Guild Wars 2

Fed.8594:

It’s funny that HoD complained about ET and SBI ganging up on them, when it was obviously a valid strat and the whole point of 3 way warfare to take out the top dog.

And now no more complaints about that, and instead just defending their point accumulation through night time PVE. Obviously WvW is 24 hour and so Hod’s strat is also valid…. but overall, i do feel that PVE points cheapen WvW as a whole.

I wonder how many weeks Hod’s night crew will keep winning before other servers just stop playing or more players transfer over. I don’t see nigh wins as being very sustainable… folks say that night crew servers will get match with each other, but what if there’s only one server with the majority of the NA night population? Doesn’t sound like fun times.

ganging up on the top dog is a valid tactic. the reason it exists is so when a server is in a dominant position like we are right now and controlling all your servers stuff. it’s to give the weaker servers a fighting chance so they can get back in the game.

it’s not exactly there so two servers can gang up on one to spawn camp them out of wvw. granted no two servers even can pull that off on us, even when we get ganged up on we still hold our ground. we kept up our score over the weekend, we were only behind 1st by about 30k points. that’s not a huge lead and meant we still held about 25% of the objectives for the weekend.

It was surprising though, i expected this weeks match to be closer, especially from the weekend showing, but come the weekdays it’s like the other two gave up.

I expect SBI to pull together and get at least their stuff back, ET I don’t know what to expect.

but you guys can do it! team up! fight back! the week isn’t over yet! even if you don’t win, don’t let us win by such a large margin.

silvermember.8941:

Uruu.3468:

i find it really weird for non hod players to complain about hod queque times, anyone?

i have been getting intant queque from 1 am up to now still in wvw on hod (and have been for more than a week), during prime time its about 1~2 hour queque time, its not bad at all actually.

whats the point of that graph comparision of wvw queque times of hod vs kaineng? they arent in the same ranking or put in the same wvw bracket, most of the top servers are always full or at high pop throughout the entire day (not just peak time). Simply looking at wvw queque time is not good enough, what you should look at is server population vs wvw queque on said servers.

Server population is not actually a problem, its the organization of the ppl that are actually online to cover a 24/7 war that is. Thats not an imbalance. -.-

You are getting instant queue in hod at 1 am. Anybody can get instant queue on any server at 1 am except during the weekends. The difference is that HOD still has a lot more players in WvW even if the queue is not met.

it actually wasn’t even possible until this past week, which saw a lot of new game releases fyi.

up until the past 7 days you could not get an instant queue for any map at any time of the day. it didnt matter if it was 6am central us time.

heck for the first couple weeks the queues were over 5 hours during primetime. and it only ever went down to about 3 hours during offpeak hours, even at 4am.

honestly Titan has it pretty bad. they are pvpers, they came into this game to wvw, thats what they love to do and that was their mission. and they teamed up, knowing no one could do it alone and planned for it well before release. it really sucks for them that they arent even able to play the part of the game they signed up for a lot of the time, and its nigh impossible to even get their people in especially during peak hours.

Transferring has been an option of course, but they put a lot of work and effort getting this server to number 1, why go to a less populated server so they can break that match up and succeeding ones until they get back to the top?

That’s not even mentioning the fact that massive hordes of people will still follow them wherever they go because of their reputation now. they could transfer to kaineng and within 7 days they would be having the exact same problem they are having now.

they dont really have options atm other than ride this out, wait for the populations to settle down, and they will. the game is new and its still getting the extremely high concurrency rates expected. but it will die down. the only other option would be for them to just break up.

it’s a current optimization thing to keep computers from being completely cpu bound.

the issue before they added this optimization in was people with great systems couldn’t even get more than a few fps because of all the people and stuff going on.

so things like projectiles and players and such, only the ones that are most important to you are displayed, like a fireball shot at one guy may not even appear for you and you will only see the ones coming at you, same for players.

extra bodies are always useful and siege weapons don’t care what level you are, neither does running supplies.

but i do always feel pretty useless on my lowbie characters.

Arasuki.6094:

kinda sucks for me in SBI living in australia. henge controls 85% of the map. and since number 1 is always green. im basically screwed.

It really sucks they did the color scheme that way. It should be randomized imo. i mean EB has so many great and different sections for each color it sucks i havent been able to see the red or blue parts of it since beta.

well except for this morning.

You can transfer around to get them. otherwise just keep hoping next rematch you get to be a different color.

Rommel.1905:

thats not how it works in reality. the winning factions players get bored less easily than the losing factions players. this trend continues for a very long time…. i played aion for a year and yes, while the elyos players got bored and left, new players came and stayed for longer than asmos got new players that stayed active for short times.

if HoD does not lose this match, and wins the next match while being fully 2 v 1ed….. you will see this start to happen. some HoD players will get bored…. but it doesnt matter because the queue is large enough. all other top factions will start throwing the match when they play HoD.

i STILL dont understand why HoD isnt locked out at FULL….. and cant transfer to it. there should in the very least be a sliding scale transfer cost, want to transfer to the top server? sure, but PAY lots of money. whatever is done, HoD is obviously full of WvW players and could probably field a full WvW team with half its current players. why allow transfers there?

transfers should have been locked within a week or 2 of launch. 1-2 more matches of HoD victory and the problem will be completely irreversible without massive changes.

this bandwagon effect ruined aion (in addition to other problems with aion) however gw2 promises to have a 2 v 1 balancing effect to prevent uber factions like aion…. but wait! HoD can handle it and even plainly dominate during the week.

there is one solution players can reasonably do. TA, when anet announces the end of free transfers you should transfer to a medium pop server (not ET). dont announce youre going to do it, and complete it an hour before so that people wont know to follow you. DO IT for the good of the game. and why not? youve beaten a 2 v1, what else is there to do?

it is full, the thing is people do transfer off and then that spot gets opened, that’s why people can still transfer here.

It took my friend who recently got the game days to get in because it was always full.

though ideally the alliances are so the losing servers can fight their way back in the game if one server is completely dominating.

not just teaming up to hold one server down.

at this point, sbi and et should be teaming up and working together against us.

Rommel.1905:

Derek.9254:

as more people buy gw2 HoD’s GROWTH WILL STOP because the server is full and the OTHER SERVERS WILL FILL UP.

HoD has the most massive queue times and is NOT FULL. transfers are STILL FREE.

but yes, it would be brilliant if what you described was actually happening.

news to me, my friend just got the game a week ago and it took him several days before he could even join me on my server because the server was always full, and he was checking every day morning noon and night.

Zimba.6192:

Keldrath.4735:

I know JQ and ET hate HoD.

idk how many others actually hate us.

You mad bro?

Im loving this match There’s always people to fight, stuff to take and a enemy that dont give up, loving it

Am I mad?

Nope. I just know, from doing way too much reading on these topics, that ET hates us, and JQ hates us.

For ET it’s mostly your guild that hates us that I am aware of. But you’ve got a good attitude and seem like a cool dude to me.

As far as other servers go, I don’t think the lower brackets even care, other than we are that mythical undefeated one at the top and it’s completely irrelevant to them. SBI and HoD have some pretty good mutual respect going on, which fosters fun matches rather than grudge matches no hard feelings between us and all.

Oh right, this parts not at you im just throwing this in as well rather than make a new post.

Queue times haven’t been as bad as they were on HoD 10 days ago. Citing that old queue chart as evidence of 24/7 coverage in all maps doesn’t really work as people have been playing less and less since then. every day the queues have gotten shorter, and in the past week they have gotten down to the point where there are multiple periods during the day and especially at night and off peak hours where there is no queue for most of the maps.

Typically now its just a VERY short queue for one of the borderlands, the other two instant. during offpeak. During peak hours the queues go up a bit.

EB is the only wvw map that consistently has high queue times during all hours of the day, there have only been a couple instances lately where i’ve gotten into it with no queue.

I just want to point this out to dispel the rumor that we have complete coverage and terribly long queues at all times, it’s not true anymore.

I know JQ and ET hate HoD.

idk how many others actually hate us.

Grim West.3194:

Keldrath.4735:

Grim West.3194:

Nick.3926:

Its prime time right now…. I guess our lack of presence during prime time means we should be getting stomped right…
HoD 390
SBI 190
ET 115

It’s not even worth it. You guys have upgraded a lot of the stuff you took during the night AND you took all 3 orbs. Did you honestly expect after creating a huge advantage during your night caps that we’d be able to come back and stomp you? If you did you’re not too bright.

Exactly. Most mmo players are pretty savvy, especially pvp players. They know pretty quickly when a game’s basic system is flawed and pointless. Most players have better things to do than to be fighting HoD’s nite cap zerg.

When the server matches reset on friday then there will be alot of action again. But after sunday night you can pretty much bet that any server’s players matched against HoD will be doing other things.

I enjoyed playing HoD over the weekend, but I hope we never match up against them again. What a pointless waste of the week. My dream match would be SBI, ET and JQ. HoD is just a waste of time. Especially since they are only winning because of a population imbalance. Nobody enjoys that.

I can predict how that match up would go.

JQ and ET would ally against SBI, SBI would hold its own but would still be far down in points. In the end SBI would end up 3’rd place after fending off constant zergs from both servers the entire week and never getting to move out.

ET obviously wouldn’t let JQ get first, but they would let them take second place. JQ would then chest thump constantly about how much better than SBI they are.

I can see it now.

You do know that ET and SBI didn’t ally against HoD right? Sure there was a target on your back but that was to be expected. But there was never an agreement between SBI and ET.

In hindsight I wish we had formed and alliance. It’s a viable strategy for the future. That might have put you too far behind to catch up even with your night cap zerg. Probably not though.

I know the entire server itself wasn’t in on it, but it did happen. It has been admitted multiple times and verified by both servers, despite some claiming it didn’t happen. There are streams of it happening with the Teamspeak even on so you could even hear them saying not to attack each other. There was verbal and in game abuse of players who would not fall in line.

I don’t have a problem with it personally, i think it’s fine, tougher fight for us, good battles, we had to work hard to keep up, and we never gave up and got spawn camped with nothing on the map.

The reason I brought it up is because JQ has a vendetta against SBI, whom they think they are so much better than, when they can’t even hold a candle to SBI, and they also have a history of legitimately allying with ET. They did it vs henge in the 24hr matchups. And still lost I might add. I don’t doubt they would pull it again in a SBI vs ET vs JQ match just so they could go on even more about how much better they are than SBI.

PS: Eclipses is completely right and knows what’s up, people should listen to him.

Nick.3926:

Nope and that was the plan, it was calculated.

Oh yes, calculated. You try to make it sound like some complex plan when in reality it’s just numbers.
That’s why it’s no fun and not worth it. No matter how well we do, not matter how much money we sink into WvW during our prime time, it’s all for naught. Because of your great calculated plan of… population imbalance.

Then we took advantage of your weak night game during the weekdays, believe it or not you do have people that play at night, they just aren’t as good.

Not as good? Maybe. Not as numerous? Definitely.

Exactly. Most mmo players are pretty savvy, especially pvp players. They know pretty quickly when a game’s basic system is flawed and pointless. Most players have better things to do than to be fighting HoD’s nite cap zerg.

Yeah, the most we can hope for is some karma and some badges. It’s not worth it to sink any money into WvW when you know you are going to lose almost everything during the night.

So you don’t want to sink money into them when you are just going to lose them during the night. You do realize HoD guilds have been sinking tons of money into WvW knowing they can’t hold everything at all times and a lot of it is going to get taken back.

That’s your fault then for making it easy for us to take. And it’s not even true in SBI’s case specifically, they upgrade their stuff maybe just as well as we upgrade our stuff.

Mulitplex.2017:

Keldrath.4735:

Ald.9418:

Astonishes me how some people cannot see how having all the Oceanic players crammed on 1 or 2 NA servers is absolutely terrible big picture wise.

If people can’t see this is hurting WvW and GW2’s longevity, then i don’t know what to tell you.

Yes because there are only like 500 oceanics playing the game on NA servers.

Ya know?

Where did you make up that number from?

I got the number from his logic.

Nubz Unite.5694:

Keldrath.4735:

Hmm… let’s see, as I type this…

+370 HoD
+220 SBI
+105 ET

It’s 8:30pm CDT. this is NA Primetime.

So where did your primetimers go? by the logic people have been spewing out we should be getting dominated right now.

Don’t Worry guys I got this well u see keldrath “QQ blah blah QQ Hod OP QQ nightcrew” that should be the standard reply coming in keldrath thought i would save them their time.

Sounds about right.

Honestly I kind of feel bad for the other servers, it’s giving them a really bad rep and I know there are a lot of great players on each of their servers. But one rotten apple spoils the whole bunch and all that.

Grim West.3194:

Nick.3926:

Its prime time right now…. I guess our lack of presence during prime time means we should be getting stomped right…
HoD 390
SBI 190
ET 115

It’s not even worth it. You guys have upgraded a lot of the stuff you took during the night AND you took all 3 orbs. Did you honestly expect after creating a huge advantage during your night caps that we’d be able to come back and stomp you? If you did you’re not too bright.

Exactly. Most mmo players are pretty savvy, especially pvp players. They know pretty quickly when a game’s basic system is flawed and pointless. Most players have better things to do than to be fighting HoD’s nite cap zerg.

When the server matches reset on friday then there will be alot of action again. But after sunday night you can pretty much bet that any server’s players matched against HoD will be doing other things.

I enjoyed playing HoD over the weekend, but I hope we never match up against them again. What a pointless waste of the week. My dream match would be SBI, ET and JQ. HoD is just a waste of time. Especially since they are only winning because of a population imbalance. Nobody enjoys that.

I can predict how that match up would go.

JQ and ET would ally against SBI, SBI would hold its own but would still be far down in points. In the end SBI would end up 3’rd place after fending off constant zergs from both servers the entire week and never getting to move out.

ET obviously wouldn’t let JQ get first, but they would let them take second place. JQ would then chest thump constantly about how much better than SBI they are.

I can see it now.

Hmm… let’s see, as I type this…

+370 HoD
+220 SBI
+105 ET

It’s 8:30pm CDT. this is NA Primetime.

So where did your primetimers go? by the logic people have been spewing out we should be getting dominated right now.

Ald.9418:

Astonishes me how some people cannot see how having all the Oceanic players crammed on 1 or 2 NA servers is absolutely terrible big picture wise.

If people can’t see this is hurting WvW and GW2’s longevity, then i don’t know what to tell you.

Yes because there are only like 500 oceanics playing the game on NA servers.

Ya know?

The claim that it can’t be countered is false, first people should be watching out for mesmers trying to run in. second, if the mesemr is invisible they can’t be invisible forever, you should still get a chance to see them before they do so. third, you can see the portal, aoe the hell out of it the moment you see it until it is gone.

No one said it would/should be easy. but the claim that it can’t be countered is demonstrably false.

Redundancy.7325:

Keldrath.4735:

One thing I just need to add, in case someone else gets it and changes their mindset for the better is…

This whole attitude I am seeing is the attitude of a failure. People are always too full of themselves and their own ego’s to the point they will defend it to their own detriment. Stop blaming everything else. Stop blaming your teammates, stop blaming your server, stop blaming THE GAME ITSELF. That is a recipe for failure right there.

You need to change your mindset if you want to improve.

So basically what you’re saying is that next week SBI + JQ need to actually form an official alliance and coordinate to ensure HoD has absolutely zero map presence during primetime and weekends.

Correct?

I knew the message would be lost to some.

I mean after all, people still to this day complain about “rushers” in RTS games. Like they should be untouchable for the first 10 minutes of the match and their opponent is cheating.

Fury.6248:

haderach.2410:

Well then you’re a little mistaken about that being off peak. Two days ago was Sunday which is not off peak.

He’s just full of it bro. He is just a baddie who brought up some old pic with slapped it on a forum with a lie to try and prove a point. Which backfired. HoD is just like every other server with nothing special about it at all. Bottom line server play times currently win matches and yours has the highest population Monday-Thursday at 10pm-7am. You think your so pro 664(166 per map) Monkeys could take the map during those days/time periods.

This idea that “When I’m not on no one else is either.” is just stupid.

One thing I just need to add, in case someone else gets it and changes their mindset for the better is…

This whole attitude I am seeing is the attitude of a failure. People are always too full of themselves and their own ego’s to the point they will defend it to their own detriment. Stop blaming everything else. Stop blaming your teammates, stop blaming your server, stop blaming THE GAME ITSELF. That is a recipe for failure right there.

You need to change your mindset if you want to improve.

geldedgoat.5928:

I had no idea atheism accepted the belief in magic, ghosts, spirits, and other supernatural phenomena.

It most certainly can actually. The only thing atheism deals with is the god question. You can believe in all sorts of crazy supernatural stuff, but if no gods are included among them, you are by definition an atheist. That’s one of the reason why many buddhists are atheist, despite their supernatural beliefs.

That’s one of the biggest problems with the label itself, it tells you absolutely nothing about what a person believes in, it only tells you about 1 thing they do not believe in.

insignia.3625:

Fury.6248:

Keldrath.4735:

Fury.6248:

HoD got stomped while everyone was online over the weekend. Now that the adults are back to working they are making points back. Sounds like you have a lot of children/nighttime crew or jobless people on HoD. Friday – Sunday is the real match everything else is just for the teenagers and jobless to catch up. Either way not really something to be proud of. Considering that WvW is not a show of skill and individually most players are terrible.

you know how easy it would be for me to replace your “adults” with “children” and “working” with “school”

But I won’t because it’s stupid, but maybe pointing it out will show you how stupid it sounds when you say it.

It was a nice way of putting it without calling the monday-thursday crew no lifers

i think theres another description for that…. non-americans, maybe?

It also carries a lot of assumptions such as that there is only 1 shift for work during the day. people work all different shifts, 1st shift, 2nd shift, third shift. Honestly when it comes down to it, the adults are the ones that are more able to play at off hours, because they have more diversity in when they work as opposed to children who are in school. So it’s not even just non-americans either.

It’s just ignorant on many different levels. Didn’t even bring up the fact that the maps have player caps so even when “prime time” is on, not all of them can get in anyways.

Fury.6248:

HoD got stomped while everyone was online over the weekend. Now that the adults are back to working they are making points back. Sounds like you have a lot of children/nighttime crew or jobless people on HoD. Friday – Sunday is the real match everything else is just for the teenagers and jobless to catch up. Either way not really something to be proud of. Considering that WvW is not a show of skill and individually most players are terrible.

you know how easy it would be for me to replace your “adults” with “children” and “working” with “school”

But I won’t because it’s stupid, but maybe pointing it out will show you how stupid it sounds when you say it.

Leiloni.7951:

Keldrath.4735:

In spvp and de’s you dont get loot for every kill either.

Heck in spvp you don’t get any loot for kills.

But the biggest difference is how much easier it is to loot your kills in de’s than it is in wvw.

No in sPvP you get points and glory attributed to your character for various actions taken in the match and in DE’s you get gold and karma. Both are currency just like badges are currency, but they go right into your bag (one issue) and they are rewarded more constantly and properly for what you did than badges are in WvW.

Right now badges get rewarded in a seemingly random way, it’s hard to figure out what earns you a badge and if that action will earn you a badge every single time you do it. It’s inconsistent and not even spread out properly among various actions you can take in WvW (like killing people). And the fact that it doesn’t automatically go into your inventory is also an issue, albeit a separate one. I just want to be properly rewarded for playing, that’s all.

Sorry, I didn’t realize you were talking about the currency and not the loot. in that case I completely agree.

I struggled a bit at first but honestly I watched this episode: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=VkQaJLGs1HY

specifically the elementalist roundtable section, which you can find a timestamp of in the description.

The big things I pulled from it that helped me go from feeling like leveling was a chore and the class was weak, to, wow this class is really fun and I don’t feel weak at all, I feel really STRONG and able to solo many monsters that I wouldn’t have dreamed of before with the class was mainly, attunement swapping.

first off, I use the staff, scepter feels like total garbage to me and I will not use it, and dagger/dagger is fun and all but I feel really strong with the staff.

The thing with attunement swapping for me that made all the difference in the world was, I stopped just using my skills and auto attacking and only switching if i wanted something specific for whatever reason. I changed that to, i will cast off my fire stuff, swap to earth, cast off my earth stuff, and go back and forth between the two. Often I will swap to air as well throw down a stun, if im hurt swap to water drop a geyser and an ice spike, swap right back into fire and start launching those abilities, then back to earth etc.

Longer fights it makes a huge difference and makes everything so much better. it feels like a really strong class. For really short fights i can often times just sit in fire and after i cast everything… it’s dead. but usually its a combo from fire to earth.

That’s what made the difference for me.

Sky.9347:

Keldrath.4735:

Nick.3926:

Servers that play against HoD will eventually stop investing time and money into WvW if the nightcapping continues. There is no point to invest so much when it’ll be taken away when everyone is sleeping or working.

They need to do something about HoD, period.
As it stands they are in a league of their own due to night capping while #2, #3 and #4 are fairly balanced and then everyone else is way below them.

What will happen is #2 and #3 will always lose to HoD and #4 will always win vs #5 and #6 which willr esult in #4 moving up every week to lose to HoD only to have a new server fall back down to #4 to dominate #5 and #6. Week after week after week.

That assumes things will remain static and they wont. SBI is getting better all the time, they are a good server and I and many on my server respect their ability in WvW. They can certainly play at a similar level to HoD. Their coordination and siege tactics are almost at the same level, at the very least its on a higher level than the other 2-4 servers. ET also has a ton of potential as well, if AA was going at it harder i’m sure they could compete for first place easily as well, I know they have a ton of very good players and they are very good at siege, though the rest of their server, idk so much. But they know as well as I do they can’t do it all by themselves, just like titan can’t do it all by themselves.

HoD is ahead of the rest still, but the other servers in the top 3 are closing the gap pretty quickly. I know one thing that helps a lot on my server is the chat, there is a lot of communication going on and things not related t the battle are practically non existant. people call things out, respond quickly, and often the titan players will relay messages to the rest of us, telling the “militia” where they are needed etc. There is a lot of coordination and teamwork going on. That is something I think anyone who wants to compete for #1 is going to need to have.

You’ve never played on any server but HoD, right?

You still seem to think that it’s just HoDs ability to communicate and organize. You aren’t seeing what is right in front of you.

Friday, Saturday, Sunday – very close, exciting match.
Monday, Tuesday – everything has been capped by HoD, and they will soon take #1 in points.

So you think that obviously, it’s because HoD has superior tactics and these other servers just aren’t on your level yet.

Open your eyes, buddy. HoD has excellent communication, organization, and strategy… but SO does SBI and ET. What HoD has that SBI and ET don’t have is 24/7 W3 participation.

That is right, I have never played on any server but henge. I played on Darkhaven in the beta, but since headstart release night I have been on Henge and never moved.

The weekend is an interesting topic and I can speak a little bit about it and what I observed. First the other two servers went at it hard, and we struggled to hold them off from their constant attacks on us, and little on each other the entire time. we went into 3rd place in points sure, but we hung in there and didn’t get “trounced”. Despite having for a lot of the time the other servers focusing virtually solely on us, because of the threat we pose. So what you have is 1 server that’s stuck only defending, us and 2 servers who rarely had to defend and were on the offensive virtually the entire time. You should be able to see how that would afect the score, if we are on defense the entire time then it’s hard to get higher points, because you need to actually have offensive in order to gain points, in our case we were holding what we had and losing/regaining things we had, all while having no orbs. which gave the other servers, who had them, sbi holding 2 and et holding 1, an advantage over us, because not only are they good competition without the orbs, it makes them even tougher to kill when they have those boosts.

Now to the weekdays, well MoP released last night, I’m sure a lot of the pug players of the game and heck maybe even a lot of the hardcore wvw crowd in the big guilds left the game to play that for a while. I’m sure we lost a ton of pugs to it as well. Also there is the fact that it’s the work/school week. many players on all of the servers are going to have less active periods for a lot of hours of the day simply because of this. Are we facing no opposition at night? not even close. But we are beating their night teams, which are NOT non existant, heck just last night i was in the battle for SBI’s orb in HoD Borderlands It took quite a long time and a lot of work, their defenders were tenacious but we overcame it eventually with a lot of great tactics. It was not a simple walkover.

Think that’s enough for this post, maybe I will say more if you reply.

Leiloni.7951:

Dovgan.8605:

I couldn’t disagree more. When a group of 6 people gets swarmed by an enemy of more than triple their number, and you don’t get honor, good, you don’t deserve it. And this would promote not discourage mass zergs.

So people in sPvP and DE’s and dungeons always get properly rewarded for the work they put in, but in WvW we don’t get rewarded all the time and you want to nerf it even more? If you only have 6 people defending something and the enemy is that much more prepared than you, they deserve to win and get rewarded for it. If you can’t get your team organized, that’s not the enemy’s fault.

And what about classes that specialise in bigger battles like an Ele? We’re not built for small fights – we’re squishy and with Staff offering such good support and AoE WvW is one of the few places we can really shine. You want to nerf that? Man if you don’t like the way WvW works, you can go do sPvP. Winning in WvW is about the overall strategy and organization but you are always going to have big battles, it’s the nature of the game. Many people enjoy it.

In spvp and de’s you dont get loot for every kill either.

Heck in spvp you don’t get any loot for kills.

But the biggest difference is how much easier it is to loot your kills in de’s than it is in wvw.

Nick.3926:

Servers that play against HoD will eventually stop investing time and money into WvW if the nightcapping continues. There is no point to invest so much when it’ll be taken away when everyone is sleeping or working.

They need to do something about HoD, period.
As it stands they are in a league of their own due to night capping while #2, #3 and #4 are fairly balanced and then everyone else is way below them.

What will happen is #2 and #3 will always lose to HoD and #4 will always win vs #5 and #6 which willr esult in #4 moving up every week to lose to HoD only to have a new server fall back down to #4 to dominate #5 and #6. Week after week after week.

That assumes things will remain static and they wont. SBI is getting better all the time, they are a good server and I and many on my server respect their ability in WvW. They can certainly play at a similar level to HoD. Their coordination and siege tactics are almost at the same level, at the very least its on a higher level than the other 2-4 servers. ET also has a ton of potential as well, if AA was going at it harder i’m sure they could compete for first place easily as well, I know they have a ton of very good players and they are very good at siege, though the rest of their server, idk so much. But they know as well as I do they can’t do it all by themselves, just like titan can’t do it all by themselves.

HoD is ahead of the rest still, but the other servers in the top 3 are closing the gap pretty quickly. I know one thing that helps a lot on my server is the chat, there is a lot of communication going on and things not related t the battle are practically non existant. people call things out, respond quickly, and often the titan players will relay messages to the rest of us, telling the “militia” where they are needed etc. There is a lot of coordination and teamwork going on. That is something I think anyone who wants to compete for #1 is going to need to have.

i just wish that badges when they do drop would just be added to your inventory automatically. I can live without always getting the random loot, but it sucks knowing there are bags rotting on the field with badges in them because im too busy pushing or paying attention to playing well because i can’t loot every single bag because they dont always happen in safe spots to loot them and the range is sooooo tiny to pick them up, etc.

I tried to put three asterisks to represent the orbs but only 1 goes through if you put 3 in a row i guess. but i wanted that to be reflected to give as much info as i could.

I would edit it, but the forum seems to break sometimes and only allow the permalink button.

Now it lets me edit after i post this, strange so ill just say in here that blue has also since posting taken 1 keep from hod and towers changed a bit like now et has 6 and sbi has 4 while hod still has 4.

I cant say how they were taken because they fluctuated a lot. it looked like red took from blue then green took one from red and red took a different one from green i think. and red just got a second tower took one from hod so yeah its changing a lot really quickly.

Daedalus.3954:

Can those of us at work get a Score/Potential Points update?

sure its

SBI: 124,078
HoD: 115,904 (3 orbs)
ET: 97,645

HoD: 11 camps, 14 Towers, 10 Keeps, 1 castle, +475
SBI: 7 camps, 5 towers, 1 keep, +110
ET: 7 camps, 5 towers, 1 keep, +110

caps and score are changing as i type it so it’s slightly off on like the camps numbers, because one changed as i typed and i didn’t reflect it because when i do it changes again and id never get it posted.

I don’t get all of this “henge has no skill because they just attack doors all night” argument. I play at Primetime and I also play during the night a lot of the time as well. At night it is never just “player vs door” You just act like these servers have no presence at night. Well sorry, they very much do. Maybe not to the same extent as during primetime, where they can defend and attack simultaneously pretty easily, but it’s never a case of “player vs door” We fight for all of the keeps and towers we take, we just are able to take them and hold them at night much easier because we aren’t on the defensive the entire time. They have just as many players defending their stuff at night as they do during the day. they just aren’t attacking us at the same time as easily, and we can hold both defense and offense at night. They take stuff at night as well, the bigger difference is we are better than both servers at defending what we take. It’s something SBI is very good at as well. but when they atack at night they overextend a bit and we just take whatever we are attacking, then take back the place we lost and defend them both. because once we take a place, we don’t give it up very easily.

You sound like someone who should just learn to play for fun and stop caring about the score so much. Your ideas are bad, region locking is bad. It’s not fair to the players.

Saul.3905:

uhuh. Nice. Let me show you ours. Hopefully we meet on the next match

http://i.imgur.com/a79la.jpg

Sorry, you aren’t a T1 server. ET is leagues ahead of you guys.

You are just going to have to be happy with 4th place. or work on upgrading and defending your stuff and sieging properly. Zerging around all day might work in the t2 bracket.

ET has actually done better this match up than JQ did last match up. Just saying.

Thats kinda old man, cause like, we took our orb back from sbi :P

theism and atheism are opposites. you are either one or the other. either you believe, or you do not believe. they do not believe.

antitheism is different it’s about being against religion. they fit into both categories. not only do they not believe in gods, they are opposed to the idea and what it represents as well, and actively fight against it.

Drakewurrum explained all of it very clearly. Like he said, they know the human “gods” exist. But knowing they exist and acknowledging that they actually are gods is a separate issue. they do not believe them to actually be gods. Unless you can point out a god that they believe in, then they remain atheists, and also antitheists. not one or the other.

it might not be true, there was certainly a truce for at least 7 hours a couple days ago, sometimes it seems like it’s gone back on. i dont doubt some guilds and commanders are still trying it, but i do think more highly of sbi in general and don’t think most of them fall in line with it.

The way I really see it is we’ve got SBI adn HoD playing to win, and ET playing to take HoD down, rather than win, so it’s an interesting dynamic.

I don’t really care much but I find it strange that they would do that, when they wouldn’t last week.

ET seems to have some sweet talkers there able to get anyone to team up with them, first JQ, now SBI…

Because it lets pugs like me know where people are so i can go help.

Running around by yourself looking for something to do doesn’t help much.

Tea Eye Ay.6248:

DrakeWurrum.6049:

They don’t even view the human gods as actually being gods.

What do they view them as then? Surely they must respect their power, though they do not worship it. Take Kormir for example: any mortal who rises to such power is deserving of respect. The Charr know they can’t rely on these powerful people, whatever you call them, but that doesn’t mean they hate them, right? I’m wondering if you know the Charr’s feelings toward the so-called gods of the humans.

The wiki says it well enough.

Religion

Due to their history many charr shun religion. They do not accept any god’s authority and quickly anger on topics of charr worship or manipulation by god-like beings. Charr acknowledge other races’ gods as beings of power but do not see them as something worthy of worship. In the case of the Human Gods, the charr view the deities as beings to fight and strive to kill.

They do not believe in gods, nor do they worship any.

Yes. Atheist is correct.

We at henge do not find that behavior acceptable. I hope he gets banned.

drwookie.6391:

Syphen.1980:

Barab.9016:

The problem with SBI in my opinion, and they are a good WvW server make no doubt about it with good guilds and players, are they are too content being number two whereas ET and JQ aim for number 1.

People still don’t get it. Lets see do I attack a keep that is fully upgraded, has defensive seige and people defending it or do I attack the keep that no one bothered to upgrade, put defensive siege in or upgrade? If you want to keep your stuff defend it. The zerg from point to point capping and not defending days are gone now that it is a weeklong match.

I know last night on SBI borderlands threw themselves at Ascension bay relentlessly rather than pushing east. You were going up against a keep that was fully upgraded, had defensive trebs, mortars, cannons, arrow carts, balistae you name it. you didn’t even bother to try to set up siege when you did cap the supply camp and instead just tried to throw shere numbers at it.

The only reason you took AB last night was because HOD was seiging garrison and we went to defend it instead of staying at AB. You would have never taken AB if we didn’t get hit by HOD at garrison and I can garuntee you that.

I can’t speak for other maps since I only play on SBI borderlands but this is the mentality I have seen from JQQ all week. Ignore HOD completely and push SBI till we are pushed out. The reason we fortified the hell out of AB last night was because franky I am tired of giving you guys any room to brethe whatsoever and you just focusing us. Learn to tak oportunities you are given. Figure out when your not going to take something and either improve your tactics or assault a softer target.

Every night it was the same story on SBI borderlands we would get pushed to garrison by both sides right when we had people start logging for the night. Did JQQ take anything from HOD? newp they blined it for us every time with a vengeance.

Ah well mad props to HOD and less QQ from JQQ

Um now I am not that familiar with gamer slang But my understanding of QQ is like crying and whining right? Correct me if I’m wrong on that.

If I’m right though…you should reread your post and ask yourself….don’t you sound a little whiney? I don’t really know how to properly use it in a sentence but doesn’t your post seem a little, QQish?

Edit. Just FYI I’m staying out of the peakittening. I am on JQ, but arguing/putting each other down in a video game seems like kind of a waste of time and energy to me. I just thought your post was funny.

Edit again: haha I can’t name the animal that wanders around with big bright feathers to show off…it censors it. Well…I meant the male version of a peahen, in verb form.

the origin of QQ comes from Warcraft 3, where to quit the game you would hold alt and press q twice so alt+qq. A lot of times people would ragequit matches by just alt+qq out of the game. so the term QQ more developed.

It has evolved to mean whining or crying, or raging, depending on context and people identify it as looking like crying eyes.

vrgadin.1943:

Dont gloat too much jed, the keep means nothing to us, everything is going the way we want it

Yes we know you just want to tunnel vision hod to try to make us lose, you are in for a rude awakening. not only will you lose, but we won’t.

go to spvp.

and low levels are fine. the difference in stats from gear isn’t that massive to make it a large enough difference. if you are 1v1’ing people in wvw you are doing it wrong.

emoleas.4309:

Just yesterday it was SBI is gonna get stomped because we are inferior.

We prove you wrong in PRIME TIME. This is our servers’ best versus your servers’ best.

We may lose this during our “dead time” because EVERYONE knows we have a dead time… but we have proven every single negative thing wrong that has been said about SBI in the past week.

Idk what you mean your servers best vs our servers best.

More like your servers best vs our servers worst honestly.

Our best aren’t on until offpeak hours, when they can actually get people in, rather than being flooded with pugs. Don’t get me wrong, us pugs try our best, but it’s not the same as when titan is leading. And honestly titan has trouble getting people in at peak hours.

ShadowbaneX.6273:

That is the one thing a Guardian truely lacks. They’ve got Sigil of Swiftness, “Retreat!” & “Save Yourselves!” Those are our sources of Swiftness.

I guess if you want speed too you should look at the Warrior. Guardians aren’t exactly fleet of foot.

With a chocolate omnomberry cream, with just retreat, save yourselves and the staff number 3 skill i can keep swiftness rolling permanently. Without the food i can keep it up almost permanently with like a 3-4 second period without it.