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Lol thanks for the laugh guys, I had a long day and I needed that.
Back on topic, 900 range trap throwing would be something I want to push for full force. The 600 range has never really made much sense to me personally, since it’s an in between range that doesn’t really compliment our ranged weapons that start at 900+ since it makes us sacrifice superior positioning, or melee which wouldn’t really be all the concerned about throwing traps since we already have lots of leaps and inherent soft CC to stick to the target at a range where we wouldn’t need to throw traps.
That extra 300 range wouldn’t really break anything that I can see. As a matter of fact, it would increase the viability of traps in group play in both WvW and PvP, and by now I think people should realize that competitive build options are the way to my heart lol.
So yes, I approve of Prysin’s suggestion and prior approval
The only other real improvement that I would suggest for traps is not for more range. I would suggest that they don’t require line of sight (like engineer grenades), and also have a small arc when thrown, that way, you don’t have to stand on the very edge of walls in order to throw them at enemies on the ground below.
Otherwise, you already know my thoughts on giving traps more damage or even more effects on top of two already overloaded traits.
On the contrary, I find it interesting, when choices must be made.
Given that the choices are all interesting in different ways (and not about taking the less bad option). This is, imho, what allows for build diversity.
Eg; arrows – piercing is interesting in bus, velocity in solo PvP play.
Reduced Cd is more interesting in some settings, while more damage is in other settings.
The point should not be to stack traits that have an effect on one thing, but to pick the trait that is the more convenient.(I’m not saying some traits consolidation is not desired, just that different traits having different effects on different gameplays is not, in itself, a bad thing – as long as the traits do bring something)
No, its not a bad thing, I agree (its what I’ve been saying about the Longbow’s many traits), but, loading absolutely everything trap related on two trap traits….., I think is a bad thing. That doesn’t promote build diversity. (removing the useless trapper’s defense trait), There’s room for a third trap trait that doesn’t involve consolidation that could, for example, change our traps to deal only physical damage instead of condition damage, or, have all our triggered traps daze the target for a split second on each pulse (yeah, you’re really going to regret going near me!).
These would seperate but equal build choices for traps instead of taking everything at once, which we shouldn’t need to be doing if trap traits ever get expanded on. Just tacking even more effects onto already existing traits doesn’t increase build diversity. Adding new traits that change gameplay in interesting ways does.
Sorry, my mistake for thinking you meant something you didn’t 
And yep, a trait focusing on direct damage (as we have a condi one) would be neat 
Lol thanks for the laugh guys, I had a long day and I needed that.
Back on topic, 900 range trap throwing would be something I want to push for full force. The 600 range has never really made much sense to me personally, since it’s an in between range that doesn’t really compliment our ranged weapons that start at 900+ since it makes us sacrifice superior positioning, or melee which wouldn’t really be all the concerned about throwing traps since we already have lots of leaps and inherent soft CC to stick to the target at a range where we wouldn’t need to throw traps.
That extra 300 range wouldn’t really break anything that I can see. As a matter of fact, it would increase the viability of traps in group play in both WvW and PvP, and by now I think people should realize that competitive build options are the way to my heart lol.
So yes, I approve of Prysin’s suggestion and prior approval
The only other real improvement that I would suggest for traps is not for more range. I would suggest that they don’t require line of sight (like engineer grenades), and also have a small arc when thrown, that way, you don’t have to stand on the very edge of walls in order to throw them at enemies on the ground below.
Otherwise, you already know my thoughts on giving traps more damage or even more effects on top of two already overloaded traits.
On the contrary, I find it interesting, when choices must be made.
Given that the choices are all interesting in different ways (and not about taking the less bad option). This is, imho, what allows for build diversity.
Eg; arrows – piercing is interesting in bus, velocity in solo PvP play.
Reduced Cd is more interesting in some settings, while more damage is in other settings.
The point should not be to stack traits that have an effect on one thing, but to pick the trait that is the more convenient.
(I’m not saying some traits consolidation is not desired, just that different traits having different effects on different gameplays is not, in itself, a bad thing – as long as the traits do bring something)
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To be fair, a Mesmer doesn’t have 2 stacking damage multipliers
Not that I think the picture is OP. We know it happens exactly once every min due to signet cooldown. Every other crit is in the 2k range.
And to be fair, not every rangers run boring signet builds… that costs us 2 utilities that we could otherwise use for survivability, while mesmers bursts can be really high, on a pretty low CD… and at the cost of no utilities…
Oh absolutely, and without those 2 signets and a 30pt trait, you’re not going to hit those numbers. Not without a lot of outside assistance anyway.
That was part of what I meant
Our burst is pretty small, compared to other classes.
It’s on a high CD, and cannot work if we do not have the one trait to make it work…Wyrden asks a nerf to LB, arguing it does too much damage, while it’s class damage for the same kind of weapon is higher than our.
The signets you mention, that is pretty much all that can really give some damage, are on a consequent CD, and most rangers would hardly pop then on LB – Keep them for GS stun (pop signets) maul / counter-attack, which ends up doing pretty much more than (pop signets) + LB AA…
I’ll go out naked with my rangers, let myself be hit, an come complain on forums that x class is op because it hit me for (that much) in (that much time), so it needs a be nerfed…
Doesn’t make much sense…
people do that with thieves all the time so why not with a ranger?
People complain about that from thieves, because the “that much damage” is when they are fully geared
(Edit: On a side note, I am not complaining about other classes, in most settings… I learn how to counter them… I win most of my fights against med-level PU mesmers, while they used to all eat me in two bursts. I don’t always win against thieves, but I get better, I’d say I have a 75% win ratio, hambow warrior still pose me some problems (maybe a 25%win ratio), as does most condies engies and necros builds…
But, I don’t complain that they are OP, I just go on the field and fight them until I find the workaround…
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To be fair, a Mesmer doesn’t have 2 stacking damage multipliers
Not that I think the picture is OP. We know it happens exactly once every min due to signet cooldown. Every other crit is in the 2k range.
And to be fair, not every rangers run boring signet builds… that costs us 2 utilities that we could otherwise use for survivability, while mesmers bursts can be really high, on a pretty low CD… and at the cost of no utilities…
Oh absolutely, and without those 2 signets and a 30pt trait, you’re not going to hit those numbers. Not without a lot of outside assistance anyway.
That was part of what I meant
Our burst is pretty small, compared to other classes.
It’s on a high CD, and cannot work if we do not have the one trait to make it work…
Wyrden asks a nerf to LB, arguing it does too much damage, while it’s class damage for the same kind of weapon is higher than our.
The signets you mention, that is pretty much all that can really give some damage, are on a consequent CD, and most rangers would hardly pop then on LB – Keep them for GS stun (pop signets) maul / counter-attack, which ends up doing pretty much more than (pop signets) + LB AA…
I’ll go out naked with my rangers, let myself be hit, an come complain on forums that x class is op because it hit me for (that much) in (that much time), so it needs a be nerfed…
Doesn’t make much sense…
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i made this post coz i couldnt believe a ranger was dealing 10 k dmg w AAno, you made this post for :
i do know that ranger needs a buff but the longbow only needs a nerf if every experiencedly traited ranger has such dmg, leads to mindless auto atk spamming
Just run the PU mesmer cheese build that locks it’s target into place, taking half of it’s life in one burst and that can place it every 15-20 seconds or so…
rangers have one burst build… evre somewhat 60 seconds… that is not half as strong as mesmers burst…To be fair, a Mesmer doesn’t have 2 stacking damage multipliers
Not that I think the picture is OP. We know it happens exactly once every min due to signet cooldown. Every other crit is in the 2k range.
And to be fair, not every rangers run boring signet builds… that costs us 2 utilities that we could otherwise use for survivability, while mesmers bursts can be really high, on a pretty low CD… and at the cost of no utilities…
not everyone likes running pu either, believe it or not there r still some shatter mesmers around.
and r u serious w saying i made the post about that? if u pls not leave out the part in wich i said only a 5% nerf in 1200+ range. if u cant see i stated that after some ppl said they hit harder.
And I showed you some numbers about why it does not make sense to nerf it, since basic damages on similar weapons, mesmer is higher.
Plus Mesmer do not have projectile speed getting in the way of GS long range DPS. It fires, and the target cannot just sidestep to avoid it… while, at max range, it is really easy to sidestep ranger LB…
I’d love to see someone sidestepping your GS AA that, as base damage, and at all range, does more damage than our AA…
So, before ranger longbow gets nerfed, I’d expect your GS to do no more damage than our LB…
Oh, I know, we have a pet… but you have phantasms and clones… and both are as reliable source of damage… I’d even argues that, in smaller settings, (until pet get fixed) the phantasm are more reliable than the pet (Just have to climb on something for the pet to never reach you, wile mesmers still have the ability to throw phantasm and clones at perched ennemies).
A mesmer that complains about the ranger’s DPS… Feels like a cat complaining about the mice…
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i made this post coz i couldnt believe a ranger was dealing 10 k dmg w AA
no, you made this post for :
i do know that ranger needs a buff but the longbow only needs a nerf if every experiencedly traited ranger has such dmg, leads to mindless auto atk spamming
Just run the PU mesmer cheese build that locks it’s target into place, taking half of it’s life in one burst and that can place it every 15-20 seconds or so…
rangers have one burst build… evre somewhat 60 seconds… that is not half as strong as mesmers burst…
To be fair, a Mesmer doesn’t have 2 stacking damage multipliers
Not that I think the picture is OP. We know it happens exactly once every min due to signet cooldown. Every other crit is in the 2k range.
And to be fair, not every rangers run boring signet builds… that costs us 2 utilities that we could otherwise use for survivability, while mesmers bursts can be really high, on a pretty low CD… and at the cost of no utilities…