Guild Wars 2

Yea they are taking the WoW locust route again. “Hey lets auto level the Legendaries that 99.9999% people with them, bought gold from gold farmers to acquire and/ or got EXTREMELY lucky”

Makes perfect sense to me, and here I thought people got the legendaries for the skins alone, the skins which was the only gear progression the game was promised as being.

the uprising.6317:

John Lucier.5486:

Jasher.6580:

My friends and I love these changes. And I am almost certain that most of the people whining are the GW1, GW2Guru guys. lol

You and your friends are 1%.

I can say 1% of the population only, likes the changes, because even if it is a little off, if you count the guarentee that they will be out of this game within a few months and back to WoW, it is like they never exist in this game in the first place.
The 1% that destroyed an MMO genre

Lol no they are not, this was something wanted by the majority of mmo gamers, as someone said previously, gear grind is only a real problem in pve or if new content becomes barred off b/c you didn’t grind enough.

Think about it, you wanted a game that was basically like every single player game, with a clear end and basically no more progression, even though the game has basically been about progression up until you get exotics. In your eyes why have progression at all? Why don’t you play orcs must die 2 on 1 level a thousand times without unlocking anything if you want games with absolutely no progression? Jesus you aren’t even in the right genre if you don’t like progression, there is tons of progression, I’m not level 80 yet so I can’t do all the lvl 80 dungeons, that is progression that bars me from parts of the game. Do I come here and cry about it? No I’m glad that there’s so much of the game left for me to work towards, and I was taking it slow b/c I thought previously there was literally nothing when I hit 80, now I know there is so I’ll be going full speed.

So I say Blue is a color,
then you quote me and say “Blue is not a color”
Good argument you have there,
clearly incorrect,
But 3/10 for attempt.

Interesting considering all my guild chats and 99% of the map chat in LA (not counting the lfg Fotm) are badmouthing the ascended gear, and justifiably so.
So much for the minority. If you take 100 people from multiple facits in game and 99 are against the ascended gear, you can therefore say the majority does not want the changes, even if the total population is something like a million or even 2.
The forums against it as well just make it oh much more obvious the majority is against ascended gear

Jasher.6580:

My friends and I love these changes. And I am almost certain that most of the people whining are the GW1, GW2Guru guys. lol

You and your friends are 1%.

I can say 1% of the population only, likes the changes, because even if it is a little off, if you count the guarentee that they will be out of this game within a few months and back to WoW, it is like they never exist in this game in the first place.
The 1% that destroyed an MMO genre

EndlessDreamer.6780:

… As far as I can tell, the window for refunds is one month. Pretty sure it’s in the TOS. So… patpatpat

Yup, I was right.

(d) Refund Request – If You do not accept the provisions of this agreement, You may request a refund for the Software, if you were required to pay for it and if it was purchased from NCsoft, within thirty (30) days of either the date on Your receipt or the date You created a Game Account, whichever is earlier. If the Software was purchased from a third party, You should request a refund from that third party. Such refund may be subject to that third party’s refund policies. If You purchased the Software from NCsoft and would like to issue a refund request from NCsoft, such a request must be made to the Notice Contact and include Your name, address, contact information, a copy of Your receipt, any applicable serial code number / access key, and a reason for the refund request. After clicking “I ACCEPT” below, You may not request a refund for the Software except where You are entitled to a refund in accordance with Your statutory rights under applicable law or where the provisions of this agreement allows You to request a refund.

Wrong. Refunds are valid for 6 months. If you purchased your game before 6 months ago, make sure to contact your card company and charge back EVERYTHING you spent on the game. I know my bank and card issuer cover me longer then 6mo

toffin.5032:

kKagari.6804:

Funny how actual GW1 fans are most offended by the new changes.

If GW1 fans are so upset about a grind, let them remember how many armor sets GW1 had. Most of which had numerous sets of.
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Armorer

Even in GvG/HA/RA/TA there was a grind. (Deer rank to Dragon)

When its all said and done, most of us are used to this. No game will just give you everything on a silver platter. FotM is a new way to get gear and not have to spend hours upon hours in Orr competing with bots for drops. It gives us something to do. Heck run fractal lvl1 over and over, gold/exotics will drop and we dont have to compete with bots for the loot. Its one way for anet to look/find out where these bots are and address it.

Stop posting misinformation, the top gear in GW1 was easy to aqcuire, and you farmed skins.

A lot of incorrect numbers being thrown around here. The difference between an exotic piece and an ascended piece is 50-60%. Remember that the % based multipliers are compounding. The back piece is it’s own animal since it not has a stat increase but adds double the stats, this % would be hard to get but alone its higher then 200% increase over backpieces that were available.

These are also NOT including the real stats on infusions

Yea heh, I didn’t mean it that way, and IllegalChocolate pretty much just nailed it on the head haha

Ostra.3927:

I actually agree Crater. This is bringing out some very bad things in some very good people. Myself included. I am definitely getting close to my complete troll phase which has not made an appearance since Shadowbane days.

This change of ideals in Anet that I knew for many years is simply sickening. BUT, I truly think they did not have a choice.

I will voice my opinion on these stupid ideas in multiple ways… but advocating illigal activities or violence on someone I (at least once and may still) respect is simply too much.

Keep on twisting my words

Crater.1625:

Uhh, guys, I’m as unhappy as anyone here but let’s not start advocating illegal kitten and actual attacks on ArenaNet based on a conspiracy theory hatched from a few vaguely related quest and character names. That’s pushing well past ‘intensely dissatisfied customer’ and well into ‘crazy reactionary nutso’ territory.

… no advocacy at all… I just said it would be something that, and I can guarentee I wouldn’t be the only one, who would giggle at if I saw it

If people are keen at twisting my words then I might as well delete it

IllegalChocolate.6938:

John Lucier.5486:

IllegalChocolate.6938:

John Lucier.5486:

IllegalChocolate.6938:

Don’t mean to burst bubbles here but… if this is true, the people who inserted these clues are gonna get struck down hard. Studios have their stuff logged and ID tagged so.. I am certain that with further deciphering of these “hidden messages”, innocent people from Anet are gonna have targets painted on their heads as a result of our public conversations on their forums.

Just saying.

not really. They wouldn’t have done it if they didn’t know they would be caught. That just means there are people at Arena net that already know this change means most if not ALL of their studio will be looking for jobs if this ascended gear is not removed
Plus if you are fired collecting unemployment is alot easier then if you quit, they probably have families and bills to pay

You actually have a point, security through self destruction.

From what I see there’s only a few options that us players have that can help them in their goals but at the expense of their own well being.

- refund requests
- continue to play and enjoy the game but don’t purchase gems and stay away from anything that is not in line with the manifesto
- bad word of mouth
- complete smear jobs on blogs and articles

Sounds crazy but this might be what they want.

I’m gonna continue playing after all, but I won’t be touching flavor of the month anytime soon or any ascended items for that matter. Gonna have to hold off on gem purchases and sit tight until things start going where they need to.

Same. I only do wvwvw, and that is mainly what I bought the game for, once I start seeing the new gear sets effecting fights there, I will be quitting and charging back any and all purchases made for the game, my bank covers me for a very long time thankfully. If only a group like Anonymous would step in and make it hell for them we’d have a real gaming revolution on our hands.

Anon? salvation through cyber terrorism, for the sake of the integrity of a corporation.. does that even make sense?

Wasn’t thinking about it like that, you are just letting your imagination get away from you. I said Like them, not exactly them. I would personally find it comedic if you went to the website one day and it was scribbled on badmouthing the Ascended gear, not that I would ever do something like that myself. It is not for the sake of Arena-net, its just a game. It would be more for gamers anyway, the ones that don’t want to be WoW drones and want to have an option in their entertainment choices not this monopolizing.

IllegalChocolate.6938:

John Lucier.5486:

IllegalChocolate.6938:

Don’t mean to burst bubbles here but… if this is true, the people who inserted these clues are gonna get struck down hard. Studios have their stuff logged and ID tagged so.. I am certain that with further deciphering of these “hidden messages”, innocent people from Anet are gonna have targets painted on their heads as a result of our public conversations on their forums.

Just saying.

not really. They wouldn’t have done it if they didn’t know they would be caught. That just means there are people at Arena net that already know this change means most if not ALL of their studio will be looking for jobs if this ascended gear is not removed
Plus if you are fired collecting unemployment is alot easier then if you quit, they probably have families and bills to pay

You actually have a point, security through self destruction.

From what I see there’s only a few options that us players have that can help them in their goals but at the expense of their own well being.

- refund requests
- continue to play and enjoy the game but don’t purchase gems and stay away from anything that is not in line with the manifesto
- bad word of mouth
- complete smear jobs on blogs and articles

Sounds crazy but this might be what they want.

I’m gonna continue playing after all, but I won’t be touching flavor of the month anytime soon or any ascended items for that matter. Gonna have to hold off on gem purchases and sit tight until things start going where they need to.

Same. I only do wvwvw, and that is mainly what I bought the game for, once I start seeing the new gear sets effecting fights there, I will be quitting and charging back any and all purchases made for the game, my bank covers me for a very long time thankfully.

IllegalChocolate.6938:

Don’t mean to burst bubbles here but… if this is true, the people who inserted these clues are gonna get struck down hard. Studios have their stuff logged and ID tagged so.. I am certain that with further deciphering of these “hidden messages”, innocent people from Anet are gonna have targets painted on their heads as a result of our public conversations on their forums.

Just saying.

not really. They wouldn’t have done it if they didn’t know they would be caught. That just means there are people at Arena net that already know this change means most if not ALL of their studio will be looking for jobs if this ascended gear is not removed
Plus if you are fired collecting unemployment is alot easier then if you quit, they probably have families and bills to pay

Also… if they are fired that just opens up the company to be hurt in their wallets even more via Wrongful Termination suit

If you are all about the treadmill I would bet thousands of dollars IRL that you werent in GW1 for more then a couple months.
That is how confident I am, so hopefully you are better at chasing that carrot then lieing

Columba.9730:

Daemon.6514:

krookie.6378:

I’m still hoping that they will read our feedback and rethink their stance on ascended gear. I wouldn’t even mind if they kept the rings and the back pieces which are already in the game. Since there are no exotic back pieces, as far as I know, the ascended pieces wouldn’t be much of a game breaking issue. The rings probably wouldn’t make much difference either.

But adding ascended weapons and armor is the absolute wrong way to go. Especially with how depended on the RNG this whole thing is.

actually the ascended gear does not rely on RNG at all, atleast not to the extent of the legendary precursors

the essence required for the backpack is 100% rng. I’ve been farming in there for 4 hours with +125% magic find. no luck.

Unfortunately at this point. Participating in the fractual/ascended grind is just like being an illegal drug user. You are doing something wrong as well, not just the drug dealer. If the majority acts like ascended is not even a part of the game, nor the dungeons that go along with it, guilds don’t let people in that are going for ascended gear…. etc It would certainly help the situation exponentially.

Think of it like that movie “Untraceable” With the website that has a live showing of someone being killed by a contraption, and they are killed faster by how many people visit the site. So the people visiting the site are an accessory to murder. This is a similar situation.
Since A_net is clearly not going to do anything about it. If you aren’t going to ask for a refund, then just play and don’t participate in the ascended gear crap or anything to do with it, but it has to be a huge chunk of the games population to do this or it will have little impact.
Boycotting the gem shop works too

.. There are already threads asking for gearscore. This is pitiful. Well you know what comes next ladies and gentlemen. 2 months there will be Pandas and Arena PVP for PVE players

Ahh but you can make a change and not compromise. If you were say able to form a huge player union/server union composed of people that refuse the new ascended gear+anything to do with it, and boycott ALL gem purchasing/trading, Then good for you! That is how you make a change

tjockis.3798:

John Lucier.5486:

fellyn.5083:

John Lucier.5486:

Azezin.4587:

With all the negative topics, just thought I’d say I’m freaking enjoying this game. One of my best purchases EVER. Bought it 1 week after it came out and still enjoying the hell out of it. Grats Anet.

I do share some of the worries of my fellow friends here about ascended gear, being left out of groups or falling behind friends (pretty casual myself), but you know? not all that worried really.

I’ll keep my own pace, and trust this is just what they say it is, a mechanic to help introduce new high end stuff on the long run without sacrificing players that play casually like myself.

I also keep in mind one of the best features, no monthly fees, if this where a monthly subscription MMOs, I would never have even tried it, but now I’m pretty sure ill be buying the expansions too.

Anyway, I guess I just wanted to give a thumb ups to Arena Net on what they have accomplished so far Feels like you guys need a pat in the back after reading through the apparent negativity floating around. Then again, I’m sure you already know satisfied players like are busy actually playing than posting here. Looking forward to what they plan for the future.

Welcome to 1% of the games population, put your seat back and tray tables in the upright lock position, and enjoy your month or 2 of playing a game then moving to/back to another game that does the treadmill better (ANY game is optional here)

Are you serious? You think only 1% of the game population is enjoying this? Is that why since friday afternoon there has been overflow queues in LA?

More people are having fun playing the game than not. I’m 100% sure of that. The people who are kittening about it on the forums don’t count for as much of the population as you would like us to think.

That being said, while the actual events were a little lackluster and poorly executed the fractal dungeons are great fun.

A. It is clear a HUGE majority of the population is against the ascended gear, wvwvw and PVE players alike.

B. LA was in overflow because of the EVENT, not for ascended gear. Exploration, not the ascended gear. Furthermore, less people in wvwvw because of a chain reaction of people doing the event causing less fights, so more people in LA afk/doing the EVENT.

C. Check server pop since patch, it has DROPPED

Again, welcome to the 1%

A. Show source, plz. I want to have your connections, since you know so much. Share!
B. Always new events attracts ppl, nothing new there.
C. Again, give numbers becuase on my server my feeling is thats its about same or even a little higher then before patch.

So if you dont can back things up, dont throw “facts” around you. Makes you look silly, boy.

If you are so miserable and grumpy, just stop comming to forum on a game you dont like. But i bet you and all other whiners still play, but just keep whining. Start thank the developers for a good game. Sure theres alot of improvments needed, but all this whining about this ascended gears, manifestos, “lies” and what not makes you look stupid.

A. Sample metric. 1% of all forum posts asked for stat based progression. /100 people in game asked 1 wanted stat based progression. Simple, anyone can do it.

B. Exactly, everytime they had an event the same thing happened. The topic however, is about Ascended gear. If you are having trouble learning to read, blame your education. If you are having trouble staying on topic, expect mod deletion.

C. You know there is this really cool and amazing button when you are at the login screen that shows server selection, when a HUGE portion of servers dropped in pop status levels on a WEEKEND, you know the pop is dropping fast.

Oh, now we are whining now? Sorry, but now I have to report you for trolling. Only trolls/younglings say people are whining because they disagree.

Enjoy
Welcome to the 1%

fellyn.5083:

John Lucier.5486:

Azezin.4587:

With all the negative topics, just thought I’d say I’m freaking enjoying this game. One of my best purchases EVER. Bought it 1 week after it came out and still enjoying the hell out of it. Grats Anet.

I do share some of the worries of my fellow friends here about ascended gear, being left out of groups or falling behind friends (pretty casual myself), but you know? not all that worried really.

I’ll keep my own pace, and trust this is just what they say it is, a mechanic to help introduce new high end stuff on the long run without sacrificing players that play casually like myself.

I also keep in mind one of the best features, no monthly fees, if this where a monthly subscription MMOs, I would never have even tried it, but now I’m pretty sure ill be buying the expansions too.

Anyway, I guess I just wanted to give a thumb ups to Arena Net on what they have accomplished so far Feels like you guys need a pat in the back after reading through the apparent negativity floating around. Then again, I’m sure you already know satisfied players like are busy actually playing than posting here. Looking forward to what they plan for the future.

Welcome to 1% of the games population, put your seat back and tray tables in the upright lock position, and enjoy your month or 2 of playing a game then moving to/back to another game that does the treadmill better (ANY game is optional here)

Are you serious? You think only 1% of the game population is enjoying this? Is that why since friday afternoon there has been overflow queues in LA?

More people are having fun playing the game than not. I’m 100% sure of that. The people who are kittening about it on the forums don’t count for as much of the population as you would like us to think.

That being said, while the actual events were a little lackluster and poorly executed the fractal dungeons are great fun.

A. It is clear a HUGE majority of the population is against the ascended gear, wvwvw and PVE players alike.

B. LA was in overflow because of the EVENT, not for ascended gear. Exploration, not the ascended gear. Furthermore, less people in wvwvw because of a chain reaction of people doing the event causing less fights, so more people in LA afk/doing the EVENT.

C. Check server pop since patch, it has DROPPED

Again, welcome to the 1%

Stormleaf.1769:

People that make threads like this sound just as pathetically outrageous as the people that were petitioning to secede from the United States after President Obama was re-elected.

It’s not as bad as you’re making it out to be. Not by a long shot.

^ Certainly not an Obama supporter
/End sarcasm

Hows that non-photo shopped or rather official PAPER based birth certificate coming?
Did not know they had much less only had digital birth certificates in 1961.

^_^

This sounds like a Compromise, which is the entire cause for this somewhere in A-net’s/NCsofts chain of command. A Compromise that will just be turning the other cheek, and letting them get away with it in the future.

The real premise of players of this game, the ones that bought it for the manifesto, will not compromise, and will not stop leaving in droves till the new tier is REMOVED from the game or made completely equal stat wise with Exotic.

Azezin.4587:

With all the negative topics, just thought I’d say I’m freaking enjoying this game. One of my best purchases EVER. Bought it 1 week after it came out and still enjoying the hell out of it. Grats Anet.

I do share some of the worries of my fellow friends here about ascended gear, being left out of groups or falling behind friends (pretty casual myself), but you know? not all that worried really.

I’ll keep my own pace, and trust this is just what they say it is, a mechanic to help introduce new high end stuff on the long run without sacrificing players that play casually like myself.

I also keep in mind one of the best features, no monthly fees, if this where a monthly subscription MMOs, I would never have even tried it, but now I’m pretty sure ill be buying the expansions too.

Anyway, I guess I just wanted to give a thumb ups to Arena Net on what they have accomplished so far Feels like you guys need a pat in the back after reading through the apparent negativity floating around. Then again, I’m sure you already know satisfied players like are busy actually playing than posting here. Looking forward to what they plan for the future.

Welcome to 1% of the games population, put your seat back and tray tables in the upright lock position, and enjoy your month or 2 of playing a game then moving to/back to another game that does the treadmill better (ANY game is optional here)

Lt Latency.7415:

John Lucier.5486:

Lt Latency.7415:

Waffler.1257:

I don’t understand these arguments against people seeking refunds saying they got their moneys worth. We know that some people have successfully received refunds for the game, so if you don’t plan on playing the game anymore because you don’t approve of the direction what is wrong with trying to get your money back?

Just like if a bank extends a loan to a company and the company goes bankrupt. The bank could say, well I knew there was a chance of default when I made the loan so I will accept the entire loss. But I can guarantee the smart banks will send over every lawyer they have to recover as much as possible before the company’s other creditors do.

They reason for the change is player retention. People play time is WAY WAY down for this game. If people were still playing like crazy this wouldn’t even be a issue but it’s not the case.

Yes, they did make a change, But that is because people aren’t staying.

When you buy a game that tries new things, the company is taking a risk and so are you when you support them. If you choose not to support companies while they try new things, They WON’T try new things.

Yes sometimes, you will get burned when that new thing doesn’t work, but if we want companies to take risks we have to take them as well.

Logic is a little flawed here, people leaving the game before the ascended gear were a part of one of the following groups:

A. Never really paid attention to what the game was supposed to be about, or the philosophy behind it, just mainly bought into the new thing, then realized later it wasn’t their thing. These people would have left anyway and most aren’t coming back for this treadmill because other games do it better.

B. Avid fans of the genre, and knew what they were buying in to. Bought the game for the no treadmill, no grind manifesto. However, due to bugs, lack of S/T PVP features, or what they perceived as class/build imbalances left the game. This group is HUGE compared to group A. Simply having a Patch Test Server from the start, and listening to the community when they nerf the wrong things, as well as fixing bugs before injecting content/nerfing would have kept many from this group around.

Most of the people I know, knew what they were doing and stopped because we have done everything. Even if they didn’t know what there were getting they still want people to stay

Avid fans of the genre should know by now nothing is ever balanced, Sometimes you are the best some times you are the worst. That is just the way it goes.
It has been that way since EQ and it will never change because balance is hard when you have 400 skills 10 stats blah blah blah

And… you and “Most of the people you know” Fall into group A.
Your telling me you (and most of the people you know) had 1 of every class all with 100% map completion, all achievements, lvl 80, full exotic sets for every spec as well as all skins, and had every legendary possible? Because that is “doing everything and having nothing left”

Us Avid fans know nothing is balanced, but when they do things like nerf Pistol Whip instead of quickness or not fix bugs on necro/engineer, or destroy a lot of worthless builds on ranger even more, never touch culling, and then have the nerve to add content like Halloween events but not features that were supposed to be included at launch for S/T PVP players, you best be kitten sure we have a LOT to be extremely upset over

Tulisin.6945:

Lokheit.7943:

Caltrops is a good skill, but once you start facing opponents that know where to put their feet, it starts to decrease its efficency.

It starts to decrease in efficiency when your opponent is better than you, just like most skills. Conversely, it “increases in efficiency” if you’re way better than your opponent. Can’t really use differing skill levels to evaluate how good a skill is.

Strawman Alert!

If you are using SoM in wvwvw, I’ve got news for you. Good Luck
Facing any non AFK opponent, with even the least amount of skill possible, will render any healing from SoM meaningless. Maybe some here have just made use of SoM facing extremely, and I mean EXTREMELY bad players in wvwvw, but when EVERY class has multiple abilities that hit between 3-15k, even when not full glass cannon will never beat the Target break (stealth), and blind if traited of HiS. That is not even counting the heal and regen or healing in stealth if traited. The only trait that directly benefits SoM is in the CS line for recharge, but no matter what when you activate SoM you lose that passive. SoM would have a case in wvwvw if there was a low tier trait that made SoM’s passive remain even while on cooldown, but there isn’t.

I don’t care if you have Assassin’s Reward, Signet use trait, and caltrops. It will still not beat HiS. Even SoM + Dagger storm doesn’t work against even the low end skill opponents, and to get the major healing effect youd have to use it against a group, which all it takes is some AOE/Boon Corrupt/Poison/Immob/Melee damage to render you dead high-speed and you are basing an entire healing ability around an elite ability with a 90 second cd.

bigbobpataki.4796:

Multiple threads where people have done the side by side math.

Ok, let do the side by side math.

Ascended ring: http://www.gw2db.com/items/71363-yakkingtons-ring

Yakkingtons Ring
51 Power
51 Precision
%10 Magic Find
+18 Precision
+18 Power

Unused Infusion Slot.

Total of 69 Power, 69 Precision, 10% magic find.

Exotic Ring: http://www.gw2db.com/items/58007-opal-orichalcum-ring

Opal Orichalcum Ring
+48 Power
+48 Precision
+3% Magic Find
and with an Exquiste opal Jewel
+15 Power
+15 Precision
+4% Magic find

Total of +63 Power, +63 Precision, +7% Magic find.

The ascended has 6 more power and precision and 3% more magic find.

63/69=.91

or the ascended has 9% more stats then the exotic, aside from the magic find. Its a boost, but not a major one, nor 20%

WRONG

Statistics with % are COMPOUNDING

It is a 9% increase on EACH Stat, and they have a 60% increase on Crit damage/ MF

It turns out to be a 50% increase on total stats, and a 60% increase on % based multipliers. NOT counting infusions either…

If I add 5% more lettuce to a Big Mac, it is now at 105% Ingredients.
If I add 5% more lettuce, bread, and meat to a Big Mac, it is now at 115% ingredients

Further explanation:
Take a game where the PVE gear and the PVP gear are the same except the PVE gear not only does 10% more damage to players but takes 10% less damage. That means players with the PVE gear have a 20% stat advantage over the PVP players. This is very related to our current situation in wvwvw.

If I am 6 feet tall and my calves grew 1 inch, now I am not 6 Foot 1 Inch, this means I grew 1 Inch. If my torso, thighs, neck, and calves grew 1 inch, you would not say I grew 1 inch, you would say I grew 4 inches.

Lt Latency.7415:

Waffler.1257:

I don’t understand these arguments against people seeking refunds saying they got their moneys worth. We know that some people have successfully received refunds for the game, so if you don’t plan on playing the game anymore because you don’t approve of the direction what is wrong with trying to get your money back?

Just like if a bank extends a loan to a company and the company goes bankrupt. The bank could say, well I knew there was a chance of default when I made the loan so I will accept the entire loss. But I can guarantee the smart banks will send over every lawyer they have to recover as much as possible before the company’s other creditors do.

They reason for the change is player retention. People play time is WAY WAY down for this game. If people were still playing like crazy this wouldn’t even be a issue but it’s not the case.

Yes, they did make a change, But that is because people aren’t staying.

When you buy a game that tries new things, the company is taking a risk and so are you when you support them. If you choose not to support companies while they try new things, They WON’T try new things.

Yes sometimes, you will get burned when that new thing doesn’t work, but if we want companies to take risks we have to take them as well.

Logic is a little flawed here, people leaving the game before the ascended gear were a part of one of the following groups:

A. Never really paid attention to what the game was supposed to be about, or the philosophy behind it, just mainly bought into the new thing, then realized later it wasn’t their thing. These people would have left anyway and most aren’t coming back for this treadmill because other games do it better.

B. Avid fans of the genre, and knew what they were buying in to. Bought the game for the no treadmill, no grind manifesto. However, due to bugs, lack of S/T PVP features, or what they perceived as class/build imbalances left the game. This group is HUGE compared to group A. Simply having a Patch Test Server from the start, and listening to the community when they nerf the wrong things, as well as fixing bugs before injecting content/nerfing would have kept many from this group around.

Ardrea.7045:

I got that from your post too. If you meant something else, it did not come across clearly.

It actually cannot be made more clear… lol

1. “Another nasty side effect of Treadmill” = Proposition/Suggestion???

2. “Another nasty side effect of Treadmill” = Observation of cause+effect???

Pretty darn obvious it is #2

1. “If you compromise you are a part of the problem. Companies get away with astronomically more in the real world today then before because people are willing to compromise, and turn the other cheek.” = Agree we should compromise??

2. “If you compromise you are a part of the problem. Companies get away with astronomically more in the real world today then before because people are willing to compromise, and turn the other cheek.” = Disagree with compromise??

Pretty darn obvious again, #2

1. “They will have to in the very near future introduce gear that you can only obtain in wvwvw that has it’s own PVP stat on there, just like AION and just like WoW (Resilience anyone?). Which will in turn further alienate and divide, even if its is a necessity for the ascended system” = Suggestion/Compromise ??

2. " They will have to in the very near future introduce gear that you can only obtain in wvwvw that has it’s own PVP stat on there, just like AION and just like WoW (Resilience anyone?). Which will in turn further alienate and divide, even if its is a necessity for the ascended system" = Stating effect ??

Can’t be made more obvious, again it is #2

Nerth.3940:

Lt Latency.7415:

xtorma.1283:

Lt Latency.7415:

What else would you do that give you that kind of value for your money??

I went to see the new bond movie and the add was nothing like what I thought the movie was going to be.

That cost me alot more then 10 cents an hour.

But when you went to see the bond movie , it didnt turn into twilight half way through.

Actually it sort of did.

I thought i was going to see a movie about bond a super spy and gadgets like normal but he was a worthless bum who couldn’t pass his training and had no spy tools.

But bond is not the actual point.

What is it then? I bought a product because it was advertised in a certain way. I don’t play games with gear grind (WoW, Rift, SW:TOR, …). I don’t have the time anymore. So, they advertised that this is going to be different, whole game is end-game, play how you want to play, we respect our players, yadda, yadda, yadda. What happens? they do a 180 on us after we bought the game and spent a considerable amount in the gem store.

Oh, just to be clear, I can’t get a refund because I was one of those fools who pre-purchased on the same day it was available to show my support for their so called “manifesto”. I even planned to buy at least 20€ worth of gems every month, just like a subscription to show my support for their efforts.

Makes sense?

You can get a refund, contact your card issuer and tell them to do a chargeback. Simple

Ballistic.4531:

John Lucier.5486:

Ballistic.4531:

That’s not compromise. I love both PvE and WWW in this game. Even next to all the bugs and unbalances, I still love them. So, this compromise would be to grind two times? Once for PvE gear and then for WWW gear?
Sorry, but that doesn’t sound like a compromise to me.

Perhaps reading what I wrote, and not just picking out 2 words, would in turn make it so you can respond and not look very ignorant. Thanks

I read your post and got from it that you are proposing the same solution as other games. More specifically, gears only available in PvP.
Sorry if I misunderstood, but that’s what i got from your post.

How could you get that from my post? where do you see a proposition.
The post is about the inevitable cause and effect, the title alone should have given that away

Ballistic.4531:

That’s not compromise. I love both PvE and WWW in this game. Even next to all the bugs and unbalances, I still love them. So, this compromise would be to grind two times? Once for PvE gear and then for WWW gear?
Sorry, but that doesn’t sound like a compromise to me.

Perhaps reading what I wrote, and not just picking out 2 words, would in turn make it so you can respond and not look very ignorant. Thanks

Nope, with the new ascended system they will be forced to introduce a PVP stat, Resilience anyone? Even AION had it…. because even if they release ascended gear as is for badges or karma, they will never be able to balance it so the players who are NOT wow locust dungeon farmers will be on the same par as those dungeon farmers, in which case just like Agony resistance, they will have to release a stat for the PVP facit, only obtainable through wvwvw… further turning the game into WoW

Obviously the majority of the community does not want ascended gear, there are some out there that will accept a compromise. If you compromise you are a part of the problem. Companies get away with astronomically more in the real world today then before because people are willing to compromise, and turn the other cheek.

In turn, with the new agony resistance, the 56-60% increase in stats over exotics, amongst other things. To please the PVP community, which if you haven’t noticed is a much larger population in wvwvw then in spvp “ONLY” players. They will have to in the very near future introduce gear that you can only obtain in wvwvw that has it’s own PVP stat on there, just like AION and just like WoW (Resilience anyone?). Which will in turn further alienate and divide, even if its is a necessity for the ascended system

Typicalsloan.8603:

I wish I could get a refund.

If you purchased with a card whether it be debit or credit, you can get a refund. Contact your card issuer and have them do a chargeback.
This is my suggestion to everyone, and don’t stop at the game, do it for gems as well.

bigbobpataki.4796:

Lets us this picture: http://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/2/22/Ascended_example.png

First of all, I was wrong, its not 13%, its more around 8%, thanks for pointing this out. I don’t believe its that massive of a boost to break the game like many on the forums are predicting.

Someone is really bad at math ^
The backpiece alone is WAY more then 8-13%. It introduces not only almost double of that stats already included on backpieces but it includes double with stats that aren’t normally included. You are also forgetting the representation of % based increases like Crit damage.
If I get a ring that has 5% total crit damage with the gem (like berserker exotic), then a ring is introduced with 8% critical damage total http://www.gw2db.com/items/71359-adelberns-royal-signet-ring that is a 60% jump !!!!!!!!!!! not 8-13%

You are also forgetting the compounding nature, I will explain:
http://www.gw2db.com/items/71354-khilbrons-phylactery
vs
http://www.gw2db.com/items/72071-plague

The ascended ring has roughly 9.4% increase of EACH stat. If it was only ONE stat that was increased by 9.4% on the ascended version, then the ascended ring would in fact be a 9.4% increase total from the exotic version. HOWEVER on the ascended items since ALL stats are a 9.4% increase, it actually turns out to be a 28.2% increase from the exotic version, and that is just basing off the ring stats alone NOT the gem. So with the gem being also a 9.4% increase on each stat we are looking at a 56.4% increase from exotic.

I will explain in simple terms for those who do not understand:
If I release a sandwich made of just Bread, Pickles, and Ham. These are the ingredients at 100%.
Then I release a second sandwich that has 15% more pickles. The sandwich now has 15% more ingredients, and it would be no different then if I added 5% bread + 5% more pickles +5% more ham (15% total)

A-net is released the first sandwich with 100% ingredients, promised, advertised and gloated that that would be the most ingredients the sandwich would ever consist of,
Now they just released a sandwich with 19% (rounded) more Bread, 19% more pickles AND 19% more ham.

Churchland.7524:

Harbard.5738:

They said I can’t get a refund because I pre-purchased it in April because i’m a total idiot. My 600+ hours invested into this game are gone anyway. Sucks to feel like this. I mean, I was ready to feel like an idiot for being over-hyped or whatever, but this? Never saw this coming. At least not so soon and in such way. Better luck everyone else who’s trying.

Same here, I just got my reply, I’m past the 6 month cutoff since I pre-purchased.

ahh but you can. Call up your bank or card and issue a chargeback. I know my bank and card company covers me for a very long time, so it cant be the only one.

@Sykper
No making compromises is exactly how games get and stay into these situations in the first place.
If anyone stuck together and did what they said they were going to do in protest, or followed through with their threats, INSTEAD of compromising; then the companies would actually be forced to retract their disgustingly 180 change in policies or chose to go bankrupt/go on the market for a buyer

They haven’t answered yet but they made it clear they will be consistently adding more and more levels of infusions, which will in actuality be the first steps of the gear treadmill, since in fact the infusions have real stats on them, not just the dungeon resist

If you purchased guild wars 2 before 6 months ago and they are not giving you refunds, a lot of card companies will do a chargeback for even up to a year, at least my bank does.
Call them up, state to them you ordered a product and that company committed false advertising. Or you can simply state you did not authorize it, because if you want to get technical when you purchased the game you were authorizing your credit card to be purchased for Guild No gear treadmill Wars 2, and you didnt authorize your card to be used for the purchase of Guild Gear Treadmill Wars 2.

I came to GW2, from a short break from mmos (4 months), before that I played an MMO from headstart just like this one. That game company also said it would not be about gear, and getting the new set. I had a lot of fun in the “Warzones” but they really flopped on the world pvp. Then suddenly, as people were having fun they announce t hey are going to also introduce a new set of gear, and it’s gonna take twice as long, and
that it will keep going. This game is called SWTOR. I tried to play it even while there was new top gear, felt like my entire body and mind were telling me not to play and it is crap, so I was not having fun anymore. Me and my entire big guild, yea we all charged back everything we spent on the game. We must not have been the only ones because shortly after the game was announced to become F2P.

To Arena Net:
You are already F2p, with a cash shop. You have NOTHING to fall back on other then going to 100% pay to win cash shop. Your stock is falling and your customers have spoken. No to Ascended gear. We will NOT compromise, and we DEMAND whoever made the decision to implement Ascended gear be sent to the unemployment line.

Namu.5712:

John Lucier.5486:

Namu.5712:

Narkosys.5173:

Changing fundamental game design after advertising is Bad faith and False advertising.
Especially because they tried to stealth it into the patch. Dev let it slip that it was indeed a treadmill.
However this game was marketed at a specific group not all gamers – see there is where you have to get over yourself. If you dont do the research before you buy the product it is you who is responsible.

I knew exactly what I bought, I had no complaints. I have no complaints over the new changes either. So what do I have to get over?

I understand they are trying to make more then one group of players happy. You dont understand that and think its a crime against you. Its not. And its that simple.

And they won’t change it. SO basically if you don’t like it guess what, you don’t have to play. Because not everything they do is going to make every one happy. And thats the way of the world.

They had to do something the current model wasn’t working they were losing people. So they tried something bold to see if it will save it.

Maybe it will save it maybe it will crash and burn horribly. Either way they are committed to the change and there is no going back now. Thats what you need to come to terms with and accept. If you cant well complaining and going on in the forums isn’t going to change it.

Losing people?
Their stocks reflect a drop WHEN they announced ascended gear, and another drop when it was released.

Losing people?
Well mabe they should have done what anyone with an IQ higher then a monkey would have done and FIX BUGS in the game before you release CONTENT, ANY CONTENT. I was always disgusted when I would find these special events like holloween when you have classes that can barely play because 50% of their talents are bugged, or they keep nerfing the wrong abilities, or issues like culling exist. What the hell are they thinking? They are acting like a high school dropout that was randomly given a job to develop or be in charge of development at a game company. ZERO EXPERIENCE. Fixing bugs is all the people wanted, fixing bugs was the main issue why anyone was leaving (excluding the people that would have left no matter what the did).

When you design a car, put it into production then sell it;
Then people who buy the car find out the factory radiator is bad, so is the pistons, and the power steering. A-net as said car company is basically saying " too bad, but Hey here is some free plastic rims" then they just start production on a new car.

What do the consumers usually do? Turn the other cheek?

Their stocks show a steady decline actually since the first month of GW2 going live. It was not a sudden drop it was steadily declining each and every month.

If your going to make an argument based on stocks look at all data involved not just take the bit out that you think proves anything lol.

I suggest you take the same suggestion to heart, so you don’t post blatantly false information again. Ty come again

Namu.5712:

Narkosys.5173:

Changing fundamental game design after advertising is Bad faith and False advertising.
Especially because they tried to stealth it into the patch. Dev let it slip that it was indeed a treadmill.
However this game was marketed at a specific group not all gamers – see there is where you have to get over yourself. If you dont do the research before you buy the product it is you who is responsible.

I knew exactly what I bought, I had no complaints. I have no complaints over the new changes either. So what do I have to get over?

I understand they are trying to make more then one group of players happy. You dont understand that and think its a crime against you. Its not. And its that simple.

And they won’t change it. SO basically if you don’t like it guess what, you don’t have to play. Because not everything they do is going to make every one happy. And thats the way of the world.

They had to do something the current model wasn’t working they were losing people. So they tried something bold to see if it will save it.

Maybe it will save it maybe it will crash and burn horribly. Either way they are committed to the change and there is no going back now. Thats what you need to come to terms with and accept. If you cant well complaining and going on in the forums isn’t going to change it.

Losing people?
Their stocks reflect a drop WHEN they announced ascended gear, and another drop when it was released.

Losing people?
Well mabe they should have done what anyone with an IQ higher then a monkey would have done and FIX BUGS in the game before you release CONTENT, ANY CONTENT. I was always disgusted when I would find these special events like holloween when you have classes that can barely play because 50% of their talents are bugged, or they keep nerfing the wrong abilities, or issues like culling exist. What the hell are they thinking? They are acting like a high school dropout that was randomly given a job to develop or be in charge of development at a game company. ZERO EXPERIENCE. Fixing bugs is all the people wanted, fixing bugs was the main issue why anyone was leaving (excluding the people that would have left no matter what the did).

When you design a car, put it into production then sell it;
Then people who buy the car find out the factory radiator is bad, so is the pistons, and the power steering. A-net as said car company is basically saying " too bad, but Hey here is some free plastic rims" then they just start production on a new car.

What do the consumers usually do? Turn the other cheek?

Ravnodaus.5130:

Fritz.5026:

Jasher.6580:

19k-25k hundred blades is okay… yet they nerfed pistol whip… I’m genuinely confused. Both root the character, both are channelled attacks, yet the guy with the heavy armour and high health gets to keep that ridiculous damage.

Confused.

because you are looking at things in a vacuum.

a warrior cannot turn invisible to avoid being attacked.
a warrior cannot teleport away when things are going badly.

also your numbers are so inflated its ridiculous.

Those are perfectly acurate numbers.

very accurate numbers, and actually a GS warrior with signet of rage and EP can actually traverse a battlefield faster then a thief (which you were comparing) when they need to remove themselves from a fight.

Warrior: Well I just used 100b and 1 shotted 3 pple, but their friends are coming, ill just pop signet of rage GS whirlwind away then charge and BR if its up and Endure pain (AKA INVUL) if I take any damage.

Thief in the same scenerio: Well I just used PW 3 times and killed maybe 1, hopefully my 1-2 stealth abilities arent on their long cooldowns, but even then stealth doesnt stop channeled abilities, pets, AOE, or random swinging from killing me, hopefully my 1 teleport is of its long cooldown, but hell most of my mobility comes from my weapon abilities, well I just used ALL my initiative in that fight….. kitten /p>

Garenthal.1480:

Arena Net have stated repeatedly that they were ‘happy’ with the warrior profession, so if someone could grab the exact quote and post it here, that’d be brilliant. Sadly, most of the ‘fixes’ to other professions have spawned more problems than they’ve solved, particularly for the likes of mesmers who already struggle to do much in PvE thanks to zergs and the way ‘tapping’ enemies for loot works.

A-net= " yea we are happy with the warrior profession, but we will keep buffing it till we are ecstatic, every other class should be a a weaker, warrior copy. Also we are renaming the game to World of Guildwarriorcraft with the new gear treadmill we are applying"

Namu.5712:

John Lucier.5486:

No and No. If you compromise, you are still letting them get away with false advertising (a legal term no doubt hint hint). If you let them get away with false advertising, next thing you know you will be logging into Pandas, arenas for PVE players where you can only get the best PVP gear, etc

Wasn’t false advertising. They said they wouldn’t create a gear treadmill adding a in between gear does not constitute a gear tread mill.

Now if in 3 months they add another tier then you can be mad. But till then they haven’t done anything wrong at all.

Incorrect, It is a gear treadmill and it has been proven. There is no arguing that. The gear treadmill is started by first obtaining the ascended gear, then the climb gets steeper and steeper constantly having to get new infusions. False Advertising

TheVirtualFrog.8714:

Why would they nerf the class that the developers play with?

Warriors are climbing in yo game, snatching yo PvP rankings up. They’re tryna dominate the battlefield so ya all need to hide yo Rangers, hide yo Necromancers and hide yo Engineers cuz they ain’t worth a kitten out there.

Exactly, no need to explain it further, this is like the only person who got it right. Expect to see warrior buffs in every patch. Might see like a 5% reduction to an ability they never use just to try and cover up the issue that the dev in charge of balance plays a warrior, and they will continue to be OP until they make a Super Saiyan Jealous

A. Turn wvwvw into spvp gear system, except you can still transmute PVE skins, and take durability hits, but you cant wear PVE gear into wvwvw, and everything is there for you on NPCs like spvp.

OR

B. The person who made the decision to include ascended gear is fired, and sent to the unemployment line, and the entire ascended gear update is removed. In which case I will buy 10,000 gems as a reward, but until then you arent getting a dime

No and No. If you compromise, you are still letting them get away with false advertising (a legal term no doubt hint hint). If you let them get away with false advertising, next thing you know you will be logging into Pandas, arenas for PVE players where you can only get the best PVP gear, etc

MisterEction.9382:

John Lucier.5486:

MisterEction.9382:

John Lucier.5486:

One simple thing they could do to please tens of thousands of players(if not hundreds of thousands) about to quit over the ascended gear, like myself. They just make wvwvw seperate from PVE. Have it have the same gear system as sPVP except you can transmute PVE skins onto them, this will make everyone happy, and by everyone I mean the real wvwvw players who care about beating someone with skill and not stat increases, the real players, the one that played this game because progression was supposed to be cosmetic only.

Real players? Good luck geting anything changed if you’re going to start throwing people with other play styles under the bus. I don’t WvWvW. I PVE. I build alts. I explore. This change affects PVE players that aren’t hardcore grinders as much as it does WvWvW players.

Better gear means faster killing, which means more money. In events, that means more money for the people with ascended gear and less for those without it.

Which means prices on the TP go up to match the players with the higher stat gear, so they get more high stat gear, and all the best skins and pretty much everything else. Because not only can the other players not match the higher stat players income, they’ll actually be making less in an event than they did before.

Run events with a character in rares, then the same character in exotics and see the difference in the number of drops you end up with.

And those areas to explore? They’re getting adjusted to compensate for the new gear, so the players that don’t hardcore grind get the fun of those becoming a miserable slog.

A. it wasnt throwing anyone under the bus. It was targeted at alot of us that only do wvwvw that will quit

B. Your events and stuff can be completed in blues, so you have a LOT less to complain about. You fight 1 mob, or run the dungeon, when you fight that mob/run the dungeon again nothing will change, just like WoW.

C. With B in mind, you aren’t going to have to worry about that same mob youve been fighting is now going to be doing 20-50% more damage to you or having 20-50% more tank because of the new gear like a wwvw pvper will, going up against people that are just wow locusts that will dungeon farm and then roll into wvwvw because they can only win with stat increases.

Completing the events in blues generates less money than completing events in better gear. While the players in better gear get more, the players in lesser gear get less. economically, you end up being able to earn less and less over time while the other players have more. The amount of time you have to deal with that with the investment needed to get exotics is manageable. The time needed to get ascended gear isn’t. Those guys you’re fighting that are suddenly tougher and doing more damage are also taking a larger share of the income available from events from PVE players.

And, you’re throwing PVE players under the bus in the same way as if I said, “Hey, just allow the stuff to be usable in WvWvW so the grinders can get their ego fix killing other people and leave the PVE area out of it.”

Yea what I tried to say is I didn’t mean to throw you or anyone under the bus, I was just trying to target a fix for the wvwvw audience. I didn’t want to try and suggest some band-aid for PVE as well when that is not where my experience is.

naphack.9346:

John Lucier.5486:

One simple thing they could do to please tens of thousands of players(if not hundreds of thousands) about to quit over the ascended gear, like myself. They just make wvwvw seperate from PVE. Have it have the same gear system as sPVP except you can transmute PVE skins onto them, this will make everyone happy, and by everyone I mean the real wvwvw players who care about beating someone with skill and not stat increases, the real players, the one that played this game because progression was supposed to be cosmetic only.

As far as I know, the “real” wvwvw players don’t care about stat increases cause in the end 5v3 is always better than a 1v1. No need to outmatch your opponent in stats when you can outsmart them.
Strategy is everything. Stop whining about gear. Keep playing and you will catch up in gear to the PvE guys eventually. Anet is not stupid. PvE guys will get a headstart, as they get with everything but that’s gonna be it. They will allow you to catch up (in gear) to them PvE grinders soon enough.

That sounds like a wow locust zerg mindset, hands down. Yes, We real wvwvw players, do not care about stat increases to beat our opponents. But it does get out of hand when you face people with 20-50% more damage and/or 20-50% more tank, think about if your server has a dedicated wvwvw crowd, and the other has a PvX guild that gets all the new gear for themselves, the stats aren’t minor. A-net has made it clear, new gear, not fixing bugs, AOE limits, that skill cap in this game is set to low, and there is only so much a server can do when undergeared and facing a server full of new shiny ascended gear.

Real wvwvw players would take the spvp gear system, and welcome it, as long as PVE skins can be transmuted, even if it still takes durability hits on death, that way they can keep to what they PAID for, and not be forced to login to a 2nd job.

As it stands right now, the tens of thousands of posts against the ascended gear on these forums alone, then you have the same on reddit, A-net is taking this game down a path that would make NGE or SWTOR look like heaven.

MisterEction.9382:

John Lucier.5486:

One simple thing they could do to please tens of thousands of players(if not hundreds of thousands) about to quit over the ascended gear, like myself. They just make wvwvw seperate from PVE. Have it have the same gear system as sPVP except you can transmute PVE skins onto them, this will make everyone happy, and by everyone I mean the real wvwvw players who care about beating someone with skill and not stat increases, the real players, the one that played this game because progression was supposed to be cosmetic only.

Real players? Good luck geting anything changed if you’re going to start throwing people with other play styles under the bus. I don’t WvWvW. I PVE. I build alts. I explore. This change affects PVE players that aren’t hardcore grinders as much as it does WvWvW players.

Better gear means faster killing, which means more money. In events, that means more money for the people with ascended gear and less for those without it.

Which means prices on the TP go up to match the players with the higher stat gear, so they get more high stat gear, and all the best skins and pretty much everything else. Because not only can the other players not match the higher stat players income, they’ll actually be making less in an event than they did before.

Run events with a character in rares, then the same character in exotics and see the difference in the number of drops you end up with.

And those areas to explore? They’re getting adjusted to compensate for the new gear, so the players that don’t hardcore grind get the fun of those becoming a miserable slog.

A. it wasnt throwing anyone under the bus. It was targeted at alot of us that only do wvwvw that will quit

B. Your events and stuff can be completed in blues, so you have a LOT less to complain about. You fight 1 mob, or run the dungeon, when you fight that mob/run the dungeon again nothing will change, just like WoW.

C. With B in mind, you aren’t going to have to worry about that same mob youve been fighting is now going to be doing 20-50% more damage to you or having 20-50% more tank because of the new gear like a wwvw pvper will, going up against people that are just wow locusts that will dungeon farm and then roll into wvwvw because they can only win with stat increases.

One simple thing they could do to please tens of thousands of players(if not hundreds of thousands) about to quit over the ascended gear, like myself. They just make wvwvw seperate from PVE. Have it have the same gear system as sPVP except you can transmute PVE skins onto them, this will make everyone happy, and by everyone I mean the real wvwvw players who care about beating someone with skill and not stat increases, the real players, the one that played this game because progression was supposed to be cosmetic only.

One simple thing they could do to please tens of thousands of players(if not hundreds of thousands) about to quit over the ascended gear, like myself. They just make wvwvw seperate from PVE. Have it have the same gear system as sPVP except you can transmute PVE skins onto them, this will make everyone happy, and by everyone I mean the real wvwvw players who care about beating someone with skill and not stat increases, the real players, the one that played this game because progression was supposed to be cosmetic only.