Guild Wars 2

aydenunited.5729:

Jason Segel.2908:

My overall point is, if the Mesmer turns me into a MOA at all, it’s an automatic lose. It shouldn’t be 10 seconds of being a bird. That’s instant death. It should be turning me into a bird for 2-4 seconds with a 90 second cooldown to 2 min cooldown. 10 seconds is legit enough time for one person to completely kill another person. Think about it, go duel someone and stand still for 10 seconds, that is exactly what happens when you get turned into a MOA, you have 1 attack, “peck” deals almost no damage.

If that isn’t the best rofl stomp the devs ever came up with to troll anyone who doesn’t roll a mesmer, I don’t know what is…

Use the dodge button to run. Hide behind a line of sight object. If he chases you, make him follow. It’s pretty easy to burn that 10 seconds up, and even if you don’t, that’s 1 more mesmer that isn’t using the portal function, which is by FAR more useful to anyone with common sense. MoA is for pub stomping, perioud, and pub/pug play in GW2 is for glory only, not for winning. If that’s a problem or not is up to you, but I’m just saying no team in their right mind is speccing MoA mesmers in competitive tPvP play unless they just have a random extra mesmer to burn a useless move on.

He turned me into a MOA and instant knocked me on the ground. 4-5 seconds later I was dead. Nothing could have been done.

Eurosdown.6072:

Step 1: switch to another build, condition for example… minion-oriented builds tend to do poorly in sPvP in my experience, because they tend to run around all over the place and get themselves killed by aoe

Step 2: watch for the Moa cast and dodge it

Step 3: if step 2 fails and you get Moa-d, run away, use line of sight, and dodge. You may not be able to damage the Mesmer, but it’s quite easy to make him unable to damage you as well

The guy who rofl stomped me was so sure of himself, he didn’t make any clones of himself at all. We met up, and did a bunch of 1 v 1. He proved his class deals 10 times as much burst damage as mine does. After being turned into the MOA, I legit died in less than 5 seconds, I was a MOA and I was on the ground and couldn’t move(not like it matters cuz you can only “peck” which deals 100 dmg…) and he rofl stomped me. He used one move and got me instantly.

The next few fights he didn’t even use that move and still rofl stomped me by hitting me with 5,000 + attacks, of which my main attack deals 3,000 over a 3 second channel if i crit… He used all instant attacks it seemed like.

Not sure what to tell you, this really happened. Can’t dodge him when you’re on the ground and have no abilities to get up or heal or protect with. Sorry, you’re whole argument is invalid. The second you’re a bird you lost the fight. Just click respawn.

Dust Bunny.1652:

Run a toughness/condition necro. A well timed epidemic/plague can send the mesmer to oblivion.
I’ve started playing mesmer yesterday as my 5th PvP class, well 6th if I consider the 2 days playing ele in beta. I have to day that after like 1-2 hours you can get a hang of it, and it’s fun city. Easy to play.
You can get over 230 points in pubs easily, depending on map (forest of npc pawnage seem to be the best map for quick rank farm),

You could have 5,000 toughness and 35,000 hp. If you are turned into a bird with your only move being “peck” for 10 seconds, you lose. There is no coming back from that because you are at such low health if you even did survive that you can’t heal back up because the Healing Per Second in this game max is 400-700 and DPS for mesmer is 6,000. It’s impossible to recover from unless you have all protection spells, and even then if you’re a guardian you lose.

My overall point is, if the Mesmer turns me into a MOA at all, it’s an automatic lose. It shouldn’t be 10 seconds of being a bird. That’s instant death. It should be turning me into a bird for 2-4 seconds with a 90 second cooldown to 2 min cooldown. 10 seconds is legit enough time for one person to completely kill another person. Think about it, go duel someone and stand still for 10 seconds, that is exactly what happens when you get turned into a MOA, you have 1 attack, “peck” deals almost no damage.

If that isn’t the best rofl stomp the devs ever came up with to troll anyone who doesn’t roll a mesmer, I don’t know what is…

Kryank.8069:

dreamless.6539:

This problem should fix itself after a while. You don’t have to l2p, but if enough other people l2p then most Mesmers will switch to Time Warp and you’ll have a whole new set of problems.

Lols now then there will be some QQ’s on the forums, my guild mates wet them selves when I pop that with melee dps around.

Also to OP I played a healing imperial agent in SWTOR but what you forget is that there is no trinity in GW2, and hence no really healing class, you cannot out heal any damage source in PvP, you need to be more mobile use evade etc, and make the best use of your cc, GW2 seems to be more based around an offensive use of skills than a defensive one (apart from bunker guardians), and this now makes it clearer why you maybe feel hard done by, there are no healers in this game, and I think you maybe class your sef as one, and that is where you could be struggling with the game mechanics a bit.

It is very odd. But you can’t just have a beat all class that turns people into a bird and wins. It’s so messed up. No other MMO had an elite skill so OP it beats everything and there is no counter to it.

Kryank.8069:

Yes but the bird didn’t kill you and you can evade as. Bird, without knowing what skills they used it is hard to tell, but ALWAYS pay attention to your death screen. As a Mesmer I find it hard to believe that they got you down in 4 seconds as the bird cast animation takes a few seconds so really he dropped you to zero in 1 second, and if not you can’t have seen him coming which refers you to my above post, and also if you didn’t pay attention to the death screen how do you know it was the Mesmer alone who killed you??
if they were phantasm build they would not have long enough to pop up 2 phantasms in that time also the pistol phantasm would only get off 1 burst of fire that at best with crits may take off 8k and he couldn’t pop another dualist as they have a longer CD, so you are relying on his direct damage which against a strong toughness build would not drop you that fast, what is your HP pool like? Did you notice any phantasms, if so what were they.

I am asking because I hope this is a truthful post and that your facts are correct as I would hate to think this was just another troll post. Trying to draw hate due to the fact you feel hurt someone beat your build.

This is not meant as an insult but you can understand how your post reads.

Being turned into a bird for 10 seconds and all of your skills completely disappear is what kills you. What do you mean the “bird” didn’t kill me? He turned me into a bird. I am not trolling look it up. The necro build I was using had max toughness + hp + healing + removing conditions from myself. When you get turned into a bird all you can do is “peck”, all of your skills go away for 10 seconds. Try to survive against anyone attacking you when you can only “peck” for 10 seconds and it only deals 200 damage……

His first move turned me into a bird, and then I died before I was turned back into my Asura form. He legit killed me in about 4-5 seconds. I saw his hits on me and some of them said “5,000”. This was a 1vs1 duel and it was just me and him.

For anyone to hit 5,000’s there should be a class that can heal 5,000’s. To OP

Ergo Proxy.6219:

Just dodge or LoS when he tries to turn you into a Moa. It has a four minute cooldown ya know

You can’t possibly guess when he is going to turn you into a bird. That’s the dumbest response yet.

Boomshakaboom.5403:

looool you’re bad

I am bad because ArenaNet made it so I instantly lose 6 minions (that have combined 60,000 health that also heal me and take away conditions and should be able to take me out of bird form but they cant because they die) and I get turned into a bird for 10 seconds and I can’t do anything but “peck” which deals almost no damage. While he kills me in about 4 seconds literally.

So I am bad because I cannot form a defense against that elite skill he has? My elite skills do nothing near that. It is seriously the most OP thing to do, insta kill anyones followers/minions and down them in 4 seconds. Especially when it is against a necro minion master who has toughness stacked as much as possible + everything is set for healing. When I wasn’t a bird he still killed me in 4 seconds. It’s so OP to be hit by a 5,000 chunk and I can only heal 400-600 in the same amount of time.

Here is me healing in another MMO, I know quite a bit about how healing should work compared to damage. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PVrCJI7dRU&feature=g-upl

In SWTOR I had about 15,700 ish HP and I could land heals for as much as someone could dish out damage. In GW2 it is not even close for the necro class, even though everything I do heals me, it’s for very small amounts. Thus makingi a guardian a better fighter because they out DPS me and out Heal me. I did 1 v 1 with them too. makes no sense. Necro need huge healing boost.

Kryank.8069:

What skills killed you in the death screen?? Just trying to understand as a Mesmer myself what they could have done, did you have confusion or reflective bubble on you? The Mao bird will cancel your minions, as you are no longer an agent of death you are a bird so you don’t deserve the servants of death :p there is always a reason why you died, if I get 100b or pistol whipped to death I am usually annoyed with myself as I didn’t get out of the way or use my abilities to the best, or had burned cd’s before I got jumped. You can sometimes be unlucky, and in return the attacker can be lucky, but I really don’t see the need to bring your frustrations here and start yet another Thief/ Mesmer /guardian are OP thread, just accept you cannot win every match, it is not a perfect 1v1 dual that both sides are prepared for. I can tell you I TPvP a lot with my guild, and good players know how to deal with me very effectively if they get the jump or I am preoccupied, if your eyes and attention was somewhere else and you got jumped any decent player of any class would eat you (or any player up) as they get to plan there assault on you, stun locked and pistol whip or 100b, or pistol phantom, Mao bird, or what ever there specific build is.

I’m sorry you feel hard done by and that you have to post here, but you probably met a good player with a strong build that got the jump on you with there optimum rotation.

Better luck next time, don’t let it get you down.

Happy gaming

I did not look at the breakdown of the damage. His first move turned me into a bird. I looked it up and it says I am a bird for 10 seconds. Only 2 things block it, having Aegis and hoping he casts that while you have Aegis, and dodging it. Usually people don’t try to dodge the very first attack in my experience. What can you do? Your minions insta die and you’re a bird for 10 seconds, and he can kill you in 4 seconds.

It has nothing to do with my build, my class. Any class going up against someone who does that automatically loses, except on the off chance they randomly dodge or have Aegis when he casts that. He can cast it at anytime also, so it wouldn’t matter, there is no way to know it is coming and it’s the instant beat all in any fight with any class. You can’t say it’s not.

I don’t get itttttttttttttttttttttttt

I did about 13 hours of spvp so far. I am a level 56 necro and use the minion master build for toughness, am specced to heal everytime I hit, everytime I crit, everytime minions hit, sigils steal health, rune’s grant regen, and my equipped weapons siphon health and grant regen(Update, I don’t anymore for pvp at necro DPS is 1/3 of mesmer/theif dps, plus necor minions DPS is legit 1/4th compared to other peoples summones, broken build Arena net). So my build is as much based on regaining health as possible. Upon facing a mesmer in a 1 vs 1 duel, which they rofl stomped me in under 6 seconds, seeing myself get hit for 5,000 hits…Not to mention guardians can heal through it but a necro specced for all the above can only heal for 400-800 Healing Per Second but a guardian can get 4,000-5,000 Healing Per Second???

I am really wondering how that happened? I am as much toughness as one can really get and was using all the right moves to have retaliation and protection and whatever you can imagine.

Then I fight them again, I get turned into a bird by their elite skill… What!?!??! It insta kills all 6 of my minions…. How does me getting turned into a bird translate into them dealing over 60,000 damage to kill all my minions? One move insta kills minions with combined hp of 60,000…. Really?? That is supposed to happen and isn’t a bug?? Seriously? Why? What class in ANYGAME can do that to anyone? Then once I am turned into a bird, I get rofl stomped in about 4 seconds again…

The whole purpose of minion master, is to use them to steal health, draw conditions from me, deal extra damage from fighting, sacrfice for health or explode for small amount of damage, to have a disable/knockdown from the golem every 30 seconds. In reality you are better off rolling mesmer/theif because the DPS is easily over 4,000 and with Necro you will never get that.

Yet a mesmer elite skill can just insta kill all the minions which I rely on, and makes it so it completely shuts down everything my build tries to do. Even when they didn’t turn me into that bird, they literally are killing me faster than any other class in an MMO I ever played can deal dps at! They are killing me as fast as two stealthed assassins using their best move to come out of stealth and what not from other MMO’.

COME ON!

Can you really say that makes sense? No matter what traits I use, armor I wear, there is no way I could ever beat a mesmer who has whatever build that guy has. I understand a mesmer might be the anti necro, but to down me in 5-6 seconds when my whole build is toughness, health, steal health? The damage output is like 5,000+ DPS for him , while my healing would only be like 400-700 HPS max. Come on! lol If you are gonna make a guardian be able to heal 4,000-5,000 HPS and you give a necro a whole trait line where you can spend 30 points to siphon health and heal, at least make it siphon more health it makes no sense. A necro does less damage and also heals less than a guardian easily while using minons…. I think the whole point of having a minion master build, is that your minions provide you a better play style, heal you more, make you tougher. But nope, you want me to RNG RNG RNG. Now I have to Run and Gun, get rid of all my minions, cast bleed/poison/blindness and just keep mashing my side step key. Thanks for the RNG

TLDR, to make it fair change it from 10 seconds and 3 min cooldown to 2-4 seconds and maybe 60-90 second cooldown(as I believe mesmers would love that change because you can play more dynamically as the class is intended for interupting)

Or give every class the same thing, the second you give my necro and others “Turn enemy into zombie for 10 seconds” is the second this will make sense.