Guild Wars 2

Starlightpaw.5871:

Jongi.7612:

Starlightpaw.5871:

Jongi.7612:

Theres a third option too, dont buy it. See how simple it is?

I think most people who have been playing the game for 3 years want to buy HoT and not feel like they are being treated unfairly while doing it.

Most of the people on the forums. I dont feel like im being treated unfairly because I know that I got my monies worth. Its not like WoW where they charge a monthy fee, say all this stuff is going to be in the expansion and then release something like WoD. If you dont like what your getting dont buy it. Its really just that simple.

Then that’s the way you feel, and that’s fine. I’m glad you’re happy with what you paid for, but there are too many people who aren’t happy for this issue to be swept under the rug. It doesn’t help that they people who are happy keep calling the people who aren’t “entitled,” while we clearly have our reasons for being upset about ANet way of marketing.

And I won’t be buying it, not until ANet does something about it. In the end it’s ANet’s loss though.

You didnt read my original post did you? People want something just because they have played the game since launch. THAT is what im addressing, not if you think the expansion is or isnt worth $50. I dont think steak should be $20, some people do… no point in arguing over that. But if you think you should get a free beef tip because you shopped there longer than someone who just walked in the door, thats entitlement.

Manasa Devi.7958:

Jongi.7612:

Most of the people on the forums. I dont feel like im being treated unfairly because I know that I got my monies worth.

But you haven’t gotten your money’s worth for the expansion, because you don’t have it yet. No one is arguing that we didn’t get our money’s worth with the original purchase. I’d just like to see an expansion and to see it sold in way that’s also my money’s worth.

Where did I say I got my monies worth from the expansion. Its like there are 40 different conversations going at the same time none of which are about the original post. I got my monies worth from the core game. I dont need a free character slot, I dont need a free skin, a free core copy or anything else because I got my monies worth.

Do I think the expansion is worth it though, yes. Thats why I pre-ordered.

And yes, people are using the argument that they didnt get their monies worth from the core game, thats why I made the post. They think they should get more and more just for playing the game for 3 years. Thats the entire point of my post.

The core game ALWAYS goes down in price no matter the game when an expansion is released. You can get Vanilla through MoP for like 20 bucks now though others spent $250 if the prices were at $50 each. The only difference between here and there is Anet made it free with a purchase of the expansion.

Arkblue.6129:

Well, to be honest even the game press is starting to align with customers, or at least they understand their point of view and they deem it legit.
http://www.pcgamer.com/guild-wars-2-players-rightly-upset-by-heart-of-thorns-pre-purchase-scheme/

There is no scheme, just a misunderstanding. If they would of worded HoT as such “new players get the core game for free” a lot of the arguments would of been erased. HoT is $50 dollars with or without the core game.

Though that isnt the point at all of my original post. It was addressing people who think that just because they have played for 3 years they should get something in return". No other reason, just because they have played for 3 years.

Aidenwolf.5964:

Jongi.7612:

Starlightpaw.5871:

Jongi.7612:

Cambeleg.7632:

Jongi.7612:

Cambeleg.7632:

Jongi.7612:

Bla bla bla…

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No you have a right to say what you dont like about it. But when it steps into the realm of entitlement your arguments are overlooked. If you dont think the expansion is worth $50 go ahead, voice away. If you think you are owed something because you played for 3 years I get get the kitten out and dont come back.

See? This is why people like you keep repeating like parrots same arguments without noticing the right point: you really don’t read threads. Just imagine the point and charge against it.

Let me tell you the real point.

Most of ‘vets’ who are protesting settle these two clear points against the pre-purchase:

1. Anet shows very, very few information about what HoT will offer. This causes players to not trust the purchase will satisfy their interests.

2. The issue with the Basic Pack isn’t -I repeat: isn’t- the price, but what gives the pack. A ‘vet’ player won’t get more than HoT, while new players get HoT and the core. It’s a good deal for new players? Of course. It’s good for the community? Of course! It’s good for the vets? No. Why? Because there is no real incentive for buying the pack.

Now you’ll say “but you have other two options”. Yeah, true, but…

… what if I’m not interested in the skins, the statue and/or the gems? Really, the only incentive for those packs is the character slot. Oops, but wait… why they didn’t include it in the Basic Pack too, since ‘vet’ players only gonna recieve HoT with it?

There is the point why many ‘vets’ feel disappointed and mad.

Argue with these statements, once you know the real points.

Theres a third option too, dont buy it. See how simple it is?

I think most people who have been playing the game for 3 years want to buy HoT and not feel like they are being treated unfairly while doing it.

Most of the people on the forums. I dont feel like im being treated unfairly because I know that I got my monies worth. Its not like WoW where they charge a monthy fee, say all this stuff is going to be in the expansion and then release something like WoD. If you dont like what your getting dont buy it. Its really just that simple.

Wait now you’re telling us to go back to not buying it?

I never told you to go out and buy it in the first place.

Starlightpaw.5871:

Jongi.7612:

Cambeleg.7632:

Jongi.7612:

Cambeleg.7632:

Jongi.7612:

Bla bla bla…

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No you have a right to say what you dont like about it. But when it steps into the realm of entitlement your arguments are overlooked. If you dont think the expansion is worth $50 go ahead, voice away. If you think you are owed something because you played for 3 years I get get the kitten out and dont come back.

See? This is why people like you keep repeating like parrots same arguments without noticing the right point: you really don’t read threads. Just imagine the point and charge against it.

Let me tell you the real point.

Most of ‘vets’ who are protesting settle these two clear points against the pre-purchase:

1. Anet shows very, very few information about what HoT will offer. This causes players to not trust the purchase will satisfy their interests.

2. The issue with the Basic Pack isn’t -I repeat: isn’t- the price, but what gives the pack. A ‘vet’ player won’t get more than HoT, while new players get HoT and the core. It’s a good deal for new players? Of course. It’s good for the community? Of course! It’s good for the vets? No. Why? Because there is no real incentive for buying the pack.

Now you’ll say “but you have other two options”. Yeah, true, but…

… what if I’m not interested in the skins, the statue and/or the gems? Really, the only incentive for those packs is the character slot. Oops, but wait… why they didn’t include it in the Basic Pack too, since ‘vet’ players only gonna recieve HoT with it?

There is the point why many ‘vets’ feel disappointed and mad.

Argue with these statements, once you know the real points.

Theres a third option too, dont buy it. See how simple it is?

I think most people who have been playing the game for 3 years want to buy HoT and not feel like they are being treated unfairly while doing it.

Your not though. The expansion is 50 dollars with or without the free core game. If you dont think its worth it dont buy it.

Starlightpaw.5871:

Jongi.7612:

Cambeleg.7632:

Jongi.7612:

Cambeleg.7632:

Jongi.7612:

Bla bla bla…

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No you have a right to say what you dont like about it. But when it steps into the realm of entitlement your arguments are overlooked. If you dont think the expansion is worth $50 go ahead, voice away. If you think you are owed something because you played for 3 years I get get the kitten out and dont come back.

See? This is why people like you keep repeating like parrots same arguments without noticing the right point: you really don’t read threads. Just imagine the point and charge against it.

Let me tell you the real point.

Most of ‘vets’ who are protesting settle these two clear points against the pre-purchase:

1. Anet shows very, very few information about what HoT will offer. This causes players to not trust the purchase will satisfy their interests.

2. The issue with the Basic Pack isn’t -I repeat: isn’t- the price, but what gives the pack. A ‘vet’ player won’t get more than HoT, while new players get HoT and the core. It’s a good deal for new players? Of course. It’s good for the community? Of course! It’s good for the vets? No. Why? Because there is no real incentive for buying the pack.

Now you’ll say “but you have other two options”. Yeah, true, but…

… what if I’m not interested in the skins, the statue and/or the gems? Really, the only incentive for those packs is the character slot. Oops, but wait… why they didn’t include it in the Basic Pack too, since ‘vet’ players only gonna recieve HoT with it?

There is the point why many ‘vets’ feel disappointed and mad.

Argue with these statements, once you know the real points.

Theres a third option too, dont buy it. See how simple it is?

I think most people who have been playing the game for 3 years want to buy HoT and not feel like they are being treated unfairly while doing it.

Most of the people on the forums. I dont feel like im being treated unfairly because I know that I got my monies worth. Its not like WoW where they charge a monthy fee, say all this stuff is going to be in the expansion and then release something like WoD. If you dont like what your getting dont buy it. Its really just that simple.

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

Jongi.7612:

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

Jongi.7612:

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

Jongi.7612:

KGS.9842:

Jongi.7612:

But lets see, special treatment. Theres another word for it.

yes, it’s discrimination

Reading comprehention. Im not saying that there is another word for special treatment or entitlement, im saying special treatment is another word for entitlement.

Buy a dictionary.

Ive already posted the definition, maybe you should look it up.

Why should I look it up for you, can’t you read a dictionary yourself?

the belief that one is inherently deserving of privileges or special treatment.
“no wonder your kids have a sense of entitlement”

There… just so you know what we are talking about here. Thats right out of the dictionary as well.

Except that we are not believing we inherently deserve any special treatment, we just want the same as new players for 50 bucks. A copy of the core game + hot.

You have the core game already. Would you be happy if they just let you create as many accounts as you wanted and play to 80?

Starlightpaw.5871:

Jongi.7612:

Starlightpaw.5871:

DresdenAllblack.1249:

Every business I know caters more to the new customer than to the existing one.
Now, if the loyal customer feels slighted, than that has to be rectified. But how does Anet go about that?
A character slot for only veterans? Seems like two wrongs there, and a vicious circle tbh.
Still even with any extras, kids are still screaming price when every video game ever released on ANY system is $60.
So if Anet caters to us ‘veterans’ what about those unhappy about price?

People are only unhappy about the price because they don’t think they are getting their moneys worth, and I am in that category. If ANet included a character slot for veterans with the expansion, then I would feel like I’m getting my moneys worth, but I can’t speak for other people.

When you put “only” in that statement that means everyone who is unhappy falls under that category and that isnt the case. People just want free stuff. If you dont think the expansion is worth its cost due to limited information then by all means, wait, talk with your wallet. But coming on the forums screaming that you should get something for playing for 3 years wont accomplish anything. It just makes people look childish like they are deserving of something because they played a game.

Like I said, I can’t speak for everyone, and I doubt that everyone is upset because they “just want free stuff.”

And I’m not screaming, I’ve been discussing the situation civilly anywhere I post on the forums. And if you don’t think that a mass amount of people complaining about the same thing on the forums won’t change anything, then you are dead wrong. Either ANet will change the way they are marketing the expansion to make it seem fairer to veterans, or they do nothing and potentially lose players or not make as much money as they would have off of HoT.

If you cant speak for everyone then dont put “only” in the post. It clumps everyone in the same category. Never said “you” were, just making an example of what is going on and what it would be like if you did do something like what others are doing. This will blow over when something like the engineer specialization comes out or something.

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

Jongi.7612:

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

Jongi.7612:

KGS.9842:

Jongi.7612:

But lets see, special treatment. Theres another word for it.

yes, it’s discrimination

Reading comprehention. Im not saying that there is another word for special treatment or entitlement, im saying special treatment is another word for entitlement.

Buy a dictionary.

Ive already posted the definition, maybe you should look it up.

Why should I look it up for you, can’t you read a dictionary yourself?

the belief that one is inherently deserving of privileges or special treatment.
“no wonder your kids have a sense of entitlement”

There… just so you know what we are talking about here. Thats right out of the dictionary as well.

Manasa Devi.7958:

Jongi.7612:

the belief that one is inherently deserving of privileges or special treatment.
“no wonder your kids have a sense of entitlement”

Wheres my 10g?

So your next post is going to apologize for applying the word falsely? Surely you’re not going to maintain with a straight face that asking for a deal that somewhat approaches the deal that others are being offered for the same amount of money, holds up to that definition?

Did you not read my post at all? They are wanting free stuff for playing since launch, no other reason. So no im not using the word falsely.

Wheres my 10g?

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

Jongi.7612:

KGS.9842:

Jongi.7612:

But lets see, special treatment. Theres another word for it.

yes, it’s discrimination

Reading comprehention. Im not saying that there is another word for special treatment or entitlement, im saying special treatment is another word for entitlement.

Buy a dictionary.

Ive already posted the definition, maybe you should look it up.

Cambeleg.7632:

Jongi.7612:

Cambeleg.7632:

Jongi.7612:

Bla bla bla…

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No you have a right to say what you dont like about it. But when it steps into the realm of entitlement your arguments are overlooked. If you dont think the expansion is worth $50 go ahead, voice away. If you think you are owed something because you played for 3 years I get get the kitten out and dont come back.

See? This is why people like you keep repeating like parrots same arguments without noticing the right point: you really don’t read threads. Just imagine the point and charge against it.

Let me tell you the real point.

Most of ‘vets’ who are protesting settle these two clear points against the pre-purchase:

1. Anet shows very, very few information about what HoT will offer. This causes players to not trust the purchase will satisfy their interests.

2. The issue with the Basic Pack isn’t -I repeat: isn’t- the price, but what gives the pack. A ‘vet’ player won’t get more than HoT, while new players get HoT and the core. It’s a good deal for new players? Of course. It’s good for the community? Of course! It’s good for the vets? No. Why? Because there is no real incentive for buying the pack.

Now you’ll say “but you have other two options”. Yeah, true, but…

… what if I’m not interested in the skins, the statue and/or the gems? Really, the only incentive for those packs is the character slot. Oops, but wait… why they didn’t include it in the Basic Pack too, since ‘vet’ players only gonna recieve HoT with it?

There is the point why many ‘vets’ feel disappointed and mad.

Argue with these statements, once you know the real points.

Theres a third option too, dont buy it. See how simple it is?

Aidenwolf.5964:

Jongi.7612:

KGS.9842:

Jongi.7612:

But lets see, special treatment. Theres another word for it.

yes, it’s discrimination

Reading comprehention. Im not saying that there is another word for special treatment or entitlement, im saying special treatment is another word for entitlement.

You don’t even realize that’s 2 words…

Ohhhh wowwww. Fine, theres another way to put it then, happy?

Aidenwolf.5964:

Jongi.7612:

Aidenwolf.5964:

Jongi.7612:

Aidenwolf.5964:

Jongi.7612:

Cambeleg.7632:

Jongi.7612:

Bla bla bla…

You think some people don’t have right to protest about something they’re agree with? If they consider the deal isn’t fair for them, they have the whole right to protest. Many people settled the reason why they’re not happy with the offer in forums, reddit and others.

Are you happy with the deal? Better for you.

But for the shake of…, don’t come to tell “ey, people, you’re wrong, you don’t have right to protest!”. Sorry, but as customers, these mad ‘vets’ have all the right to protest publicly.

And now, move on.

No you have a right to say what you dont like about it. But when it steps into the realm of entitlement your arguments are overlooked. If you dont think the expansion is worth $50 go ahead, voice away. If you think you are owed something because you played for 3 years I get get the kitten out and dont come back.

We don’t need to leave. We’re paying customers we get to be here forever….. If you can define entilenent without looking it up I’ll mail you 10g

Ive already given examples of it, ill be waiting for my 10g. But lets see, special treatment. Theres another word for it.

Wrong. Now look it up and stop using words you don’t understand, thank you

the belief that one is inherently deserving of privileges or special treatment.
“no wonder your kids have a sense of entitlement”

Wheres my 10g?

Said if you didn’t look it up my man. I’m honestly impressed you can type that.

The first time I didnt, then you said wrong, so i posted the definition to show I was right. So wheres my 10g?

KGS.9842:

Jongi.7612:

But lets see, special treatment. Theres another word for it.

yes, it’s discrimination

Reading comprehention. Im not saying that there is another word for special treatment or entitlement, im saying special treatment is another word for entitlement.

Starlightpaw.5871:

DresdenAllblack.1249:

Every business I know caters more to the new customer than to the existing one.
Now, if the loyal customer feels slighted, than that has to be rectified. But how does Anet go about that?
A character slot for only veterans? Seems like two wrongs there, and a vicious circle tbh.
Still even with any extras, kids are still screaming price when every video game ever released on ANY system is $60.
So if Anet caters to us ‘veterans’ what about those unhappy about price?

People are only unhappy about the price because they don’t think they are getting their moneys worth, and I am in that category. If ANet included a character slot for veterans with the expansion, then I would feel like I’m getting my moneys worth, but I can’t speak for other people.

When you put “only” in that statement that means everyone who is unhappy falls under that category and that isnt the case. People just want free stuff. If you dont think the expansion is worth its cost due to limited information then by all means, wait, talk with your wallet. But coming on the forums screaming that you should get something for playing for 3 years wont accomplish anything. It just makes people look childish like they are deserving of something because they played a game.

Aidenwolf.5964:

Jongi.7612:

Aidenwolf.5964:

Jongi.7612:

Cambeleg.7632:

Jongi.7612:

Bla bla bla…

You think some people don’t have right to protest about something they’re agree with? If they consider the deal isn’t fair for them, they have the whole right to protest. Many people settled the reason why they’re not happy with the offer in forums, reddit and others.

Are you happy with the deal? Better for you.

But for the shake of…, don’t come to tell “ey, people, you’re wrong, you don’t have right to protest!”. Sorry, but as customers, these mad ‘vets’ have all the right to protest publicly.

And now, move on.

No you have a right to say what you dont like about it. But when it steps into the realm of entitlement your arguments are overlooked. If you dont think the expansion is worth $50 go ahead, voice away. If you think you are owed something because you played for 3 years I get get the kitten out and dont come back.

We don’t need to leave. We’re paying customers we get to be here forever….. If you can define entilenent without looking it up I’ll mail you 10g

Ive already given examples of it, ill be waiting for my 10g. But lets see, special treatment. Theres another word for it.

Wrong. Now look it up and stop using words you don’t understand, thank you

the belief that one is inherently deserving of privileges or special treatment.
“no wonder your kids have a sense of entitlement”

Wheres my 10g?

Ricky.4706:

again, I want to comprehend the op’s level of understanding in the word, ‘entitlement’

Jongi, do you believe a customer should not feel entitled to what they pay for ?

isn’t this like communism ? no one is entitled to anything beyond what everyone else gets ? since you are happy , i should be too ? everyone is equal, resistance is futile, we will be assimilated, don’t fight it, just say yes ?

Its special treatment because you think you deserve it. Like veterans saying “i played for 3 years I should get a free whatever”. That is the epitome of entitlement.

Aidenwolf.5964:

Jongi.7612:

Cambeleg.7632:

Jongi.7612:

Bla bla bla…

You think some people don’t have right to protest about something they’re agree with? If they consider the deal isn’t fair for them, they have the whole right to protest. Many people settled the reason why they’re not happy with the offer in forums, reddit and others.

Are you happy with the deal? Better for you.

But for the shake of…, don’t come to tell “ey, people, you’re wrong, you don’t have right to protest!”. Sorry, but as customers, these mad ‘vets’ have all the right to protest publicly.

And now, move on.

No you have a right to say what you dont like about it. But when it steps into the realm of entitlement your arguments are overlooked. If you dont think the expansion is worth $50 go ahead, voice away. If you think you are owed something because you played for 3 years I get get the kitten out and dont come back.

We don’t need to leave. We’re paying customers we get to be here forever….. If you can define entilenent without looking it up I’ll mail you 10g

Ive already given examples of it, ill be waiting for my 10g. But lets see, special treatment. Theres another word for it.

Astralporing.1957:

Jongi.7612:

Not if they already got their monies worth.

Yes, the money i paid 3 years ago. But you somehow think i should pay for it again. Why would i do that?

Your not… what do you not understand about that?

Cambeleg.7632:

Jongi.7612:

Bla bla bla…

You think some people don’t have right to protest about something they’re agree with? If they consider the deal isn’t fair for them, they have the whole right to protest. Many people settled the reason why they’re not happy with the offer in forums, reddit and others.

Are you happy with the deal? Better for you.

But for the shake of…, don’t come to tell “ey, people, you’re wrong, you don’t have right to protest!”. Sorry, but as customers, these mad ‘vets’ have all the right to protest publicly.

And now, move on.

No you have a right to say what you dont like about it. But when it steps into the realm of entitlement your arguments are overlooked. If you dont think the expansion is worth $50 go ahead, voice away. If you think you are owed something because you played for 3 years I get get the kitten out and dont come back.

RabbitUp.8294:

Jongi.7612:

No, not at all, your just paying for the expansion. If you have the core game already why should you get it again?

Because I’m buying a bundled product and paying full price.

The only way that you can say that is because they didnt give enough information that idiots cant understand.

Actually, they give just enough information for idiots to think they understand. The rest don’t fall for marketing tricks.

What marketing trick, they said “the expansion is $50”. If thats a marketing trick you must be skeptical of everything. And no, its not a bundled product, its HoT, if you dont have the core game they are going to give you that for purchasing the game.

Ricky.4706:

so a customer is not entitled to their moneys worth ? serious ? lol

forget about just the game, but is this the future leaders of the world speaking ? heh

Not if they already got their monies worth. If you played for 3 years and got free stuff why should you get even more?

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

Jongi.7612:

No, this is the argument given “ive been playing since launch i should get something since new players are getting the core game for free”.

No that is the argument you people keep shoving in our mouths.

Its the other way around. Ive seen it all over the forums of people saying that. Dont try to turn it around.

Swizzle.7982:

DresdenAllblack.1249:

I paid $150 for GW2. I paid $100 for HoT. All because I feel like I get more than my money’s worth. I’ve never looked at what the player next to me payed or what they recieved. But it looks like I am in the minority.

What would you like Anet to include in the veteran version?

A character slot.

Why? Your not owed anything… thats the thing.

Arahzor.1832:

Jongi.7612:

Gray.9041:

Jongi.7612:

Gray.9041:

the loss of the ‘free’ core game when you upgrade is a little unfair, but mostly it’s the fact that there’s so much Anet could’ve done to prevent this, even just little things, and they didn’t.

it’s not so much that we’re owed something, it’s more that the Anet want to keep customers, it’s better to treat them with at least a little respect, and it feels like they’re not right now.

No, this is the argument given “ive been playing since launch i should get something since new players are getting the core game for free”. That is entitlement and they dont owe you anything. You have gotten plenty for just logging in for the past 3 years.

Some of the Vets havent shown a shred of respect or even thought about what they are saying, they just want free stuff because im a vet.

Im on the side that you should never tell someone to leave if they dont like it because its bad for any type of business, but in this case, if you dont like that your not getting free stuff dont let the door hit you on the way out. The community would be SO much better.

I’m not asking for free stuff ‘cos I’m a vet.

I just want what everyone else is getting.

You are, your getting the expansion. You already have the core game.

I think you dont understand what is saying here.

A newcomer pays 45 euros for the standard edition, for free they get the core game that is included in that package.

A veteran pays also 45 euros and only get the expansion for the same amount of price but for less and not the core game.

That is the thing, no matter if you have 1-20 accounts, the core game is included in that package and right now we are not getting what we pay for because of that.

Currently it is if me and my friend would enter a fast food restaurant and i have a bottle of water with me from our walk.
We pick the same kind of dish and that includes a soda for free together with the food and is costing us totally 15 euros each.

But in this case it’s like the cashier tells me that i wont get the soda because i got a bottle of water with me. But i still got to pay the full price, i wont get a discount for it since they leave out something that SAYS is in the menu and they wont give me a soda since i got a bottle of water already

Hopefully this helps.

No, not at all, your just paying for the expansion. If you have the core game already why should you get it again? The only way that you can say that is because they didnt give enough information that idiots cant understand.

Aidenwolf.5964:

Jongi.7612:

Aidenwolf.5964:

I’m entitled to exactly what I paid for.
I’m entitled to equal value for my money.

By the way some veteran players like myself paid $150 for GW2 so we didn’t get anything for free.

You got nothing for free? So you just gave them $150 bucks for nothing, never played the game or anything? Thats your fault, I got plenty of free stuff. Its no ones fault but your own.

And you are getting what you paid for, the expansion. That is $50 with or without the core game attached.

Are you having a stroke? I received zero content for free as I paid for the game. I bought gems, I’ve supported the devs, what are you talking about?

Then you should of gotten stuff for free,. I paid 60 for the game and gave $40 for gems probably 4 times so thats $240 spent on the core game. Ive gotten so much for free that now others have to pay for, that they wouldnt have access to until another anniversary came out, a free skin and so on. $90 in gems is nothing compared to what others have paid out in terms of buying gems.

Manasa Devi.7958:

Entenkommando.5208:

Manasa Devi.7958:

Jongi.7612:

Veteran players have already gotten their fair share of free stuff, living story which if these new players want to experience they have to pay for, free level 20 boosts for being active during the anniversaries, free skins, free level 80’s if you didnt waste your tomes, and who knows what else was given out.

That was all covered by the initial game purchase.

Thinking back on all that goodness only makes the expansion look worse and worse.

But you don’t know how much of that kind you can expect within the next 3 years again.
So basically it will be impossible to evaluate HoT until the next addon where we can say “all the content they brought over time was well worth my money” or “the content density was quite disappointing for 50 bucks”
But you simply can’t know it yet. You can only know if you are personally sure that you will have enaugh fun for your money or not.

What I do know is that hardly any of the features announced so far interest me at all.

Then you dont have to get the expansion, no one is forcing you. You have the right to say its not worth it. Its fair, but when people start asking for free stuff because they dont understand what the information says.

Starlightpaw.5871:

Jongi.7612:

Aidenwolf.5964:

I’m entitled to exactly what I paid for.
I’m entitled to equal value for my money.

By the way some veteran players like myself paid $150 for GW2 so we didn’t get anything for free.

You got nothing for free? So you just gave them $150 bucks for nothing, never played the game or anything? Thats your fault, I got plenty of free stuff. Its no ones fault but your own.

And you are getting what you paid for, the expansion. That is $50 with or without the core game attached.

Reading comprehension is a nice skill to have, friend.

And how do you know that $50 is worth the expansion without the core game? What exactly is even in HoT?

Because I think its worth it, and if you dont know what is in HoT maybe you should do some research.

Gray.9041:

Jongi.7612:

Gray.9041:

the loss of the ‘free’ core game when you upgrade is a little unfair, but mostly it’s the fact that there’s so much Anet could’ve done to prevent this, even just little things, and they didn’t.

it’s not so much that we’re owed something, it’s more that the Anet want to keep customers, it’s better to treat them with at least a little respect, and it feels like they’re not right now.

No, this is the argument given “ive been playing since launch i should get something since new players are getting the core game for free”. That is entitlement and they dont owe you anything. You have gotten plenty for just logging in for the past 3 years.

Some of the Vets havent shown a shred of respect or even thought about what they are saying, they just want free stuff because im a vet.

Im on the side that you should never tell someone to leave if they dont like it because its bad for any type of business, but in this case, if you dont like that your not getting free stuff dont let the door hit you on the way out. The community would be SO much better.

I’m not asking for free stuff ‘cos I’m a vet.

I just want what everyone else is getting.

You are, your getting the expansion. You already have the core game.

RabbitUp.8294:

Jongi.7612:

No, this is the argument given “ive been playing since launch i should get something since new players are getting the core game for free”. That is entitlement and they dont owe you anything.

So, you admit that new players get something extra when both they and veterans buy the exact same product, at the same time frame and pay the same price.

Then, asking for equal value is entitlement?

You have gotten plenty for just logging in for the past 3 years.

That’s why I bought the game years ago, instead of waiting until today. This is all covered by that purchase, and is not related to the new product, Heart of Thorns.

Yes, but it isnt of the same value. Ive gotten probably 50 bucks worth of free stuff in those 3 years and I didnt play continuously. Do you think new players should also get the same thing now? No of course not, so what exactly are you complaining about?

Cactus Brawler.7415:

I’d like the extra copy of Guild Wars 2, that it says you get for buying HoT, except because I already gave them money in the past, I don’t get that copy, despite them saying I will on the store page.

Only if you dont already own it. Its pretty obvious.

MikeE.5947:

I’m a veteran player and I never said or thought I was entitled so don’t tar us all with the same brukittenhe ONLY reason I’m not buying it yet is because the basic “bundle” doesn’t include a char slot. Why should I have to delete one of my 11 level 80’s? It should come with at least ONE slot. Until it does I’m not going to buy it.

Will I cry or lose sleep about it? NO. It’s Arenanets loss.

Why not read my post because you think I gathered up all the Vet players together into one category. You just make yourself look stupid that way. I also adressed the character slot issue. If you want it, go get it for free, its not like you CANT but you dont want to put in the work for it.

Aidenwolf.5964:

I’m entitled to exactly what I paid for.
I’m entitled to equal value for my money.

By the way some veteran players like myself paid $150 for GW2 so we didn’t get anything for free.

You got nothing for free? So you just gave them $150 bucks for nothing, never played the game or anything? Thats your fault, I got plenty of free stuff. Its no ones fault but your own.

And you are getting what you paid for, the expansion. That is $50 with or without the core game attached.

Gray.9041:

the loss of the ‘free’ core game when you upgrade is a little unfair, but mostly it’s the fact that there’s so much Anet could’ve done to prevent this, even just little things, and they didn’t.

it’s not so much that we’re owed something, it’s more that the Anet want to keep customers, it’s better to treat them with at least a little respect, and it feels like they’re not right now.

No, this is the argument given “ive been playing since launch i should get something since new players are getting the core game for free”. That is entitlement and they dont owe you anything. You have gotten plenty for just logging in for the past 3 years.

Some of the Vets havent shown a shred of respect or even thought about what they are saying, they just want free stuff because im a vet.

Im on the side that you should never tell someone to leave if they dont like it because its bad for any type of business, but in this case, if you dont like that your not getting free stuff dont let the door hit you on the way out. The community would be SO much better.

Why exactly do some of the veteran players think ANet owes you anything? I see a lot of vet players understand that nothing is owed to them, but the vocal majority of vets here on the forums think something is owed to them.

The expansion is $50 bucks, end of story. If you dont already have GW2 and you buy HoT you get it for free. Its so that it brings in more players.

Veteran players have already gotten their fair share of free stuff, living story which if these new players want to experience they have to pay for, free level 20 boosts for being active during the anniversaries, free skins, free level 80’s if you didnt waste your tomes, and who knows what else was given out.

So what exactly are you guys complaining about? Its just like these spoiled kids that didnt get the car they wanted, or the 64gb iphone and rage at their parents. Its stupid and I hope ANet sticks to their guns.

The ONLY people that should be kittened off are the people who bought the core game recently and now have to dish out another 50 for the expansion in turn making the expansion more expensive. Give them a free skin, gems or something. Everyone else has gotten their monies worth from the game.

If you think you are owed something because you have been playing for 3 years and new players get the core game for free to increase the size of the community that is the exact definition of entitlement.

Anet doesnt owe any vet players a kittening thing. You got your monies worth and they want to bring in more players. Youve gotten your free skins, youve gotten your free level 20 characters multiple times, a free level 80 if you werent stupid. I have a level 80 whatever I want right now when HoT hits, youve gotten to see the living stories for free and the newcomers have to pay to see it.

Im a vet player, though I’ve been off and on i started about a month after release and I’ve gotten so much that these new players dont have access too. The only people who should be complaining is the people who bought GW2 a few months before HoT pre-orders were released. Those are the only people who got screwed over.

If you dont think the expansion is worth it at this point with the limited information, dont buy it. Some of you vets make it look like the playerbase just wants everything for free. “Wah I want a free character slot” “Wah I want a free skin for being a vet player”… shut the kitten up already.

You want a free character slot, go get some gold and convert that into gems and get one, you want a free skin, do the same thing.

They dont owe you anything, get it through you kittening skulls already.

You dont even need to open your wallet to get a character slot. You can do it all in game by getting gold and transferring the gold over to gems and getting a gasp free slot!

You can pretty much get everything for free if you want too, it will just take some time to do so. Play the game and get it, they dont have to just hand it over to you because you think you should get it.

If you guys dont think its worth it dont buy it. Its really that simple, they will see that their pre-order numbers arent that great and possibly adjust the price.

We have no clue right now what all is going to be in the expansion. The only people who should be mad about anything at all should be the people who bought the game recently and are now asked to pay another 50 for the expansion. Those who have been playing since the beginning really need to shut the kitten up saying “we want this or that because your giving away the core game for free and i have been playing since the beginning”.

That is the epitome of entitlement, thinking you should get something because you have been playing longer. No, just no. You got your monies worth from the core game, you got legendaries, you got your WvW in, you got your pvp in, you got your storyline, dungeon clears and everything else. People that recently purchased the core game then the pre-order released are the ONLY people who should be saying anything on the matter. If anything the expansion should be 40 bucks for them now or get 10 bucks of free gems, or a free skin from the gem store.

Dont pre-order if you dont think its worth it, its really that simple. Wallets show more than a bunch of people whining on the forums. I think its worth it, but thats my opinion, so i bought it.

So the complaint isnt about playing from the beginning, its about people who bought the game recently, where the core game is required… whoever thought it wasnt is an idiot, and then having to pay again for the expansion. Thats really the only argument anyone could bring forth.

People who have been playing since launch shouldnt say anything, you got your monies worth from the original game, if you dont think HoT is going to be worth it, dont pay for it.

All that people are hearing is this from your challenge… “Wah I paid for the game a few years ago, and now new players can buy the expansion and get the game for free.”

You really want them to pay the original price plus the expansion and thats not how you make money as a business.

Its just a loaded question to get the answer you want and not accurate to the actual situation.

I highly doubt that when you pick up the specialization which is the use of a greatsword, that you wont be using it. The specialization will probably force you into picking up the gs because why wouldnt you? Your choosing to specialize in using a greatsword but your just going to play the other weapons for a new ds? I dont think thats how the specializations are going to work.

As in a second weapon what has chill on them? The staff and the focus so youll probably be picking up the staff or I would say maybe axe focus or even dagger focus. Chill is going to do so much for the reaper that it might be bad to not pick up one of those weapons. It might be good to pick up something a little more tankish like dagger dagger, weakness more blinds a root and life transfer with a good auto attack since your probably not going to go full zerker gear so being in melee 100% will probably be a good way to play. Valk, cavalier or soldiers gear all might be good since youll have a pretty high crit chance just from chill and ds.

I can see a bunch of different builds being tried out with it though, signets, chill spread with epidemic depending on how well it can apply chill, maybe going spectral for melee defenses.

We really need more information, but i think i might go dagger dagger for my second weapon set and keeping consume conditions and blood is power for my utilities.

If the guy was suicidal why even let him on a plane? If they knew before hand then the airlines are at fault, if they didnt know and he got on the plane it was thought out and he was going to crash the plane taking others with him which is murder and can be seen as an act of terrorism.

I didnt even know about the plane crash to be honest i see no link between the plane “crash” and your character with its arms out making motor noises with aviator goggles on to go along with the release of the aviator mail carrier. If they had to put off releasing content they should make all of season 2 unavailable since it was black history month and season 2 showed that the sylvari are slaves to the dragon.

Might as well just not play games or be watch or be involved with any media if your going to be this demanding of an april fools joke that has nothing to do with what you think it does, go pout somewhere else and quit complaining about something so kitten minor.

ImTasty.2163:

Jongi.7612:

What exactly is a specialization? Thats what you have to ask first. When you specialize in something in battle, like a sword or hammer, why would you choose not to use it?

My guess is if you choose to use the profession specialization you will be locked with one weapon set being that weapon, why would anything else change exactly? If you choose to specialize with the necromancer most likely you will have to have a weapon as a greatsword just like if you specialize into the sword with elementalists you have to use swords, why would your F skills change? Thats 12 skills at the very least if you cant use a sword in the offhand not to mention traits and utility skills. What would you realistically change F skills to?

I think some people are thinking its going to be some radical change when most likely they are just going to be introducing new weapons with the specialization system. They probably arent going to change the core gameplay of the professions but build upon them with more choice.

Actually that’s incorrect. Colin has stated before the the profession mechanic will change as well. He stated the profession mechanic will perform differently or be replaced with something different. It will differ depending on specializations. Take the druid for example. We know we still have pets but we don’t know how they changed. Maybe you can channel nature spirits into your pet or something druid-y.

Until Colin comes through and says that profession mechanics will remain the same, we can say something will change.

So that doesnt mean the profession is changing. Lets look at the necromancer and its unique mechanic death shroud. With him saying “the mechanic will perform differently or be replaced with something different” could just mean that they are going to change the death shroud abilities which doesnt change the mechanics of the class. As an elementalist you have to think, what would they replace the F skills with? How would they change them? The only thing they could really do is change what those attunements would bring, like fire not bringing heavy damage and burning.

They will most likely keep the core mechanics the same and build upon that like I said earlier.

What exactly is a specialization? Thats what you have to ask first. When you specialize in something in battle, like a sword or hammer, why would you choose not to use it?

My guess is if you choose to use the profession specialization you will be locked with one weapon set being that weapon, why would anything else change exactly? If you choose to specialize with the necromancer most likely you will have to have a weapon as a greatsword just like if you specialize into the sword with elementalists you have to use swords, why would your F skills change? Thats 12 skills at the very least if you cant use a sword in the offhand not to mention traits and utility skills. What would you realistically change F skills to?

I think some people are thinking its going to be some radical change when most likely they are just going to be introducing new weapons with the specialization system. They probably arent going to change the core gameplay of the professions but build upon them with more choice.

Why does everyone have the urge to put everything onto the weapon.

The AA chain that everyone has seen is most likely going to be our AA.
We will most likely have some form of channeled skill.
Some form of cc and I hope it isnt a fear since we have so much coming out of our ears.

What I would like to see is a unique self buff which would make our attacks ranged for a small amount of time like the Slayers in Tera or the Harbinger in Rift. Do we really have to go down the same road as the other greatswords aside from mesmer in terms of having some gap closer? If I wanted to play that way I would just play my guardian.

There is one ability that is up in the air, we have enough wells, blindness, damage and vuln, conditions to boons, boons to conditions but if we had one that pulsed might I wouldnt mind seeing that or even a knockback.

They arent taking away weapons to bring in new ones. Also necro has more than enough access to ranged weapons that the only thing really needed is a melee cleave with some movement, group utility can be gained through some skills on the gs along with utility skills and traits.

With the greatsword for necro it will most likely be melee, Marjory will be the one teaching us how to use it and she was taught by Rox. The specialization will most likely mean that you have to use that weapon in a slot, thats it.

If marks could be triggered by bosses like the fire elemental, or any world boss like that then I wouldnt mind seeing it on the greatsword, but currently all I use the staff for is trash on things like claw or when im getting in range to use the axe and then I only use the AA.

Now for things that might be cool on the greatsword, ability to use on fleeing enemies or a sell buff that make your attacks be ranged, like the slayer in Tera. It would have some uses and it would be something unique. Its something that they could do if they dont want the necromancer to be really mobile. We have enough fear so another utility would be good.

I doubt its going to be blood draining or life draining since the dagger already kind of fills that role and just needs to be fully put into that category.

I think its most likely going to be something in terms of movement and cleave damage. We are already able to summon pets, we are already able to debuff and if you wanted to make a support debuff role you can.

Necromancers are lacking in the movement department so a sword MH or greatsword is what is probably going to happen. What its going to be called is anyones guess though.

Heres my necro

Helm: Necro Wraith Masque (starter necro mask)
Shoulders: Sorcerer’s Epaulets (T3 human shoulders)
Chest: Aristocrat’s Coat (T2 human chest)
Gloves: Embroidered Wristguards (crafted gloves)
Pants: Masquerade Leggings (crafted legs)
Shoes: Aurora Shoes (orr temple karma shoes)

You know, theres a reason why WoW did away with 40 man raiding and why Rift world content is 100 times better than gw2. 40 people is really hard to organize and trying to get more than that on a fight follow directions is like trying to run through a brick wall, its just not going to happen. In rift you can just join a world group, it explains what has to be done and where the events are taking place, and some would say “thats too easy” yeah but its world content and there is actually raids that you can do for a challenge.

Also the commander icon doesnt mean anything to me. It doesnt show skill, leadership, knowledge or anything else that people would think it would. All it really means is that you had 100g and now you can make a group larger than 5 and thats it. There is a reason why guilds go to overflow servers for these fights, its basically to have their own instance for the fight and they dont have to worry about others for the most part. No world content should be listed as “high end gameplay” when there are so many other variables that you just have no control over. If in a raid someone is screwing it up you can kick them out and get someone else, in world content you cant. You guys should know what your getting into when you do world content but you guys just rage and its Arena Nets fault for allowing these things to happen by not having some sort of instanced content. They would have to bring out raids of some sort to stop all these “why wont people listen?!” “why is these new bosses so hard?!” threads that happen at every single world boss revamp.