the full picture. I’ll remember that next time and do some research each time you post before responding.

Usagi.4835:

FOR FUTURE REFERENCE, LET ME MAKE IT CLEAR: There are a great many of us on Tarnished Coast who have repeatedly expressed their indifference towards moving up a tier.

Usagi.4835:

Most of us want TC to move up to Tier 2 and get spanked.

So a “great many” of you want to stay and farm tier 3, but “most” of you want to move up to tier 2? I don’t get it. I guess most of you are catering to the great many of you who just want to farm wins in tier 3?

EDIT: I just realized you said that a great many of you are actually indifferent which means that most of you are catering to folks who don’t care? That makes what you wrote even more bizarre.

I suppose CD could stay in tier 4, simply farm easy wins with our population, and come to these forums and say, “Well we don’t want to get to teir 3 because we’ll just get spanked. We need more practice! Let’s just farm these easy wins, without learning really anything important, and claim that we’re not ready for tier 3.”

Or, CD could just advance to tier 3, knowing that we’ll get spanked and actually accomplish something and improve.

Spoiler Alert!: You’ll never get to tier 2 even if you wanted to. At least not until (1) you get more players or (2) players leave the top 6 servers. That doesn’t mean you can’t try.

If you don’t “want,” “desire” or “care to” reach tier 2, that’s fine. But trying to play it off like a great many of your server doesn’t want to be in tier 2 because of que’s, organization, or practice, is a bunch of bull. There are no more que’s that I’m aware of on weekday nights in tier 2, and if you really wanted to learn organization and practice, you would fight someone who would actually be a challenge.

You’re just trying to make excuses for farming easy wins.

Urrid.4593:

JakobGW.5730:

That’s who.

Reading comprehension…

I didn’t say I wanted to be there, I was commenting on how we could get there, not a desire to be there.

I was also saying in a round about way that we (tc) have tons to improve upon as a server. I hope you don’t take this as chest beating!!! I know your middle school teachers must have been worried sick over you!

Wow. . . just . . . wow.

There is nothing in my post about “desire” in any fasion. You made the statement that TC couldn’t get to teir 2 without intense teamwork and I responded with my opinion about that comment and how I feel that you could get to teir 2. Somehow, the other posters have made this simple response to you now directed to them or their respective servers, and then complain about drama in this thread.

So who is really creating all this so-called “drama” that they are complaining so much about??

Stonesolid.2706:

JakobGW.5730:

Cogbyrn.7283:

Who said anything about wanting to be in T2?

Urrid.4593:

As far as t2 goes, were never going to get there without intense teamwork

That’s who.

Tarnished Coast, FA.. same difference, right? lol

All this drama is hilarious. Lots of popcorn and /facepalms on my part.. but maybe I don’t take the whole score and tier thing as serious as everyone else.

What? I’m still trying to figure out if you’re being sarcastic or realized that you made a mistake. A TC guy was talking about moving up to tier 2 with intense teamwork and I responded. Then you, a FA player, wanted to know who said anything about tier 2. So I responded with an answer. I wasn’t even talking about FA but somehow you’re trying to make that dicussion about your server. It appears that you’re trying to stir up drama about your server (when it wasn’t even your server being addressed) and then complain about drama!

Cogbyrn.7283:

Who said anything about wanting to be in T2?

Urrid.4593:

As far as t2 goes, were never going to get there without intense teamwork

That’s who.

DivineBeing.2086:

JakobGW.5730:

Next week will the be 7th week in a row that TC has been at the top of tier 3, never advancing up the tiers and fighting the same three servers over the course of almost two months: CD, FA, YB. I don’t see any amount of teamwork that’s going to get you to teir 2. If you don’t have it by now, you’ll never get it.

You need numbers. I personally would find it extremely boring to log in week after week, fighting the same servers, knowing that you will win by numbers, but also knowing that you’re never going to advance or get better. In fact, your overall rating is actually declining this week.

If you want to get to teir 2, you need to market the server and get more players or hope that players in the top 6 servers either transfer off or stop playing.

I gotta ask, do you ever read previous posts? I mean seriously. This will be the 2nd time I have to remention a previous post.

There are a lot of people (majority actually) who do not want to progress to tier 2 right nw. People are even telling others to take a break from WvW altogether or don’t push too hard.

Why you may ask? We are the original RP server. That means when Wintersday event comes, majority of us won’t be in WvW. So would it really be a good idea to try to push to tier 2 right now? Not at all.

We will see once Wintersday ends.

Yay! I got another response from my favorite forum warrior!

No, I don’t sit all day studying the posts in one thread. My post was actually directed to Urrid who stated,

“As far as t2 goes, were never going to get there without intense teamwork. . . .”

Do you read previous posts? I mean seriously?

Next week will the be 7th week in a row that TC has been at the top of tier 3, never advancing up the tiers and fighting the same three servers over the course of almost two months: CD, FA, YB. I don’t see any amount of teamwork that’s going to get you to teir 2. If you don’t have it by now, you’ll never get it.

You need numbers. I personally would find it extremely boring to log in week after week, fighting the same servers, knowing that you will win by numbers, but also knowing that you’re never going to advance or get better. In fact, your overall rating is actually declining this week.

If you want to get to teir 2, you need to market the server and get more players or hope that players in the top 6 servers either transfer off or stop playing.

DivineBeing.2086:

JakobGW.5730:

Again, more speculation. How do you know I was with only 10 players?

Oh, wait. I’m sorry. It must be a fact that I was with only 10 players because you stated so here in this thread on these forums.

My bad. I completely forgot that everything stated on the forums is a fact.

Is this guy for real? Or am I feeding a troll? You got me guys lol. Good one.

No. I’m completely fake.

/facepalm

DivineBeing.2086:

JakobGW.5730:

Again, most of this is pure speculation:
1. My crew as well as myself didn’t follow a commander. We just kill, whether you appear green or red to us doesn’t matter.
2. The earlier screenshots look exactly like they did on Friday night, when both FA and CD attacked TC borderlands. You saying there was an alliance then too?

I honestly don’t blame TC for beefing this up a bit. I would too if I were on your server. It’s a perfect morale booster to say, “Look! We had two servers form an alliance against us and we still came out victorious!”

Cool, so your group of 10 players didn’t know.

Again, more speculation. How do you know I was with only 10 players?

Oh, wait. I’m sorry. It must be a fact that I was with only 10 players because you stated so here in this thread on these forums.

My bad. I completely forgot that everything stated on the forums is a fact.

Astry.9476:

Kerithlan.1659:

It’s likely imagined on my part, but it looks as though FA is getting a raw deal out of the current alliance. Is that because things didn’t work out correctly at the start of the week?

Basically what I’m asking is, from the FA perspective, is everything going as planned now that you’ve settled into the alliance phase of things?

As someone that’s on wvw quite often, I have to ask:

What alliance?

If players are red on my screen, usually I attack regardless of what the name says.

Exactly.

DivineBeing.2086:

JakobGW.5730:

I played a little this morning and had no idea about some “alliance” between FA and CD. None of my friends playing did either. If I had to make a guess, I’d say about 20% (at the most) of both servers had any idea of this so-called “alliance” this morning with most if not all of those involved logging off by now. I wouldn’t put too much weight on it.

Only the big guilds or perhaps the commanders leading zergs knew. Based on the screenshots of maps, one side FA, other side CD, I’d say the commanders knew exactly what was going on which is what truly matters since the other 80% of people on the BL will follow a commander or follow orders of a commander. You may have been part of the grand scheme without even being aware of it.

So I will put a lot of weight on it.

Again, most of this is pure speculation:
1. My crew as well as myself didn’t follow a commander. We just kill, whether you appear green or red to us doesn’t matter.
2. The earlier screenshots look exactly like they did on Friday night, when both FA and CD attacked TC borderlands. You saying there was an alliance then too?

I honestly don’t blame TC for beefing this up a bit. I would too if I were on your server. It’s a perfect morale booster to say, “Look! We had two servers form an alliance against us and we still came out victorious!”

DivineBeing.2086:

For those on TCdo not be discouraged. This took 2x overnight server populations to take out TC’s overnight crew.

TC is stronger during the day and even stronger at night.

We will see the ppt by midnight.

Even if we don’t have top ppt by midnight, keep in mind, this is TWO server populations against OURS lol. This is nothing to be ashamed about to lose to. But if we top them, well….that says a lot.

Go TC go!

Update: Why looky there….. Good job TC. Already top the charts within an hour! Haha! Man, I wish I could play today….

I played a little this morning and had no idea about some “alliance” between FA and CD. None of my friends playing did either. If I had to make a guess, I’d say about 20% (at the most) of both servers had any idea of this so-called “alliance” this morning with most if not all of those involved logging off by now. I wouldn’t put too much weight on it.

DemonCow.5328:

Altie.4571:

Let me start of by saying TC is as big as it was 4 weeks ago and their ability to cover 2 maps is not matched in this tier.

To FA: As one of the commanders I continually preached that we can’t fight FA, we need to focus TC. However that went out the window when for two days straight FA maintained a strong presence in our borderlands. While some people seem to be able to focus on the larger objective, the overall zerg is focused on “easier” points, so they attack us. We have to respond in kind.

If we continually see GODS and PRO pushing TC BL I’m sure most of us will get the hint.

As for CD, keep the fight going. 18k point differential is not big, we still have a chance to keep TC in our sights. As a competitive person, I want to keep TC back in t3 because if we don’t, it means they owned us. As a strategist, I’ve seen IoJ in tier 2 … none of us want to see them YET. (this includes YB).

Bring on the fight and above all please remember it’s a game, have fun.

I have to say, from our perspective on TC, it would be nice to see you two fighting each other a little more. However, this has been quite an enjoyable match so far.

I’d like to move up to tier 2 next week, although we probably won’t be able to stay up there. Fighting FA is getting a bit stale, and I’m sure they would agree. It would do us a bit of good to have a change of scenery if only for a week.

I also can’t wait to see when you guys finally turn on each other if it starts to look like Yak’s Bend might move back up into 9th.

When’s the last time you’ve been to tier 2, like two months ago, maybe longer? The problem is that TC can’t muster up enough points to make it to tier 2, but has way more than enough people to dominate tier 3. So the server sets right where it is, neither going up or down. In fact, your overall score is going down this week, while CD and FA are actually going up. Which basically means you’ll just stay where you are, never advancing or rising in the tiers, bullying the lesser populated servers with your numbers.

http://mos.millenium.org/matchups#NA

From our prospective on CD, we would LOVE for ya’ll go to tier 2. I can’t think of a better week in WvW than against Yak and FA. At least we could have a good match where all three servers actually have even numbers.

So, we decided to try and protect our supply camp at Bluewater until some folks from the guild named One Man Riot from Maguuma decided to exploit a spot near the camp. They would attack, begin to lose, and when they were about to die, run to a spot near the hillside where they would crowd up and become invulnerable and continue to do damage to us. I just wanted to point out that these folks are cheaters and to let the community know.

My wife and I got dc’d at 50% health of the Ancient Karka only to log back in just 20 seconds later to a different overflow. We spent the entire time doing the entire kittenucking event only to get absolutely nothing at the end.

The only thing funny about your screenshot is the +55.

=D