Guild Wars 2

Solori.6025:

Jongi.7612:

echo.2053:

Jongi.7612:

No no no no no… just no. Your not entitled to anything. You even helped my point across that you think your entitled because you bought the game 3 years ago. Did you not forget you got soooo much that isnt able to be gotten anymore in those 3 years without paying for it like living story season 2? Or how about just all the time you spent in game already, or the free level 20 boosts, or whatever else you could think of.

This is exactly what my original post was addressing, people need to understand this.

What do you mean I’m not entitled to what I pay for? If Im paying the same price as a new player whose buying the full game plus exspanion then i better be getting a second useable copy of gw2 to do whatever I desire with. If that is not the case ( which its not) then that is a bait and switch which yes should anger you.

They can keep their instant lvl 20 scrolls, I never asked or begged for them. in fact they are ridiculous storage wasters since they don’t stack. My character was level 80 before the 1st year, was still level 80 when the second year came around, and this third year…. guess what level the character will be – ill give you a riddle its a two digit number that looks like 80 and the second digit isn’t an 8.

What dont you understand that its JUST HoT. My character was level 80 before the first few months, your point? It doesnt mean I cant get a level 80 revenant in like… oh… however long it takes to get me out of the starting area.

Your not paying for the core game, get it through your head already.

YES you ARE…

Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns expansion(includes Guild Wars 2 core game)

Look at the definition of includes and tell me again how we are not buying the base game with HoT

Ever hear of a misprint? Your not buying the core game. They just need to update their page.

Arkblue.6129:

Jongi.7612:

Arkblue.6129:

Straylight.7529:

Arkblue.6129:

Straylight.7529:

Solori.6025:

YES you ARE…

Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns expansion(includes Guild Wars 2 core game)

Look at the definition of includes and tell me again how we are not buying the base game with HoT

I paid 70$ for GW2 three years ago. Now I pay 50$ in order to get access to HoT. What did I pay for?

You paid for GW2 and the core game that you already purchased for 70$ 3 years ago. Really, it’s written on the page, it’s hard not to notice it.

Unless, you for it, then you activate it, and then Arena Net eats up your second core game.
Which has value. But it’s taken from you.
If you decide to upgrade an account you lose value.
Because of that , at the end of the day, you bought less than a new player for the same price. It’s that simple.

So it’s back to the whole value argument? That’s not what Solori was talking about. The fact still stands: if you purchase HoT for 50% you get the core game for free (so you can access HoT in the first place) if you don’t already own it.

I don’t care if a new player gets a better deal than I do. He’s a new player, let him have the better deal.

Well, if you don’t care about other players getting the equivalent of (at the very least) 10 euros(minimum price that Gw2 ever reached at the store)= 800 gems= 150 gold for free just because they are new players, even if they are paying the same price, it doesn’t mean that everyone else doesn’t.
Your acceptance of an unfair treatment shouldn’t be applied to everybody.

Have you protested other games that have done this like WoW? Or Skyrim where the game was 100 dollars and now its like 5 or what about skins in other games or even this one, did you complain that someone got a skin for 50% and you didnt? If you didnt do it there then why are you doing it here?

I hoped you said that :*
WOW: The expansions cost 45 Euros. You have the base game? Fine. You don’t? 15 euros for all previous expansions. 7.5 if the battle chest is on sale.
Skyrim: had 2 major dlc and one minor dlc. None of them are standalone and all of them require the base game which is not given away for free. I paid Skyrim with the full DLC 10 euros, but those who had the base game would have paid only 5. The value of the game dropped, not vanished.
Skins in other games like LOL: well, maybe if you actually played LoL you would knew that riot games refunds skins purchased in the last 2 weeks if they go on sale unannounced, but they don’t refund if they already announced the schedule for that given month.

So, in all of your examples, the producer/developers consider that older players should still get a fair deal when compared to new players, and while the value of their investment dropped over time due to aging, it didn’t vanish.

Do you see that 15 dollars for all expansions isnt equal to the 250 if you bought each one? And we arent talking about if you bought a skin 2 weeks ago and then it went on sale, we are talking about buying it at launch and 3 years later it going on sale. Its no different whan what ANet is doing.

Solori.6025:

Straylight.7529:

Solori.6025:

Straylight.7529:

Solori.6025:

YES you ARE…

Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns expansion(includes Guild Wars 2 core game)

Look at the definition of includes and tell me again how we are not buying the base game with HoT

I paid 70$ for GW2 three years ago. Now I pay 50$ in order to get access to HoT. What did I pay for?

I think this is going way over your comprehension level.

Do you know what includes means?

Do you know what a bundle is?

Why is is relevant what you have or had from 3 years ago.

RIGHT NOW.

When you go to the buy page, what does it say for standard?

A simple thing called reading goes a long way.
But to reiterate.
It doesn’t matter if you bought the game 3 years ago or 2.
This bundle RIGHT NOW
says (includes Guild Wars 2 core game)
That means you are buying HoT and Gw2 Core.

It doesn’t say ANYWHERE ON THE FAQ OR BUY PAGE
You don’t get the core if you have one already.

So yes. YOU ARE buying a bundle when you buy HoT.

If English is not your first language please say so and I will use google translate to try and make this clearer.

Yes, the core game is included for free when you’re a new player. That’s what I’m saying all along. That’s what arenanet is saying. English is not my first language but I think it’s good enough to show you that your logic is simply wrong.

No, again, you don’t understand what include means.
and that isn’t what arenanet is saying based on the meaning of the word includes.

Includes in as simple of a form as i can put it. Is going to a store and buying grapes, but the store clerk gives you an apple and says when you buy grapes, you also get an apple, because they are sold together.

Now back to the wording on the buy page.

Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns expansion(includes Guild Wars 2 core game)

the key word is includes.
it means that when you go to the page, you buy HoT and they are supposed to give you GW2 core also, because it is sold with HoT.

Regardless of whether you own gw2 or not, by the definition of the word includes, all customers who preorder are supposed to get gw2core and HoT.

That is what include means.

Does this explanation work? Is this easier to understand? Would it be easier to explain this in your native language, if so please say what it is and I will try and translate using google.

And thats exactly why I said they should change it to say “included for new players” or “new accounts”. Its a misunderstanding. They did say that its just for new players though, they just need to change the buy page.

choovanski.5462:

I’m constantly surprised by the ‘quality’ of others. Jongi you make me sad.

A little more context would be good to have.

papry.8096:

Straylight.7529:

…snip….

Hey buddy, I have a new metaphore for you.

A new item comes to the cash shop.
- If your account is older than 12 months ; it will cost you 1000 gems.
- If your account is younger than 12 months ; it will cost you 1000 gems and you get a free harvester tool at 1000 gems that 12 months old players could have paid for before.

Would like to be in the group of the older players ?
Knowing that deals like that may arise more & more often ?
Sooner or later everyone will go in the older group.

That isnt what is happening, at all. Thats how people are seeing it though, but it isnt what is happening. Its rather like you already have the harvester and a new skin is coming out that you need the harvester to use. If you dont have it and buy the skin you get the harvester, if you have the harvester you just get the skin. The skin is worth the same amount with or without the harvester.

Arkblue.6129:

Straylight.7529:

Arkblue.6129:

Straylight.7529:

Solori.6025:

YES you ARE…

Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns expansion(includes Guild Wars 2 core game)

Look at the definition of includes and tell me again how we are not buying the base game with HoT

I paid 70$ for GW2 three years ago. Now I pay 50$ in order to get access to HoT. What did I pay for?

You paid for GW2 and the core game that you already purchased for 70$ 3 years ago. Really, it’s written on the page, it’s hard not to notice it.

Unless, you for it, then you activate it, and then Arena Net eats up your second core game.
Which has value. But it’s taken from you.
If you decide to upgrade an account you lose value.
Because of that , at the end of the day, you bought less than a new player for the same price. It’s that simple.

So it’s back to the whole value argument? That’s not what Solori was talking about. The fact still stands: if you purchase HoT for 50% you get the core game for free (so you can access HoT in the first place) if you don’t already own it.

I don’t care if a new player gets a better deal than I do. He’s a new player, let him have the better deal.

Well, if you don’t care about other players getting the equivalent of (at the very least) 10 euros(minimum price that Gw2 ever reached at the store)= 800 gems= 150 gold for free just because they are new players, even if they are paying the same price, it doesn’t mean that everyone else doesn’t.
Your acceptance of an unfair treatment shouldn’t be applied to everybody.

Have you protested other games that have done this like WoW? Or Skyrim where the game was 100 dollars and now its like 5 or what about skins in other games or even this one, did you complain that someone got a skin for 50% and you didnt? If you didnt do it there then why are you doing it here?

stof.9341:

Straylight.7529:

I don’t care if a new player gets a better deal than I do. He’s a new player, let him have the better deal.

Hmm, what about no?

I mean, why not but I’m perfectly allowed to just how good of a better deal he can have before I start complaining.

HoT crosses the line by far.

Then I want to see you on the WoW forums saying that all the WoW expansions should be the price they were on release, protesting agaisnt steam for having sales and anything of the sort. ANet are doing the exact same things the other companies did regarding previous games and expansions or even older games. The scenario is no different.

Solori.6025:

Straylight.7529:

Solori.6025:

YES you ARE…

Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns expansion(includes Guild Wars 2 core game)

Look at the definition of includes and tell me again how we are not buying the base game with HoT

I paid 70$ for GW2 three years ago. Now I pay 50$ in order to get access to HoT. What did I pay for?

Why is is relevant what you have or had from 3 years ago.

RIGHT NOW.

When you go to the buy page, what does it say for standard?

A simple thing called reading goes a long way.
But to reiterate.
It doesn’t matter if you bought the game 3 years ago or 2.
This bundle RIGHT NOW
says (includes Guild Wars 2 core game)
That means you are buying HoT and Gw2 Core.

It doesn’t say ANYWHERE ON THE FAQ OR BUY PAGE
You don’t get the core if you have one already.

So yes. YOU ARE buying a bundle when you buy HoT.

If English is not your first language please say so and I will use google translate to try and make this clearer.

Its relevant because you… you know… played the game. If you didnt play the game but still bought it 3 years ago, thats your fault.

papry.8096:

Jongi.7612:

Its because with how society is now that they overreact with everything because they dont see the overall picture.

Because, you can ?

Yes, even the sites that people told me to go read dont have any real sympathy for people complaining that new players are getting the core game for free. And they even say thing like “when I bought skyrim at launch for $100 do I get mad because someone paid 5 dollars for it on sale? No because I got hundreds of hours of play out of it and new blood in a game is never a bad thing. They could get hooked and be a great modder….” and so on and so on. They dont agree with this point of view that some injustice is happening, they do however agree that people who purchased the game and then the pre-release hit were screwed over. Another thing that they brought up was that some people just might not think its worth it. Its perfectly fine for people to look at the content given and say it is or isnt worth my money.

You guys need to look at the entire picture, time investment you got out of the core game, what you were able to experience when other people who are new cannot and what is actually happening. ANet is trying to make the community go, appeal to other people who might want to leave WoW because of of the expansion known as WoD.

Ricky.4706:

yes, but you are endorsing an oppressive position….so far that paints for me a picture of what the expansion environment will be like. it’s just a game.

No one is oppressing anyone. Everyone gets access to HoT, thats it. Nothing is being denied at all.

echo.2053:

Jongi.7612:

No no no no no… just no. Your not entitled to anything. You even helped my point across that you think your entitled because you bought the game 3 years ago. Did you not forget you got soooo much that isnt able to be gotten anymore in those 3 years without paying for it like living story season 2? Or how about just all the time you spent in game already, or the free level 20 boosts, or whatever else you could think of.

This is exactly what my original post was addressing, people need to understand this.

What do you mean I’m not entitled to what I pay for? If Im paying the same price as a new player whose buying the full game plus exspanion then i better be getting a second useable copy of gw2 to do whatever I desire with. If that is not the case ( which its not) then that is a bait and switch which yes should anger you.

They can keep their instant lvl 20 scrolls, I never asked or begged for them. in fact they are ridiculous storage wasters since they don’t stack. My character was level 80 before the 1st year, was still level 80 when the second year came around, and this third year…. guess what level the character will be – ill give you a riddle its a two digit number that looks like 80 and the second digit isn’t an 8.

What dont you understand that its JUST HoT. My character was level 80 before the first few months, your point? It doesnt mean I cant get a level 80 revenant in like… oh… however long it takes to get me out of the starting area.

Your not paying for the core game, get it through your head already.

Ricky.4706:

or maybe it’s being over thought, i just came back from steam and they are having a massive sale …it is just a game and maybe it’s time to move on to better deals. i already have the core gw2 account, i just wont go deeper into this rabbit hole, there always seems to be some new drama with how they handle things, and that’s getting a little old.

Its because with how society is now that they overreact with everything because they dont see the overall picture.

Astralporing.1957:

Straylight.7529:

You feel like you should receive more for already owning the game.

No. You think he should receive less because of it. And that is a discrimination.

No one is getting less. No one is missing part of the game for owning it before HoT pre-purchase. The only people who should be kittened off are the people who paid for the core game recently and then the pre-release hit.

quaniesan.8497:

Jongi.7612:

Veteran players have already gotten their fair share of free stuff, living story which if these new players want to experience they have to pay for, free level 20 boosts for being active during the anniversaries, free skins, free level 80’s if you didnt waste your tomes, and who knows what else was given out.

First off, I hate your gut, you Anet’s pet, OP. What free skins? you mean the ones that we paid for when we bought the game? The game itself isn’t free, it’s not free MMORPG that everyone in the world with a computer and internet can just download. that’s means you cannot get living story unless you bought the game. Therefore, none of the “free stuff” is free, because you gotta pay the entrance fee, so SHUT it. I don’t get this Anet’s guard-dog mentality of these people. We are trying to get something more for the money we will be paying to protect old players, (the OP included) since people pratically buy the old game twice. This OP guy just went “bark bark bark” at everyone, and assuming that we could get something extra, he would just quietly enjoy it too. So OP: wagging your tail to anet wont rain you any precusor.

You didnt get a free skin? I did, and it wasnt when I bought the game. You must of missed out. And guess what, the new players who get the game, dont get to experience the living story without dishing out more money.

I dont really care about what ANet thinks about me or what they give me. I think they screwed up in one spot and thats having people pay for the core game and then releasing the pre-purchase with the free core game.

It isnt being a guard dog, its just informing people that they arent completely thinking things through. Do you understand that?

KGS.9842:

Straylight.7529:

KGS.9842:

Straylight.7529:

Yes, that is correct. You get less value than the new players. But since you’re not a new player it shouldn’t concern you in the first place. Don’t think so hard about what “other people” get. Just ask yourself whether HoT is worth your money or not.

it actually concerns me (us) because both me and the new player are paying the same price for the same product in the same time period; that is simply put discrimination

You’re not being discriminated, jeez…
Yes, everyone gets treated the same way. Just like you said. You’re nothing special for already owning the game.

ok so a new player gets a free bonus, and i get nothing for the same purchase
and that’s not discrimination?
if everyone got treated the same way, with my purchase I would have one key for HoT + one key for the core game

And people say im a broken record when people keep bringing this argument which has already been addressed in this thread. Its their choice if they want to give it to new players and its a smart choice. You nor them are getting anything “extra”. You just feel cheated because you bought the game 3 years ago for 60 bucks and now they are getting it for free.

Thats all that argument boils down to. Do I get kittened when I pay 50 dollars for every WoW expansion that I purchased and now you can buy them all together for 20 bucks? No, its a way to get people in the door.

Skolia.2408:

@Jongi.7612, it’s not so much a feeling of “entitlement” it’s a few things that ArenaNet has done here that they did not do in the past.

• Guild Wars 1 had expansions that added HUGE amounts of content and features and were always priced about $10-20 below what the original game cost.

• Heart of Thorns information, so far, is rather thin actually and sounds like a fairly minor expansion (I’d love to be wrong but based on information we have it seems very short on PvE story content, which, in an RPG, is what a lot of us want). It seems like $50 is a bit steep for what we’ve heard is in it. Especially based on previous ArenaNet expansion products.

• ArenaNet did change the FAQ for HoT literally right before the pre-order offer was announced. So a lot of people did buy the core game, because the FAQ said it would be required only to find out that they just wasted some money (at least ArenaNet appears to be offering refunds on a case by case support basis.) In any case, this seems like… some sleazy tactics.

• Veteran players with full slots don’t have a way to make a new character to enjoy some of the new stuff in the expansion unless they pay extra money for a character slot or one of the higher priced pre-order editions. While new players get 8 slots and the core game. Just seems kind of… disrepectful. It’s true a veteran player could create a second, new, account and use that but they aren’t linked in any way so it’s also kind of a pain in the behind.

In this list, it’s actually the first two that bother me personally. I’ll probably go ahead and buy HoT in the end if it ends up having some PvE story content. (If it’s just repeatable group events, there’s no way I’m paying $50 for that.) (Guild Housing etc is of no interest to me but I know some folks are into that.)

They dont have a way to open up a slot? None what so ever like deleting something they dont enjoy, or using gold to buy another slot. Its like you guys have never played the game before. You dont have to dish out money for stuff.

Ive also said that they should do right to the people that purchased the game recently before the pre-purchase was announced. Its like you guys dont fully read.

And concerning GW1 there was only 1 expansion that people consider to of had a lot of content. You also have to look at when and the technology used during the creation of GW1 and the expansions.

Yeah, the information is pretty thin for HoT at the moment, nothing is 100% known, but that just means you shouldnt pre-order it until more is known if you dont feel comfortable with the price. Thats it.

Cactus Brawler.7415:

To shut people like Jongi up, people might want to contact the governmental branch that handles sales fraud for their home countries to see if having a sales page that says one thing, and a disclaimer that is not brought up at any time during the sales process is legal or not.

That would be an interesting Gaming news head line no?

Do it. It wont shut me up though because I think that should be changed as well. Your just being extremely salty and if you were one of the people who bought the core game and they released the pre-purchase you have the right to be salty. I however think your being salty to be salty.

Straylight.7529:

yolo swaggins.2570:

Jongi.7612:

yolo swaggins.2570:

Straylight.7529:

No, the core game is free if you buy HoT. You only pay for the expansion. If you already have HoT you can just ignore that fact. If you don’t you can rejoice.

Then I am paying the same price for much less value than what other players are paying for. The core game might be free but then the players who are complaining already have the game so another free client doesn’t mean anything to them. That value is non-existant.

All that is left is the xpac.

yolo swaggins.2570:

New players are getting everything guild wars 2 has to offer plus a new map, a 9th profession and features for $50.

Old players are getting a new map, a 9th profession and features for $50.

No, your paying for HoT. New players arent getting EVERYTHING GW2 has to offer and thats what I have been trying to explain. They arent getting to experience what Vets already have, new players wont be able to experience no longer existing content. New players get pretty much a watered down old world where you have to pay to see anything past your personal story and a much lower amount of hours played. They get access to dungeons and such, crafting and world events and thats pretty much it.

I already listed the things each group is paying for. $50 for a map and another profession is a bad deal.

It’s going to be more than one map, though how many is currently unknown. You also get a new WvW borderland and a new pvp mode on it’s own new map.

And new specializations, guild halls, and continuation of a story which will keep on going without the purchase of another expansion. But if they dont think its worth it thats their opinion. They dont have to buy it.

Rai.9625:

Jongi.7612:

Rai.9625:

Just to clarify… less rights?

With games sad as it is… you don’t have many rights. xD wrong words again.

Sorry that I do that, working in a communication heavy branch does that to people.

For the whole discussion it boils down to:
For the money: is it worth in your opinion.
If no you will say why (for example hell, they get more value than me, thats a principle thing and hard to argue, or not enough content yet for that money, i would consider if yxz was included)

You are all trying to argue about… taste and preferences, about principles. That will in no way get you anywhere and defeats the purpose of what you really want:

You want to give Anet a message: Not enough for my money (for different reasons), so that they can see that opinion

You are diluting what you want to get across with hasty words which will most likely give the wrong impression.

For example: Cambeleg just says: for 50 bucks I want (out of principle) the same value as newcomers. So either a price reduction or another promo gift would push me over the edge to prepurchase/order whatever.

Nothing wrong with that, no?

Another player said:
For 50bucks… the content shown so far seems way to less for me to consider it worth it. Maybe show alot more maps, say a number of new instances etc. And I will consider buying/prepurchase/order it for the money.

again, nothing wrong there

The thing is though, not everyone is saying that. They dont understand that when you pay for HoT thats what your getting. They however think because of a misunderstand that they should also get the core game free if they are a vet player already. They can do this if they make a new account and will end out ahead of the new players. ANet just needs to fix the wording on their product selection to say this because they already said it in the forums that new players will get the core game for free.

Existing players already got their monies worth. $60 bucks for everything that they got to experience and the free stuff that they received though they are ignoring that. They dont even bring up what they already experienced like the marionettes, scarlet battle, all the season 2 living story without having to pay 200 gems for each episode, boosts and so on. They just want it because someone else gets a free game without looking at everything.

Again… someone saying the same as I said, or maybe I hinted at: There are alot reasons for ppls not to buy.

Many ppl understand what they get, they are just not satisfied and voice it in a more ore less direct/effective way.

And honestly: You are the customer, it is always your choice to buy or not to buy. And if you say: hey that customer got that there for free, for the prices you tag, i want the same.
What is wrong with that. And there is nothing wrong with the seller saying: Sorry, only for new customers.
After that it is your choice to say and voice what you think of that: some will say: wow good idea/strategy
other might say: Hey I’m a regular and I think you should do the same for me or i won’t buy…. That is your choice and nothing wrong with that.

It is a choice you don’t have to do the same.

Because they arent really getting anything that a vet player has. Its along the lines of an earlier example I gave. Its like needing a fork to eat pasta, if you bring your own fork we will give you the pasta for the price listed, if you dont have a fork however we will provide one for you. People think though that just because someone didnt have a fork and the restaurant and they gave someone else a fork, they should in turn get one too. Its like a toddler that already has a sippy cup to drink out of, but when the other kid gets a sippy cup they in turn want that one. Its not like new players are getting all the new skins for free or something, they are just getting the core game because its needed to play HoT.

yolo swaggins.2570:

Straylight.7529:

No, the core game is free if you buy HoT. You only pay for the expansion. If you already have HoT you can just ignore that fact. If you don’t you can rejoice.

Then I am paying the same price for much less value than what other players are paying for. The core game might be free but then the players who are complaining already have the game so another free client doesn’t mean anything to them. That value is non-existant.

All that is left is the xpac.

yolo swaggins.2570:

New players are getting everything guild wars 2 has to offer plus a new map, a 9th profession and features for $50.

Old players are getting a new map, a 9th profession and features for $50.

No, your paying for HoT. New players arent getting EVERYTHING GW2 has to offer and thats what I have been trying to explain. They arent getting to experience what Vets already have, new players wont be able to experience no longer existing content. New players get pretty much a watered down old world where you have to pay to see anything past your personal story and a much lower amount of hours played. They get access to dungeons and such, crafting and world events and thats pretty much it.

Ricky.4706:

Jongi.7612:

Ricky.4706:

if they made the core guild wars – free to play for everyone, then it would be a better deal so new player and vet alike get a free game, and a paid expansion for 50 dollars.

You can already do this. Just buy HoT under a new account.

but i’d rather gift that new account or make a new vanilla account and keep the hot expansion for my main. so this is no deal for me, it’s just expensive dlc.

So lets say your going to gift it, and what if that person wants HoT? They then get another thing they can gift or keep which is pretty useless. You can increase your character count as much as you want by either a real money payment or with gold. If you think its just an expensive dlc focus on that and not that new players get the core game. HoT is $50 with or without the core game.

Solori.6025:

Jongi.7612:

Solori.6025:

Rai.9625:

Cambeleg.7632:

Rai.9625:

You just said you wanted to be treated the same/get the same. That’s all. And THAT you can get, new acc incl. exp.
That is what newcomers get. They don’t get an existing Acc and then the Exp…

You said the exactly same thing as me and saying I’m wrong. That is quite illogical for me. New player gets new acc, new gw2 new hot. You can too. That is all.

True is, it isn’t preferred and I can understand that.

Though you ‘demand’ or ‘wish’ to get something similar, but not the same. You want something else as a bonus, promotion, because you are a veteran, no?

I’ll explain it easier, Rai:

You have a [Banana] since two years ago. Anet comes and offers a bundle that contains an [Apple] and a [Banana] for same price that you bought your old [Banana]. You want the [Apple], but you can’t buy it without the [Banana], so you tell “good, in this case, I want the full pack”. Anet replies then: “if you already had a [Banana], you only get the [Apple]. You’ll have to save the old [Banana] and grab the new [Banana] since the [Apple] is bound”.

Now tell me, Rai: only ‘cos you already had a [Banana] since two years ago, you have less right to have a new [Banana] ’cos it’s included in the bundle? Or if you don’t get the [Banana], you’d not ask for something with equal value as compensation for this loss in the purchase?

That is not how it is: You can have more than one Account.
But I admit it sucks that the offer is not the best for me. I can decide between getting a new banana and apple… and save my old banana too, but I can only make one banana apple smoothie.
And I would prefer my ripened Banana for that, but wouldn’t get an additional banana for it. Such is the nature of promotional gifts.

It’s not a gift.
No where does it say ( Only new accounts get the base game free.) OR
As a gift we included the base game for free only for new players
ON THE BUY PAGE OR FAQ

It in fact says
Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns expansion(includes Guild Wars 2 core game)

This is the definition of includes.

Include-comprise or contain as part of a whole.

I don’t know why this is so hard for people to understand that regardless of whether you OWN or DO NOT OWN the base game.

50$ gets you/is supposed to get you BOTH
by the definition and wording of this sale.

Period.

Actually ANet did say that only new players get it if you read their forum post on the matter. Thats why earlier I said its a misunderstanding and that if they fixed the information under the package deals when you go to buy HoT what you just said would of never of came up.

They have had 3-4 days now to fix it?
Like the stealth edited the FAQ a couple of days ago.

If it is intended for this not to be a bundle, they are advertising this falsely and that is a legal no no.
If they want this bundle only for new players and it’s supposed to be a gift for them, they could have AT ANY POINT edited the language to not be ambiguous or false.

But they have not.

They have no link on the buy page for any type of clarification on the matter also.

The simple fact is. They haven’t
They are still advertising this product as a bundle, and still not delivering on this bundle.

This is the issue. Something that has gone over the heads of the knights, instead of telling people to wait and see, try sending in a ticket and asking anet to change the page. Then all they will have to do is refund the people that bought this under the pretense they were getting a bundle.
The end.

Well its not false advertising if the information is out there explaining what is going on now is it. Its not hidden behind thousands of posts and the information is there. I seen it before I even pre-ordered because someone asked on the forums and got an answer pretty quickly.

Rai.9625:

Just to clarify… less rights?

With games sad as it is… you don’t have many rights. xD wrong words again.

Sorry that I do that, working in a communication heavy branch does that to people.

For the whole discussion it boils down to:
For the money: is it worth in your opinion.
If no you will say why (for example hell, they get more value than me, thats a principle thing and hard to argue, or not enough content yet for that money, i would consider if yxz was included)

You are all trying to argue about… taste and preferences, about principles. That will in no way get you anywhere and defeats the purpose of what you really want:

You want to give Anet a message: Not enough for my money (for different reasons), so that they can see that opinion

You are diluting what you want to get across with hasty words which will most likely give the wrong impression.

For example: Cambeleg just says: for 50 bucks I want (out of principle) the same value as newcomers. So either a price reduction or another promo gift would push me over the edge to prepurchase/order whatever.

Nothing wrong with that, no?

Another player said:
For 50bucks… the content shown so far seems way to less for me to consider it worth it. Maybe show alot more maps, say a number of new instances etc. And I will consider buying/prepurchase/order it for the money.

again, nothing wrong there

The thing is though, not everyone is saying that. They dont understand that when you pay for HoT thats what your getting. They however think because of a misunderstand that they should also get the core game free if they are a vet player already. They can do this if they make a new account and will end out ahead of the new players. ANet just needs to fix the wording on their product selection to say this because they already said it in the forums that new players will get the core game for free.

Existing players already got their monies worth. $60 bucks for everything that they got to experience and the free stuff that they received though they are ignoring that. They dont even bring up what they already experienced like the marionettes, scarlet battle, all the season 2 living story without having to pay 200 gems for each episode, boosts and so on. They just want it because someone else gets a free game without looking at everything.

BrotherBelial.3094:

Jongi.7612:

BrotherBelial.3094:

Jongi.7612:

BrotherBelial.3094:

Jongi.7612:

Alienz.4593:

@ Jongi, As a vet,I could use that second account actually. Personnaly I’m not filled on chars slots, so I can manage without one, but I know many ppl that filled all their slots long ago, what about them?

Buy some character slot upgrades? Use gold for it, you know play the game if they dont want to dish out real life money.

I have not read one point on this thread from you that holds any water at all, not one.

The rev is a selling point for the game, there for you should not have to potentially spend more money to play one.

You dont have to, did you not just read that post. Unless you equate in game gold to actually money then theres nothing I can tell you at that point. But if you dont then just go play the game, get some gold and expand your roster. It seems like you just being difficult and lazy at this point in time.

That’s why I said potentially. Not you have to. That the potential is there, and that’s what any company wants, the potential to add to a sale. even when you go to buy HoT, it try’s to get you to buy the Ultimate telling you its the better deal.

The short of it is, there is the potential of kitten sale becoming $60. That’s what ANet wants as a company.

And if anyone is being difficult and lazy it’s you. As you seem unable to understand what people are saying, or you are just being a Troll.

Learn what a troll is. If you think im a troll why did you bite in the first place if im just trying to get attention and start stuff. I completely understand what people are saying, and if im actually not then why not take the time to explain it? More laziness on your part maybe?

You truly have no idea what you are talking about do you. Again I said Or, not you are. You appear to have zero reading comprehension, OR English is not your first language, and that’s why things are falling through the cracks.

Actually I have an acute form of dislexia and the forums are a little too fast for me to keep up. Sometimes I dont see certain words, but it still doesnt excuse the fact that a lot of what people are saying are just backwards and they dont understand that when you dish out $50 for HoT, that is exactly what your paying for, ANet is just making it so new players can get into the game with everyone else. They wont experience the same things that Vet players already experience so there really isnt an issue other than people wanting their cake and eat it to.

Ricky.4706:

if they made the core guild wars – free to play for everyone, then it would be a better deal so new player and vet alike get a free game, and a paid expansion for 50 dollars.

You can already do this. Just buy HoT under a new account.

Solori.6025:

Rai.9625:

Cambeleg.7632:

Rai.9625:

You just said you wanted to be treated the same/get the same. That’s all. And THAT you can get, new acc incl. exp.
That is what newcomers get. They don’t get an existing Acc and then the Exp…

You said the exactly same thing as me and saying I’m wrong. That is quite illogical for me. New player gets new acc, new gw2 new hot. You can too. That is all.

True is, it isn’t preferred and I can understand that.

Though you ‘demand’ or ‘wish’ to get something similar, but not the same. You want something else as a bonus, promotion, because you are a veteran, no?

I’ll explain it easier, Rai:

You have a [Banana] since two years ago. Anet comes and offers a bundle that contains an [Apple] and a [Banana] for same price that you bought your old [Banana]. You want the [Apple], but you can’t buy it without the [Banana], so you tell “good, in this case, I want the full pack”. Anet replies then: “if you already had a [Banana], you only get the [Apple]. You’ll have to save the old [Banana] and grab the new [Banana] since the [Apple] is bound”.

Now tell me, Rai: only ‘cos you already had a [Banana] since two years ago, you have less right to have a new [Banana] ’cos it’s included in the bundle? Or if you don’t get the [Banana], you’d not ask for something with equal value as compensation for this loss in the purchase?

That is not how it is: You can have more than one Account.
But I admit it sucks that the offer is not the best for me. I can decide between getting a new banana and apple… and save my old banana too, but I can only make one banana apple smoothie.
And I would prefer my ripened Banana for that, but wouldn’t get an additional banana for it. Such is the nature of promotional gifts.

It’s not a gift.
No where does it say ( Only new accounts get the base game free.) OR
As a gift we included the base game for free only for new players
ON THE BUY PAGE OR FAQ

It in fact says
Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns expansion(includes Guild Wars 2 core game)

This is the definition of includes.

Include-comprise or contain as part of a whole.

I don’t know why this is so hard for people to understand that regardless of whether you OWN or DO NOT OWN the base game.

50$ gets you/is supposed to get you BOTH
by the definition and wording of this sale.

Period.

Actually ANet did say that only new players get it if you read their forum post on the matter. Thats why earlier I said its a misunderstanding and that if they fixed the information under the package deals when you go to buy HoT what you just said would of never of came up.

choovanski.5462:

Jongi.7612:

choovanski.5462:

Jongi.7612:

choovanski.5462:

Jongi.7612:

choovanski.5462:

Jongi.7612:

Ricky.4706:

lol, this topic is so big beyond just the basic price tag, it should be coined #hotgate heh!!

the idea that people think people should not feel entitled to get what they pay for is seriously fascinating. forget the game, i want to understand how people have come to accept this, it may help understand why the world is such a mess today.

Alright, lets all get on the same page then. What do you think you should be getting when you buy HoT?

separate cd-keys for HoT and the ‘free’ gw2 would be nice

How about a list? If you want that just make a new account and buy HoT, you get exactly what your asking for.

if you buy Hot you get one key that you can use to upgrade an account, or to create an account with HoT + new gw2. I would like to upgrade my existing account and use the ‘free’ account to play EU pvp. currently I can’t.

That really isnt a list of issues. The issue you have could be something as easy as linking the regions together where you can choose where you want to play. You want to play on EU you just open up a slider say you want to play on EU and wala.

nope, I think the issue I have I the one I wrote down. I never mentioned region linking, all I’m asking for is separate cd-keys for HoT and the free gw2 account I would have also purchased.

You did mention you wanted to play on EU though right? Thats why I mentioned region linking. Its a solution to your problem.

I mentioned I wanted to use the second account I am forced to buy to play on EU. regardless, your proposed ‘solution’ of region linking is not going to be implemented by anet so it doesn’t even solve the problem (which is I want separate cd keys so I can upgrade without deleting my new gw2 account) because it won’t happen.

Your not buying another account though. Your just paying for HoT.

BrotherBelial.3094:

Jongi.7612:

BrotherBelial.3094:

Jongi.7612:

Alienz.4593:

@ Jongi, As a vet,I could use that second account actually. Personnaly I’m not filled on chars slots, so I can manage without one, but I know many ppl that filled all their slots long ago, what about them?

Buy some character slot upgrades? Use gold for it, you know play the game if they dont want to dish out real life money.

I have not read one point on this thread from you that holds any water at all, not one.

The rev is a selling point for the game, there for you should not have to potentially spend more money to play one.

You dont have to, did you not just read that post. Unless you equate in game gold to actually money then theres nothing I can tell you at that point. But if you dont then just go play the game, get some gold and expand your roster. It seems like you just being difficult and lazy at this point in time.

That’s why I said potentially. Not you have to. That the potential is there, and that’s what any company wants, the potential to add to a sale. even when you go to buy HoT, it try’s to get you to buy the Ultimate telling you its the better deal.

The short of it is, there is the potential of kitten sale becoming $60. That’s what ANet wants as a company.

And if anyone is being difficult and lazy it’s you. As you seem unable to understand what people are saying, or you are just being a Troll.

Learn what a troll is. If you think im a troll why did you bite in the first place if im just trying to get attention and start stuff. I completely understand what people are saying, and if im actually not then why not take the time to explain it? More laziness on your part maybe?

Cambeleg.7632:

Jongi.7612:

Arkblue.6129:

I don’t think you can really play the “entitlement” card here since even many MMO sites are reporting the news and are also highlighting how vets are receiving a worse deal for the pre-purchase, suggesting Anet to sweeten the dail and make the 2 options equal.

Explain how they are getting a worse deal. Did you forget that the Vets got to play for 3 years, they got free level 20 character boosts and so on? Did these MMO sites report on that or are they just looking at it as “new players get something vet players dont so then its unfair”?

Oh oh oh, please please, can I? raises hand up

1. To play for 3 years don’t give you less rights.

2. “They got free level 20 character boosts” > Same they will get once they play year after year.

3. Read the sites and you’ll know it.

To play for 3 years doesnt give you more either. And the vets will get those boosts on top of the ones they already got which isnt equal. If I got 5 boots overall and a new player only gets 2 then that isnt equal right?

choovanski.5462:

Jongi.7612:

choovanski.5462:

Jongi.7612:

choovanski.5462:

Jongi.7612:

Ricky.4706:

lol, this topic is so big beyond just the basic price tag, it should be coined #hotgate heh!!

the idea that people think people should not feel entitled to get what they pay for is seriously fascinating. forget the game, i want to understand how people have come to accept this, it may help understand why the world is such a mess today.

Alright, lets all get on the same page then. What do you think you should be getting when you buy HoT?

separate cd-keys for HoT and the ‘free’ gw2 would be nice

How about a list? If you want that just make a new account and buy HoT, you get exactly what your asking for.

if you buy Hot you get one key that you can use to upgrade an account, or to create an account with HoT + new gw2. I would like to upgrade my existing account and use the ‘free’ account to play EU pvp. currently I can’t.

That really isnt a list of issues. The issue you have could be something as easy as linking the regions together where you can choose where you want to play. You want to play on EU you just open up a slider say you want to play on EU and wala.

nope, I think the issue I have I the one I wrote down. I never mentioned region linking, all I’m asking for is separate cd-keys for HoT and the free gw2 account I would have also purchased.

You did mention you wanted to play on EU though right? Thats why I mentioned region linking. Its a solution to your problem.

Arkblue.6129:

I don’t think you can really play the “entitlement” card here since even many MMO sites are reporting the news and are also highlighting how vets are receiving a worse deal for the pre-purchase, suggesting Anet to sweeten the dail and make the 2 options equal.

Explain how they are getting a worse deal. Did you forget that the Vets got to play for 3 years, they got free level 20 character boosts and so on? Did these MMO sites report on that or are they just looking at it as “new players get something vet players dont so then its unfair”?

Ephemiel.5694:

Jongi.7612:

Cambeleg.7632:

Jongi, really I can’t help thinking you just are trolling ‘cos you don’t stop repeating same arguments again and again. lol

What do you expect me to do when people keep repeating the same things over and over again? Its called staying on topic. Do you expect me to talk about pink unicorns and gumdrop enemies or something?

Problem is your arguments are WRONG and instead of trying to understand, you keep spitting the same crap over and over. If we WERE entitled, MMO sites wouldn’t be reporting these news.

You’re either a troll or completely and utterly dumb to not even try to understand and just label it as “entitlement”. Now you’re even dumb enough to say that we should simply sacrifice our accounts and make a new one.

From what I have heard for 4 pages, its entitlement. If you are actually talking about my original post. If not then instead of getting kitteny at the response actually take the time to explain yourself fully.

And your not sacrificing anything, your not giving up your existing account to get a new account. Thats what a sacrifice would be. What people have been saying is they want the core game as well as HoT like the other people, they can get it, just act like your a new player. In the end you will have MORE than what they have. I just KNEW someone was going to bring it up that they want their cake and eat it to. They want HoT on their existing account and a free account to who knows what they would do with it. Give it to their friend? And when they want HoT what are you going to do with that core game, and it just keeps on going on in a circle. Its just easier to say “new players get the core game with their purchase”.

BrotherBelial.3094:

Jongi.7612:

Alienz.4593:

@ Jongi, As a vet,I could use that second account actually. Personnaly I’m not filled on chars slots, so I can manage without one, but I know many ppl that filled all their slots long ago, what about them?

Buy some character slot upgrades? Use gold for it, you know play the game if they dont want to dish out real life money.

I have not read one point on this thread from you that holds any water at all, not one.

The rev is a selling point for the game, there for you should not have to potentially spend more money to play one.

You dont have to, did you not just read that post. Unless you equate in game gold to actually money then theres nothing I can tell you at that point. But if you dont then just go play the game, get some gold and expand your roster. It seems like you just being difficult and lazy at this point in time.

choovanski.5462:

Jongi.7612:

choovanski.5462:

Jongi.7612:

Ricky.4706:

lol, this topic is so big beyond just the basic price tag, it should be coined #hotgate heh!!

the idea that people think people should not feel entitled to get what they pay for is seriously fascinating. forget the game, i want to understand how people have come to accept this, it may help understand why the world is such a mess today.

Alright, lets all get on the same page then. What do you think you should be getting when you buy HoT?

separate cd-keys for HoT and the ‘free’ gw2 would be nice

How about a list? If you want that just make a new account and buy HoT, you get exactly what your asking for.

if you buy Hot you get one key that you can use to upgrade an account, or to create an account with HoT + new gw2. I would like to upgrade my existing account and use the ‘free’ account to play EU pvp. currently I can’t.

That really isnt a list of issues. The issue you have could be something as easy as linking the regions together where you can choose where you want to play. You want to play on EU you just open up a slider say you want to play on EU and wala.

Cambeleg.7632:

Jongi, really I can’t help thinking you just are trolling ‘cos you don’t stop repeating same arguments again and again. lol

What do you expect me to do when people keep repeating the same things over and over again? Its called staying on topic. Do you expect me to talk about pink unicorns and gumdrop enemies or something?

Ricky.4706:

@Jongi – the current deal is a Hot expansion AND a free core account. I’d be happy with expanding my core account and being able to gift the extra core account or even set up a 2nd core account anet is offering for free ( i like making asura characters of every class ). is that bad ?

Its the HoT expansion and a free core game to new players. You can make all the asura characters you want without needing a new account, just buy character slots with gold, easy.

Alienz.4593:

@ Jongi, As a vet,I could use that second account actually. Personnaly I’m not filled on chars slots, so I can manage without one, but I know many ppl that filled all their slots long ago, what about them?

Buy some character slot upgrades? Use gold for it, you know play the game if they dont want to dish out real life money.

choovanski.5462:

Jongi.7612:

Ricky.4706:

lol, this topic is so big beyond just the basic price tag, it should be coined #hotgate heh!!

the idea that people think people should not feel entitled to get what they pay for is seriously fascinating. forget the game, i want to understand how people have come to accept this, it may help understand why the world is such a mess today.

Alright, lets all get on the same page then. What do you think you should be getting when you buy HoT?

separate cd-keys for HoT and the ‘free’ gw2 would be nice

How about a list? If you want that just make a new account and buy HoT, you get exactly what your asking for.

Ricky.4706:

lol, this topic is so big beyond just the basic price tag, it should be coined #hotgate heh!!

the idea that people think people should not feel entitled to get what they pay for is seriously fascinating. forget the game, i want to understand how people have come to accept this, it may help understand why the world is such a mess today.

Alright, lets all get on the same page then. What do you think you should be getting when you buy HoT?

Astralporing.1957:

Jongi.7612:

My post however is about the vets that think they are entitled to get free stuff because they have been playing for 3 years.

So, a post about hypothetical people you have not proved even exist? Fine, go on, but you are aiming your arguments at noone then, because people that you argue against either do not exist at all, or are some individual exceptions. It has no bearing at all on the current arguments on the forums.

Jongi.7612:

What do you need another fork for?

That’s for him, not for seller, to decide.

Jongi.7612:

Except you are getting what you paid for. Your paying for HoT, so your getting HoT.

And again i will ask – do you really believe that noone is paying for the core game that is included in this bundle?

Its not hypothetical, Ive been reading the forums for days now and I have seen a lot of it going on.

Cambeleg.7632:

Jongi.7612:

Cambeleg.7632:

Rai.9625:

You just said you wanted to be treated the same/get the same. That’s all. And THAT you can get, new acc incl. exp.
That is what newcomers get. They don’t get an existing Acc and then the Exp…

You said the exactly same thing as me and saying I’m wrong. That is quite illogical for me. New player gets new acc, new gw2 new hot. You can too. That is all.

True is, it isn’t preferred and I can understand that.

Though you ‘demand’ or ‘wish’ to get something similar, but not the same. You want something else as a bonus, promotion, because you are a veteran, no?

I’ll explain it easier, Rai:

You have a [Banana] since two years ago. Anet comes and offers a bundle that contains an [Apple] and a [Banana] for same price that you bought your old [Banana]. You want the [Apple], but you can’t buy it without the [Banana], so you tell “good, in this case, I want the full pack”. Anet replies then: “if you already had a [Banana], you only get the [Apple]. You’ll have to save the old [Banana] and grab the new [Banana] since the [Apple] is bound”.

Now tell me, Rai: only ‘cos you already had a [Banana] since two years ago, you have less right to have a new [Banana] ’cos it’s included in the bundle? Or if you don’t get the [Banana], you’d not ask for something with equal value as compensation for this loss in the purchase?

It isnt the same thing. This is like you need a fork to eat this pasta, if you dont have your own fork one with be provided for you.

And if I already have a fork? This means I don’t have right to have another fork?

What do you need another fork for? And no, just look at what it says “if you dont have a fork one will be provided for you.” Its like if you dont have a lawyer one will be provided for you, if you already have one then you dont need me to supply you with one.

Ricky.4706:

so a customer is not entitled to what they want to pay for ? isn’t that …oppressive ?

this fascinates me beyond the game actually, this is the same argument Nestle uses to imply that water isn’t a human right. water is not an “entitlement” and should be purchased.

it concerns me that gaming companies are slowly training their audience to this mentality.

Except you are getting what you paid for. Your paying for HoT, so your getting HoT.

Aidenwolf.5964:

Jongi.7612:

Ricky.4706:

so unless they agree with you, they are whining ? you don’t see that as oppressive behavior ?

No, theres a difference of whining and disagreement. I disagree with some people that the expansion isnt worth $50, they however arent asking for free stuff and whining how someone else is getting something and they feel like they are getting the short end of the stick even though they had access to sooooo much more than any new player would even know they could of had access too. Its like the *vets have forgotten what they had access too and was able to experience and then they have the kittening nerve to ask for even more when all that new players are getting is the core game and not even what everyone who has been playing for 3 years has access too?

Why are you ignoring that we paid to play all the 3 years of content you keep referencing? We don’t want pay again for the core game without getting another core game…. Simple math really I’ll help you understand.

New player gets
GW2 + HoT

Veteran gets
Hot

Both pay the same price = kitten

You arent paying for the same thing again. The expansion itself is $50.

Cambeleg.7632:

Rai.9625:

You just said you wanted to be treated the same/get the same. That’s all. And THAT you can get, new acc incl. exp.
That is what newcomers get. They don’t get an existing Acc and then the Exp…

You said the exactly same thing as me and saying I’m wrong. That is quite illogical for me. New player gets new acc, new gw2 new hot. You can too. That is all.

True is, it isn’t preferred and I can understand that.

Though you ‘demand’ or ‘wish’ to get something similar, but not the same. You want something else as a bonus, promotion, because you are a veteran, no?

I’ll explain it easier, Rai:

You have a [Banana] since two years ago. Anet comes and offers a bundle that contains an [Apple] and a [Banana] for same price that you bought your old [Banana]. You want the [Apple], but you can’t buy it without the [Banana], so you tell “good, in this case, I want the full pack”. Anet replies then: “if you already had a [Banana], you only get the [Apple]. You’ll have to save the old [Banana] and grab the new [Banana] since the [Apple] is bound”.

Now tell me, Rai: only ‘cos you already had a [Banana] since two years ago, you have less right to have a new [Banana] ’cos it’s included in the bundle? Or if you don’t get the [Banana], you’d not ask for something with equal value as compensation for this loss in the purchase?

It isnt the same thing. This is like you need a fork to eat this pasta, if you dont have your own fork one with be provided for you.

Random.4691:

A better question is why do people like OP keep throwing around words like “entitlement” ? Have you bothered to read past 10% of the complaints ? It is a matter of principle, it is the fact that we should be able to trust the company that is asking for our hard earned dollars. I see no reason to give Anet a shred of trust at this point. Ya a character slot would be nice, you know what would be even better ? If they hadn’t scammed thousands of customers new and old with their FAQ’s.

For the record those FAQ’s have been up for months so the whole “they will reimburse people that bought it in the last 30 days” is not good enough. They spent their time, some spent money on gems, they have progressed in game. All of that has value to each individual, they shouldn’t lose it all for a BS refund because Anet consciously scammed them.

It wasn’t an accident, I used to think maybe it was a mistake but the more I have thought about it, someone there knew it was wrong. If they truly couldn’t see the problem with their little stunt then they should close the doors because they have no business running a company.

The silence ontop of it proves to me they know they are in the wrong and are trying to figure out how to BS their way out of it.

You didnt read my post did you? Read it because I said the only people who should be kittened are the people who bought the core game recently. The exact people you are talking about. My post however is about the vets that think they are entitled to get free stuff because they have been playing for 3 years.

Their silence could mean they are looking into a way to make those people happy that recently bought the core game and feel like they got ripped off. You know kitten well if they say “we are looking into a solution” people would find something to lash out at them with. Your not working fast enough, or that isnt good enough, or this or that.

Ricky.4706:

so unless they agree with you, they are whining ? you don’t see that as oppressive behavior ?

No, theres a difference of whining and disagreement. I disagree with some people that the expansion isnt worth $50, they however arent asking for free stuff and whining how someone else is getting something and they feel like they are getting the short end of the stick even though they had access to sooooo much more than any new player would even know they could of had access too. Its like the vets have forgotten what they had access too and was able to experience and then they have the kittening nerve to ask for even more when all that new players are getting is the core game and not even what everyone who has been playing for 3 years has access too?

stof.9341:

DresdenAllblack.1249:

Every business I know caters more to the new customer than to the existing one.
Now, if the loyal customer feels slighted, than that has to be rectified. But how does Anet go about that?
A character slot for only veterans? Seems like two wrongs there, and a vicious circle tbh.
Still even with any extras, kids are still screaming price when every video game ever released on ANY system is $60.
So if Anet caters to us ‘veterans’ what about those unhappy about price?

Why two wrongs? GW2 straight up said that the core GW2 is F2P (except you need to buy at least HoT to use it). So we preowners of the core GW2 are entitled a replacement for that now “worthless” item because it’s ANet fault it’s worthless.

Which is very similar to saying : HoT bundle purchase includes either a copy of GW2 or something else (800 gems? a char slot? both?) if you already own one.

No no no no no… just no. Your not entitled to anything. You even helped my point across that you think your entitled because you bought the game 3 years ago. Did you not forget you got soooo much that isnt able to be gotten anymore in those 3 years without paying for it like living story season 2? Or how about just all the time you spent in game already, or the free level 20 boosts, or whatever else you could think of.

This is exactly what my original post was addressing, people need to understand this.

Someday.3650:

Quoting myself:

Someday.3650:

Seera.5916:

So you’re telling those who say that the pricing is fine off for trying to get people to believe their side, but then doing the same thing but for the opposing side……

People should make their own minds up based on the evidence available. Not because someone else said they should be on one side or the other.

The difference is that we’re addressing Anet to get a response from them, not from others users that are okay with this. But said users, are trying to convince people that isn’t okay with Anet’s actions, for whatever reason (price, quality, lack of slot, shaddy practices), and in most cases like if we were crazy or cheap. Even in some cases with fallacies, like the lack of subscription*.
So yeah, it’s starting to get annoying. If you guys are okay with the whole situation, great I respect your opinion, but stop trying to back seat moderate the forum or tell other people what they should be or not complaining about. We already have enough with all the complaints being merged into one thread while the threads in favor of the price are not.

*: Yes, there’s no subscription, but we have the gem store. GW2 doesn’t use a subscription model as a marketing strategy, not because they’re our friends. For example, while I didn’t buy this game only for that reason, it was a very important one, that and the fact that I’m okay with cosmetics being sold. Otherwise they wouldn’t have my money in the first place so the argument of “we didn’t pay subscription” is pointless. Also, the subscription model isn’t working that well anymore except for that one game that has a different type of community, so this game with a subscription model could be another dead MMO.
So, we have plenty of potential scenarios and neither of them is true because Anet choose not to use a subscription model hence they marketed the game that way.

There you go. Stop trying to back seat moderate or tell customer what they should do including things like leave the community. If we’re upset is because we like the game and the community and we don’t want to leave, but we also don’t agree with this unfair treatment
If anyone has entintled mentality here is you and the other people telling other users that they shouldn’t complain. Who are you to say such thing?

Quit trolling. Thanks.

How exactly is telling other people to stop whining entitlement? Your so far off the mark its embarrassing. What some people are doing is trying to make the complainers see that their arguments are kind of stupid. I paid for something 3 years ago I should get something free now, no the expansion isnt $50 (yes it is), the expansion comes with a free core game (only to new players), wheres my character slot (they dont owe you one, other games when bringing out a new class dont give you free character slots for them how is this any different). If you dont like the price because you dont think what your getting is worth it thats fine, nothing to debate there, its your opinion.

Starlightpaw.5871:

Jongi.7612:

Arkblue.6129:

Well, to be honest even the game press is starting to align with customers, or at least they understand their point of view and they deem it legit.
http://www.pcgamer.com/guild-wars-2-players-rightly-upset-by-heart-of-thorns-pre-purchase-scheme/

There is no scheme, just a misunderstanding. If they would of worded HoT as such “new players get the core game for free” a lot of the arguments would of been erased. HoT is $50 dollars with or without the core game.

But that is how ANet worded it, and our arguments are justified.

No it isnt, go look at the basic package. They had to post in the forums stating the correction.

stof.9341:

Jongi.7612:

The core game ALWAYS goes down in price no matter the game when an expansion is released. You can get Vanilla through MoP for like 20 bucks now though others spent $250 if the prices were at $50 each. The only difference between here and there is Anet made it free with a purchase of the expansion.

But the core doesn’t get dropped down to $0 in price, and for sure not without some compensation for current owners.

Anet made it free with the expansion. Its a buy to play game. If you already have it what is there to complain about?