Guild Wars 2

The post you made in reddit and the post above are not the same. Great ideas in the reddit post, honestly!!! Here it reads that you are a mad third grader whose kitten off third grade isn’t like second grade. Bump your original post (the old one here on the WvW forums). I like your ideas. I dislike the approach with this new post.

Naisikras.6573:

Sansarah.3076:

Okey, then first off, let me give you a warning. This game isn’t ideal for solo/small scale type of players, it is much more large scale / zerg oriented, less about skills, more about numbers. I know, as I am a small scale player myself. I’m also a former UO player coming to this game expecting miracles. Yet I am quite disappointed to say the least.

If you still want to continue with the game regardless of this warning, I’ll write up a proper post for you.

Unfortunately, as you know Sansarah, UO’s pvp is still unmatched. But my hunger for pvp has never faded! I have been searching and searching for skill based pvp games and I strongly feel GW2 provides this content.

Just the fact that WvW has such an immense map, gives you the chance for small scale pvp, even 1v1. ( this is my opinion though, I don’t know for a fact ) Even though the ultimate objective relies on large scale assaults, I understand this and I think I am going to stick this one out.

There is plenty of 1v1 action in the lower tier servers and a strong presence of many a excellent 5-10 man teams running on those servers. Granted every server will have the zerg and the zerg will prevail in those matchups. You just tend to be able to move more freely in a less populated server. WvW was designed for the casual in mind so remember numbers will always win out over skill

Braxxus.2904:

Khanswrath.1032:

Ambush holes at every choke point with another ambush hole just meters away….

lol, says the thief. Go fig.

@OP:
Basically what others have said:
Increase the size of the maps, make supply something that can be delivered by hand and lootable (suddenly gives those small/solo players a contribution to the war if they want it besides just random ganking). Make the maps unique, guards meaningful, anything to spread out the zergs, so on and so forth. Remove the stupid JP.

Really most serious wuvwuvers seem to be on the same page about this.

Oh and the most important part:
Remove invisibility, or fix culling.
Or fix stealth (so it’s more like the predator, think about how you see yourself via JP stealth buff, see through and shimmery but not completely invisible.

Wasn’t my original idea I ninja’d it from another thread. Don’t hate on the ambush holes man. One would not have to be a thief to take advantage of a hole from which one were to ambush someone else from.

Signature says it all

Ambush holes at every choke point with another ambush hole just meters away….

Sadly by excluding the other tiers and adding a new map you would only encourage more transfers to the top three tiers thus adding to Que times. Anet has always been fair in allowing EVERYONE access to content regardless of where they decide to be. Imagine you not being able to have access to a fresh new kitten map just “because”

Just give us one pistol and no pants. Maybe then the upped levels will stand a chance. I held off an entire zerg last night with just my smile.

Needs more ambush holes….

You had me at ambush holes……

Bunzy.8674:

I might come to DR

Mother of pearl this intrigues yet frightens me.

Draygo.9473:

Howso?

Player isnt botting, but doing something mundane and stupid, and gets banned for it with the reason as “botting”.

I think that proves the point just fine. And maybe people are going to stop autocasting for great justice in LA now? (please?).

For starters as a player you’re gonna just let your game run in LA auto healing for 3 days never playing or moving just to see what happens? Secondly, this is all based off of a claim Chaster has never reported on the forums until now? (apologies I got tired of reading through his third page of posts so if it’s there then by all means I man up and apologize) Both scenarios are a tough pill to swallow. If you believe em at his word doesn’t mean I have too.

StormWolf.7645:

Just to clarify: I am NOT saying that WM is/is not botting…I’ll leave that to ANET to figure out. My issue is with the insta-ban without any evidence. They paid to play this game same as me and you, do you truly enjoy the idea of being banned without any evidence whatsoever that you did anything? I know people this has happened to, I was with them and we talked a lot in VOIP…and they were banned as bots. Was it repealed?…Yes…but not until 5 days later on average. That’s 5 days of not being able to play the game “Just because”.

Storm I have the utmost respect for 99% of your posts I have read in the past as a competitor matched up against you for now our 10th week. Hopefully you know most if not all my posts are laden with sarcasm and poor humor intended to get a laugh out of at least one person. However there are some pretty serious accusations going on in this thread as well as in the match-up thread FROM BOTH SIDES NOW. We as players have no clue why the ban was dropped right? Yet in his post Shroom clearly points out that the bans were handed down to WM due to and I quote “War Machine is being systematically targeted by a group of people who are willing to violate the code of conduct in order to sabotage another server’s community.” Could those bans be related to something completely different???? I’ve killed WM players and been killed by them, do I think they use a third party program? Honest answer-No. Could they be using one? Honest answer-Yes. Bringing this issue to the public forums has and will only open up more cans of worms.

Draygo.9473:

Chaster was making a point khan.

The point was a player getting banned for botting when the player wasnt botting.

Yes it took 3 days, but thats irrelevent.

It was a horrible point and even one more unbelievable.

Bananasmile.4126:

This is still the internet, people can say or do what they want. Nobody here is 100% sure about what they did or did not do…unless you’re some sort of psychic or you work for Anet. I’m surprised this thread isn’t locked yet as it involves sensitive issues. I would suggest that the OP simply appeal the bans and just remain calm and quiet. This doesn’t help your cause at all. Just to share a story to people who keep saying they know 100% what happened. I remember being in a huge guild once in a different MMO, we all thought our Guild Leader was the best…he got banned for Gold Selling. He denied it (of course). Except that the guy who reported him was his own Officer that used his alt to purchase the gold from said Guild Leader. As time went on, this Officer got booted out of the guild by the Guild Leader due to difference in opinion in running the guild, so the Officer got back at the Guild Leader and reported the Guild Leader for Gold Selling. During this ban, our entire guild erupted with anger for erroneously banning our Guild Leader, little did we know that the transaction actually took place and only a few of us knew of the true story up to this day. I’m not saying something similar has happened here, what I’m saying is, sometimes things aren’t what they seem. This is still the internet. I’m not saying anyone’s guilty, I’m just saying, let the system work…I rather have that than listen to unverified opinions from random players. Just my 2 cents.

I agree with you 100 fold good sir. It amazes me how the story is pretty much already decided in the minds of parties on both sides of the fence.

@Chaster -Who would afk in LA with their healing skill set to auto attack FOR 3 DAYS for fun??? Really? I mean really, you expect me to believe that? Also what’s not to say a guild very similar to yours likes to play the same game and see’s someone in LA in the same spot auto-healing for 3 DAYS. There can only be so much palm to face in that post.

StormWolf.7645:

For those claiming numbers =/= Win: Devona is currently in KBL with about twice the numbers(I believe more, I’m underexaggerating atm, seriously.) that we have. It’s seriously getting old having to be on for ridiculous hours to protect our stuff because there’s NO ONE on to defend against the DR horde.

For those who feel proud of themselves for their “Accomplishments” this night…You’re very sad people. You can be happy because you’re winning…but it’s nothing to brag about taking nearly undefended Towers. -.- It also isn’t “Skill”. Skill was earlier when they broke the outer and inner gates of Hills and got in…Yes we beat them with a meat-grinder, but it was skill and kitten good planning. What’s happening now is…depressing.

Finally got a look at their numbers. They officially have a MINIMUM of 15 times our number on. Sigh. I think I give up on WvW.

Just insert anytime you see DR with Kaineng now and I agree it is depressing

Casual WvW is getting super serial.

Foss.4830:

Khanswrath.1032:

Please take the time to look through a lot of the older posts by a lot of the newer members in this match-up. I see a lot of the same complaints in those older threads that many members of DR and EB are now posting in this current thread. The irony of it is many of the new members of Kain are the ones whom are fed up of all the complaining on the forums. Moving to be competitive I totally understand and have no grievance with but at least show some respect when that decision affects other tiers and throws the balance completely off. A collective decision of 4-5 guilds to move to a server has definitely caused a stir and certainly an imbalance. Any old Kains remember the anger and posts generated from when only 1 fairly decent sized guild moved to DR a few months back?
To make posts complaining about complainers when your older posts have those same complaints in them seems pretty kitten funny to me. Wait….did I just complain about complainers complaining about complaints? help……..me…..

I dont understand why anyone comes on the forums and complains about what other people are doing. Its not gona change anything and in most cases its just disrespectful. Im pretty sure thats not why we create these threads.

Thanks for taking the time to respond and also for validating my point.

Please take the time to look through a lot of the older posts by a lot of the newer members in this match-up. I see a lot of the same complaints in those older threads that many members of DR and EB are now posting in this current thread. The irony of it is many of the new members of Kain are the ones whom are fed up of all the complaining on the forums. Moving to be competitive I totally understand and have no grievance with but at least show some respect when that decision affects other tiers and throws the balance completely off. A collective decision of 4-5 guilds to move to a server has definitely caused a stir and certainly an imbalance. Any old Kains remember the anger and posts generated from when only 1 fairly decent sized guild moved to DR a few months back?
To make posts complaining about complainers when your older posts have those same complaints in them seems pretty kitten funny to me. Wait….did I just complain about complainers complaining about complaints? help……..me…..

Give em Kitten Kaineng!! Good to see a lot of familiar names in the forums but also saddening to see so many that aren’t. This week there seems to be a “death” of many a server and it’s rather depressing. A big Kudos to the few guilds whom stayed on DR and bon voyage to those that didn’t. Don’t really know the politics behind it and also don’t really care. I do care however the elite guilds that have decided to transfer this past week at least stay put for a long while so the rankings can once again balance out and there can be competitive matches once again. Two things that suck the most about WvW to me are lopsided matches and having to wait in a Que. At least now I don’t have to worry about the latter.

Doomdesire.9365:

brogarn.8723:

Aodh.6418:

They will stealth. Either use a long CD utility, their heal, or they will hit you with CnD. Learn to count to 3 because after 3 seconds you’re going to get hit. Here’s the big secret: DODGE. It’s really easy. Press your dodge button on 3 and watch as the thief comes out of stealth and does 0 damage! Now hit him twice and press F stomp him. Congrats, you killed your first thief.

Done. None of that works on P/D thiefs that aren’t glass canons. And the ones that are and have 2 brain cells bouncing around in their heads, will just reset the fight. Plus they can “DODGE” as you put it. Then there’s caltrops. Then they shortbow or whatever away, stealth again and come back at you with full health. Nice try though. I also like how you added your other classes to your sig since you last posted I’m guessing so you can come off as more legit. Whatever. Thiefs need serious work regardless of how much you try to defend them.

Pack condition cures, and learn to dodge cnd. If a p/d is moving up into melee range, he’s going to CnD. Dodge it two and it will be hard for him to recover. Most p/d thieves use wild bill, meaning devourers, scale, and signet of shadows. Few pack utility skills for stealth because the build utilizes venoms(wild bills at least, which is horrible yet 99% of p/d use it.) You also want to dodge his unloads from stealth Use a good dodge keybind, and with decent reaction you should be able to dodge most CnDs, and if you fail but still have endurance, 3/5 unload shots. Do’nt bother trying to dodge his other attacks. Focus on the two i described. That is the ultimate p/d counter.

I’m assuming you mean Sneak Attack and not Unload. Unload requires a P/P weapon set. Also good luck timing the dodge on a Sneak Attack.

I got zerged at least 4 separate occasions last night, maybe 20-80 ppl. I would have won ever single one if they hadn’t portaled on top of me; weren’t ALL thieves playing that kitten BS build or the fact that the downed state prevented me from spiking the last 5-6 that were alive after it was all said and done. Either way once I get my dual Quips it’s over for anyone and everyone I see that’s red. BUBBLES BE POPPIN SOON. Also please ANET ban those legendary defenders, I have it fraps’d multiple times them abusing the invulnerable areas and running some type of 1 shot macro.

Tiglie.5834:

Bunzy.8674:

Tiglie.5834:

Bunzy.8674:

Tiglie.5834:

Would have posted a video of that Bunzy, but noone wants to watch us portal camp you lolololol.

What are you talking about

I’ll just let you rage for the rest of the night after that….premier gank guild, haha. And after those cleaner fights we finally got tonight, I can tell you that any of the small mans from when we were in tier 8 would manhandle you, it’s not even a comparison.

Do you want an even fight or keep running with your zerg?

Haha, nice try Bunzy, you do realize that the entire realm of Devona will see through that statement. we played against them for over a month.

Ahhhh kitten Larp’s on DR now? Imma have to hide my VCR

Let it be known that DR’s winning streak started the same time Khanswrath transferred to DR as well. Not to toot my own horn (gonna anyway), but the sheer fact of my personal destruction of tower walls with flame rams (see signature); my major distraction of ALLOWING the opposition to siege Tombstone me (thus dwindling their supply of siege); my Grub touching to fire up commanders (this ones for you Sir Morningstar) and the strategic use of Norn chest hair to lure some female commanders (not gonna name names) to follow ME around in WvW has had nothing to do with DR’s success. Just wanted to clarify this.

osif.8673:

Khanswrath.1032:

osif.8673:

When I logged in this morning, I had a message accusing one of our members in PAXA of exploiting. The accusation claimed that an Asuran Warrior in PAXA took a tower all by his lonesome using an exploit. I decided to check this out as we only have one Asuran Warrior named “Not Just A Goodtime” in our guild who happens to be level 2 and was still in Wv3 when I logged on. Confused about this message I received, I decided to stealthily follow him around in AR Borderlands to see if he would use the exploit again.

To my amazement, the accusation was correct. He came from the water, shapeshifted into a giant dinosaur like creature, and took a tower by himself in less than 2 minutes. I was lucky enough to get a screenshot of this before he turned on me and proceeded to devour my body in one foul swoop. Appropriate action has been taken. I sent in the screenshot to A-Net with a report. I encourage you to do the same if you see him exploiting this bug as well. I also removed him from the guild and unfriended him on facebook.

If you want to see the sceenshot for yourself, I have attached it to this post.
We at PAXA don’t condone exploiting and hope that a tragedy like this never happens again.

Happy hunting out there fellas.

Not gonna lie that’s a great drawring.

Drawing? I just run on the lowest specs. Everything looks like that.

How do you ever deal with the cullring then? Also I’d like to rename Jon Snowbright to Jon Not Snowbright.

osif.8673:

When I logged in this morning, I had a message accusing one of our members in PAXA of exploiting. The accusation claimed that an Asuran Warrior in PAXA took a tower all by his lonesome using an exploit. I decided to check this out as we only have one Asuran Warrior named “Not Just A Goodtime” in our guild who happens to be level 2 and was still in Wv3 when I logged on. Confused about this message I received, I decided to stealthily follow him around in AR Borderlands to see if he would use the exploit again.

To my amazement, the accusation was correct. He came from the water, shapeshifted into a giant dinosaur like creature, and took a tower by himself in less than 2 minutes. I was lucky enough to get a screenshot of this before he turned on me and proceeded to devour my body in one foul swoop. Appropriate action has been taken. I sent in the screenshot to A-Net with a report. I encourage you to do the same if you see him exploiting this bug as well. I also removed him from the guild and unfriended him on facebook.

If you want to see the sceenshot for yourself, I have attached it to this post.
We at PAXA don’t condone exploiting and hope that a tragedy like this never happens again.

Happy hunting out there fellas.

Not gonna lie that’s a great drawring.

StormWolf.7645:

Khanswrath.1032:

I tried to emote ask last night if you are the Eihenjar’s (spl?) from Rift but all I got was a lot of backstabs and a death. Does anyone know if you create your own emote can the enemy see it (never dawned on me that they maybe couldn’t till just now)?

/emotes read as “Devona’s Rest Invader gestures.” to other Servers.

CURSES……….Some of them were oh so witty too

Oozo.7856:

Some roaming action from AD & BSty. The BSty guys are amazing, IMO. Keep in mind that we aren’t on voice with them, but they pick up on everything and react so quickly.

All the bickering aside, AR and NSP have definitely given us the most fun we’ve had so far. And, that’s what it is all about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=to5Z74wOcqk

As per your videos are fun to watch. I like the fact you’ve showcased holding points; open field engagements and counter siege hits to defend keeps. Definitely not one trick ponies. Keep em coming!

CyberSamurai.1208:

I find it amusing that the accusations are flying back and forth in this thread, so thought I would add my two cents. The “War Lords” of Anvil Rock neither hack, nor condone it. Period. The simplest explanation is probably the correct one, and simply put, if you lose an objective you probably deserved to lose it.

As far as PRO goes, when I lead the train I look for you guys… And I enjoy every minute of it… I especially like the part where you place ram construction over my corpse… Makes me feel special.

We’ve lost some good guilds who didn’t stick around, but WAR is grooming our guys for the future with WvW leveling runs and instance farming… It’s gonna get interesting… Looking forward to the re-match in the future.

Buffalo Bills – Guild Leader, “War Lords” [WAR] (Anvil Rock)

I don’t want to cause a panic or any type of grand alarm but I thought you should know your Medium Whispering Coat has been damaged.
On another note this thread has GOTTEN HEATED and I LIKE IT. Last night by far was the best night of fights for this current match-up in my opinion, at least in EBL. I saw some really excellent siege placement on AR’s part and enjoyed the counter siege scramble. It just seemed AR and NSP were mad and looking to kick some kitten. Anyone from EHJ lurk the forums here? I tried to emote ask last night if you are the Eihenjar’s (spl?) from Rift but all I got was a lot of backstabs and a death. Does anyone know if you create your own emote can the enemy see it (never dawned on me that they maybe couldn’t till just now)? Either way an old MMAC player says hello.
The Golem rush was awesome too NSP and I think you were like 1% away from the inner door going down. If you had brought all 8 Golems at once I doubt we could have countered quick enough.

You guys are all poets and you don’t even know it.

WvW =/= skill. Really.. Again…Seriously…Casual play…Let it Go

Coolmoos.8546:

This thread bores me Same people bickering constantly.

“We’ve been coming to the same party for 12 years, and in no way is that depressing!” On a side note one of your members t kittened me (can we say bagged?) last night in an ill advised 3v1 I put myself in so I’m here to officially say it’s on like Donkey Kong. I’ll be the horrible thief who doesn’t know anything about stealthing yet comes up with very witty emotes (not the /agree junk) when he has downed one of your members 5v1. Prepare for the Wrath. PREPARE.

Hang onto them. You’ll just kick yourself if you throw em away only to have them be used for something in a future patch.

EvilSardine.9635:

I play a level 80 thief as one of my characters. It’s completely OP and needs a fix on the stealth side. The player culling especially is what makes them unkillable if you use a certain build. Completely hilarious when you’re not on the receiving end but it’s sad at the same time how something like this still hasn’t been fixed.

Arenanet, please fix thieves so I don’t feel like I’m using a cheat/god mode when playing WvW.

Go P/P and test just how good a thief you can be. 10 times more fun to dodge roll repeatedly and unload all up in dem faces.

Problem is 9 out of 10 times the 5 on 5 turns into a outnumbered issue at some point on either side. There’s been many times I’ve rushed into 2-4 ppl thinking that was my chance to record some of the most awesome jaw dropping skill clicking videos this game has ever seen only to realize after the fray that 8-9 server mates showed up half way through the battle. One awkward moment last night involved me rolling up on a pretty nice 1v1 way behind Spledan between a member of Os and some server mate of mine. At first I was like HOT KITTEN GOTTA GET ME IN ON THIS, then it hit me maybe these guys are dueling. I asked in /s and got no response so I just backed slowly away from them both, kinda like the time in college when I accidentally rolled up on my roommate and the “big-boned” neighbor girl. Become the wall, become the wall, become the wall………pray they never saw you and maybe if they didn’t it means that memory can be erased in your mind as well.
Basically 5vs5 will always be ruined by some poor slob like me who just happens to be in the wrong kitten place at the wrong kitten time.

Rob.7624:

NSP defending SM.
Commander kills Commander

Looks photo-shopped to me. There is NO WAY a guardian can kill a thief. ANET GET ON THESE BOGUS POSTS PLEASE…….;) Maybe he was just taking a nap? Okay I could buy that one.

Dovgan.8605:

“It wasn’t designed for the Solo one man against the world mentality”.
That’s exactly why people complain about the thief class, it’s the only class in the game that allows for this, D/D eles to a point, but no where as painfully obvious or blatantly so as the thief class.

I’ve seen all the other classes be able to solo other classes very easily and in some situations 1v3. Once again it boils down to a players skill level and their gear. I wasn’t talking about the class in that sentence I was talking about the overall scheme in WvW. If you enjoy running around WvW alone be prepared for that glass cannon thief to be on your back and plan for it. If WvW for you is all about soloing, kittening about another class in an area designed specifically for group play is pretty pointless. I know it sounds crazy but give it some real thought.

To each his own I guess. If one class is going to make you quit this game then you weren’t in this game for the long haul nor have you taken the time to fully understand the potential of any of the other classes at your disposal. I run P/P as a thief and have face rolled other classes/players mainly because they were/are bad or a lower level than myself. WvW is the largest imbalanced area in all of GW2. A level 10 hopping into WvW is just screaming to get destroyed by any class that happens to be a true 80 runed/sigiled/full exotics. Thieves just happen to be able to do it without you seeing them and arguably a little faster. Battlefield awareness and knowing your strengths and weaknesses on the battlefield will only improve your fun in WvW. Do I get kittened when I get caught off-guard and targeted by a glass cannon thief of course I do, but I enjoy it even more when the attack fails and I end up AoEing said cannons SR field only to have a little red arrow pop up on my screen seconds later. Roll a thief to counter a thief is not what I’m saying here either. What I’m saying is before you make a rash decision about any class or your class, get leveled, get geared and know what you are looking to get out of WvW. It wasn’t designed for the Solo one man against the world mentality and if that’s what your after then you really shouldn’t have any input on the design or future of WvW.

Kardiamond.6952:

@Oozo

Elitism much?

You are the usual player, that every matchup thread have each week. The player that think that there server individual player skill is so much greater then the ennemies.

If you are running with a premade guild, for sure you’ll win most fights. 50% of WvW population is pug.

Premade vs pug = pug death.

Since Avil Rock have the best tPvP population in the NA servers, I doubt we are really lacking skill.

I think overall everyone is about equal, we have our bads, we have our pros.

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The thing I think DR stand out of the much is the FOTM players. The PRO guild, each time I fight them, they are like 90% made of DD Thief/Shatter Mesmer/Guardian/DDElem. Seems like your roster I mostly made of the FOTM class/build, and man is it annoying lol.

Can’t I fight some necros? engis?

It the fights time I come to this conclusion, as I usually see every class represented.

Am I just unlucky?

Oozo has always called it as he/she has seen it. I have found his/her assessments to be spot on about our server as a whole and I would in no way call him/her an elitist. There are a few guilds on DR that are filled with exceptional players. With the server population we have it’s very difficult for those guilds and players to stand out as say if they were on a smaller server facing larger numbers. Also don’t take what I’m saying to mean only smaller guilds have the exceptional players either, as I know firsthand PRO has a nasty core base as well as AoD. Those exceptional players however can get lost in the shuffle of a very large guild.

The thing I’ve noticed about both the AR and NSP population has been the large number of Rangers. I may be alone in this observation but it’s felt every other fight I’ve engaged in has been against a Ranger.

Sounds legit to me, I’ve been rocking this out on the lower tiers too. One guy actually stopped and gave me some advice that normal attacks don’t work on walls. I slowly keyboard turned to him and stated "My attacks aren’t “normal”, keyboard turned back to wall and took it the kitten down. Needless to say he was amazed and I gained a fan that day.

RanchDressin.8210:

Now tell me about my future husband.

Well hello there

Cover Girl.2580:

Thiefs are the best support class thanks to the new buffs by anet. they can do anything. I once saw a thief rezzing someone while simultaneously capping a supply camp. while afk.

You’re welcome

Khanswrath solos towers using flame rams on walls (come.get.some). Had tons of videos to link but wife deleted em all (left laptop in the kitchen). So ballin I rezzed a commander of a guild I was kicked out of last night in SFBL, TWICE (silly 100% rep requirement). No one can stop the ball of Zerg DR is about to unleash on every server above us (coming for you Blackgate). Envy and NoQQ (just name droppin now). Hope I made someone chuckle (forums can get to serious). Tiers don’t matter as long as the matches are competitive (lying now it’s all about being #1).

Same.4687:

Absolutely nothing is going to change zerging at all without something else becoming seriously overpowered.
- Upgrading siege damage so that a 50+ zerg should tremble and run in fear would simply make defending too freakishly easy.
- Taking away 5 man AoE cap would mean every server will run with 75% Staff-D/D Ele’s and the other 25% Guardians

ANet had an amazing idea with WvWvW which made all those Realm vs Realm veterans from DAOC and the likes cream their pants. However they simply didn’t think it would have been this big of a hit. I seriously think they were unable to realize that people would become such sheep and run around in groups of 50/60/70 or in the case of Vizunah sometimes even more capping one objective and moving on to the next not worrying about defending any of it.

I’ve said it time and time again, this game had amazing potential but is without a doubt hindered by its limitations. Guild Wars 2 WvWvW had absolutely no chance of becoming a serious competitive environment where skill could create any difference between a small group of highly skilled players and a large group of mediocre/bad players. If interested go through my post history and look for the posts I made regarding this issue.

Guild Wars 2 went for the e-sports level PvP but completely failed. They lack any kind of ladder/ranking system which makes matchups dull and pointless. I for one really really really wanted to see a Guild vs Guild setting but somehow I doubt that will ever the light of day in GW2.

Finally someone who gets it. I also agree with the GvG setting which if any Dev’s are reading would be awesome. It would alleviate a lot of the complaints that are set on these forums. Alternate maps each week, tickets for guilds to purchase to enter tournaments each day or every other day culminating with the top three guilds duking it out on one big free for all deathmatch, rankings, titles etc….. Take all the suggestions/dislikes implement them and ball them into GvG. I also feel they underestimated the popularity of WvW but don’t count out Anet’s ability to implement such changes. They aren’t perfect but the product they put out is pretty kitten amazing imo. I’ll be very curious to see the changes in Feb

Thurbleton.5841:

Khanswrath.1032:

The casual player tends to find zergs easy and effective hence why you see so many. If you’re trying to make WvW into a glamorous end game kitten event for yourself you’re only gonna get disappointed. MAYBE Anet will cave and listen to the enormous amounts of tears about how this game is nothing like <insert any previous mmo with pvp you loved to death> and will modify it to be more similar to said game.

I do 2 organized nights with my guild a week for about an hour and a half. Between that and just running around by myself the 2-3 week stints where servers are locking in tiers is making the matches drag on and after spending a large amount of time on world completion; returning to WvW has made the game starting to get stale for no reason other then I’m not seeing any new changes and its the same thing over and over again.

You may be right and ANet planned this for casuals but they enough WvW oriented guilds on each server who want to play this game instead of something like Planetside 2. Hopefully ANet sees posts like these and can think of something for the enthusiasts and the casuals.

I hear ya and am fully confident Anet will make changes to “liven” up the WvW scene. I just don’t want them catering to EVERY whine they see on the forums. I mean if you look at a majority of the posts and complaints they all center around assumed projections of what people “thought” WvW was gonna be. Four top examples are removing the downed state, PvE gear, siege and fixing the culling/rendering issues. Of those four only culling/rendering make any sense. Most of the complainers want WvW to be the proving ground of 1v1 matches where all that’s involved is skill. They want to be able to 1v5 people and obtain titles to showcase their prowess. That sounds a lot like sPvP to me but then again I am crazy. No one wants PvE in their WvW even though the entire premise behind WvW was to have an area you could go and do both. I for one love being able to kill other players and be able to do my daily. It has something for everyone and it’d be a shame to exclude players in the future because they cater to the one player base(hardcore PvP’ers) that is as fickle as the wind.

There has to be some sort of translation software somewhere on the interwebs that could help this chap out. Either that or this by far is one of the better troll attempts I have seen. Oh kitten I’ll bite and keep on topic. WvW is and was designed for the casual player in mind. The casual player tends to find zergs easy and effective hence why you see so many. If you’re trying to make WvW into a glamorous end game kitten event for yourself you’re only gonna get disappointed. MAYBE Anet will cave and listen to the enormous amounts of tears about how this game is nothing like <insert any previous mmo with pvp you loved to death> and will modify it to be more similar to said game. I for one hope they don’t. They created this game with many differences to previous MMO’s and were proud of it, those differences are what make this game fun and unique. WvW is all about numbers. As much as many players want it to be about skill it isn’t and shouldn’t be.

Themanbat.3206:

Khanswrath.1032:

Wow this thread has it all. We got old friends (Fergs and Kains) stopping in to remind us we still have numbers against them. We’ve got new friends (HoD and SF) reminding us that we have numbers against them. And then we have some cheeky Blackgate fellow who has decided to muck around in the mire of the bottom tier threads to remind us no matter what our numbers are the higher tiers are still better than us in DR.
I for one hope HoD and SF show up and start giving me an opportunity to get into my comfortable zerg ball and hump me some karma trains. Really you are disappointing ole Khans and severely interrupting his ability to casually play the game. I have actually STAYED in SM and farmed Gifts (those toys hurt I just grab the presents and run). I can honestly say I’ve had one excitable fight this entire matchup and of course it got ruined by a zerg ball. I miss the amazians of Kain and the sweet candy loot bags those Envy guys always dropped.
I still chuckle when I see a higher tiered server actually take any kind of interest in us lowly tiers. Higher tiers =/= better players (unless your in T8 then of course we are better than you. I had a video of me soloing 3 Envy mesmers AND 6 NoQQ at the same time to prove my egaming leet pro skilz, but my wife deleted it.

Best. Post. Ever. And before he says anything, shut up Drednyte. He talked about my guild. MY GUILD! XP Kinda flattered you guys are still talking about us though.

And I miss you, like the deserts miss the rain
And I miss you, oh, like the deserts miss the rain
I’d provide a link but I’d have to listen to the whole song and I don’t feel my fragile heart could take it…….

I can’t remove my palm from my face enough…..

Three of us in ODN now have our Unbreakable Choir Bells. Apologies to any annoyance this may cause over the next few nights in WvW, but the bells of war must be rung.

@kreese.9461
I hear what you are saying and you pose great questions.
Each week there is the opportunity for guilds to transfer and sway the balance of some tiers, either good or bad. DR has only experienced fighting BP, Kain and Ferg. I can only speak on my experience fighting Kain’s and Fergs as I moved from CD, but the fights have been intense. You can see that by the score comparisons each week. I for one honestly had no idea what to expect this week (needless to say this wasn’t what I had hoped for). I’ll admit I didn’t do any research or cared to do any on the upcoming match.
I’d assume some people were mad we were in T8 for so long but the fights we had made WvWvW fun. I’d trade 3 servers fairly even any day over one controlling the entire map and could care less about what tier I was in. We don’t get anything for being in a certain tier so really I ask what’s in a tier?
Finally final score isn’t important to me (but I know it is to some). I can’t control where we are placed and how well other servers perform, so why should I let it bother me.
I also don’t know the entire history of HoD but it’s safe to safe the first week matchup “may” have had a competitive tone to it as you did come in 2nd. Either way don’t take this in any way a negative response. I only desired to answer the questions you had posed from my viewpoint.

TLDR- As long as the matches are competitive I could give a kitten what tier we are in.

Wow this thread has it all. We got old friends (Fergs and Kains) stopping in to remind us we still have numbers against them. We’ve got new friends (HoD and SF) reminding us that we have numbers against them. And then we have some cheeky Blackgate fellow who has decided to muck around in the mire of the bottom tier threads to remind us no matter what our numbers are the higher tiers are still better than us in DR.
I for one hope HoD and SF show up and start giving me an opportunity to get into my comfortable zerg ball and hump me some karma trains. Really you are disappointing ole Khans and severely interrupting his ability to casually play the game. I have actually STAYED in SM and farmed Gifts (those toys hurt I just grab the presents and run). I can honestly say I’ve had one excitable fight this entire matchup and of course it got ruined by a zerg ball. I miss the amazians of Kain and the sweet candy loot bags those Envy guys always dropped.
I still chuckle when I see a higher tiered server actually take any kind of interest in us lowly tiers. Higher tiers =/= better players (unless your in T8 then of course we are better than you. I had a video of me soloing 3 Envy mesmers AND 6 NoQQ at the same time to prove my egaming leet pro skilz, but my wife deleted it.